rationalmind:

Im only saying if we accept the dudes definition of God not knowing the actual choices we make, it automatically makes him not omnipotent.

rationalmind:

Something just occurred to me, don't know if I'm wrong.

If God doesn't know the actual choices we will make, doesn't that mean he isn't omnipotent?

That is, he doesn't have the power to know all things

rationalmind:

What is tiring is repeating what has been refuted in different ways

rationalmind:

I've answered this question of urs already. You asked before n I answered. I won't repeat myself.

Image123:

i know you did, you said He is not. So God is not in your laptop or pocket, yet He is omnipresent. Does that make sense?

It makes sense to me BTW, i'm askin you.

rationalmind:

You didn't read my reply. If u did, I said, there is no such thing as God. He is not omnipresent neither is he omnianything.

nwuyag:

I am actually wasting my time
*smh*

rationalmind:

So sad you just realised. I stopped replying when I noticed its a waste of time discussing with these folks

nwuyag:

what was the accusation?

You ve ran around in a way that I don't understand you anymore. I think your answer is yes.

Which means this world is a joke. If we are actually living with God rules, its definitely not worth living.

I said in the op that I was discussing this with someone(a xtian). When this passed my mind and I came up with it. it changed the whole topic and if you are the thinking type, it will actually change your orientation to so many things. Its only if you pretend to yourself that this topic is not important.

Infact, let me confess to you, many bible stories/verses seem crazy to me or anyone as far as an omniscent God is concerned

and as far as God made everything both good and bad. I ve said this before;

nwuyag:
@ kabieosi.
I don't even know what your base is actually. whether yes or no.

I am not a xtian, but I m surrounded by xtians and get into conversations.

But I hope you got my point

nwuyag:

Just be open minded for once and focus on just the op.

I am yet to actually see where God is said to be omniscient in the bible.

The example you gave is not what we are talking about. Words can be used as a figure of speech or be used in other forms but their original attributes remain the same. I actually don't know why you are taking me round and round.
There is nothing more simple than this;

An omniscient one must know man's final destination. You are only playing on your intellect, not mine.

You are not talking to a kid, so you cannot just bring up another contradictory definition just to suit the same word and expect me to believe it.

Stop that please!

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Uyi Iredia:

Nice pount from alcuin.

9jadelta:

if god is not all knowing, then he is no different from mortal man.
they say, god knows the end from the beginning which totally contradicts this post.
god knows everything means No 50/50 probability
unelse u r saying, god is not perfect and only does things on random probability

nwuyag:

@ kabieosi and alcuin,
what is your answer to the op?
You guys are quoting what I dont really understand

alcuin:

It's funny how many professed Christians who sincerely believe they know everything keep on perambulating about the question.

A very simple question, I must say but it smacks at the very root of religions and atheism.

While I do not profess to know it all, I believe I can air my opinion in this case.

Fact 1: Man has Freewill. Depending on his choice of action, he is subject to the consequences, whether pleasurable or not. The World rests on a system of laws that always make it so. That's just the way it is. The concepts of good and evil are relative. In the universal sense, it is just action and reaction. Only man ascribes what we refer as good or otherwise to it.

Fact 2: God is Omniscient. Omniscience does not mean all-knowing as it is conventionally believed.

So, God does not know, as a matter of certainty if you will go to hell or not.

By Omniscience, it means no matter what develops out of Creation, no matter of choice you make as an individual, it has already been anticipated and a provision has been designed for it. So, Omniscience of God lies in his providence in all known and unknown, all existent and non existent probability. He has made provisions for that. It is His Creation, so He knows all possibilities. BUT, the exact choice that a man follows, is solely dependent on himself and God does not know what it will be and, in any case, He has also made provision for that.

The implication of this is that, God is impersonal. He doesn't disturb himself with your individual choices, failures, beliefs etc. The system of laws He design for Creation takes care of all that to the finest detail.

Before you ask, remember that all human knowledge or inventions cannot account for 0.1% of the possibilities inherent in Creation Itself, as designed by God. All these possibilities are known to Him alone and He has made provision should any case, mankind in general or man as an individual, tour the path of any.

GOD ALONE IS WISE.

Thanks.....never meant it to be a long post. Sorry.

rationalmind:

There is absolutely no reason for me to lie about that.

Yea, was trying to learn perl on my own recently but stopped along the line.

Didn't really do much of programming in school.( Just C n Assembly language)

rationalmind:

Anyway, I'm studying Computer Engineering n in my finals.

rationalmind:

What is there to reply? What has my personal details gotten to do with the question?

Image123:

You're bein unfair in the sense that your context of omniscience(or anything OMNI if i may so say) does not align with the Bible's context and concept.

i doubt that the Bible states that God knows everything BTW. i'm open to learning though.

nwuyag:
twaz a mixup.
did you get my point correctly?
I think rationalmind got it well.
What's the diference between purnishment and consequence and how does it affect my question?

rationalmind:

You are living in a world of delusions.

So, yahweh created people out of their wish, gave them freewill to choose what they want

but will punish them for exercising the freewill he gave them

nwuyag:

good point here, I never even thought about that.

Idi Amin:

It's a pity. Looking at the picture, I wonder how the fire got to that level without any attempt to put it out.

I'm also wondering what is taking Seun so long to review membersip on nairaland

because I'm tired of silly comments here

rationalmind:

How do we reconcile the concept of ominiscience with your answer?

Image123:

@OP
Your title is grammar flawed, i think i understand your question though.

Answer- No.
Happier now?

rationalmind:

That's the one million dollar question no one has been able to answer. You can see as doubleDx hopelessly tries to answer.

stexsy:

I came across a wirte up today on the internet which suggest that the centurion in the scripture was a gay,

according to the write up, the man was sleeping with his male servant that was why his well being was of much interest to him.

Pls how true is this?

nwuyag:

9jadelta:

^
he created them anyway?

aint that a foolish thing to do?

its like saying, I want to build this robot, though i already know this robot, will be defective

or become super intelligent that it would go against all the rules and codes I put into it,

and I wouldnt have a choice than to destroy its panel in lake of fire forever.

what is point of creating the point of creating such robot in the first place if not wickedness?

Kabieosi:

Yes He does - He knows those that will be destroyed,

etunoman76:

Sir, whats the point you are trying to make?