obadiah777: i dont quite remember collecting a penny from anyone. funny how you use the picture of the man who is about to bring your destruction as a smilie.

Lmao, true talk. Nimrod

gcfr.com:
hehehe. You and your deranged cohorts, using the bible to scam some innocent pple. Lmao. Your days re numbered. Nairaland prophets of doom. Enuf with all the "dayuum scoffer n sh-t" its just too dumb. Go get something doing with your miserable lives n stop misleading n reading the bible upside down, I believe God will still have mercy n both of you.
PS. The person liking my comment shud stop abeg. I no wan come back to this sh-it hole.

obadiah777: hehe ma nigga. that warrior spirit came over you brah lmao.

looool exactly, the truth is i watched an Hebrew Israelite video and they were saying all the things the Gentiles did to Israel. I read her reply when i was through with the video, i shouldnt be aggressive, am not like that, i can see the effect that video had on me .

Ishilove:
Are you an obadiah clone or an obadiah copycat?

I dont think am gone answer that. pack well joor nah just kidding, spiritual clone if i may say. we have the same purpose miss, we are on the same mission, we should look alike dont you think so? Christians think Jesus is God, but the truth is they are two different beings with one purpose. now that is how it is

gcfr.com:
Very soon Lord almighty Nahum/obadiah will start deciding who will make heaven/hell. Bs.

Mr President:

I do not subscribe to this post.

hey Mr President wata gwan she came at me first, anyway i was wrong i agree, something came over me jare. TEXANOMALY am sorry, yes you are one of us, i was wrong to say such things to you, like i said the way you responded it made me remember the past and then i was furious. hope you can forgive me though.

InesQor:
I see. You have to back this up though.

- What tribe in Israel was he from?
- And where in Israel was called the land of Uz, Job's hometown?

We thankfully know these about the land of Uz; it was attacked by Sabeans and Chaldeans (Job 1:15,17), and one of Job's friends, Eliphaz, came from Teman (Job 4:1), which is in Idumea (also called Edom) thus Uz was most likely in Arabia or in Bashan south of the Damascus. I'll love to see you place it in Israel.

- What about Melchizedek, Jethro, Rahab and Ruth? Conveniently ignored in your response?

InesQor:
If Job, Melchizedek, Jethro, Rahab and Ruth were Israelites then obviously you are not speaking of a geographical Israel. I guess I can understand that your personal religious persuasion allows for a non-geographical worldview on what Israel is or was.

But here we are talking about WORLD RACES so I am talking about a geographical Israel. So, all respect to your religious views but your response detracts from the point I was making.

Alwaystrue:
It was obvious you did not read my post then but jumped in mid way:
What I was trying to bring out was the link between the races then (demarcated by God's people and Other nations) and believers /unbelievers today....it is not about races but about believing God (Jew or gentile).

InesQor:
Where does your timeline place Job then? What about Melchizedek, Jethro, Rahab and Ruth? These were all non-Hebrew believers so what is your point, sir?

InesQor:
Word.

After all there were people like Job in the East who served God diligently and yet was not in the racial line of Abraham. There were people all of the world serving and worshipping God so being a non-Israelite did not DEFINITELY mean you were an unbeliever.

Nuances again.

Nah Nah Nah, until the death of Christ all gentiles were heathens, they are still heathens though. I cant type much my battery is down. Off i go, i can see Obadiah viewing this thread. Okay now he will throw more light for sure.

Alwaystrue:
They were called heathen. Not hard to figure.

Alwaystrue:
So it is still applicable today, isn't it? What fellowship does light have with darkness, can two walk together except they agree, believers and unbelievers (not races) do not mix but Paul still has something to say about that. In the OT the Israelites were like today's believers while other raves (gentiles) were unbelievers. Very clear.
So the onus lies on the believer not to mix with the unbeliever, if he or she goes ahead, he/she has already CONTRADICTED God's word on that and will bear the consequences. But still that is not grounds for divorce (that is what I meant by 'respect') as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16

InesQor:

If you are a honest person, you know that the sample space of marriages in the Bible is not THAT LARGE that I will have "practical proofs" of marriages that God did not approve of. It is not as if the Bible is a book on marriages. And if I give real-life examples they will be deemed anecdotal.

Thankfully I do have one instance.

In Numbers 25, God praised Phineas for punishing an Israelite prince. And what was the prince's offence? He married a Midianite woman, this was at a time when Midianites were in exile and their women were seeking refuge.

So will you answer my question now?

Alwaystrue:
Thank you. No matter how anyone tries to justify it, the bible is clear. God will force anyone to obey Him that is why we all hvea choice.

Leviticus 21:14
A widow, or a divorced woman, or a woman who has been defiled, or a prostitute, these he shall not marry. But he shall take as his wife a virgin of his own people,
Applicable to both men and women though but any woman (man) falls either into:

Widow/widower - Spouse is dead
Divorcee - Been put away
Defiled or raped - forceful
Prostitute - consenting due to lust for money or pleasure or any gain
Wife/Husband - Noone can fault this
Virgin - Kept


I Corinthians 7:8-9
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.
9 But if they cannot exercise SELF-CONTROL, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion

1 Corinthians 7:36
If anyone thinks that he is not behaving properly toward his betrothed, if his passions are strong, and it has to be, let him do as he wishes: let them marry—it is no sin.

Self-Control is a fruit of the spirit. Even bethrothals (people set to marry) are told to marry so they do not give in to their passions before time. What more proof is required that the marriage bed should not be defiled for God will judge those who go against His will.
What is the key thing in a wedding...the GIVING AWAY, LEAVING to CLEAVE.

texanomaly:

Who is Satan?

texanomaly:

Of coarse he does. How would he know how to trip us up if he didn't? Do we not use the Bible as our guide? Would it not behoove him to know what he needs to do to get us on his side? How would know the opposite of what is good, if he does not know what is good?

texanomaly:

You argue with anyone who doesn't believe the way you do. You are the aggressor here sir. I read the bible prayfully. I am the least arrogant person you are likely to meet.

i see, your replies says differently . Nah i dont. And secondly i speak with facts , i dont engage in conversations I know nothing about. And yes I can be aggressive when Edomites try to teach me the bible. Prayerfully? Wel dayummmmm, your own opinion you mean?. In the other thread you said Satan understands the bible?. Well nah you sabi, i rest my case.

sandijey:

They are not as white as mine!!!!!!!!

wel dayummmmmm... I pray oo

texanomaly:

Your first paragraph told me you didn’t read my post. You still have no clue what that chapter, much less that particular verse is about. Your reply has nothing to do with what I posted, or that chapter or verse. It is clear you wish to remain ignorant, and that you have no intention of actually reading the Bible, so I will not bother to respond to your ‘so called’ rebuttal.

sandijey:

Why are u shinning your teeth?

i gat nothing to hide, they are whiter than hypo bleach.

texanomaly:
Really? You think satan doesn't understand the Bible? He wan't to make sure we all join him. He is very clever. Do you think for an instant he does not know and understand the Bible better than all of us? Every successful military man knows his enemy better than they know themselves. This is war. He knows the bible backwards and forwards. He understands every word, and knows how to use it to his advantage. Don't underestimate the devil. It could be a crucial mistake.

texanomaly:

Who is talking, and what he is talking about, is of the utmost importance here. Context clues are crucial. How do you know what is being said, if you don’t know who is talking, or what it is about. It is important to know what is going on, so that what Eliphaz is saying makes sense. No Christ is not talking here. Nor is Job. What Eliphaz is saying to Job in this chapter is for his good, as well as ours.



There are some parts of scripture that speak directly to us. They give us direction. Some parts, however, are not so direct. It is easy to get confused, if we do not know what is going on. Context is crucial in some instances. As is the case here. This is what I meant in an earlier thread, when I said that I read the scriptures like a book sometimes, and other times I do subject study. It is important to read cover to cover and to pick a subject.

To help move things along, I will use the synopsis at the beginning of each chapter.

In chapter 1 we find Job, a just and perfect man, who is blessed with great riches. Satan obtains permission from the Lord to tempt and try Job. (Satan believes he can turn Job against God) Job’s property and children are destroyed, and yet he praises and blesses the Lord.


In chapter 2 Satan obtains permission from the Lord to afflict Job physically. Job is smitten with boils. Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar come to comfort him.


In chapter 3 poor Job curses the circumstances of his birth. He asks, "Why died I not from the womb?
Job says, “Oh why couldn’t I have died at birth?”


Which brings us to chapter 4.
Eliphaz reproves Job, asking such questions as, Are the righteous cut off? Shall a man be more pure than his maker?

Note Eliphaz is asking Job a question. What is the question, and why is he asking it? Let’s look at the verses before 7.


Job Chapter 4

1 Then Eliphaz the Temanite answered and said,

Chapter 3 three is full of Job belly aching about the situation in which he finds himself. Finally in the last verse he says, (Job 3:26) I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came. He is saying, “I went out to spread the word. Even when it was dangerous. I worked to the point of fatigue. I was not quite. I spread the word, like I was supposed to.” Now he says, “Yet here I am. All these terrible things have happened to me.”
Take note, he is a righteous man yet he is afflicted. He is not being punished for anything.

2 If we assay to commune with thee, wilt thou be grieved? but who can withhold himself from speaking?

Then Eliphaz says, “Dude, don’t be mad, but I gotta say something here.”

3 Behold, thou hast instructed many, and thou hast strengthened the weak hands.

He goes on to say, “Your preaching has helping people gather strength.”

4 Thy words have upholden him that was falling, and thou hast strengthened the feeble knees.

He continues to tell Job of how he has strengthened others with his words.

5 But now it is come upon thee, and thou faintest; it toucheth thee, and thou art troubled.


Eliphaz throws Job’s words back at him by saying, “Now these bad things come upon you, and you fall apart. Dude, don’t be such a hypocrite.”

6 Is not this thy fear, thy confidence, thy hope, and the uprightness of thy ways?

Some other scripture references and definitions can help us here.

Confidence: Prov. 3:26 For the Lord shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.
Uprightness: rightiousness

Eliphaz says to Job, “You shouldn't be complaining. You should have faith in the Lord. You should have hope. You are a righteous man. Have no fear.”

I'll be honest. I’m not completely sure of the interpretation of this particular verse. If someone has a different one, please feel free to jump in here.

And here we are at the little verse that caused all the uproar…

7 Remember, I pray thee, who ever perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off?

Another cross reference might help here.

1 Cor. 10:13
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Eliphaz is saying, “Dude, God will never tempt you beyond what you can bear. You are a righteous (innocent) man. Do you think you are going to die? He is only testing your faith. Have you seen any righteous man ever cut off?

Now, if ever there were verses that coincide, somewhat, with what Obadiah is trying to say, 8-11 would be it. Except that Eliphaz is saying that the wicked will be destroyed. Job did nothing wrong. All these things that happened to him were to test his faith. The Lord was not punishing him for his bad deeds. He was a righteous man. I've been asked, "Why do bad things happen to good people." This is my answer, Satan has no reason to bother with the wicked. They belong to him already. It is the righteous, the ‘innocent’, that he concentrates his efforts on.

Mr President:



So Obadiah and Sandijey are exchanging emails, eh? hmmm

*keeps nodding head*

ATMC: obadiah777 of the greatest nairaland prophet...gbozaaa!!!! lmai answer abeg i get kuwestshon for yhu O jare

ask your kuwestshon.

texanomaly:

Do you honestly think he doesn't have other monikers?

He does but, its Buzugee apart from that he doesnt have any other moniker again. Only Obadiah777 and buzugee thats all

C.Ovo:


You read from the book of Exodus,then christianity wasn't in existence.If you're holding on to that bible passage then you're also saying having more than 1 wife isn't a sin. Read Gal 5:19 before you come and say rubbish

Pastor Olu T: This is the problem with all we want definition for everything, and anything that dont fit or fit into the concept our little mind created is taken or discarded as the case maybe.

Do not be deceived God cant be mocked, for whatever a man sows that he shall reap. If you sow to the flesh, u shall of the flesh reap corruption, and if you sow to the spirit u shall of the spirit reap life everlasting!