anitank: Ok am so not doing this. Am soo out of here before I get brain-washed into throwing my bible into d trash bin.

One thing tho: God's sovereignty reigns over ALL........including science

Are you afraid of stepping out of the box?

tevinsolt: you can't compare science to the bible two different things......just so you know, we have only 4% knowledge of the universe

4%? how do you knw this?

aryzgreat: @ SEUN! THIS IS BLASPHEMY! BE-HEAD THOSE WHO COMPARE HOLY BIBLE TO SCIENCE! THIS DENIGRATES D HOLY BOOK! BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!

Shut it

Zeus I: No. Science is borrowing from the bible instead. Scientific evolution is a complete farce and they end up concuring with the bible afterall.

How? concuring where with the bible?

lagerwhenindoubt:
Now F'ing way - Frosbel is a girl a very Brave and Bold one at that

plaetton:

The idea of membership might compromise the very freedom, the sovereignty of my mind that I chersish so much.

But masonry claims to be fashioners of men. They claim the ability refine the human ego from beasts to men, from gross matter to fine gold.
As keepers of historical secrets , masonry is certainly appealing.

I'll like us to someday discuss some your ideas and views on some subjects...good no?

mkmyers45:

Ok I have created a thread for just you and i...

Here: https://www.nairaland.com/1050520/truthislight-come-show-us-truth

I am waiting

JeSoul: There isn't any limit stipulated under NL rules. And at the same time posting a bunch of topics can be defined as spamming. Why do you ask?

Just asking...

Thanks

Godsave9ja: Big Sorry to our leaders, why because they don't have the brain to rule 9ja. If we have ATM that dispenses coins, is it an achievement? what can we use the coin to buy.
Make Naira solid, say N50 = $1 then we will be in business.

and how do you expect that to be possible if necessary steps are not put in place?

Dee60: Attention Deficit Disorder can make a person to continually release novel things (even when they are not noble) so that they can generate a lot of criticisms and thereby get all the attention they crave for. Is CBN not suffering from this? For how long shall Nigerians bear with these nonsensical things?

Exactly how much will it cost banks to acquire the newest craze? Are the coins ATMs going to be in addition to the current ones or would they have to start replacing their ATMs again?

There are more questions. May be for now we should assume they didn't mean it?

Didnt you read the op? Its an add-on feature

4reigningqueen: why do this people like treating us as if we do not know anything,imagine telling us that they want us to learn how to use coins.abeg NA BY FORCE!!!

Yes, it is by force...Coin culture is highly beneficial to the strength of a currency

How many threads can one open in a day and at what time interval?

PAGAN 9JA:


starvation and drought has not been very consistent among African societies in past years. it is only now that we here the problem escalating so drastically. what about the Mayans they had one of the most thriving agro-based economy compared with all other american civilizations.

What ended the civilization? Starvation and Drought of course contributed..remember they lived around lowlands

@OP

Just prepare for a physical contest...emotional maturity and a high level of competitiveness is also required

chii8: U gat to be physcially strong n fit,swim well,run as fast as possible,n have God as ur lead

God? He takes pleasure in such trivial matters? I didn't know

Usisky welcome back...I hope you havent forgotten our thread

https://www.nairaland.com/1012629/quranist-jesus-passed-away

Cheers

PAGAN 9JA:


dry season. or sometimes in rainy season when it is late or fails completely as of drought.

why would anyone in their right mind, invoke the Spirits during the rains

but ofcourse, you cant just call for rains just for fun, during the winter, say. there should be a purpose (conext) to do it. generally for farming uses.

I am sorry but rainmaking is all washy...Indeed critical study of African and Other Culture show that starvation and drought is a constant problems of civilizations e.g Mayans upon all thier rainmakers and gods

PAGAN 9JA:
if done in the right ritual and context, a rain can be brought about by influencing the Spiritual Forces. it is very common in Traditional Religions all over the world. i have bor witness on many such occassion.

A'ina? Rainy or Dry Season?

Its all a sham...I dare any rainmaker to go to sahara desert and make it rain ...How can you be a rain maker in a rainforest with 9-10 months wet season?

k2039: I dont care what the article says,I think the article is meant for the atheist on nairaland.


As far as am concerned whether science proves that the earth is 6000 years or 4:54 billion years,it still doesnt change the fact that God created the heavens and the earth.

You seem very bold in throwing around that word...anyway did you read the article?

Here I present a new analysis of old (1986) argon retention data from the same borehole that provided helium retention data for the Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE) research initiative.1 The deepest part (4.56 km) of the borehole was hot enough to cause more than a 20% loss of radioactivity-generated argon-40 from feldspar in the granitic basement rock, conventionally dated to be 1.5 Ga old. Data and equations from the 1986 article show that at the present temperature (313°C) at that depth, it would take only 5,100 (+3,800/-2,100) years for the feldspar to lose that much argon. This supports the 6,000 (± 2,000) year helium diffusion age that RATE found for zircons in the same borehole.

Old article interprets argon data oddly


In a recent letter to this journal,2 Gary Loechelt, a critic of the RATE helium project, focused my attention on a paper about past temperatures in the borehole (figure 1) that provided the helium data we used. In 1986 the Journal of Geophysical Research published the article,3 by T. Mark Harrison, Paul Morgan, and David D. Blackwell, three geoscientists at three U.S. universities. It was one of three articles I had cited about the temperature issue. Readers can see my detailed review of all three articles in my recent letter replying to Loechelt.4 As I focused on the 1986 article, I saw that it appeared to ignore the heat that a nearby volcano would have provided to the borehole during the alleged one million years (1.04 Ma) since its last ash eruption. Instead, its authors thought (along with Loechelt) that the temperatures in the borehole were relatively low, e.g. at 2.9 km depth falling below 130°C 870 Ma ago and reaching 87°C more than a million years ago. Then only twenty thousand years ago, they claimed, the temperatures rose dramatically, by more than 100°C, up to the high values observed today.

Here I will show that their argon diffusion data favor an age of only 5,100 (+3,800/-2,100) years.

This seemed quite odd to me, especially since a 1978 study5 by the authors’ Los Alamos colleagues showed that the nearby volcano would heat the borehole up to within 50°C of today’s temperatures, maintaining that high temperature for (allegedly) the last 0.8 Ma. The temperature would have been a lot more if the magma body causing the volcano had been somewhat closer to the borehole than they assumed in that model. Confirming the latter, a 1989 study6 of fluid inclusions in the rock gave data (not theory) that past temperatures in the borehole had peaked at levels about 50°C higher than today’s levels. By conventional uniformitarian dating, the peak would have been about 0.9 Ma ago. I would have thought that Harrison et al. would be quite aware of the possibility of such heating from the volcano. So why did they want the borehole to be relatively cool (e.g. 87°C at a depth of 2.9 km) until very recently? Why did they ignore the volcano?

I will show below that it was probably because they knew borehole minerals could not have retained the observed large percentages of argon for hundreds of millennia at anywhere near today’s high borehole temperatures. Much more argon would have diffused out of the minerals. Here I will show that their argon diffusion data favor an age of only 5,100 (+3,800/-2,100) years. That strongly supports the helium diffusion age RATE found for zircons in the same borehole, 6,000 (± 2,000) years.7

Feldspar from hottest parts of borehole lost some argon

In the laboratory, the first argon emerging from a sample comes from the outermost parts of the crystals. Argon emerging later comes from deeper within the crystals. The 39Ar, having been produced in the reactor from 39K, is uniformly distributed throughout the crystals. But the 40Ar comes from 40K decaying in situ over a long time. If any 40Ar has leaked out of the crystals in situ, it will have come from the outer parts first. So any diffusion taking place down in the hot rock will leave the outer parts of the feldspar crystals depleted in 40Ar.

Harrison et al. examined this issue by plotting ‘age spectra’ in their figure 2. Their graph showed, for each of the five samples, the 40Ar-based ‘age’ on the vertical axis and the percent (of the eventual total) 39Ar released on the horizontal axis. My figure 3 reproduces the curve for the deepest sample, number 5, adding the shading and annotation. The ‘age’ values of course depend on the assumption that nuclear decay rates have always been at their present slow rates. The peak of 1,160 Ma shows that over ‘one billion years’ worth’ of 40K to 40Ar decay occurred in situ. RATE hypothesized that occurred during several episodes of accelerated nuclear decay in the past, the more recent one being during the year of the Genesis Flood. We also hypothesized an accelerated cooling mechanism that would get rid of much of the resulting radiogenic heat.11

Figure 2 by Harrison et al. shows that the curves for samples 1, 2, and 3 rose almost immediately to their maximum value. They estimated that sample 3 had lost less than 2% of its 40Ar, and that samples 1 and 2 lost even less than that. Sample 4 showed a somewhat slower rise, representing a nominal 5% loss. But the authors thought that value was small enough to have been greatly perturbed by other factors:

“The combination of the small amount of 40Ar* [asterisk indicates radiogenic] together with some absorbed excess 40Ar … results in poor resolution of the outgassing event.”

However, the authors have more confidence in the estimate of the losses from the fifth sample (the one I show in my figure 3 above):

“This sample has apparently lost about 20% 40Ar* in response to the recently elevated temperatures.”

My figure 3 shows why I think ‘20%’ is a slight underestimate of the argon loss. The ratio of the areas in the lightly-shaded and dark-shaded regions should give the ratio of 40Ar lost to 40Ar retained. The intersection of the dashed ‘1/2 Max’ line with the dotted curve should specify the area ratio fairly well. The intersection occurs at 25%, not 20%. The 0.2 Max and 0.8 Max horizontal lines (not shown here) intersect the dotted curve at 19% and 33%. I will use these values below to estimate an error range for the age. I’ve included my estimated 25% loss as a fraction in the bottom of the right-hand column of table 1. I put the losses Harrison et al. estimated in the other rows of the column. I’ve put parentheses around the less accurate values.

http://creation.com/argon-diffusion-age

What do you all think? Anyone interested can read the full article...

Pi is 3.0? * "And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it about. (I Kings 7, 23)"

This would show that a diameter of ten cubits leads to a circumference of thirty cubits, yielding a value of 3.0 for the mathematical unit of Pi -- a value used in calculating everything from how to manufacture your coffee cup, to how to manage the pixels in your monitor, to the physics of the orbits of the satellites that give us the eye on the weather as well as tranfer data, etc. Well, the value is actually a transcendental number that starts 3.14159 . . .

truthislight:

open a thread for this if you can and the Answer will come in the first post by any of fresky, Ijawkid, or me and with enough evidence to backed it up.

We dont wish to derail this thread and please dont derail this thread.

Go, please and look for where the bible makes scintific statment that you feel is wrong. Please.

Ok I have created a thread for just you and i...

Here: https://www.nairaland.com/1050520/truthislight-come-show-us-truth

From our long term contentions on this forum i besiege you to come and hence show us that which is absolutely true and since you claim privy to such knowledge...I indulge you to come and in plain words show us the truth in relation to the christian God and his word

Assumptions for the basis of argument:

- There is a God/Source/Maker etc etc

- This said God is the God of the whole bible

Hence i begin with three questions that are beginning for definitions:

- Who is a true christian?

- What is Scripture,How do we verify scripture?, What is the difference between Scripture and the Bible?

- How did we get the Bible?

tobechi20:

in those days, everytin round was considerd as circle. There was notin like oval or sphere.

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

truthislight:

when was that Isaiah written?
and please cite any where the word sphere was use in the hebrews scriptures befor that Isaiah statement.

If you should come out to make that statement, you should be ready to defend it.

Else, stop exposing your ign....

Besides, is that all you've got?

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

truthislight:

expanse above = heaven depending on context.
Psalm 103:11.
Proverbs 25:3.
Isaiah 55:9
Gen 7:11
all refers to expanse above.

How and why should you imagine that the book that says that the earth is hanging on nothing was referring to God's throne?

the people had the intention of getting to heaven to see God and not that God had asked them to build the tower.
They had a wrong knowledge.
What they did was not God instruction.

The Vers only shows that if something is not done to stop them nothing will stop them from forging ahead in their vain pursuit of seeing God.
This was in position to God's express command to man to populate the whole earth and not to gather at a place(tower)

the king nimrod was a HATER of God and was doing things in position to God the bible says.

Try another.

So indeed they would have seen god no?

ijawkid:

Deep down u knw how old d bible is and for hw long it has survived.....

U shuld know.....or shuld I tell u??

I am asking kindly..WHO wrote the book of Job and when?

truthislight:

why not read this, 2peter 3:8

Aday = 1kyears

Ok, but the book of Jubilee actually works with a literal 6-day creation as pointed by Holy Ghost filled Olaadegbu...

truthislight:

when was that Isaiah written?
and please cite any where the word sphere was use in the hebrews scriptures befor that Isaiah statement.

If you should come out to make that statement, you should be ready to defend it.

Else, stop exposing your ign....

Besides, is that all you've got?

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

truthislight:

you a catholics surprise me.

You are suppose to know the writer of Job.

Please stay on the topic. Cause i know you very well, it is now your intent to lead this discussion to a different angle.

You wish to derail this thread.

If your question is not about science and the bible dont ask.

Common "RUN" you seem to be of no good as a christian.

I for one will not answer any question that is not about science and the bible on this thread.

Oga mi no vex o but i am not a catholic o..poince of colection

Genesis 11:1-9 The Tower of Babel
1 Now the whole world had one
language and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them
thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and
not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from
there over all the earth, and they
stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel —
because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the
face of the whole earth. Not only these verses are seriously very insulting to the Almighty because they present Him as a GOD who feared men, but they also reveal a very serious scientific blunder through suggesting that the earth is both flat and sitting still in the universe