@ayandiran,

You didnt have credit card or what? and you didnt have a battery for your phone?

O boy, you dey confuse people o with this your kind of kings english!!!

chai

drop that person in a fast and furious manner, as if you were dropping hot charcoal.

@Macgreat

yeah right, now she wants things in the GLR, Graduate Level Relationship

@neelsel

with the way you describe the situation, its either you were too nosy or something else was the problem.

Besides since they were working "over-time", then it should be no new piece of info.

The way we are going, methinks, Nigeria is in the process of going to be a failed state.


true talk Mamajana,

The Failure of Nigeria is the Failure of its people. There are 140million Nigerians(if we approximate). The number of policemen plus the number of politicians plus the army plus the navy and all such others are definitely not up to half of 140million. We cant be sure if we say the totality is 10million. We might even reduce on that number.

Now, if a small number of mugus are leading a pack of people astray, methinks the mugus are not the problem, its the people who are just plain stupid or have another kinda problem which is still in state undefined.

TELL ME, WONDERS WILL NEVER END.
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globalaid:

nothing special there my friend. longest time the police has been against nigerian people and it is okay if they can be thought some few lesson.

You know sometimes im tempted to feel happy especially when i hear such news happening to the police. This is because as you said, its been a long time that the Nigerian police have been against the Nigerian people.

Honestly, I think all of them need training. Serious one. The majority of them even need to be fired, coz i believe they dont know their job.

They way they tuck-in their uniform is a testimony that they dont kknow what it means to be a policeman. Forget the money they collect as bribe. The only thing I know the Nigerian police are good at is harassing and embarassing people, especially the ones that call themselves strip and search. Sometime last year, a friend of mine narrated his ordeal, how his laptop(which he had been using for almost 2-years) was collected by strip and search policemen at CMS bus-stop. He was asked to go home and bring the receipt. He asked his companion, a girl to wait with the policemen at CMS while he rushed to get the receipt. Because of the early morning traffic, etc, going back somewhere in Ikeja, he couldnt make it back in time. On the way back to CMS, the girl called him to say that the police were leaving in their fire-for-fire vehicle and that he(my friend) should bring the receipt to a particular police-station in VI or somewhere, i dunno.

The long story cut short is that till today, those policemen could not be found. He told me he went to the particular station, but that the officers he met their denied knowing any of such strip and search officers.

One stopped me on my way to work one morinng and asked where im going, informing me that hes a strip and search officer. So i introduced myself and said im going to work. I even showed him my ID Card. Guess the next thing he asks: "how much is your salary? show me your letter of employment." I was so dumbfounded, it was as if I wanted to vomit. I looked at him and asked him and his colleague and had to ask if they were armed robbers. So he replied, "are you calling me an armed robber? do you know I am a policeman?" I raised my voice and hammered him the same question again, until their superior came to sort out the issue. Guess what, the superior apologized and asked me to go my way and I overhead him instructing the other useless officer "see, learn how to talk. you shouldnt be asking someone about his salary"
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Early in the morning, they constitute a worse traffic jam than the actual hold up itself. Sometime last Nov, I stood and observed the ones who stand near the junction near to my house one morning. It was a project which i had wanted to carry out for a long time. I watched these useless human beings in uniform disturbing innocent passerbys early in the morning for about 4hours. I was there 7am and left there about some minutes to 12noon. THey didnt arrest anybody, they asked countless number of people to open their bags, remove their belt, remove their shoes etc., and nothing of whatever they were looking for was found. THe worst was the yabees coming from Agberos, bus-drivers and people passing by. A whole lot of arguments took place as they delayed people driving to work with open your boot, your particulars, engine number verification - at totally useless and unorganized waste of effort.

As i observeed, i thought within my mind: if truly armed robbers had planned to pass that way, with the way these 20-naira boys displayed themselves like a huge signboard on the street, wont the armed robbers(or whoever was in possession of something dubios) think it wiser to take another route? The thought crossed my mind of how gangsters pounced on their prey and riddled them with amunition. These policeofficers had their eyes on every person passing the street. They were totally unaware of their own surroundings.

and this is what happens at various junctions in Lagos everyday. Perhaps I would conduct a more thorough research. I plan to shoot videos of these useless individuals in operation in different places in lagos. I plan to upload such on Youtube - Nigerian police in action, or perhaps it might be aired on TV stations.

Im not a policeman, but if I were in their shoes, I can count a 101 ways to be more efficient and productive.

They should change their name from:

[size=15pt]Operation Fire for Fire[/size]

to

[size=15pt]Operation Twenty Naira.[/size]

Reverend:

Still does not make 419 right.

Sometimes things have to be burned to the ground before they can grow healthily again. An atomic bomb dropped on Iraq would solve allot of the current problems with controlling the different factions

An atomic bomb dropped on Iraq?

did you think about the lives that will be lost in the process, the innocent generations that will be turned to ashes?
you are not a serious person, and perhaps you want the same thing for Nigeria.

See, it will never happen. The U.S cannot even take over itself, talk less of Nigeria.

Let me say it this way: America cannot invade Nigeria. They cant make succeed on that note.

I wouldn't use the word SERIOUS with the generality of the Nigerian attitude to their faith.

Perhaps it will be right to say that just as there is so much truth, there is so much error and those perpetratiing such errors box it up with a lot of things to make it look like the truth. For the fact that a lot of people cant read in between the lines and are looking for short-cuts to get out of poverty, they do whatever they are told to do, hoping that some miracle will happen, which hasnt and never will.

with the little of the Bible I can say I have in my skull,

what I believe is this:
GOD NEVER LEADS ASTRAY

see, forget about marriage for 1-minute.

In the Nigeria of today, is there any Nigerian, old or young, man or woman, that God is not leading. No. In fact, with all the confusion in this country, isnt God still leading everybody? Yes or No?

- Those carrying all the money and stashing it abroad can still pray and dance and speak in tongues and they can prove to you that God is still leading them.

- the Agbero and his driver can prove to you that God is leading them if you decide not to pay in the bus.

- those hoarding fuel at present are led by God.

- the church pastor who preaches nothing but prosperity is also led by God. He might commit adultery on saturday night but he will still be led by God to preach a powerful message on Sunday. Ignorant and God-led members will also sit in the congregation, and since they don't pray themselves, they can't see through the man talking on the pew.

- i heard about a church(i wont mention the name here) where the choir master was said to be - in the process of conducting the choir during the service makes hand-signals to a choir-sister he fancies, with whom he wanted to make out at the back of the altar. Definitely God is leading both of them - even to be making out in the church.

- and when a brother and sister terribly lusting after each other finally do the deed, I heard of a story of how a sister in a church was pregnant for a brother in the same church, and how they went to plan their God-is-leading-us story, then came to the congregation to give them them gist of how God has been leading them to each other, and their story fitted into each other better than a completed-puzzle, with all the accompanying visions, dreams and everything, because it was well thought out - and they wanted to get the marriage overwith before the stomach starts bulging, and while in the process they were asked to go for a blood test, only for the results to come out in addition that the lady was preggy. It would have been better if they came up front and said we have done it o, we want to get married, but they were bullshitting God-is-leading-us and everyone was falling.

- a news about some people who committed suicide in the US some years ago, wasnt God leading them?

- who is God not leading today. Wasnt it God that was leading Pastor King into Sodomy? burning people alive, with his members prancing around naked in his house. Ask him and he'll give you the accompanying verses especially in the book of Revelations.

Please don't allow anyone to bull-shit you about God is leading me. There is no pastor in any church that is not a human being. Regardless of spiritual experiences, mind you he/she will still make a judgment, an assumption or a conclusion based on his/her mere common-sense, and note that the usefulness of this common-sense varies. The demand is on you to go verify yourself regardless of what you have heard.

When a pastor begins to become match-maker in the church, and says to a sister, for example, that God is leading him(the pastor) to wed the sister to a brother out of the blues, about whom she has no clue, no information, and she, foolishly decides to 'obey her father in the Lord', without going down on her knees to find things out for herself, then later when she finds out that white is not white, not even grey but black, she begins to cry? whose fault? its her fault, because she listened to the advice of her pastor rather than listened to the voice of God. Even the Bible itself says "Search the Scriptures, for in them ye have eternal life".

You can tell me what you read in John 3:16, but the responsibility remains on me to go find out and cross check if you quoted it properly and explained it as it should be explained. Its my life that im living, so why should i base it on your advice without me doing a cross-checking. If you were right after all, then fine and good, but if not, God wont agree with me if I saw you are solely responsible for my downfall. It takes two to tango. Someone tells a lie and another believes it.

I see it as plain stupidity on the part of those who fall victim, because see, how many of our grandparents(who didnt have 1/10 of the exposure, information, knowledge we have today) were foolishly led by God into the erroneus doctrinal whatever and pityful marital situations prevalent in our societies today. They have happy stories to tell of their marital lives, whichever way it started out, even without reading half of the Bible that we have read today. Thats even if they knew how to read in the first place.

Be it marriage issues, business, a plan or agreement, when someone begins to yarn God-is-leading-me, the first thing I do is to take my Bible and use it to cut across the situation at hand. If it doesnt fit, ill stick to my Bible and let whoever was led anywhere continue in his own leadership direction.

like one of the posters said, that some people say:
- God is leading me to smile at you,
-God is leading me to love you,
-God is leading me to call you
Fine. Accepted that God is leading you to smile at me. Fine, smile first and from the way you smile, i can tell that God is leading you. Smile pass smile o. Many smiles have hidden motives - that one is not a God-lead smile. Love with a hidden agenda is not God-lead anything. THat one is devil motivated.

I wont be surprised but see, when somepeople land in hell, gbam like this, they might just say that it was God who led them there.

As i said when I started, GOD DOESNT LEAD ASTRAY. THERE HAS BEEN NO MAN WHO CAN SAY WITH ALL PROOF THAT GOD LEAD HIM/HER ASTRAY. If the direction of your leading is contrary to Gods word, there is only one conclusion: YOU ARE DECEIVING YOURSELF. For the fact that many people don't read, don't set aside time to study and understand on a personal basis this B-I-B-L-E, they take whatever comes their way.

IF YOU DONT STAND FOR SOMETHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING.

God cannot lead you to someone you don't love. If truly it is Gods will, he will make a way in the wilderness of Love - the Love will come naturally and you wont have to work hard and kill yourself looking for it.



Storms come and go and a lot of things get washed away in the process. The mountain that has been standing for years is not by mistake. Its because it has a solid foundation. It is the aspect of this solid-Christian foundation that is missing in many 'Christian-professing congregations today'.

Yes, God still leads His people today. Note: 'His people', not everybody. I've heard many exciting testimonies of people genuinely led by God in various areas of marriage, before and after, and such testimonies are encouraging. One thing I found common in all of them is that such people were totally surrendered, ready to do Gods will. It was a "none of me and all of Thee issue". Today what we have is the "some of me and some of thee" relationship with God and manytimes, some people claim that they are lead by God while they are actually leading themselves.

On the other side of the resounding testimonies, there abound sorry tales. After this pastor had 5-children with his first wife, I heard how he claimed God led him into this first marriage(with accompanying spiritual proof together with his wife), and then out of it(the first marriage) and into another marriage. According to him, he was to begin a new missionary work, which he couldnt begin with his first family. In fact he even said God told him categorically to abandon his first family - for the purpose of this 'all new missionary work'. See how people turn things upside down. The conclusion is that God made a mistake at first. Even the first wife and her grown up kids couldnt understand the revelation. The tale cut short - he never began the ministry and the second wife left him after 2years.

Example: if you hear that some rioters are operating on the street where your house is located, you dont need to pray to know the will of God on whether to hide yourself from danger or not. There is no Bible-record of Joseph kneeling before Potiphars wife and praying, seeking the will of God on whether to run away from her temptations or stay and ask for grace to overcome.

I rest my case!!!

If it doesnt happen in Redeemed Christian CHurch, does it mean that the practice of kissing your bride to be, before your wedding plan/date is right or wrong?

Can you compare the level, intensity and nature of kissing that a bride and groom engage in, in CHurch before their parents, the church congregation and before witnesses, overflowing with blessings, joy and prayers, with the kind of kissing that usually results in unwanted pregancies out of wedlock?

That is why the pregnancies are called unwanted: because the kissing was not planned. There were no prayers and blessings involved. It was lustfully done, usually in quiet, dark places, for which testimonies about the kiss cannot be shared with and boasted about in the public.

What im trying to say is: whether or not the statement is an RCCG practice, doesnt approve or negate the statement as part of the marriage ceremony. How many of such ceremonies took place in the days of our great and grand-fathers? And if ull be getting married in the RCCG, there would be no remorse from the congregation if you ask for a special permission to kiss your bride in front of the whole church - at least for that golden photo shoot, with the altar as a background.

I am also trying to say that there are many other things, more important and vital im a marriage than the aspect of wedding day: you may now kiss the bride. Such things could be more focused on.

Reverend:

"If God is all-powerful and all-good, it would have created a universe with no suffering and no evil. But, evil and suffering exist. Therefore God does not exist, is not all-powerful or is not benevolent. Attempts to justify the existence of evil are called theodicies. There are no fully working theodicies, even popular ones such as the free will theodicy were rejected thousands of years ago for reasons that still stand today. It seems that if there is a god, it is not the all-good moral being that classical religions would have us believe"

"I argue that God is a result of Human desire, Human needs and Human projection and that these explain even the personal experience of God more rationally than the conclusion that God really exists. Firstly, I highlight how we know some people have false experiences. Secondly, I list some particular characters traits and causes of God experiences. I conclude that it is not necessary for a God to exist in order to explain why people believe in one."

@Reverend
Pls and kindly include the authors of your quotes in your next post, or where you did a C&P from.

heres what I have to say:
- God in Genesis created a world without suffering and evil. The Bible tells us "everything was very good". He made man in His own image and gave him a free-will to decide what to do. He put man in a garden and gave him just one instruction on what not to do, yet this man disobeyed, and so evil, pain and hatred spread more and more with every child born into his generation.

No one teaches children deceit, no one teaches them to lie. There is no formal training to do evil. Its the powerlessness and lack of self determination in man to choose good that has made this world what it is today.

Has the author of your first quote found someone, a being who is more benevolent and all-powerful more than God? Where is the proof. Has there been a contest between the two? who was the judge?

If he(the author) hasnt found one yet, he has sorely deceived himself and such deception is usually worse than somene been decieved by someone else.

@babyosisi

babyosisi:

Oh dear,I'm beginning to sound like a marriage counsellor!!!

I think you could make a good Marriage Counsellor on NL.
besides, i usually take a deep breath especially when peeps begin their sentences with:

We have to always compare scripture with scripture.

I remember as a kid, one of our chaplains use to have such a line in his introduction. And whenever he begins, we know say 'e don finish for the whole day' coz its only by the grace of God that the sermon will come to an end.

its all good!!

if only God had answered his prayer!!!!

iamhe:

You complete fool! ROTF! Wow I can't fool you at all, you COLUMBO you! Yes it's true I AM HE, is really Israel Malik Esters ROTF! Can't get one pass you can I rotf! You know I thought it was enough that you dumb christians see demons everywhere ( a smoking demon, a gambling demon, a sex demon, a lying demon, a playing monopoly demon) but you have taken it to the next level, woth you conspiracy theory about who I am. Why don't you take your stupid simple minded self somewhere and go speak in tongues or something. ROTF! For the record dummie I AM HE, but I am NOT Fr. Israel, ROTF! What a idiot you are, really.

Old things passed away? is this how all things become new?

hey Tri,
on the Pastor note, sorry if you were pissed: in Nigeria, as long as you have something to say, you are a Pastor.

and in/for whatever one is engaged in, he/she can be called the Chairman of the occasion.

Just like I can say you are the Chairman/woman of this Thread.

So honestly, i wasnt dissn you on that one.

I'm quite interested in your views on the Fornication and Pre-M stuff. its kind of bringing out a new philosophy which im seeing to be applicable to other things / areas of life besides Fornication and Pre-M.

hey Trini_girl, don't mind all these peeps.

hey guys, cut the crap and the dissings here and there. why condemn someone to hell because of an opinion.

[center]PLEASE CAN WE HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION, AT LEAST FOR ONCE!!![/center]

please trini_girl, on a more serious note: I seek to understand something from all that has been said on this thread, here is the conclusion of the matter. Please kindly clear your mind of all that has been said. Can we discuss?

thanks.

Please Trini, kindly correct me on these any of these issues and clarify as needed:
You are saying:
1) Fornication is not Premarital Sex, and vice-versa. This is because Pre-Marital Sex includes the element if understanding and commitment towards marriage (between the couple).
like you said earlier:

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

Well said. And you agree that:
2) Pre-Marital sex is not a sin. Ok, fine.

With the above taken, i can define Fornication as:
- That Fornication is the sexual act between two people(male and female) who are not interested or committed towards each other for the purpose of marriage.
and
3) You also agree that Fornication is a Sin.


Ok. my question is with regards to an observation which I have made, especially in the society:
- put yourself in the shoes of someone trying to advice a pregnant girl. She(the girl) is a graduating secondary school student and  pregnant for a boy- student like herself. As far as the marriage idea/agreement wasnt in the picture during the sexual act, then we can say they both committed fornication. Right. And what they did was wrong.

Case:
The family of the girl will not abort the child, neither will they allow the shame of an acknowledged child in the family, because it will destroy the family image. Its usually the female side of the story that bears the brunt of the whole issue. See, the kids can hardly take care of themselves, talk less of a baby. They still have a future which is about to be ruined if the wrong decision is taken. So the families(especially that of the girl) agree: so as not to bring shame to the family anymore, so as to preserve the life of the unborn child, therefore, they rally round and mount pressure until they are heeded to(by the family of the boy). The resolve is that the boy, under any and/or all condition MUST marry the girl before the baby is born.

In the light of the suppositions(right or wrong) on Pre-marital sex and Fornication as detailed above, the conclusion of the matter is that the boy and girl did nothing absolutely wrong, since they ended up getting married, the only difference was it was by force.

SO to put it right, fornication could turn out to become an approximate of pre-marital sex.
The sin would not be a sin anymore if the fonicating couple get married.

In addition, what would we make of Adultery: If a man is planning to leave his present wife, as long as he has agreed with the other woman on marriage, can they have sex?

what do you have to say about this!!!

damadsuite:

I think it is a wise idea for successful e-commerce and e-business netpreneur to support their dying Nigeria citizens on how they can earn a living online. From my experience, I know living on the internet is very possible and very easy for hard working individuals. Please let all those who have been earning money online post their records live here! We mean real facts,

Too many successful e-people on this forum, but almost no proof and encouragement for Nairalanders. We all need proofs.



Please post your facts

You are not a very serious person o. If you are a serious person, you would be asking more serious questions like: " what and what can i do to start-up my online bizness" - rather than asking for proofs of someone else's success.

What will the success records of others do for you? why ask for their bank account screen-shot details, will it give you the business ideas that you need to get yourself started. Instead of you to sit down, take a pen and paper and get yourself into serious brain-storming. You have been informed it is possible to make money online, so what the heck. Rather than looking for bank records, go make your own money first. If you succeed, fine, if not, then forget it.

You talk as if you have some idea you want to practice on some information you hope to gather by whateva pay-pal account screenshots you are looking for.

Hope this wont be another 419 issue

@all - BEWARE!!!

@goodguy

well said

mrmayor:

I think that the shouting and screaming in unique to Made In Nigeria Churches,no offense intended

My view is that some people just dont understand the Bible. Jesus said: our father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name. When he was calling Lazarus from the grave, it was: Lazarus, come forth.

Manytimes, I wonder where the element of Faith disappeared to when some "believers" shout and scream in their prayers. Fine, one might be in a desperate situation, but all the members of the church can-never be in a desperate situation all at the same time. The God that hears me when I pray in my mind without saying anything out doesnt need to be shouted at before He hears. Its all a matter of what is in vogue these days and because many people are confused, they prefer to follow errors.

@Pomoh

what are you trying to blow?

trini_girl:

wannabegood and simba,

I have read what you consider contributions to my post "Pre Marital Sex is Not Fornication"

I am constantly amazed how some asinine closed minded Nigerian men like yourself cannot express your opinion with digressing to attempted insult.

But I do not blame you. It is all you know.

My salvation is for no one to judge but God. I stand by my view on pre marital sex and fornication, and I am NOT ashamed.

I don't have to prove anything to anyone, especially boys with neanderthal mentalies like yours. In fact, unless both of you are virgins, you are just like the other chauvanists who hide behind the Bible, big foolish hypocrites!

This thread came out of ongoing discussions with mature, intelligent people on this forum.

Please, pay the cyber cafe internet fee for your time and go back to driving your motorbike taxis, and let the intelligent folk that Nigeria are well known for express themselves in like manner.

Idiots!

I do not think I insulted you madam, and why did you have to rain-down the above.

I had asked for your definition of fornication coz after reading and comparing your last thread on the fornication issue with this one on, it seems to me the two are on opposite sides of the fence if one is to take either of the two discussions seriously-at least with a grain of salt.

@Trini_girl

not too surprised at you and your stance on the fornication issue - even though you didnt answer my questions in the last post.

I just wanted to ask two questions:
1) what church do you attend
2) do the members of your church have the same opinion on this fornication issue as you do? what kind of Bible doctrines does your pastor preach!!

i think those "let my enemies die by fire" are the Mountain of Fire Peoples.

There is one church near my house and its becoming a pain in my ass. Why? because these peeps pray from 1am to 12noon every day. Ive been making my observations for the past 2-months now.

My question is: does it mean all the members of the church are jobless, since they have to pray 7days a week from 1am till 12noon?

Besides some of these prayer requests are weird. Fire everywhere.
- they bind by fire
- they loose by fire
- they chase their enemies with fire
- they destroy with fire

maybe thats why a whole lot of houses just catch fire especially in lagos state.

First fruit ko, first fruit ni,

that pastor should have called it first mango - not first fruit.

how about last fruit.

why are you so interested in where Sadaam is?

will his present location change your own destination? do you know where you are going if you die now?

thank you pastor!!!

pls can you tell me how your God defines FORNICATION?

@Trini_girl

Greetings!

It is my belief that pre-marital sex is different from fornication. The verb "to fornicate" is derived from the Greek word
korinthiazomai,a word which was derived from the city of Corinth, where promiscuity and sexual immorality abounded like no where else and the corinthians worshipped the goddess of love (eros), Aphrodite.

There were over 1,000 prostitutes in the temple of Aphrodite, so sexual promisuity was the norm.

In Paul's letter to the Corinthians he admonishes them to flee fornication, meaning avoid to avoid sexually promiscuous behaviour, sleeping with prostitutes, and multiple sex partners.

This is different from pre marital sex.

My point is, if you are committed to be married to someone, then having sex with that person does not mean you are a fornicator.

Although I do not condone sex with multiple partners, sex with your boyfriend or fiancee is fine, as long as you are both committed to each other and monogamous.

The floor is now open.

its like you ran out of ideas on what to post on this forum. Imagine, shame on you. In 2007, you have discovered that having premarital sex with your boyfriend without marriage(in the hopes of marriage - while the two of you still say you are committed to each other) is not fornication. You have started out in 2007 on a totally wrong foot.

I also heard you are the new Choir-mistress in the church of the false-prophet 'Reverend'. No wonder the two of you are seeing the same visions. shame on both of you.

Ok, lemme ask you one thing:
- You say that a girl having premarital sex with her boyfriend, on the basis of "commitment-to-be-married" to each other is not fornication.

Question: what happens if one of the party decides to break up the relationship. Does it mean that the other just got bleeped?, as in what do you call all the sex they have been having prior to the breakup? exercise? what will be the new adjective for such past-sexual-activity in the wake of a breakup - if its not fornication?

Lets assume the guy breaks up the relationship because he found someone else, by the time he begins to have sex with his new girl-friend based on your principle, would you consider him to have had sex with multiple partners already? or he has suddenly become a virgin again?

and how long is your definition of commitment : 1,2,3-year commitment on a sexual-trip. Did your Bible give you details? pls give us a gist.

And what is the definition of monogamous: one at a time or one in a season? because if you have been having sex with your boyfriend for the past 1-year and now in 2007, you find another one(old things pass away, all things become new), you are still monogamous as long as you keep on having sex with your new boyfriend.

the judgment is too late sef. They should have done it earlier.

while some people are looking for fuel for their cars, the stupid man is burning people with Petrol.

If i were in a position of power, I would have all members of his church arrested and seriously investigated. THere are still many of his followers going around and deceiving people. All of them should be thorougly dealt with.

Children are a gift from the Lord, only that this one is an unexpected gift.

Usually such things happen when girls cant say NO!!!

@Dare312

O boy, this your post-repetition technology, its serious o.

my contribution:
would it be right to say that the present economic palava in the country is seriously contributing to the depleting intellectual capacity of nigerian women? im not talking academics - im talking about girls, women who know what they want to achieve after University / with/without it, and who are bent on 'getting there'.

Beauty will come and go, , soon all the once-budding parts will begin to be managed. A woman that has brains is not the one that easily gets pushed around, heart broken by every tom, dick and harry. A lot of women today are getting caught by the once-im-married-ive-achieved-everything ideology. They don't ask themselves what they would bring into, contribute to the marriage and make of it, individual goes are not there.  And no sooner such no-brainers tie the not, do they begin to commend those who are still single - you could almost hear the lament in their language.

A lot of women today are likened with jelly-fishes, things that have no spine, that have to be cajoled, pulled, pushed and carried along, like someone whose legs are broken. Unfortunately, some revel in their claim that such is the life of a woman: she has to be beautiful(yes), she has to be soft, extra-slow, gentle and meek, treated like an egg about to break, someone without strength who needs to always be defended, an always shy cry baby,  etc., If these are all true and are the ideals for the definition of what a woman should be(which I seriously doubt and contest against), yet these don't mean she shouldnt be able to think - even if for herself. A lot of todays women become seriously and physically messed up after their first child. In fact, they develop pot-bellies, no wonder their men look for greener pastures.

A woman with a brain knows what / who she wants and goes after it / him. Shes someone who talks with a high level of understanding, who knows what is happening: from politics to science, to industry, to market issues, from local to international events - who is an all-rounder, someone who can make decisions to the point. I met one(sat together with) one on a flight into the country some months ago, and my God, I was impressed. It was almost like twas a man-to-man talk we were having. She was well versed on issues we talked / dabbled into.  At the back of my mind, I told myself, this one is a woman. A woman with brains is someone with value and virtue who knows herself, her man, his worth and how to keep herself and her man in love(its not all and just about sex).