And where did my post say you should give tithes every Sunday? I was trying to explain the the reason God instituted the tithes for the children of Israel. I never said tithing was lawful/mandatory/compulsory.
Anywhere i said the bolded pls feel free to bring it to my notice.
You can see i mentioned it as a principle used by the early church in distributions to widows in Acts 6.Don't forget the NT wasn't even compiled at that time.The book of Moses was what was preached in their churches.

Now you are totally wrong about that fact saying: THE BOOK OF MOSES WAS PREACHED because of the unavailability of the bible... Have u forgotten the purpose of the Holy Spirit? The HS came to direct and guide them to all truth so please remove that notion that they stuck to the teachings of the book of Moses.. If you are still in doubt about this fact, ask yourself why we are not under the law anymore but under grace?
On the other hand tithe is a LAW and a COMPULSORY payment which has never been of choice that's. one of the purpose for which the book of Malachi was written, 1:1- The burden of the Lord to Israel (Not Christians) by Malachi...

Ovamboland:


If the only thing that was changed is the requirements and the tasks of the law remain, granted in the new testament circumcision and burnt offering were listed as no longer required but when did the other rules on mixed cropping, mixed fibers for clothes, eating pork and snail, how to stone rebellious children, how to handle rape cases, adultery, leprosy etc. change in the new covenant? Are we still bound by this laws till now as Christians?

Some people have been bandying about that tithing predates the law by Abraham's example but his own direct descendants never mentioned his example in their own version of tithing. So on what basis will a practice his own descendants never followed by binding on me?

In addition the Malachi 3:10 promise is based on Levithical tithing under the law, if you claim you are following Abrahamic tithing the Malachi blessing is not for you since no benefit was promised to Abraham before he gave 10% and kept no part of the 90% balance. If want to follow this strictly ensure you give 10% to your priest and give the 90% balance of your income to others once you pay your transport and feeding cost to earn the money.

funny enough tithing was never done wif money but crops n livestock even if dey had money(sheelings) den

Emusan:


Then why can't you show us where only one profession was mentioned to tithe?...so that you can prove my point wrong.

you just right words without checking the facts of what I wrote... tithe is given to levites who r d priest.. Christians are of d priesthood of God and so Christians are not to pay tithe but if u do it simply implies that u are an Israelites. remember tithe is a law and d law has been abolished thats why we are under the grace that Christ brought... its better u accept the truth and live in the truth... ignorance is nor an excuse for u knw nw... and also I dont knw kun... so don't have d preconceived notion that he taught me anything.

I have got to understand that people read but Dont study... First of all, what is the purpose of the old testament to christians? It simply is written for examples for us Rom 15:4. Secondly was tithe a command to Christians or Israelites? Hebrew 7:5 It was a law to the Israelites. What were the routes to paying tithe? Deut. 14:22-29 talks about some principles of tithe making us understand that tithe was never money buh d livestocks, cashcrops etc. Was tithe paid to none priest? Certainly not for d levites who received d priesthood of God where commanded to recieve d tithe. Numbers 18:21-24 Did the levites pay tithe to priest? Never, they only pay tithe to God through offering. Numbers 18:25-32 Who are Christians with respect to the Israelites and tithes? in becoming a Christians we recieved the priesthood of God, 1 Peter 2:5; 9... we give only to God and not to man... tithe also is never a weekly or monthly but a yearly activity Deut 14:22 but giving to Christians is a weekly activity and its only done on d 1st day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2... Tithe was also a compulsory payment that's why the book of Malachi was written as chp 1:1 says: "The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi" for they paid tithe and rendered offering but nt according to God's principles, Christians give freely as one posses in his heart 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 I believe with this clear fact u don't take to the stubborness of the Israelites But accept d truth as d bible puts it...

Bidam: If you keep on reading the bible with this kind of mindset, you will end up reading it like a storybook full of historical facts and philosophy.The bible is none of these,it is actually a spiritual book.

All scriptures from genesis to revelation is God's breathed and is profitable for teaching, rebuke,correction,instruction in righteousness that the Man of God may be thoroughly furnished and fully equipped.The book of malachi is no exception,there are principles and spiritual nuggets to be gleaned from it since Paul called us spiritual israelites

Malachi talks about the clarion call upon the people and the priests to renew their faithfulness to their covenant with God.Man is always unfaithful but God is ever faithful to His covenant between Him and his people.

Although we are no longer in the old covenant which is obsolete.The new covenant also requires renewal of our faithful-fulness to God,don't be deceived.And tithing is a proof of our faithfulness to God.

Question 1
Where was it said that tithing is a proof of Christians faithfulness to God?
Question 2
Where was it said that part of the old law was abolished and not the whole law?
Question 3
What is the purpose of the Old testament? (Bible reference please)

Don't read the bible based on what you are been told but based on the intention of the message... A simple question, where was it recorded that the Early Christians paid tithe?

Emart: Everyone please dont listen to Lahchi.. Read Malachi 3:8

Have you asked yourself if it was referring to the Israelites or Christians? Read Malachi 1:1

Bidam: DEUTERONOMY 26:12-13
12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithes of your increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled;
13 Then you will say before the LORD your God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of my house, and also have given them to the Levite, and to the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all your commandments which you have commanded me: I have not transgressed your commandments, neither have I forgotten them:

Thank God you quoted this, was that the 3rd Year written there, that was a way tithe was said to have been paid and whoever practise the law of tithe should give that same way. But no to fill your pockets our of your selfish desire you make it a rule to be Every Sunday which is Not True.

Bidam: Read Niv to get my point. Only together can we be perfected. My point is One love,one faith,one baptism,There is no difference between a jew and a gentile.It is the same Lord.Even Moses regarded disgrace for Christ of far greater value Don't forget Christ has not even come on the scene.

I am sure you were also told this and have not studied to observe the difference between a Jew and a Gentile.
When Jesus said He came for both the Jew and the Gentile didn't that occur to you?
Using different versions of the Bible1)1(1) (NIV) Matthew 18:17 "If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."
(2) (NKJV) Matthew 18:17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector."
(3) (ASV) Matthew 18:17 "And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican."
Explaining futher, a Gentile is a person that is not under the Jewish Law and seen as a Sinner/Pagan by the Jews. So they are not the same.

Joagbaje: Okay I won't call them overseers again, I will be calling them overseer"s overseer

But jokes apart these petty things you raised are insignificant . Let me explain this . Jesus made the disciples to become apostles right?

Luke 6:13
. . . he called unto him his disciples:and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

But he did give anyone a special title as chief apostle . But look at this verse below

2 Corinthians 12:11
for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

How did some become chief and chicest Appstle? You see what I mean. It's just an administrative thing. Before we criticize people , lets fine out what they know and what perspective they see and by what revelation and understanding they function lets we the critic become the sinner even though we had good intention .

Did you read further to understand what was been said, who got him Baptised? The Apostles got him Baptised and made him an apostle through the Holy Spirit, so he referred to them as a Higher apostle than he was not that Jesus Gave them the office, don't jump into conclusion on things you are not sure about. Answer this simpile question relative to what the Bible says: Why Didn't The Early Christians Have a GENERAL OVERSEER but had overseers who were still not general.?

Joagbaje: Okay I won't call them overseers again, I will be calling them overseer"s overseer

But jokes apart these petty things you raised are insignificant . Let me explain this . Jesus made the disciples to become apostles right?

Luke 6:13
. . . he called unto him his disciples:and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

But he did give anyone a special title as chief apostle . But look at this verse below

2 Corinthians 12:11
for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

How did some become chief and chicest Appstle? You see what I mean. It's just an administrative thing. Before we criticize people , lets fine out what they know and what perspective they see and by what revelation and understanding they function lets we the critic become the sinner even though we had good intention .

Did you read further to understand what was been said, who got him Baptised? The Apostles got him Baptised and made him an apostle through the Holy Spirit, so he referred to them as a Higher apostle than he was not that Jesus Gave them the office, don't jump into conclusion on things you are not sure about. Answer this simpile question relative to what the Bible says: Why Didn't The Early Christians Have a GENERAL OVERSEER but had overseers who were still not general.

Bidam: whateva..

OKAY

Joagbaje: Ho is a general overseer? A man that has churches under him. So Paul was a general over seer, John was a general overseer, James was a general overseer.because they had churches under them and they had pastors and overseers in charge of those churches. Satisfied?

Where in the Bible where they referred to as General Overseer? They were only Apostles and Disciples and that was because they were the only ones who had the knowledge of the truth, none of them were ever referred to as General Overseers. Don't say something that would stand to hinder you on the Last Day. Bewarned!!!

Joagbaje:

Christians don't have laws. The principles have always been there. It was never abolish. As long as we can still give offerings to God , we ought to give tithes too. These two principles are eternal. The closest I can give you is 1cor 9:which I quoted

Why don't you reply and to my post on this? Guess you know the truth but the love of money is what is eating you up.

Bidam: Whateva...

Ignorance is not an excuse you know?

Bidam: You fail to see that it is still the same God of the israelite we worship.We don't worship a different God.Jesus was a jew.

I never said otherwise but christianity is a new leaf, the israelites had a religion which is known as Judaism with which they use the Jewish Law as their pattern and way of Life. Christianity is made up of the Jews and Gentiles (all nations which are not jews of whom the jews saw as sinners)

Bidam: Good.unlike goshen who feels he knows all and refused to answer my questions atleast you did based on your understanding.Atleast i learnt from zikky that tithe was never 10%.

So go back and study more before you open a thread on tithing that you know nothing about.Thanks.

Tithe that was a Law to the Israelites to be given to supoort the Levites was 1/10 (One-tenth=10%) of everything they had i.e 10% of their clothes, 10% of their food, 10% of their harvest, 10% of their Livestock e.t.c. Learn to study by yourself and not stick to what you are been told.

Joagbaje:
What of Corinth? Why only Antioch?. What of the office of the pastor,prophet apostle ,evangelist etc? . These are reonsiblitiss and offices ,not titles

Was there an office for a General Overseer?

Joagbaje:
What of Corinth? Why only Antioch?. What of the office of the pastor,prophet apostle ,evangelist etc? . These are reonsiblitiss and offices ,not titles

The messages where given to the apostles who started the church, were they 1 in number? Evangelists, Ministers and Preachers and Men of God are not the Leaders of the Church so they cannot make decision but can only recommend opinion based on the Bible. The only Leaders of the Church are to be 7 in number those are the Elders and were 1st choosen in Antioch, going further check the letters written to Timothy those had critical explanations on the officies of the Church, no indication of a Single man to Oversee the Church aside Jesus Christ who is the only Overseer of the church (1 peter 2:25)

Joagbaje:

Christians don't have laws. The principles have always been there. It was never abolish. As long as we can still give offerings to God , we ought to give tithes too. These two principles are eternal. The closest I can give you is 1cor 9:which I quoted

Remember the Inspiration of God was filled within the writers of the Initial Bible in Greek, not some rubbish translation who just do their for their own profit.

Joagbaje:

Christians don't have laws. The principles have always been there. It was never abolish. As long as we can still give offerings to God , we ought to give tithes too. These two principles are eternal. The closest I can give you is 1cor 9:which I quoted

That never talked about tithe or giving.

Bidam: Ok the law has changed. What is the new law

Is the new law adultery,fornication,lawlessness,immoral behaviour and conduct

see how you dey shoot yourself for leg abi?

The Law and commandments are different, all the Ten commandments that was given to the Isrealites where summarised into Love.
Th law which entails tithe and offerings where changed:
(1) Tithe (compulsory 10%) was changed to a freewill giving. 2 Corinthians 9:6-8
(2) Offering (burnt and sin) where both annuled by the Death of Jesus The Christ.

Joagbaje:

They did.it was life for them

Speak from the bible, where was it written?

Joagbaje:

It doesn't make sense. Was tithing only meant for Pharisees? Or worshippers of God?

The Tithe was given to the Isrealites as a Law to give to the Levites, Are Christians Isrealites?

Joagbaje:

Burnt offering was a sin offering , it was a shadow of Jesus , when Jesus had come he had fulfilled the shadow. The tithe was not a shadow of anything . It's and endless ministry . As long as there's a high priest here must be tithing .

Why didn't the Early Christians Give Tithe?

Joagbaje:

They were isrealite, and he encouraged the tithing , he only rebuked the extremes of the Pharisees ,by their neglect of other values

He never encouraged it in that statement, he rebuked the inscincerity of those who claimed to follow the Law of Moses in accordance. Don't be deceived.

Joagbaje:

Really? if that's the case I will show you where Jesus endorsed tithing too.

Luke 11:42
"But woe to you Pharisees! For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave these other things undone. NLT


He had every opportunity to condemn it as he condemned the observation of sabbath but rather he endorsed it.

Who were the people called the Pharises? Remember Jesus lived under the Law but when he said "It is Finished" the Law was broken and put to an end Hence we do not abide by it, Luke 11:42 (NKJV) "42 “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. " The version you must have used indicated income of which that was even to suite your false doctrine, Jesus didn't endorse tithe there, don't deceive anybody, He only made it known that the pharises who claimed to give their tithe did exactly what the Isrealites did of which they were warned in Malachi 3:8, the way and manner in which was indicated in the NT towards the Early Christians was in 2 Corinthians 9:6 and when was clearly in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. You teach a doctrine which is False and you have your reward if you continue this act, remember you don't know when the world would come to an end, change is the actual thing you need else you won't find yourself happy on the Last Day.

Bidam: You still do not get the point of who God is.God is Love,through out genesis to revelations His covenants is that of love.He practically performed miraculous signs and wonders through Moses by parting the red sea and feeding the Israelites in the wilderness.This is the Loving father that we have.They were baptized into Moses( a type of christ),they drank and ate spiritual food and drink(Christ). Yet God was not pleased with them.Why? They violated His covenant.And that was why i said the problem is always with Man(the people) never with God.

Covenant is simply an agreement between two parties,in this case God simply requires simple obedience,since the Holy Spirit is not yet poured out He gave the Law to Moses to instruct his people.The law was a school master until perfection will come.The people still could not enter in the rest God has ordained for them because of unbelief.

The new covenant( flesh and blood of Christ which is also spiritual just like Moses)was given before(even the night Jesus was betrayed) after the death,resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.It is far superior than the earthly tabernacle that Moses built which David preserved.

We still have so many lessons to learn from the OT.That was why when you say the OT books should be discarded i laff because you know nothing.

Moses did not take those stiffnecked people into the promise land but Joshua did.
Saul(the first king of Israel)became king not by merit but grace(just like we are kings and priest unto God not by merit but Grace)what did you think disqualified him in the sight of God?
He lacked the character and obedience to lead Israel. hence God rejected him and eventually killed him when he consulted mediums instead of God.

As far as i am concerned David was a man after God's heart who we should emulate from.He did what God wanted.We have to strip ourselves of all these Saul mentalities and take on the davidic spirit(that's the right kind of spirit). It is not about churches,pastors,denominations,doctrines etc.But it is about the heavenly kingdom of God called the zion city or Jerusalem from above.

Until you come to the realization of this understanding of spiritual truths, you will keep operating in the errors and traditions of men.

God is looking for a people who will not be forced to do His will or counsel as of OLD,and that is why Jesus says many are the called but few are chosen.whether you tithe or you don't tithe is irrelevant to God because the Lord knows who are his.The Holy spirit is poured out as a wine to judge the hearts of believers(He said he will inscribe his laws in our heart).

Since Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant,the laws we are to obey funny enough are even higher than the laws of Old.(a case is Ananias an Sapphira)The truth is Goshen i will not trample the son of God underfoot and treat the blood of the covenant that sanctify me as unholy.I will never insult the spirit of grace.And that is why Galatians 2 :20 will be my watchword till Christ returns.

You just bring out your opinion that tithe is compulsory for christians where was it written that the saints paid tithe or did the writters forget? Remember everything written in the Bible is written through the Inspiration of God and don't add and subtract from what has been written.

Joagbaje:
This is an unnecessary post. It's just a use of English language it's not a title. It's a functional responsibility . Overseer is a binlical responsibility and having General overseer shouldn't be an issue. It's a description of a responsibility. Lets not get petty with irrelevant things .

The Holy Spirit ordained 7 Elders who are also called Sherpherds/Bishops/Overseers in the church at Antioch, why was one further choosen to be the General Overseer? Don't input what you think it is supposed to be relative to how the world go. Our mind is not God's Mind so to do God's will you need to follow exactly what the Bible says not what you think.

Bidam: A big ignorance from someone who doesn't know What the entire book of hebrews is talking about.God never found fault with His covenant but the people.

Don't be ignorant Heb 7:11 “Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.”

Joagbaje:

They had a project which was to send relief to saints in Jerusalem who had economic disaster.

Acts 11:28-30
one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world (this took place in the days of Claudius). So the disciples determined, every one according to his ability, to send relief to the brothers living in Judea. And they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.

This was the relief project paul was mobilizing money for in second Corinthians ,

Read the verses before that then you see you are wrong about it being the same issues they had in Antioch, don't interpret the Bible wrongly.
Read further to verse 12

Joagbaje:
If I tell people the importance of prayer ,is it a lie. Did God demand prayer in the New Testament? It's our yieldedness knowing its a kingdom principle . God didn't command Christians to fast ,or pray , or give. It's a common sense same applies to tithes and offerings.

With this its so obvious you just take to what you are been told in the church by your so called "Man of God" but I tell you the truth unless you study the scriptures, you would still remain blind by what you are been told.
In Matthew 6:1-15 Jesus continued the teaching of the multitude and His disciples (Matt 5) about giving and how to pray making us understand the need to pray, how we should pray and the pattern in which they should pray. "Charitable Deeds

1 “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.

Prayer

REF: Luke 11:2–4

5 “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10  Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11  Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13  And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. 14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Now the issue of the command of prayer to be done started from here, Jesus Himself prayed to God (Matt 26:36 “Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, “Sit here while I go and pray over there.”) and also told his disciples to watch and pray giving them the reason why it is necessary (Matt 26:40-41 “40 Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41 Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”)
Paul in the same manner told the Church of Christ in Thessalonica the reason why prayer is important (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 “16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.”) This is a Direct command making us know that Prayer and Praise is the Will of God.
So don't say it was not giving to Christians as a command, that is so not true as the Bible says otherwise.