If you believe in in this, you should believe in Islam. This is exactly what Islam says.

justcool:

May I bring it to your knowledge that father Christmas -- Santa clause-- actually existed.  Although today we attribute so many things to him in other to entertain kids but the fact remains that Santa clause once lived in Europe. He used to send presents to kids on Christmas. I am glad that you mentioned father Christmas, Jesus today could be likened to father Christmas. Both have so many impossible things attributed to them but it doesn't mean that they never existed. To say that they never existed is like throwing away the bath with the child. After bathing a child, you keep the child and throw away the bath water. Likewise after considering the issue, you should separate the myth from that actual man. You don't discard everything because of some myths associated with it. The History channel today presented a program about Pontus Pilate. I am happy that in your last post you acknowledged that he existed. His birth was recorded, everything about him was recorded and comfirms his recorded dealings in the bible. The bible said he was the roman governor of Judea -- history comfired it. Here we see a person in the life of Christ completely confirmed by history.




Yes Santa Claus(saint Nicolas) once existed! Santa means saint in spanish, and claus is an abrivation of Nicolas. I leave you to do the research yourself. Also remember, I never claimed to have convincing evidence based on historical records and archaeological excavations that Jesus existed. My argument is that you cannot prove otherwise either. Therefore it boils down to using your commonsense or your intuitive perception. There as as much logical facts to support that He existed as much as there are to support that He never existed. I have said earlier that in issues like this, mare logical reasoning will not lead us any where. Therefore accept that your conclusion on this issue is completely your choice. You chose to believe the logic that Jesus never existed. The Christian chose to accept it. Since neither of you can show any concrete prof, neither of you have the right to mock the other. In court they use the slogan: "beyond any reasonable doubt." This is the measure for the court. Now apply the same to this issue. His existence has been proved beyond any reasonable doubt of the Christians. Therefore they are not fools to accept His existence. His existence has not been proved beyond any reasonable doubt of you (sun-god). Therefore he has chosses reject His existence. Every individual (likewise every Jury or judge) has the right to decide what is a reasonable doubt to him/her and what is not. That's why people re-apeal their cases to different courts and judges. But every individual is responsible for what he accepts to believe and what he refuses to believe.



Obviously their is similarity in between the Jesus story and the ancient mythology. But this does not mean that Jesus never existed. Peharps, the early Christians, in their quest to win pagan converts, introduced so many things that the pagans would respect and fear to the personality of Jesus who was already dead at that time. The ancient Romans claimed that Julius ceaser's father was a lion (myth), this made the superstitious Romans to fear and respect Caesar. Such superstitious people will not accept a God or a son of God born by a human father; hence, in other to win the Romans and in other to place Jesus higher than Caesar in the hearts of Romans, the early Christians started the notion that Jesus didn't have a human father. Of course you and I know that this is impossible. But it doesn't mean that Jesus never existed.
Also it is understandable that the early Christians had a hard time telling people that they(the Christians) denied Jesus and allowed the son of their God to be crucified. Thus they had a hard time facing their own cowardice and betrayal. In their quest to hide their cowardice/betrayal  and win converts they invented the idea that it was Gods plan that Jesus should be crucified.

All these fantasies attributed to Jesus does not mean that Jesus never existed. Up till today people still attach fantastic ideas to their gods. Go and tell any Rastafarian that emperor Haily Selassie of Ethiopia(Rastas believe he is God) is dead. They will laugh at you and tell you that he cannot die. They claim that as a child Haily Selassie painted a picture of a bird which imediately became alive and flew off the page. They circulated such rumors even while Halie Selassie was still alive and despite the fact that Halie Selassie made so many speeches telling people that he was not God yet the rasters refused to listen. Poor angry black sons of slaves were too disgusted with whites and their god that they(the rasters) invented their own god and atrributed it to the person of Halie Selassie (a powerful black king), who they can relate to and whose image would easily win black converts. Perhaps a similar thing happend with the early Christians.

Beyond all these fantasies there is, was, and will ever remain the savior called Jesus, who is of Devine origin. He didn't save the world by His death (such thing are fantasies invented by men) He saves by His words which is the PURE TRUTH. My dear sun god Search for the true Jesus. Don't base your judgement of Him only on the bible, a book written by man. I personally found the true Jesus in a book called In The Light of Truth: The Grail Message by ABD-RU-SHIN. I advise you to read this book.

Sun lord is using logic backed with proofs. Christians should be more tolerant and use logic to counter his arguments. After all, every body likes to be on the right track.

ziontrain: Fellow Nairalanders,

Why do you bother engaging with losers in unprofitable arguments. Abeg ignore this Sun god and let him rot in hell if that is what he wants. No use trying to convince a cynic. When he dies he will find out albeit too late that Jesus really exists. Let him talk all the trash he wants to talk here. Answering him is like giving him recognition. I think he should just be ignored.

I find the story of Noah unrealistic. On the other hand, believers will always tend to say that God had helped his Prophet to make it happen. They are not bothered weather logical or not; God is able to do anything he wants, even a virgin birth! Although I am a Muslim, I find the reasoning of the Atheist more rational and convincing. Nevertheless, we are in the age of science and technology, we have not addressed the most fundamental question regarding the Origion of the creation of the universe so far. Therefore, until that time comes, I am afraid many conservative people will have to resort to superficial and religious believes in order to guarantee a place in Paradise after death if there is one. By doing this, a peaceful feeling seems to prevail among most religious people. .