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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 10:22am On May 14, 2019
austinkenneth:

What about the working capital adjustment which is stated there? How did you adjust to it?

What value did you get in your calculation?

The consideration is N130b adjusted for Net Working Capital and Net Debt as at the 31st of March 2019

Net Working Capital = Current Asset - Current Liabilities
Current Asset = Inventories + Receivables + Prepayment + Cash = N69.496bn
Current Liabilities = Trade Payables + Borrowings + Curent Tax Payable = N70.936bn
Working Capital = N69.496bn - N70.936bn = -N1.44bn

Please note that Networking capital has factored in all the Cash and most of the debt.

Outstanding Net Debt = Long term Liabilities = Long Term Borrowing +Deferred Tax = -N2.44bn


Therefore Total Adjustment = Working Capital + Net Debt = -N1.44bn + -N2.44bn = -N3.88bn

So in my opinion the adjustment is N3.88bn
Adjustment per share = N3.88bn / 5billion share = N0.78 (ignoring the 5m shares owned by crown flour mills

final purchase price = N26 - N0.78 = N25.22

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 2:40pm On May 10, 2019
DOLLARTEX:
wetin concern cileasing with central bank?

Regulation. Leasing companies like finance houses are licensed and regulated by CBN.

https://www.cbn.gov.ng/out/2017/fprd/list%20of%20finance%20companies%20in%20nigeria%20as%20at%20january%2010,%202017.pdf
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 12:28pm On May 10, 2019
Coolcash1:


Another monkey hunter sighted.... grin

A monkey hunter spotter also sighted. grin

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 9:46am On Apr 10, 2019
rebekah2011:
United Securities has reduced its brokerage commission to 1%. I hope Morgan Capital will also step up too.

Dear Esteemed Client,

In our commitment to making client participation in the stock market activities easier, we have dropped brokerage commission across all executive channels from the statutory 1.35% to 1%. The reduced fees open the potential for cheaper trades and a better experience on our platform. The new commission is already in effect so you can trade at 1% commission right away.

Morgan Capital charges 0.5% which is half of this revised commission.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 10:59am On Apr 01, 2019
Chibuking81:


People seen not yet understand that Chams PLC result seems to be the best result so far, stock of 20 kobo with 8 kobo EPS and 3 kobo dividend, for now based on their price, they have better result than Zenith and Caverton, or is there anything am not understanding in their result?

You left out the Other Comprehensive Income of N571m to give a Total Comprehensive Income of N951m.

My problem though is that the profits due to one off items that might not repeat itself in future namely

1)The write back of excess VAT paid in previous years N560m (page 34 of the financials)
2) The revaluation of intanglible Asset N571m which was responsible for the Other Comprehensive Earning

Chams still has a negative retained earnings of N1.9bn so I wonder how they were able to declare 3k dividend for the year.

The company has been in the woods for a couple of years and their latest results does not convince me that they are out of the woods yet

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 11:45am On Mar 15, 2019
mendes911:


He may be referring to my post on ChiBuKing.

ChibuKing said we shouldn't buy UBA when it traded below N7, that it will still fall much more lower to N4 and below. Only for Chibuking to buy at above N7.70 and has been preaching about same stock, telling us 50% upside. What has changed in UBA? If that's not monkey hunting, I guess I don't know the meaning of Monkey Hunting.

He might be talking generally about a recent trend of people not giving stock suggestions but criticizing other people ideas. This makes people refrain from giving stocks suggestions which defeats the purpose of this thread.

Personally I would love a situation where if you think a stock pick is shitty, kindly give a better pick let us compare the performance of the shitty idea with your better pick.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 8:55am On Jan 17, 2019
valentinenwoko:
CI Leasing: Please explain how price was 8.29 instead of 7.12.i is 1:4 ratio reconstruction.plce was 1.78 trading before suspension

1.78 * 1.88b /404m = 8.29


Please note 1.88b / 404m = 4.65 so the exchange ratio is 1 : 4.65 not 1 : 4

Apparently CILeasing had 1.88b shares and not 1.617bn shares
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 9:58am On Jan 15, 2019
valentinenwoko:
Old I need explanation how CILeasing share price was arrived at N8.29. I thought it is 1:4 therefore price is N1.78*4=N7.12


Cileasing had a little reconcilliation problem. They assumed they had 1.6b shares while the exchange had 1.88bn shares in their own records.

If you reconstruct 1.88bn shares to 404m shares you get the N8.29 per share with a reconstruction ratio slightly less than 1:4.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 12:11pm On Jul 02, 2018
onegentleguy:


There is a 20% gain/loss possibility within a given trading day.
To illustrate;
Assuming a stock Y closed @ N5 on a market day.
...then given the new rule for a maximum 10% gain or loss, the stock can trade at price bands of plus or minus 10% when it opens for trade the next market day.
This means that the coy can drop to as low as 4.50 (which is a minus 10% loss) or move up to as high as 5.50 (which is a plus 10% gain).
A person who manages to buy at the price band low of 4.50 and sells the same day at the price band high of 5.50 has made a 20% gain. (5.5-4.5/5 x 100% = 20%).
...on the flip side, one can also lose 20% on the same day.

If ur using an online trading platform, u would've observed that there is a 10% price boundary both on the bid and offer side of trade.

I have since highlighted these rules long before now.

Regards.

22.22% actually ((5.5-4.5) /4.5 *100%)
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 12:44pm On Jun 28, 2018
Yayira:


What capital did she preserve ?
She bought at 2.30, sold at 2.31 tell me how she take preserve capital ?
2.39 was her exit price including charges..
All these small losses here and there they add up oo.. before you know your money don finish.
Is not as if she bought the worst stock... na people wey buy Japaul for they run up-and-down not she

break even is N2.3414 with Morgan Capital Securities

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 9:15am On Jun 20, 2018
DOLLARTEX:
the only concern I have on cileasing is the massive loan from abraag group.abraag group is presently having serious issues based on trust in Dubai.

The massive loan refers to the $10m convertible debt note held by Abraaj.

A little game theory here.

The options are Abraaj either redeems or converts to shares.

Abraaj is cash strapped and needs cash while C&I Leasing just raised N7bn from its bonds sale. Buying back the bonds is a good option for current shareholders of C&I leasing (including Management) as it avoids the potential dilutive effects of conversion to shares at the current price which grossly undervalues the Company.

Abraaj could however get bought over by Cerberus (talks are under way to buy to buy Abraaj Asset Management business for $165m). If this happens, the best option for Cerberus is to convert the bond to shares at the present market value as they are not under pressure to raise cash and will look for ways to optimize their investment portfolio. This will however shortchange current shareholder's due to the dilution of shares from the conversion.

The best option for the shareholders (including management) is for the share price to rise to a level reflective of the value in the company at which point they will be glad to have Abraaj convert debt to share as they plan to raise additional equity of N25bn in the near future anyway. This will also be fair to Abraaj givenn the growth potential of the company. From the document below, it is obvious that they intend to raise additional equity at about N3 per share (based on the amount to be raised and the shares available to be sold) so I suspect the share price will rise to at least N3.50 in the near future

https://www.c-ileasing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/NOTICE-OF-EXTRAORDINARY-GENERAL-MEETING.pdf
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 4:37pm On May 10, 2018
mendes911:


Why should this stock be trading more than Fidelity by this margin? On what basis are they enjoying this premium?

10% Free float owned by over 460k shareholders. 2 core shareholders own 89.32% of the bank.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 11:54am On May 10, 2018
rebekah2011:
Yes, you are correct Sir. But it now depends on what the the management now decides to do with the largesse from the dividend income received from its investment in StanbicIbtc Pension Managers. Watch out if they are spending it on acquisition of motor vehicles for the management , payment of bogus salaries and bonuses etc.

They put the dividend received in 2017 into Tbills buying N3bn worth of Tbills which falls under other financial assets.

They also have a listed equity portfolio of N4bn while the Pension manager stake is worth 11bn.
From all indications they did not waste the funds and they have the fire power to make some strategic investments for example, the dividend they receive in 1 year can buy a 5% stake in a tier two bank.

Please note that besides the dividend from Stanbic, the value of the linkage increases as the value of Stanbic PM increases.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 11:20am On May 10, 2018
rationalmind:


Fine result, may not be sustainable though going by Q1.

What's your fair price biko, mine is around 200% discount

cc:Mcy56 (Insurance food don land grin)

It is sustainable actually.

Linkage Assurance owns almost 12% of Stanbic IBTC Pension Managers which makes up the bulk of it's value.

Stanbic Pension Manager's will pay Linkage N2.5186 bn as dividend for 2017 which will reflect in the 2018 results. Stanbic is the market leader in the Pension Administration space and any body that buys linkage is indiirectly buying Stanbic Pension Manager's at a discount.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 1:23pm On May 09, 2018
NoMoney:


Guys please confirm the following for Fidelity Bank

Shares Outstanding
Market Cap
2017 PAT
PE Ratio


I seem to get a PE Ratio that is different from everybody else.

What I have is this.

Shares Outstanding : 28,974,797,023
Market Cap: 71,567,748,646.81
2017 PAT: 18,857
Total Comprehensive Income: 21,967
PE Ratio (based on PAT): 3.795
PE Ratio (based on TCI): 3.25

Kindly confirm if this is accurate. Some sources say that Fidelity has a PE Ratio of 2 which I don't understand.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 1:08pm On May 09, 2018
pluto09:



If I am to buy any bank outside of the tier 1, it will be Fidelity.

Guys please confirm the following for Fidelity Bank

Shares Outstanding
Market Cap
2017 PAT
PE Ratio


I seem to get a PE Ratio that is different from everybody else.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 11:34am On May 09, 2018
rationalmind:


This insurance people don dey try sha, result looks quite good on the surface.


It is much better under the surface.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 11:24am On May 09, 2018
Linkage Assurance Plc AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR THE YEAR ENDED 31 DECEMBER 2017 31 December 2017 31 December 2016 N'000 N'000 Gross Premium written 4,102,253 4,032,083 Net Premium Income 2,840,378 2,835,885 Underwriting Profit 456,861 980,791 Profit before Tax 2,925,541 942,682 Income Taxes (34,273) (398,118) Profit after Tax 2,891,268 544,564 Earnings Per Share (Kobo) 36.6 6.8 Dividend per share 5 Kobo Nil


Got this off a broker's portal

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 4:59pm On Apr 19, 2018
wanaj0:


Where is that person proclaiming that this company will pay some fat dividend? Lol

Present Sir.

Was disappointed at the lack of dividend as promised by the directors but I still have belief in the stock. I own substantial shares and will still be buying more given their prospect, 2017 financial performance and clarity on the treatment of the debt note.

Part of the terms of the debt note bought by Abraaj was that interest on the Debt note will be equivalent to the dividend paid to ordinary share holders which I guess is the reason dividends were skipped. The company must have been conserving cash to retire the debt note.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 1:32pm On Dec 24, 2017
rationalmind:
@all, I paid into Morgan but what I have is 50 naira less the amount I paid.

Any idea why this is so?

Stamp Duty
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 6:35pm On Dec 05, 2017
valentinenwoko:
I was at CI LEASING PLC EGM today, share reconstruction was endorsed by shareholders.

I was also at the EGM today and feedback from the meeting is as follows

1. C&I Leasing will be issuing shares for the conversion of some of Abraaj's their convertible debt notes and will also be raising funds from the capital market. The company spent N2.75b on interest in 2016 and will like to substitute some of their debt with equity to reduce interest expense and increase profits.

2. Their authorized share capital is inadequate to accomodate the allocation of shares for the conversion and capital raise.

3. It is more cost effective to reconstruct the existing shares as opposed to increasing the authorized share capital. Reconstruction will lead to a cost saving of a minimum of N130m.

4. The board represents about 30% of the shares of C&I Leasing and it is in their best interest to take steps to optimize the value of these shares.

5. Approval had previously been obtained for the reconstruction of C&I Leasing shares in 2013 on the basis of 1 share for every 8 shares they however will like to review this downwards to one share for every 4 shares.

6. On the basis of the above argument the resolutions supporting the reconstruction was approved. The resolution supporting the debt and capital raise were also approved.

7. The Chairman also confirmed that the company is on track to declare the best result in the history of the company. He stated that the results of the first 9months N950m had surpassed 2016 full year N920m which is at the moment the best full year PAT ever. In addition, 6 patrol vessels stuck in the ports for 9months was put into service for an NLNG contract in the last half of the year and has started contributing to the bottom line.

8. THe Chairman confirmed that the company will declare the highest dividend it has ever declared for 2017.

9. The conversion price of the convertible notes and the price of subsequent capital raise has not yet been determined.

10. Interim dividend was not paid in 2017 as the funds was used in retiring some debt notes.

Dividend history of C&I Leasing is shown below (attached).

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 8:51am On Nov 25, 2017
Agbalowomeri:


Confirmation bias full here Oga.
The voice of men is the voice God. Oando protagonists of those days will narrate their experience. Anyway, all the best with C/I leasin. Afterall, there is still a 10% chance that you could be right.

Kindly explain how you came about the conclusion that I am suffering from confirmation bias.

Confirmation being that you look from evidences that support or confirms your belief while you ignore evidences that contradict your belief.

Given the recent profit profile of the company what do you think a reasonable valuation will be. Is a PE of 2 too high, too low or just right?

Oando took on debt to buy an asset assuming the cash flow from the asset will remain at historical levels without hedging the price of oil for the duration of the loan. They ran into problems when the price of oil dropped and the cash flow was insufficient to meet loan repayments. C&I Leasing on the other hand took loans to buy ship and locked in long term contracts for the duration of the loans thus hedging the cash flow from these assets. They consequently had their best two year ever profit wise during a recession. Spot the difference between Oando and C&I Leasing?

Please note that I didn't come online to promote the stock I just intervened to correct the bashing of the stock.

On your assertion that there is a 10% probability that I might right, which of my comment are you referring to and why such a low probability

1.C&I Leasing intends to raise N25b selling 2.6 billion shares?
2.C&I Leasing is cheap at the moment and the fundamental supports its share price getting to N3
3.C&I Leasing debt profile is sustainable given their cashflow

I am open to constructive evidence backed by facts and I will really appreciate it if you could assist in correcting any bias I might have.

Kindly note in all my submission how I attempt to attend to every issue raised instead of dismissing arguments with sweeping statements. I will appreciate similar responses.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 5:54am On Nov 25, 2017
samguru:
Global Spectrum Energy Services was incorporated in 2006, is an integrated Oil & Gas Offshore Support Vessel Services Company involved in many of the key Oil and Gas producing areas in West Africa. Our range of Services covers complimentary Offshore Support Vessel Services, Maritime Security, Logistics, Energy and Engineering Services.


C & L leasing advocate, this is another reason why you should have sleepless night over your investment as this company is coming to list her shares on monday (27/11/2017)

Dear Samguru,

I must confess I had a sleepless night. I spent the night pondering whether I should agree with you and watch as C&I drop furthers. The prospect of that filled me with huge emotions. Should I admit that I am wrong and C&I Leasing is going to zero? What will that do to the little reputation I have on Nairaland?

That however was not the only reason for my sleepless night. I also stayed up wondering about you inconsistencies. First you were an advocate of Km 4 not you think it is a bad buy at Km 1.3. What changed? The Pizza is going to be divided into 4 pieces instead of 8 and that now makes it worthless? If they had divided the Pizza into 16 pieces does that value double? Share Reconstructions for all intent and purposes is that opposite of issuing bonus shares. Neither operations adds value to the underling fundamentals of a business but Nigerians have a hugely emotional reaction to either operations

Back to the listing of Global Spectrum Energy, the prospect excites me and that it what kept me up. The listing will provide I comparable company against which the proper value of C&I Leasing can be checked. I cannot seem to find a more attractively priced company on the main board of the NSE at the moment. If you can find any kindly point it out. You complained C&I was too expensive at a PE of 2.5 I am pleased to inform you that the forward PE is closer to a PE of 2 as the company has already made a PAT of N1b in 9 months and is on track to make a full year PAT of between N1.15b to N1.3b. C&I Leasing made N920m PAT plus an extra N1.5b other comprehensive income giving a total comprehensive income of N2.5b in 2016. If such a company is valued at N2.5b, how can I sleep?

http://www.c-ileasing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Q3-Financial-Statement-Summary_Sept-30-2017.pdf

http://www.c-ileasing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CI-Leasing-Annual-Reports-2016-V2.pdf

I am convinced that Global Spectrum Energy will be listed at a much higher PE than 2 (in my estimation between 6 and 12) which will clearly demonstrate that value in C&I Leasing and show its attractiveness.

Secondly Global Spectrum Energy has been in existence since 2006 and C&I Leasing has successfully been able to grow its marine business over the years so there is no fundamental threat to C&L Leasing or change in the competitive landscape. if Citibank Nigeria lists on the NSE should Access Bank shareholders have sleepless nights? Remember C&I Leasing first locks in long term contracts before proceeding to buy ships so no cyclic business contrary to one of your previous posts. The listing on the market at this point shows that a fundamental shift is happening in the marine space similar to the banking consolidation that happened in 2005/6. This justifies C&I Leasing coming to the market to raise both debt and equity to enable it take advantage of the emerging opportunities in the space. Please note that at the moment C&I Leasing is bigger (share holders fund) and more profitable (PAT) than Access Bank was prior to the consolidation. Look at Access Bank now.

Back to your inconsistencies. You were once C&I leasing's greatest advocate coming up with FAKE NEWS that they will pay interim dividend in 2017 claiming that an insider told you so. If truly you were informed by an insider that they will pay interim dividend and you bought the shares on that basis, there we have insider trading if on the other hand you lied to the public to boost the share once again we have market manipulation. Either of the above is criminal and an offense against markets. At the moment you are a detractor and I wonder for what purpose. You jump at any news to discredit C&I Leasing. Is this an attempt to manipulate the price and buy at a lower price.

Back to my sleepless night. I am excited at the prospects for C&I Leasing.The operations are well diversified, the fundamentals are great, market opportunity huge and management fairly competent I am not done buying C&I Leasing. I hope to buy 5m unit more before the end of the year. If I can get it at a cheaper price all the better. I will however not misrepresent information on this forum to get a better price.

I have posted a link to C&I Leasing's financials. Anybody interested in taking a decision on C&I Leasing should please go through their financials.

My biggest fear with C&I leasing is the convertible debt note issued to Abraaj and it is centered around the price at which it will be converted to shares. It might have have a potentially dilutive effect on the earning and I hope other investors are allowed to invest at the same price at which Abraaj is allowed to convert the notes. To those unaware, Abraaj a middle east based private equity firm lent C&I Leasing about $12.5m a while back with the understand that they can convert the loan to shares instead of collecting the loan back. At the moment it looks like Abraaj want the money converted to shares instead of collecting the money back according to the press release on the EGM. This is one of the questions to be asked at the EGM.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 5:29pm On Nov 23, 2017
samguru:


1.if there debt is sustainable why issuing commercial papers and eager to raise fresh capital? To take advantage of opportunities in the market place and reduce debt.

2 Those companies became shareholders as a result of conversion of debt instrument to equity,which to me is not the best way to get majority holding. No shareholder has converted debt instruments to Equity and only Abraaj holds convertible debt instruments

3.The company offer the following services
a: Leasing of ships to IOCs. Revenue is in dollars are you aware the competition is stiff now as more oil servicing companies are springing up as a result of sudden increase in crude oil price C&I Leasing locks in long term contracts before procuring the vessels.
b: Provision of contract staff to major companies including Diamond Bank profit from this segment is very slim when you consider the salary,medical expenses and other expenses to mention a few Theoretically. Practically this is their second largest source of revenue and profit. The market space is very wide and has not been properly tapped.
c: Sale of Suzuki cars in nigeria (loss making at the moment) The brand is not buyable in Nigeria and that is the reason they are making loss,or if you want to buy car today would you think of suzuki brand?[/b]Closing this unit will automatically add N300m to profits annually. This unit on the average loses N300m annually.In my opinion, the unit should be sold to the Vaswanis that have the core competence in the sale of motor vehicles
d: Operator of the Hertz franchise in Nigeria [b] oga wake up uber,taxify and other operators have dominated the car renting space in Nigeria and beyond[/b]Hertz operates in its own niche. I however don't know if this unit profitable and will not comment on what I do not know
e: diversifying into the power industry and other sectors [b]No No,the company will not see the light of the day as the industry is capital intensive and not profitable yet,going by their balance sheet they don't even stand a chance to be a mid player in the industry
There are lots of ancillary services to be provided in the power value chain such as revenue collection e.g PAWAKAD, FETS etc.
f: provision of car tracking services what is tracking service? when any technician can do it for you, see let me tell you something if the 4.5G network is properly harnessed in Nigeria you can configure your phone for tracking Theoretically. Practically this unit is profitable and added almost N100m to the bottom line annually


4:Profits have been consistently growing but they need to raise additional equity given the volume of business to be tapped due to the cabotage law which favours Nigerian companies for the provision of shipping services in nigeria. they have previously relied on bank loans to finance the business and paid 2billion interest in 2016.See profit growth is nothing to me, respect sustainability. I strongly believe you don't understand what Cabotage Law is ? if you understand go and ask the indigenous ship owners they will tell you it can not work in Nigeria though is good on paper.just ask anybody working in the seaports how indigenous ship owners are surviving.They thought the foreign companies have taken there work not realizing that they grossly lack the capacity to handle them and that is the reason why Federal government is considering floating shipping line. using more than 10% of your gross revenue to finance your debt is a recipe for catastrophe aaaaahahaha me I know dey. I know for a fact most of the ships were financed via asset financing where the cash flow from long term contract with IOC are used to pay for the loans used in buying the ships. This is a fact not an assumption.About cabotage law not working in Nigeria, C&I has grown its fleet of vessel to over 18 ships under the regime with some ships costing $15m

I have seen a couple of people mention Japaul while referring to C&I Leasing. You could as well mention Oceanic and Intercontinental when referring to the investment prospect of UBA. Kindly judge each company on its own strength


I failed to mention that C&I leasing owns the largest leasing company in Ghana LeaseAfric and also has a very profitable subsidiary in Ghana.



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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 12:31pm On Nov 23, 2017
Intendy:


Are they (board members) the only one playing this game ?

This is not pure mathematics sir.

Market will have its say.

At least the expectations are very clear the board/management expects the share price to increase and has no intention in crashing the share price. They intend to raise the funds at a better valuation than the current market valuation.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 12:18pm On Nov 23, 2017
samguru:



Bruv,

These are the parameters I look out for before I consider investing in any company,

1. Liabilities (debt profile)

2. The shareholding structure (if you have an individual or institutional investor with more than 30% stake)

3. visibility of the company's products/services in the market

4. Reserve accumulated as a result of consistent profits/disposal

If I weigh all any company on these scales and it fails,its a NO No No No No for me.

Guy think twice before you start defending what can not be defended so that you will save yourself the unnecessary headaches and endless posts on nairaland.

Dear Samguru,

I will try to address your concerns

1.Liability: C&I Leasing has a lot of debt which is very sustainable. I will try to explain sustainable. If I can lend money at 13% from a bank and fix in treasury bills at 15% that debt is sustainable and the more debt I collect from the bank the better. If they are willing to lend me N100billion, I will collect. C&I leasing major debts are used to finance the purchase of vessels that are put on operating leases to the major IOCs such as shell, Chevron etc on fixed term contracts of 5-8 years. The cashflow from these contracts can pay off the loans while the vessels have a 50 years life span. Once the loans are paid off the remaining cashflow less operational costs translates to profit.

In lay man terms, If you are asked to take a N1billion loan to build a house and chevron is ready to rent the house for 5 years at N250ma year. In five years the rent pays the loan and interest whilst form the sixth year all the rent is mine once the loan has been paid off and the house is fully yours. Will you be willing to take this loan?

2. Abraaj, Custodian and Allied Assurance Leadway Assurance are major shareholders in the company. The Executive Vice Chairman also represents a major share holder in the company


3. The company offer the following services
a: Leasing of ships to IOCs. Revenue is in dollars
b: Provision of contract staff to major companies including Diamond Bank
c: Sale of Suzuki cars in nigeria (loss making at the moment)
d: Operator of the Hertz franchise in Nigera
e: diversifying into the power industry and other sectors
f: provision of car tracking services

4:Profits have been consistently growing but they need to raise additional equity given the volume of business to be tapped due to the cabotage law which favours Nigerian companies for the provision of shipping services in nigeria. they have previously relied on bank loans to finance the business and paid 2billion interest in 2016.

I am NOT a C&I leasing insider but yes I have shares in the company and I have done my research and the company is a resounding BUY.

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Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 11:20am On Nov 23, 2017
Mpeace:
You value the company at N2.5billion. You say it is on track to make ONLY 1billion in PAT, and you still thing it will sell at N3 after increasing its outstanding shares to 25billion units. I no dey plan go village any time soon sha.


Please argue constructively and with figures. I find wise cracks about going to the village lame.

I did not value the company at N2.5billion the market values it at N2.5billion (1.8billion shares * N1.30k per share)

Its share holder's funds is around N8billion which is closer to its intrinsic value.

At PAT of N1billion it has a PE ratio of 2.5 which is fantastic in any market very few shares beat that in any market and if you find such jump on them especially if you expect the profits to continue to increase into the future.

Total number of shares at the moment is 1.8 billion shares which will be reduced to 400m shares via reconstruction

After reconstruction, the company will sell 2.6billion share to raise N25billion naira and will now have 3billion shares at about N10 each giving a total market capitalization of about N30billion

To sell rights at N10 the market price might have to get to N12 (which is N3 pre construction)

I never said they are selling 25billion shares at N3, where did you get that from?
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 10:21am On Nov 23, 2017
Investnow2017:


Did I foresee disaster here Think some stocks will be used to test the power of 1k policy regime kiss Did I hear Loco say Halleluyah since he is now a full-fledged, tithe-paying member of DeRuggedProf Synagogue of NSE grin grin grin grin

I see the share price getting to N3 or (N12 post construction) before the rights issue.

C&I Leasing is a company valued at N2.5 billion at the moment on track to make N1b full year PAT. How low can it really go? It has the fundamentals to more than support the current share price. The management seems to be preparing the company for the second stage of its growth trajectory given its asset base and deal pipeline.
Investment / Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by NoMoney: 10:08am On Nov 23, 2017
Mpeace:
If the bolded is true then it is real danger. To raise 25billion by equity could mean rights issue or some other special placement that could see additional 20billion units of share or more. Hmm. If that is the case then this stock is an early candidate of 0.01. per share. Thank God for removing my interest from all these companies wey I no know wetin them dey sell. The 'excellent' result could be a ploy to lure both gullible and innocent investors into a long thing. Another DAARCOM loading, if true.

An alternative view is that the authorized capital stays at 3 billion shares after the reconstruction given the reluctance to increase the paid up capital hence the reconstruction in the first place. If C&I Leasing intends to raise N25billion shares selling approximately 2.6 billion unallocated shares then on the average they intend to sell each share at approximately N10 or N2.50 in un-reconstructed shares.
Investment / Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians by NoMoney: 12:33pm On Apr 30, 2008
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