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Religion / Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 11:48pm On Jun 20, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Yet not a single one of you has been able to prove me wrong by the Word of God Himself, Jesus Christ.

Everyone pls watch while I demonstrate:

Jesus Christ: I have many more things to tell u, but u are not yet able to understand them right now...

In the very words of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, what he had left to finish to teach them was

A) finished
B) unfinished

This is a very simple question. These are the very words of Jesus. Can u pls provide the very simple glaring answer to these words of Jesus today? Come on let's prove to the whole world that u aint deluded. Very simple proof right here and nowsmiley
Religion / Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 9:52pm On Jun 20, 2022
RoyalDiadems:


My brother, be ware of kobojunkie. He's a deceiver and an imposter. This is a guy who tries all he can to lead people away from God. You can. Check his posts from to confirm. He's an agent of hell who says the Bible is a false book but he keeps quoting from it. He says all pastors are deceivers. He says all churches are fake. Run away from that guy. The Lord will preserve your soul.

I usually dont comment on things like these, but OP this is very good advice, u will do well to stay clear of them. They deny the authority of God's word, and the ministry gifts Jesus has placed in the body. Sincere, but sincerely deluded unfortunately. Stay clear

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Religion / Re: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by Mikee19(m): 10:46am On Jun 20, 2022
immaculatesense:
Okay Mikee19 Will be waiting
Although johnw47 is quite close and has made several good points
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by Mikee19(m): 11:03pm On Jun 19, 2022
You've come face to face with what it means to be a jw. U r either part of them or u burn at armageddon cheesy

immaculatesense:

Dear MaxinDHouse
You are beyond this...don't restrict ursef...but no problem...I bliv at least we had a reasonable and mature discussion and dats okay...it was a pleasure and thank u
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Is The First Creature And The Person From Whom All Things Was Created. by Mikee19(m): 10:47pm On Jun 19, 2022
Well I'll mention u on a post soon to come on this topic. Jesus is God, but most ppl don't knw enuf to show this thoroghly as I can see.

immaculatesense:

Dear MaxinDHouse
This is a conversation that I was so so cautious to no make it segregational or denominational but u av made it seem so from ur angel...
I was born Pentecostal but I am not Pentecostal...I am just notin but a follower of Christ...I am a Sunday school teacher and coordinator or two different denomination. At the start of all my teaching I do tell then...I won't teach u the teaching of men by consensus but I will teach u wat d Bible says and how it was bn said even if it against wat d denomination teach. Leaders of these denomination don't like it wen I conflict with their rule but still they can't just against it,or stop me...they love it but u know all these orders from above kinda thing. Thinks like "you are right truly,but u know these is how we do things in our church from the headquarters,these are wat we were told"
I stated the above for u to know that I am not lenient to denomination but the Bible...
You kept saying secret,secret,secret... revealed by our brethen,taught by them etc.. .forgetting that even Paul himself said if an angel,or any apostle or even himself reveal other things to us that has not been revealed we should not believe...even if they claim to even seen an angel or God...those things may or may not be true...even if they are...we were advised to stick to wat had been reveal so that we will not by any chance loose our strong footing due to not being vigilant enough.
Dear MaxinDHouse I never said u were wrong or right...I don't know myself because it wasn't revealed...my advice had always been let us always stick to wat had bn revealed extensively in the scriptures and not contemporary times with are debatable as I av shown to you.
Religion / Re: "Does The Watchtower Organisation Control The Jehovah's Witnesses' Thinking?" by Mikee19(m): 6:56pm On Jun 15, 2022
MaxInDHouse:



Well the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have proved to be exactly like Jesus in all their ways that's why millions of people globally trusted them wholeheartedly and they have gathered us to do everything Jesus said in the Bible.

By repeatedly setting years and months for fulfillment of Bible prophecy, that not even one then comes to pass. Yea that's exactly what Jesus did grin

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 6:51am On Jun 08, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

You'll learn through experience, this has nothing to do with salvation, what i need to discuss with you is about your salvation not barring of monikers on Nairaland.
People like you finds no pleasure in important things rather you carry unnecessary things in your head. When Emusan returns in the afternoon ask him at least you flow better with him! smiley

cheesycheesy Issokae

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 9:00pm On Jun 07, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


I said barred not banned

Don't worry my guy, if my own brother believe me it's enough you can choose whatever you want to believe but know that Emusan won't be able to make any comments on Nairaland until tomorrow afternoon! smiley

No I only wanted to know how to detect it now. Like how do I know a person is barred?
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 7:23pm On Jun 07, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


There's this thing in their system on Nairaland that often bar accounts and it will take the next 24 hours to recover your account.
That's what just happened to Emusan! undecided

How did you detect he was banned?
Religion / Re: Man Narrates How He Resigned As A Pastor At Winners Chapel To Become A Native Do by Mikee19(m): 4:11pm On Jun 06, 2022
Religion / Re: Winners Chapel Pastor Resigns To Become Native Doctor (photo) by Mikee19(m): 4:09pm On Jun 06, 2022
Religion / Re: Yahushuah Was The First To Be Created By Elohim. by Mikee19(m): 4:06pm On Jun 06, 2022
Kenneth4u205:
We waste our time arguing over useless things. What matters most is the salvation of our souls. Not wether he was created on not created.

True, but who he is bears MUCH importance on the salvation message itself. Believing in a wrong Jesus won't save
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 3:49pm On Jun 06, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Case closed! smiley

It matters not to you that they have a 100% fail rate with respect to years they've set and at times month in years? All you're glad about is that they didn't set a day, but failure in years and months is ok? Lol. That's interesting.

As you please, entrust your soul to those with a 100% fail rate with years and months of years, believing that miraculously they got it right in these other things, just cause they don't have any such year or month to show them up as frauds this time around.

Cheers
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 1:49pm On Jun 06, 2022
kimco:


A faithful man like Job's life was gambled with just because God wanted to win a bet with satan. Not even the administrators of Betnaija will do this.
Some say it was to strengthen Job spiritually. What rubbish. Do you know what it does to a man to lose all his loved ones that he used to have? Forget the properties but the family members: his children and grand kids. Even if he were to get double that do you think he will remain the same? God traumatized Job for his amusement when he knew Job will be successful ( He is omnipotent, remember) so what was the need? Spiritual maturity vrs emotional traimatization? Either way you look at Job's story it does not paint a good color of God. Even went as far as admonition Job for crying out. How eternally wicked of YHWH.

The above is to paint a picture of how everything happening must be part of God's plan to make things dramatic for his amusement, like a hollywood director (If you are a believer). God works with Satan my brother.


I think you may want to read this response below;

Ken4Christ:


Satan does not work for God. Rather, he seeks permission from God before he can perform his evil schemes on God's own people. But he only succeeds in getting his permission granted if he has a good argument to put forth. Besides, Job was under Satan's power or dominion by virtue of the sin of Adam. There is no recorded Covenant between God and Job that would have permitted God to stop Satan. If God does that, he will be infringing on Satan's legality over Job. Hence, he told Satan;

Job 1:12
...Behold, ALL THAT HE HATH IS IN THY POWER; only upon himself put not forth thine hand...

But it's no longer so. Those in Christ have been delivered from the power of darkness. Satan can only have access to us if we yield ourselves to obey our sinful desires. This is why it's important you keep yourself from sin so that the devil will have nothing to accuse you of.

And even if you sin, be quick to repent and depend on his grace to overcome any wrong habit that easily overwhelms you.


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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 1:43pm On Jun 06, 2022
Emusan:


The attached screenshot are evidences of JWs MENTIONED specific DATE.

NOTE: Don't mind the liar telling you that you should provide where a specific DATE (2.3.22) appeared in their publications, it's tactics to deviate and change the narrative. Specific DATE can also be a PARTICULAR YEAR and as we can see those publications MENTIONED YEAR even some publications contain MONTH & YEAR

Thank you for this. I was honestly perturbed that anybody in good faith can say such a thing as he said with all the evidence that abound. I didn't notice he isn't counting "year" and "month" as date the same way as I was. This is all semantics now, meaningless arguing over words as to what constitutes a "date". It's pointless. My point still stands regardless! I will henceforth switch to using "year" and "sometimes month" with him. Doesn't change a thing regarding my point!

@ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists, the watchtower didn't go as far, but that's got nothing on my point.... My point is that, by using their own scriptural interpretation, the very same one they use in bringing forth doctrine on trinity, hell, heaven, the anointed, etc, that same scriptural interpretation was what they used in coming forth with different "years" (since you like that word better) when they predicted things concerning Armageddon, the kingdom of God, etc, and every single year they predicted failed! Sometimes even month within a year! It made no difference, it ALWAYS failed!

And these are the same people you decide to entrust your soul to with other scriptural interpretation that didn't have a due "year" (or "month within a year", since your prefer such semantics) so as to show them false when each time they gave a year or month within a year it always failed!

Jesus DID NOT give a year, nor did John the Baptist. Your organization tested their skills with their scriptural ability and failed EACH TIME! But they're the ones who can suddenly now determine doctrine just because there is no due "year" or "month within a year" that will pass to prove it false? In any other field, anybody won't be as foolish as to trust ppl with 100% failure record when they tried to give a due "year" or "month within a year"!

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Religion / Re: Unforgiveness: One Subtle Sin That Would Take Many Christians To Hell by Mikee19(m): 1:38pm On Jun 05, 2022
ReacherSaidNoth:
The christian god is a massive hypocrite. He tells his followers to love and forgive their enemies, but guess who created an eternal torture chamber for his own enemies cheesy

He is not a weak God. He can love and sentence a just punishment regardless of his love. Like he did Jesus for man's sins. Justice. Not weakness
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:06am On Jun 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Just admit your mistake, put the devil to shame and move on with your findings, but this time around make sure of all things! 1Thess 5:21

First off, you have admitted you yourself CANNOT make she sure of all things but must wait for the GB to do it for you and they can fail

Secondly, if you read properly, you will see me say why I said I couldn't at this time.

For avoidance of doubt, i will give your full dates! Full evidence. Full proof!

I will sew a thread for you, even though I said it isn't my focus in things. Just because you've continuously said this despite plain clear evidence! The average JW cannot even make such a claim. I will certainly do this soon!

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 2:56am On Jun 05, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Still waiting for you Sir!

Just a publication of Watchtower where a specific date e.g 5-6-2022 was mentioned regarding the prophecy of the end of the world.

Initially i thought you've been STUPID for not checking well what is necessary but now i know i was wrong and image123 is right, you're just a malicious LIAR! undecided

smileysmiley

OK
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 2:33am On Jun 05, 2022
Emusan:


Actually Mikee19 didn't make any false accusation

I did not in truth. Anybody who goes thru that link can see this. Screenshots are there. link to publications are there. It's tiring that I will have to be the one to go and try get them again when you can plainly see that they are there!

sigh...

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php#

If he still insists, and nobody else does it, maybe i would. This thing is plainly there! Very frustrating to be asking me again!

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 2:11pm On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


You don't need to argue continuously if you have good intentions {1Timo 6:4} all what you should do is present your points plainly and leave your audience to use their intellect.

Now this is the one place, in everything you've said, that I agree with. I'll call it a day here, but I will be sure to reference this post when the appropriate time comes. I just didn't know it's next to impossible to get you to see my point and only realized this by virtue of these remarks, but I will certainly lay it out (while referencing these) at the right time. The audience will see them. I can only pray that you do too.

Cheers
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 12:34pm On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


all what they needed is a Christian brother upon whom the spirit works to call them back to the path of righteousness! Galat 2:11-14

By this admission, you have NO WAY of knowing whenever you interpret scripture wrongly on your own! You must depend upon external help. This is sad. You are right now deceived and have no way to know since you have no choice but to agree with whatever you're taught in your organization even if it be false. I certainly don't envy you at all! Only the grace of God can therefore help you as you are powerless in yourself to judge whether what you're taught is accurate or not, you must swallow it that way. This has just confirmed why it is you must always give answers from your books as the final word. Wow! Quite sad


MaxInDHouse:
The phrase you keep repeating "let's say" connotes assumptions so try to be specific what question exactly do have in mind? smiley

I actually used "let's say" because I didn't want to come off as rude. They are wrong in truth. But you would never see it no matter what anybody says with what you've said, being helpless and dependent on your organization which is also in the wrong. No hope but God's grace.

It won't matter what anybody says from scripture. All that matters is what your organization says, the interpretation they give. You are no more an individual with a mind of your own to judge things for yourself, but are utterly dependent on your GB or some external person the "spirit works on" to test things for you. "Test all things and hold on to what is true" doesn't really apply to you, cos in truth you have no ability to test on your own, and must accept what you're told as the standard and fact.

Anyone who tries to reason with you therefore wastes his time. At this point, it's only God...

So for now, have a lovely day!

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 11:07am On Jun 04, 2022
Let me ask you a simple, practical question.

Your GB are uninspired. They can make serious blunders. You know this is possible. Let's say they are wrong on trinity, how can you tell? Let's say they are wrong on hell how can you tell? Let's say they are wrong about going to heaven, how can you tell? Let's make this very very practical now. Don't tell because you can see fruits; with all these fruits they have been making errors all the same. So, in a very practical manner, how? Note that you've just indicated you MUST follow them notwithstanding. So if you're following them into error, no way to tell?

MaxInDHouse:


My guy Paul was addressing a congregation which he himself formed through his missionary journey so it supposed to be a Christian congregation.
However there were Satan's agents which the devil sow in their midst just as Jesus Christ said in his parable {Matthew 13:24-30} such ones are responsible for the different sects having contradicting teachings not those who are keeping the tradition of subjecting only to the teachings of the Governing Body (Apostles and elders in Jerusalem) Act 2:42

You asked me why quoting Jesus' word about oneness in thought {John 17:22} so if you don't want the truth no wahala but know today that God has heard the fervent prayer of His only begotten Son that's why Jehovah's Witnesses perfectly reflect what Jesus prayed for {1Corin 1:10; Ephe 4:3} while others are divided as in SCATTERED in their so called faith! Luke 11:23 smiley
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:08am On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


OK let me give you the benefit of doubt and TEACH you perhaps you still have a conscience that's working in you!

For first of all, I hear that when you come together in a congregation, divisions exist among you; and to an extent I believe it. For there will certainly also be sects among you, so that those of you who are approved may also become evident.

Paul is using the highlighted in red to remind the first century Christians what Jesus once taught them by the use of illustration when he said:

"The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. Matt 13:24-25

If you're a farmer you will know that when you plant a crop in your farm it will be the same kind of seed but when weeds start to grow it will be different kind. So Jesus already taught what Paul is saying here that the different sects are Satan's agents not Christians! Matt 13:38

Note Paul's wise choice of words, he said "among YOU" instead of saying "among US" which means the differences is not of God but of the devil.

This sir, is VERY FALSE.

You know that verses and chapters weren't in Paul's letters right? it was just one long thing written to his audience

NKJV 1Co 11:2: "² Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you."

He was praising them for keeping the traditions as delivered unto them! He then called them "brethren"! These are UNDOUBTEDLY Christians! No doubt at all! Notice he used "you" and not "we" when talking to them, and yet they were no doubt believers...

Now few verses down, same audience, same letter, same people, same BRETHREN (notice also that Paul didn't put verses in, translators did that, meaning he was yet talking to the very same people!)

NKJV 1Co 11:17: "¹⁷ Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse."

He, talking to these same Christians, although he said he'll praise them for keeping other instructions he passed unto them, said he WILL NOT praise them this time around! Doesn't mean the audience has changed to unbelievers, just that the same people, SAME BELIEVERS, who were obedient to certain truths were not obedient this time around! They remain the same believers, even tho he said "You" again in referring to them! This is merely a matter of consistency, where he was using "You" to refer to believers, he cannot suddenly use "we"! Notice also be said "You come together"... So what happens when these believers who were obedient to other truths elsewhere but disobedient to these particular ones come together as he's said?

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

Again, these are BELIEVERS coming together as the context has shown! The same audience in verse 1 is the same audience in verse 17 and the same audience in these verses! You sir are wrong. Paul identifies them as BELIEVERS who were obedient to certain truths but stumbled in others! "You" or "we" is of no consequence, just for consistency, they remain believers regardless. When THESE BELIEVERS/BRETHREN come together there are divisions!

When you use parables, use them carefully. You cannot ignore the original context first of all, before bringing a parable from somewhere else.

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 9:29am On Jun 04, 2022
Again, the dates are given in the publications listed on the site, and I've seen them myself! The phone and the browser I'm currently using make it impossible for me to do so at this time, but I am mighty surprised that despite it being given on the site you still ask that it be posted here!

Anyways, I'm usually more concerned with proving from scripture what's right and wrong, which is why i referred to someone else who has put in the work. I don't concern myself with such things as those. It will never be my priority, ever!

It is a simple matter to show that current doctrine of JWs are very false. I've done this and would do this again. This I concern myself with, rather than looking thru publications for failed prophecies. I refer to them so that those that need them can put in the work also, and take them from there

MaxInDHouse:

Stupidity is not an insult my guy, just prove that you've not been stupid by pasting on this thread any publication of JWs where a specific date has been mentioned in line with the common accusation that this group prophesied the end of the world with dates.
Thank you! cheesy

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 8:06am On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Now you've shown your true colour so all the followers of this thread can see that you've noticed how stupid you are

Abeg no be fight na! smiley

We have always disagreed without going down to insults. We will again do so.

Cheers
Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 7:46am On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
It's like i need to TEACH you guys why Jesus laid so much emphasis on UNITY among his disciples! John 17:20-23

Jesus commissioned Christianity not for each individual to seek his personal goal Sir that's why he told us that each person should pray in secret to God if we're asking for personal needs {Matt 6:6} but we must pray together when it comes to the assignment he gave us, Jesus assured that he will come into our midst because that's what really concern him not earthly things each person desires! Matt 18:20

So if all of you belong to different sects how are you people going to WORK together like the first century Christians who had to report to the Apostles and elders Jerusalem about how it goes! Act 15:2; 16:4

That's why JWs are united and globally doing God's will today but you guys are confused so instead of going out to do the work you're here arguing over the contradictions Satan created in your midst! wink


1 Cor 11:18-19. You will forever dodge this scripture in all your comments, and will always fail to address it like i have, because doing so will reveal your religion for what it truly is.

Ok lemme now dare you. Address what this scripture says. You cannot. And that is no sign enough to you.

Issokae

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 7:21am On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Bring your evidence where a specific date was mentioned in any JW publications by pasting the screenshot. All what you can see critics talking about are years when JWs preaching got intense about the coming of God's Kingdom, for your information that's exactly why 99.9% of Jews will never take John the baptist or Jesus of Nazareth seriously because they thought all their gragra during the first century never brought an end to the world neither did God's kingdom they're talking about come for almost 2,000 years.
So Jehovah's Witnesses are doing exactly the same thing now [b]they never made mention of any specific date i.e. (4-6-2022) smiley



Do you know what, who or where Kobojunkie was thought? Perhaps you know about the group NNTR associates with at least those guys are in total disagreement with you and that's a good sign of BETTER PERFORMING GROUPS than JWs! cheesy

If you didn't see them mention specific dates, if you didn't see the exact publications, I really can't help you to paste them here. That was a thorough job, complete with publications where they appeared. I will NOT repeat that job here

I've already addressed this issue of "better performing group" so much that i don't think I need to repeat myself anymore

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 4:02am On Jun 04, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


In the first century there were various rival religious groups among the Jews, all of them agreed that Jesus and his disciples are teaching heresy but they can't agree among themselves like Jesus' disciples did! John 17:22
Romans 16:17 compare to 1Corin 1:10 smiley

Sigh. Where did you put 1 Cor 11:18-19 that i quoted? You just threw it away to bring in these that do not relate to what you are saying at all!

Ok let's have a look. The scriptures you gave speak of Paul asking them to AVOID divisions, but the one i gave asked them to EMBRACE them, stating that they MUST occur. Obviously then, context would be different, and we have to see which is best suited to JWs so-called "unity" such that they cannot see false doctrine if it exists, but always just agree with each other and follow each other into complete error. Let's take your scriptures first:

NKJV Ro 16:17: "¹⁷ Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them."

In this case, there were ppl whose "work" was to cause divisiveness btw people and make them offended! As in, these ppl were "professional" trouble makers! They were noted for what they always did! This isn't the case of some RANDOM set of ppl today seeing doctrine differently from others, such that they needed to know who was right, and who was "approved". No, they were a certain DEFINITE set of persons each time, who had one job only: to divide God's people! Of course they were to mark and avoid them na, who should associate with known trouble makers? This DOES NOT apply to "unity of beliefs regarding doctrine" in which you're trying to force it to apply to as it is merely the case of avoiding trouble makers, not "always agreeing with each other" even in doctrinal errors!

NKJV 1Co 1:10-12: "¹⁰ Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. ¹¹ For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. ¹² Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”"

I'm not sure I need to say too much about this either. It is certainly worrisome if someone decided to say "I follow Paul not like you that follows Jesus" or "I follow Apollos instead". This EXACTLY was the error Paul was confronting! If this were you, would you commend that type of division? Certainly not! But again, this is obviously not of the same sort of "unity" being spoken of where everyone claims to be following Jesus but then go on to harbor doctrinal errors! When some people are segregating to the extent of saying they DO NOT follow Christ but Paul there's a huge problem way beyond doctrinal issues that must be resolved!

Now finally to where division is PROMISED amongst believers:

NKJV 1Co 11:18-19: "¹⁸ For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. ¹⁹ For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

According to this scripture, there MUST exist this type of factions AMONG TRUE BELIEVERS! If this type is missing amongst your organisation, there is a very serious problem. You may not be true Christians after all, for this MUST exist amongst them!

Now in this particular case, the division is all about KNOWING WHICH AMONGST THE BELIEVES HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM GOD in relation to proper worship of God as he had commanded; in fact this particular case was about the Lord's supper! And so Paul had to first set their doctrine right, so that their act of worship can now become right! Again, this sort of division MUST OCCUR amongst true Christians, and is even healthy! As has been said, this occurred all the time in the early church, such that letters had to be written to address the matters and to show what's right.

So when talking of unity/division amongst JWs such that they follow each other into error, believing errors with one mind, with nobody able to spot what's wrong ever? Which of these cases are applicable? This is the question you should have asked before using scripture!

- it isn't a case of "professional" trouble makers such that certain persons who take it as work to find trouble are to be noted and avoided, no! Romans 16:17 you quoted is NOT applicable here!

- neither is it a case of sects springing up unto different people, with some claiming to follow others apart from Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 1 you word is again NOT applicable here!

- it is CERTAINLY a case of proper/improper worship due to understanding of doctrine such as was addressed in 1 Cor 11! The type of division that MUST occur among true believers so that those whose understanding of God's word and practice of it is approved by God can be clearly seen!

When you use scripture, please use it properly...

This type of disagreement is healthy according to scripture. It MUST occur amongst true believers. There's something wrong with your organization where everybody is of the same mind even with doctrine so that y'all follow each other into error without having any way to know. This is anti-scripture. It is NOT how the true church of God operates. Your organization is FALSE!

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:27pm On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Nobody gave you any specific date, neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses. All are just proclaiming the end of the world! smiley

For everyone who may be deceived to believe what was said here, pls go thru this link: https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php

Very extensive. There you will see links and proof of various dates JWs set, how they were also not honest over time, changing up things they said as tho they never said them. Right from their own publications. It's all there


MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah!
If you say JWs are poisoning their members with SHAM {John 6:61-65} and so many left the organization {John 6:66} can't you present a better group? John 6:67-68 cheesy

Every other group is better, but that's not the point. I had already shown you it never has been about "better performing group" (as judged by your own set of rules/standard that your group set for itself; of course you'll score high by your own rules na!). A certain man was not part of the apostles "group", yet Jesus said he was yet for them (John 9:38-40). Jesus will at the end of ages judge people INDIVIDUALLY for their own works, NOT the group they belonged to.

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 10:17pm On Jun 03, 2022
Well said!

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Your foolishness and hypocrisy irks me as it irked the Lord Jesus when He encountered your fathers. You've been glibly quoting the High Priestly prayer of our Lord to achieve your selfish gains. What do you think stops any believer from quoting same? Are you aware, have you read that the prayer was for all who believe in Jesus and not for some cult Jwickedness?

Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 
Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 


He was praying for the Unity of His Body, the church, believers, not for the cult hall of asleep salesmen. You should not be so myopic as not to know that various bodies and organisations have unity and are one in what they do. Unity is a prayer for the church, not a sign that it is the church, don't be fooled. As beautiful as unity is, the people at the tower of Babel were united. There are brands, banks, political parties, International organisations and religious organisations that are and claim to be united in what they do. It is not a sole claim of your denomination. Muslins also claim it all over the world and most of their teachings are largely same. Hindus, Budhists and many other idolaters claim unity. Many of the orthodox churches also claim unity within each other. Many pentecostal denominations also claim unity so i don't really see why you behave like an ostrich everytime. Open your eyes and look around you.

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 4:43pm On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
@ Mikee19
I know you have lots of thought provoking questions in your mind but be rest assured that i Maximus have asked and received much more {Matt 7:7-8} than you can think of before i believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught today! smiley

You doctrine is FALSE, and you have NO WAY to know it. I do not have questions sir. Only God's word. Your doctrine CANNOT answer for it, but sadly you have just shown just why it is hard for a JW to acknowledge the truth of God's word. Because you must always be in "unity", having no ability whatsoever to disagree with teaching of the organization, but must always agree, even when it may be erroneous. You simply have no ability to disagree with anything you're taught but must hold on to it as truth, even when it may be false

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Religion / Re: Can God Reconcile With Devil by Mikee19(m): 4:39pm On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

SHAM can't produce positive results {Matthew 7:16-18} so something is wrong in your thought!

Haba naw! Sham cannot produce something that has a form of godly devotion ( 2 Tim 3:5)? No naw... How do you poison a rat? If you put it on bare floor, will rat eat it? Must it not be on well garnished food to attract the rat to its death? How can someone be pulled in by false religion by Satan without something good to attract him? Why r you talking like this? Can something that looks very bad draw a person in? What's the proportion of poison with the great looking food that kills a rat? isn't the poison only small, with much more great food? undecided

For sham to deceive, there must be good. PLENTY good! This is in order!

MaxInDHouse:
Their inspiration was for a purpose which is to complete God's message to mankind (Bible) that's why Paul said everything they were inspired to write were in parts {1Corin 13:9} so after the completion of God's word (Bible) all those GIFTS ceased {1Corin 13:8} that's why LOVE for God's word is what helped the JWs to achieve what you're seeing today not perfection {1Corin 13:13} you can never find a single publication where JWs mentioned a DATE regarding the end of the world but they keep proclaiming it just as John and Jesus did some 2,000 years ago! Matt 3:2; 4:17

Ha, not so ooo! Dates plenty now, haba! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Very embarrassingly plenty sef. pls ooo...

MaxInDHouse:
So imagine you were alive back then and you grew so old to the age of 98 years like Apostle John will you still respond enthusiastically when Jesus said: "Yes! I'm coming quickly " ?
Well listen to what John the Apostle said in response to Jesus who said this same thing some 60 years earlier: "Amen! Come Lord Jesus" Revelations 22:20
My guy neither John the baptist nor Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses organization mentioned any specific date but they all kept proclaiming the end of the world! smiley

This date issue! Haba!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus performed great miraculous works and his teachings was perfect yet all his disciples left at a time they felt he's spewing gibberish except the twelve apostles. John 6:66-67
So why do the apostles stay behind?
Peter answered the way i will ask you today!

Have you found any better performing group that's fulfilling what God promised in the Bible than Jehovah's Witnesses today?

Peter told Jesus that even though many Jewish Rabbis were claiming they know God's word but none has teachings that's yield positive results like Jesus of Nazareth! John 6:68-69 smiley

No sir. Peter's issue was not "to where" they could go, but "to whom"! It was NEVER about any "better performing group" sir. It was NOT about ANY GROUP AT ALL for that matter, greatly performing or not! Even if there was a "better performing group", they still won't go there, because this was NOT about a group, BUT ABOUT THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST!

They said, "To WHOM shall we go", they didn't say "to WHERE"! Jesus is the messiah, so they can only go TO HIM!

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