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Religion / Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 11:48pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Everyone pls watch while I demonstrate: Jesus Christ: I have many more things to tell u, but u are not yet able to understand them right now... In the very words of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, what he had left to finish to teach them was A) finished B) unfinished This is a very simple question. These are the very words of Jesus. Can u pls provide the very simple glaring answer to these words of Jesus today? Come on let's prove to the whole world that u aint deluded. Very simple proof right here and now |
Religion / Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 9:52pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: I usually dont comment on things like these, but OP this is very good advice, u will do well to stay clear of them. They deny the authority of God's word, and the ministry gifts Jesus has placed in the body. Sincere, but sincerely deluded unfortunately. Stay clear 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by Mikee19(m): 10:46am On Jun 20, 2022 |
immaculatesense:Although johnw47 is quite close and has made several good points |
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by Mikee19(m): 11:03pm On Jun 19, 2022 |
You've come face to face with what it means to be a jw. U r either part of them or u burn at armageddon immaculatesense: |
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by Mikee19(m): 10:47pm On Jun 19, 2022 |
Well I'll mention u on a post soon to come on this topic. Jesus is God, but most ppl don't knw enuf to show this thoroghly as I can see. immaculatesense: |
Religion / Re: "Does The Watchtower Organisation Control The Jehovah's Witnesses' Thinking?" by Mikee19(m): 6:56pm On Jun 15, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: By repeatedly setting years and months for fulfillment of Bible prophecy, that not even one then comes to pass. Yea that's exactly what Jesus did 3 Likes |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 6:51am On Jun 08, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Issokae 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 9:00pm On Jun 07, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: No I only wanted to know how to detect it now. Like how do I know a person is barred? |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 7:23pm On Jun 07, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: How did you detect he was banned? |
Religion / Re: Man Narrates How He Resigned As A Pastor At Winners Chapel To Become A Native Do by Mikee19(m): 4:11pm On Jun 06, 2022 |
something that's live on this forum https://www.nairaland.com/7158807/why-resigned-job-pastor-winners |
Religion / Re: Winners Chapel Pastor Resigns To Become Native Doctor (photo) by Mikee19(m): 4:09pm On Jun 06, 2022 |
But this story is live from this forum na https://www.nairaland.com/7158807/why-resigned-job-pastor-winners |
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Was The First To Be Created By Elohim. by Mikee19(m): 4:06pm On Jun 06, 2022 |
Kenneth4u205: True, but who he is bears MUCH importance on the salvation message itself. Believing in a wrong Jesus won't save |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 3:49pm On Jun 06, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: It matters not to you that they have a 100% fail rate with respect to years they've set and at times month in years? All you're glad about is that they didn't set a day, but failure in years and months is ok? Lol. That's interesting. As you please, entrust your soul to those with a 100% fail rate with years and months of years, believing that miraculously they got it right in these other things, just cause they don't have any such year or month to show them up as frauds this time around. Cheers |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 1:49pm On Jun 06, 2022 |
kimco: I think you may want to read this response below; Ken4Christ: 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 1:43pm On Jun 06, 2022 |
Emusan: Thank you for this. I was honestly perturbed that anybody in good faith can say such a thing as he said with all the evidence that abound. I didn't notice he isn't counting "year" and "month" as date the same way as I was. This is all semantics now, meaningless arguing over words as to what constitutes a "date". It's pointless. My point still stands regardless! I will henceforth switch to using "year" and "sometimes month" with him. Doesn't change a thing regarding my point! @ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists, the watchtower didn't go as far, but that's got nothing on my point.... My point is that, by using their own scriptural interpretation, the very same one they use in bringing forth doctrine on trinity, hell, heaven, the anointed, etc, that same scriptural interpretation was what they used in coming forth with different "years" (since you like that word better) when they predicted things concerning Armageddon, the kingdom of God, etc, and every single year they predicted failed! Sometimes even month within a year! It made no difference, it ALWAYS failed! And these are the same people you decide to entrust your soul to with other scriptural interpretation that didn't have a due "year" (or "month within a year", since your prefer such semantics) so as to show them false when each time they gave a year or month within a year it always failed! Jesus DID NOT give a year, nor did John the Baptist. Your organization tested their skills with their scriptural ability and failed EACH TIME! But they're the ones who can suddenly now determine doctrine just because there is no due "year" or "month within a year" that will pass to prove it false? In any other field, anybody won't be as foolish as to trust ppl with 100% failure record when they tried to give a due "year" or "month within a year"! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Unforgiveness: One Subtle Sin That Would Take Many Christians To Hell by Mikee19(m): 1:38pm On Jun 05, 2022 |
ReacherSaidNoth: He is not a weak God. He can love and sentence a just punishment regardless of his love. Like he did Jesus for man's sins. Justice. Not weakness |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:06am On Jun 05, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: First off, you have admitted you yourself CANNOT make she sure of all things but must wait for the GB to do it for you and they can fail Secondly, if you read properly, you will see me say why I said I couldn't at this time. For avoidance of doubt, i will give your full dates! Full evidence. Full proof! I will sew a thread for you, even though I said it isn't my focus in things. Just because you've continuously said this despite plain clear evidence! The average JW cannot even make such a claim. I will certainly do this soon! 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 2:56am On Jun 05, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: OK |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 2:33am On Jun 05, 2022 |
Emusan: I did not in truth. Anybody who goes thru that link can see this. Screenshots are there. link to publications are there. It's tiring that I will have to be the one to go and try get them again when you can plainly see that they are there! sigh... https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php# If he still insists, and nobody else does it, maybe i would. This thing is plainly there! Very frustrating to be asking me again! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 2:11pm On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Now this is the one place, in everything you've said, that I agree with. I'll call it a day here, but I will be sure to reference this post when the appropriate time comes. I just didn't know it's next to impossible to get you to see my point and only realized this by virtue of these remarks, but I will certainly lay it out (while referencing these) at the right time. The audience will see them. I can only pray that you do too. Cheers |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 12:34pm On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: By this admission, you have NO WAY of knowing whenever you interpret scripture wrongly on your own! You must depend upon external help. This is sad. You are right now deceived and have no way to know since you have no choice but to agree with whatever you're taught in your organization even if it be false. I certainly don't envy you at all! Only the grace of God can therefore help you as you are powerless in yourself to judge whether what you're taught is accurate or not, you must swallow it that way. This has just confirmed why it is you must always give answers from your books as the final word. Wow! Quite sad MaxInDHouse: I actually used "let's say" because I didn't want to come off as rude. They are wrong in truth. But you would never see it no matter what anybody says with what you've said, being helpless and dependent on your organization which is also in the wrong. No hope but God's grace. It won't matter what anybody says from scripture. All that matters is what your organization says, the interpretation they give. You are no more an individual with a mind of your own to judge things for yourself, but are utterly dependent on your GB or some external person the "spirit works on" to test things for you. "Test all things and hold on to what is true" doesn't really apply to you, cos in truth you have no ability to test on your own, and must accept what you're told as the standard and fact. Anyone who tries to reason with you therefore wastes his time. At this point, it's only God... So for now, have a lovely day! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 11:07am On Jun 04, 2022 |
Let me ask you a simple, practical question. Your GB are uninspired. They can make serious blunders. You know this is possible. Let's say they are wrong on trinity, how can you tell? Let's say they are wrong on hell how can you tell? Let's say they are wrong about going to heaven, how can you tell? Let's make this very very practical now. Don't tell because you can see fruits; with all these fruits they have been making errors all the same. So, in a very practical manner, how? Note that you've just indicated you MUST follow them notwithstanding. So if you're following them into error, no way to tell? MaxInDHouse: |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:08am On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: This sir, is VERY FALSE. You know that verses and chapters weren't in Paul's letters right? it was just one long thing written to his audience NKJV 1Co 11:2: "² Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you." He was praising them for keeping the traditions as delivered unto them! He then called them "brethren"! These are UNDOUBTEDLY Christians! No doubt at all! Notice he used "you" and not "we" when talking to them, and yet they were no doubt believers... Now few verses down, same audience, same letter, same people, same BRETHREN (notice also that Paul didn't put verses in, translators did that, meaning he was yet talking to the very same people!) NKJV 1Co 11:17: "¹⁷ Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse." He, talking to these same Christians, although he said he'll praise them for keeping other instructions he passed unto them, said he WILL NOT praise them this time around! Doesn't mean the audience has changed to unbelievers, just that the same people, SAME BELIEVERS, who were obedient to certain truths were not obedient this time around! They remain the same believers, even tho he said "You" again in referring to them! This is merely a matter of consistency, where he was using "You" to refer to believers, he cannot suddenly use "we"! Notice also be said "You come together"... So what happens when these believers who were obedient to other truths elsewhere but disobedient to these particular ones come together as he's said? NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." Again, these are BELIEVERS coming together as the context has shown! The same audience in verse 1 is the same audience in verse 17 and the same audience in these verses! You sir are wrong. Paul identifies them as BELIEVERS who were obedient to certain truths but stumbled in others! "You" or "we" is of no consequence, just for consistency, they remain believers regardless. When THESE BELIEVERS/BRETHREN come together there are divisions! When you use parables, use them carefully. You cannot ignore the original context first of all, before bringing a parable from somewhere else. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 9:29am On Jun 04, 2022 |
Again, the dates are given in the publications listed on the site, and I've seen them myself! The phone and the browser I'm currently using make it impossible for me to do so at this time, but I am mighty surprised that despite it being given on the site you still ask that it be posted here! Anyways, I'm usually more concerned with proving from scripture what's right and wrong, which is why i referred to someone else who has put in the work. I don't concern myself with such things as those. It will never be my priority, ever! It is a simple matter to show that current doctrine of JWs are very false. I've done this and would do this again. This I concern myself with, rather than looking thru publications for failed prophecies. I refer to them so that those that need them can put in the work also, and take them from there MaxInDHouse: 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 8:06am On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Abeg no be fight na! We have always disagreed without going down to insults. We will again do so. Cheers |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 7:46am On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: 1 Cor 11:18-19. You will forever dodge this scripture in all your comments, and will always fail to address it like i have, because doing so will reveal your religion for what it truly is. Ok lemme now dare you. Address what this scripture says. You cannot. And that is no sign enough to you. Issokae 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 7:21am On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: If you didn't see them mention specific dates, if you didn't see the exact publications, I really can't help you to paste them here. That was a thorough job, complete with publications where they appeared. I will NOT repeat that job here I've already addressed this issue of "better performing group" so much that i don't think I need to repeat myself anymore 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 4:02am On Jun 04, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Sigh. Where did you put 1 Cor 11:18-19 that i quoted? You just threw it away to bring in these that do not relate to what you are saying at all! Ok let's have a look. The scriptures you gave speak of Paul asking them to AVOID divisions, but the one i gave asked them to EMBRACE them, stating that they MUST occur. Obviously then, context would be different, and we have to see which is best suited to JWs so-called "unity" such that they cannot see false doctrine if it exists, but always just agree with each other and follow each other into complete error. Let's take your scriptures first: NKJV Ro 16:17: "¹⁷ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them." In this case, there were ppl whose "work" was to cause divisiveness btw people and make them offended! As in, these ppl were "professional" trouble makers! They were noted for what they always did! This isn't the case of some RANDOM set of ppl today seeing doctrine differently from others, such that they needed to know who was right, and who was "approved". No, they were a certain DEFINITE set of persons each time, who had one job only: to divide God's people! Of course they were to mark and avoid them na, who should associate with known trouble makers? This DOES NOT apply to "unity of beliefs regarding doctrine" in which you're trying to force it to apply to as it is merely the case of avoiding trouble makers, not "always agreeing with each other" even in doctrinal errors! NKJV 1Co 1:10-12: "¹⁰ Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. ¹¹ For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. ¹² Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”" I'm not sure I need to say too much about this either. It is certainly worrisome if someone decided to say "I follow Paul not like you that follows Jesus" or "I follow Apollos instead". This EXACTLY was the error Paul was confronting! If this were you, would you commend that type of division? Certainly not! But again, this is obviously not of the same sort of "unity" being spoken of where everyone claims to be following Jesus but then go on to harbor doctrinal errors! When some people are segregating to the extent of saying they DO NOT follow Christ but Paul there's a huge problem way beyond doctrinal issues that must be resolved! Now finally to where division is PROMISED amongst believers: NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." According to this scripture, there MUST exist this type of factions AMONG TRUE BELIEVERS! If this type is missing amongst your organisation, there is a very serious problem. You may not be true Christians after all, for this MUST exist amongst them! Now in this particular case, the division is all about KNOWING WHICH AMONGST THE BELIEVES HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM GOD in relation to proper worship of God as he had commanded; in fact this particular case was about the Lord's supper! And so Paul had to first set their doctrine right, so that their act of worship can now become right! Again, this sort of division MUST OCCUR amongst true Christians, and is even healthy! As has been said, this occurred all the time in the early church, such that letters had to be written to address the matters and to show what's right. So when talking of unity/division amongst JWs such that they follow each other into error, believing errors with one mind, with nobody able to spot what's wrong ever? Which of these cases are applicable? This is the question you should have asked before using scripture! - it isn't a case of "professional" trouble makers such that certain persons who take it as work to find trouble are to be noted and avoided, no! Romans 16:17 you quoted is NOT applicable here! - neither is it a case of sects springing up unto different people, with some claiming to follow others apart from Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 1 you word is again NOT applicable here! - it is CERTAINLY a case of proper/improper worship due to understanding of doctrine such as was addressed in 1 Cor 11! The type of division that MUST occur among true believers so that those whose understanding of God's word and practice of it is approved by God can be clearly seen! When you use scripture, please use it properly... This type of disagreement is healthy according to scripture. It MUST occur amongst true believers. There's something wrong with your organization where everybody is of the same mind even with doctrine so that y'all follow each other into error without having any way to know. This is anti-scripture. It is NOT how the true church of God operates. Your organization is FALSE! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:27pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: For everyone who may be deceived to believe what was said here, pls go thru this link: https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php Very extensive. There you will see links and proof of various dates JWs set, how they were also not honest over time, changing up things they said as tho they never said them. Right from their own publications. It's all there MaxInDHouse: Every other group is better, but that's not the point. I had already shown you it never has been about "better performing group" (as judged by your own set of rules/standard that your group set for itself; of course you'll score high by your own rules na!). A certain man was not part of the apostles "group", yet Jesus said he was yet for them (John 9:38-40). Jesus will at the end of ages judge people INDIVIDUALLY for their own works, NOT the group they belonged to. 3 Likes |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:17pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
Well said! Image123: 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 4:43pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You doctrine is FALSE, and you have NO WAY to know it. I do not have questions sir. Only God's word. Your doctrine CANNOT answer for it, but sadly you have just shown just why it is hard for a JW to acknowledge the truth of God's word. Because you must always be in "unity", having no ability whatsoever to disagree with teaching of the organization, but must always agree, even when it may be erroneous. You simply have no ability to disagree with anything you're taught but must hold on to it as truth, even when it may be false 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 4:39pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Haba naw! Sham cannot produce something that has a form of godly devotion ( 2 Tim 3:5)? No naw... How do you poison a rat? If you put it on bare floor, will rat eat it? Must it not be on well garnished food to attract the rat to its death? How can someone be pulled in by false religion by Satan without something good to attract him? Why r you talking like this? Can something that looks very bad draw a person in? What's the proportion of poison with the great looking food that kills a rat? isn't the poison only small, with much more great food? For sham to deceive, there must be good. PLENTY good! This is in order! MaxInDHouse: Ha, not so ooo! Dates plenty now, haba! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions Very embarrassingly plenty sef. pls ooo... MaxInDHouse: This date issue! Haba! MaxInDHouse: No sir. Peter's issue was not "to where" they could go, but "to whom"! It was NEVER about any "better performing group" sir. It was NOT about ANY GROUP AT ALL for that matter, greatly performing or not! Even if there was a "better performing group", they still won't go there, because this was NOT about a group, BUT ABOUT THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST! They said, "To WHOM shall we go", they didn't say "to WHERE"! Jesus is the messiah, so they can only go TO HIM! 2 Likes |
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