D-reloaded:

I think olydim should be banned. After all he's still writing tribalistic rubbish despite the fact that the thread was cleaned up

D-reloaded alias Thief of hearts.

Has the thread really been cleaned up? You are such as blatant hypocrite. You can advocate for a ban of Olydim, but he will resurrect soon after. So do not even waste your time, ok.

The last post was precisely my point (the economics of movie business and the fact that language is not the only aspect of culture). The koko of the whole thing I have tried to make some dumbhead understand, to no avail.

SSS arrests suspected ritualists in Akure
From Julius Alabi, Akure

THREE suspected ritualists and their godfather who specialised in using human beings for their illegal act have been arrested by officials of Ondo Command of the State Security Services (SSS).



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The suspects, Femi Alo, Kayode Ajayi and Ojo Gegeleso and their godfather, Sunday Olusola (a.k.a. Ekun), were said to have been apprehended in their hideout at Akure metropolis as they were trying to use one of their victims for ritual.

Parading the suspects yesterday in Akure, the Director of SSS, Mr. Boma Spero-Jack, said many innocent people in the state had fallen victims to the deadly gang while those who could not be used for ritual were compelled to bring specific amount of money to free themselves.

According to him, during the raid of the suspects' camp known as "Evil Camp" at Araromi, a Honda Accord car with registration number: Ondo AW 137 AKR and a Sports Utility Van with registration number: Lagos FC 239 EKY, belonging to their godfather, were recovered from them.

"We went to action as cases of kidnapping have become a daily occurrence in Ondo State and we have been given information on how we could get them and when we got to their abode. A new victim, Ganiyat Animasan, was about to be led to their shrine at Araromi", he noted.

Spero-Jack, who took reporters to the shrine at Araromi, said a married woman simply known as Funmilayo who was about boarding a vehicle from Akure to Abuja before she was kidnapped, was swindled and duped to the tune of N250,000 and was also raped.

He however said the woman miraculously escaped from the gang before she could be used for ritual.

The SSS chief, however, appealed to the people of the state to board vehicles at the park since the kidnappers operated more on highways.

Narrating her ordeal, Ganiyat Animasan, a student of the Adekunle Ajasin University, Akungba-Akoko, said she boarded the kidnappers' vehicle along Owo/Akure Expressway on her way to school.

She added that suddenly, an argument ensued between two of the "passengers" she met in the vehicle and a few minutes later, she lost consciousness and found herself in a dreadful shrine.

"I was about removing my underwear when men of the SSS came to rescue me from the hand of the kidnappers. If not, I would have been dead by now", she said.

Three of suspects, Gegeleso, Alo and Ajayi, while speaking with The Guardian confessed to the crime, saying that they were errand boys who brought innocent people to the shrine for a fee.

"We don't know what happens to the people there after we might have taken them to the shrine. The remaining job is left to our godfather because he is the head of the shrine", they said.
http://odili.net/news/source/2008/jan/10/28.html

English may not be our native language, but certainly, it has become part of our culture, having been with us in our everyday lives for at least a 100 years.

Where unfettered competition and free enterprise thrives, be it in politics, economics or whatever human endeavour, the Igbo will beat the Yoruba any time, any day. Kano is, after all, a neutral ground for both groups to slug it out.

Who are the Yorubas getting educated in recent times? Is it the same bunch of touts (agberos) who roam the streets of Oshodi, Isale Eko, Agege, Ibadan, and Iyana Ipaja?

noetic:

@topic
you don't need any documented fact.

Awo practiced free, qualitative and compulsory basic primary education, that gave us an edge over all other regions then.

and now, na southwest get schools past. and it is here that emphasis is mostly laid on education

Continue living in the past glory. I get am before no be property'', as the saying goes. I hope you know that. Check the JAMB (UME and Poly JAMB) records. It is available on the net. That You have more private schools means nothing. Find out how many non-Yorubas are in those private schools. And, like someone said earlier, quantity is not the same as quality. With the bad English you have written here, it is not surprising that you guys are all quantity and no quality

spoilt:

didnt know having calabar girl as girlfriend is now the measure of success! I havent laughed so hard in a long time. Wonders oh! 

My dear, it is an achievement in Nigeria where tribalism reigns supreme and everyone is on their own. My mentioning it was to show that I, Olydim, am not a tribalist. I just want the Yorubas to apologise for misleading me with their Oduduwa falsehood, and all should be well. I an my Calabar sweety are getting wedded in a couple of months.

noetic:

@ poster

All you have successfully done is to accuse your history teacher of teaching you falsehood of what you are not able to substantiate.
at least logically ^{assuming you can think logically}.

so if oduduwa is from bini like you claim, how come we are not speaking the same language. the last time I checked bini sounded alien to me.

my guy! say something else

Do you know Nigerian history (so-called)? If so,

1. Is it true or not that Oduduwa was said to have fallen from the sky (or heaven)?

2. Ask the Oba of Benin about the history of Oduduwa. In 2005 or so, his revelation caused a war of words between him and the Oni of Ife (and other Yoruba elites).

Laudate,

You make me laugh. FYI. It makes no sense to me wherever you crept out from. Who cares? But, do well to stop being an idiot. If you feel you have a right to interfere in Yoruba affair, why do you think I do not have the same right to interfere in the same affair, especially when the people in question deceived and misled me into believing something that was apparently false? You are too tiny (infact too microscopic) to stop me, ok?

I have had the best of education (except for the Oduduwa lies) in and out of Nigeria
I am rich by my own effort and not from stolen money
I have the most beautiful calabar girl as girl friend and have age on my side

So why should I be jealous of people I am clearly better than?

@Laudate (Iya/Baba Laide)

You are worried that I, a non-Yoruba, am taking ''panadol for another man's headache''. But what are you doing here taking viagra for another man's impotence? You have said you are not Yoruba, so what is your headache here? I know your type who are so lily-livered to own up to themselves. Bloody Yoruba who wants to act from from the back door.

My Yoruba friend was not joking when he annouced that Oduduwa slid down from the heavens. You were not there to see him trenchantly make a fool of himself and his folks. So how did you know he was joking? Is a nutter on the loose here?

BY IMPLICATION OF HISTORY, THE MAN WAS A SLAVE OF THE BINIS, LIKE ALL HIS BROTHERS. MOREOVER HE WAS A COMMON THIEF, ALSO LIKE HIS BROTHERS OBJ, TAFA BALOGUN AND BODE GEORGE, AMONGST OTHERS.

HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY THE FABLED ABIOLA FINANCIAL EMPIRE CRUMBLED SOON AFTER HIS DEATH?

laudate:

Na wa o!  Wey all this Yoruba people wey dey deceive all of una, sef? Na by force to study history?

Who cares where he came from? And let us even assume that Oduduwa fell from the sky, how does that affect the price of garri in the market? By the way, is Oduduwa even from your area? Why you come dey take panadol for another man's headache?

Other people are thinking of how to move ahead, make their mark, improve the lives of their fellow citizens, make things work, build a legacy, create an innovative trend, become a Nobel prize winner or even achieve what no other person has done. . . .but you are here complaining about some mythical figure falling from the sky! Kai! Joblessness has no limit, sha. . . . . . . What a pity!

Anything with a false foundation is itself false, no matter how popular (notorious?) it becomes thereafter. You cannot build on quicksand. The Yoruba history is therefore suspect, and perhaps so is the A1 I made in history rehashing that trash in the WASC exams. Could this faking of history also be why OBJ and the Ijebu people are locked in a battle of who is superior (Ijebu or Owu) as was widely reported in the papers recently?  It was (and still is) by force that you must write your history (and indeed all other subjects) exams the way you have been taught, especially in Nigeria where the lecturer is a law unto himself. It must be admitted that whoever fabricated that piece of thrash (non)history about Oduduwa had something to hide, and they must apologise for their deceptive behaviour. I am writing a fictional work that will put these lies to test. It is more pathetic because many more gullible students are still being deceived till date with the Oduduwa lies. I happened to be present where a Yoruba friend of mine proudly announced to our mutual non-Nigerian friends that his forebearer was a celestial being who fell off the sky (with a loud thud, I suppose). They had a good laugh at the expense of Nigeria, and took it as one of the popular Nigerian scams. I am Nigerian, hence my concern. This is intellectual and historical 419.

The article from the Germannig fellow adequately answers the question of the first poster. Nigerian movies are private sector driven, and so they have to go for options that bring the highest profit for them. Will Igbo language movies do that. Answer is No. Apparently Yoruba movie makers still live in the Oduduwa century, hence their difficulty in adapting and competing with the far more business-oriented Igbos. As with their dependence on oil from the East (south south and south east) they want govt to come and fund movies for them. Lazy idiots.

Moreover, no Igbo culture will be lost by not making many movies in Igbo. Culture transcends language and movies, apart from the fact that you can express your culture in any Language. Indeed, English is a Nigerian culture having been spoken for more than a century now.

Germannig:

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So for expressing my God-given opinion, I get an insult from you? Is that what nairaland is all about? Insulting people who do not share your opinion? Is this what this culture thing all about, a ''culture'' of insult and abuse?

I would be glad if you kindly refrain from responding to any of my posts again. I beg of you

Sorry bruv,

That is the price to pay when you interact with prostitutes and ignoramuses such as TOH. As you can see, she is a cheap LovePeddler. All her Yoruba culture is abuse and abuse, and more abuse; and people like me are out to pay her back in her own coin.

Ribadu under probe over mansions in Dubai, Abuja
By Joe Omokaro (Lagos) and Festus Owete (Abuja)

It seems the Police High Command has begun a probe of sleaze burster, Nuhu Ribadu – who, himself, has ferreted the cupboards of the great and the small in the past five years as Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) Chairman.

It was learnt at the weekend that the police authorities are in possession of dozens of petitions from corporate bodies, and individuals accusing Ribadu of sundry vices, among them graft.


It is alleged that he owns a mansion in the Palmbeach area of Dubai where his wife stayed for the most part of last year.


But a source close to Ribadu explained that the house was a "gift" from a Northern business tycoon (name withheld).


There is also the allegation that he bought the official residence of former Inspector General of Police, Sunday Ehindero, for N200 million and paid it in cash.


The house is on Mambilla Street near Aso Drive in the Maitama area of Abuja.


The petitioners alleged that Ribadu engaged in business activities that breached his oath of office.


"I think it is after a careful study of these petitions the Police High Command is working on those that may have substance," a police source said.


Ribadu may face an inquiry after evidence is established against him, although there is disagreement in the House of Representatives over which committee should probe the EFCC.


Besides, the House Committee on Drugs, Narcotics and Financial Crimes has summoned him over the directive by the police authorities to send him on course at the Nigerian Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies (NIPSS) in Kuru, Jos.


Committee Chairman, Dave Salako, explained in Abuja on Sunday that the controversy generated by the directive made it imperative for him to appear before the committee.


He claimed ignorance of moves by members of the Lower House under the aegis of Integrity Group (IG) to initiate a probe of the EFCC, stressing that his committee is the appropriate one to do it.


Some members of the IG met at the weekend during which they resolved to initiate a probe of the EFCC when the House reconvenes on Wednesday.


But Salako said his committee, which has oversight functions on the EFCC, had already begun investigating its activities before now, and would progress that with the appearance of Ribadu.


More disclosures have equally emerged on why the Presidency approved Ribadu’s study leave.


President Umaru Yar’Adua may have acted on a memorandum written on April 3, 2003 by Aliyu Mohammed, the Chief of Staff to President Olusegun Obasanjo.


The memo, copied to all security agencies and all departments in the Presidency, argued that Ribadu’s appointment as EFCC Chairman was an anomaly which needed to be corrected, in accordance with the EFCC Act 2002.


Mohammed said the appointment contravened the Act which stipulates that the EFCC Chairman should be an officer not below the rank of Assistant Inspector General of Police (AIG).


The memo stated that Ribadu was, at the time, an Assistant Commissioner of Police, and that all ex-officio members of the EFCC were by far senior to him.

http://odili.net/news/source/2008/jan/7/700.html

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Relevant definitions of culture according to the Webster Dictionary:

1: the act of developing the intellectual and moral faculties especially by education

2: enlightenment and excellence of taste acquired by intellectual and aesthetic training b: acquaintance with and taste in fine arts, humanities, and broad aspects of science as distinguished from vocational and technical skills

3: The integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations

4: The customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also

5: The characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time <popular culture> <southern culture>

6: The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization <a corporate culture focused on the bottom line>

7: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic <studying the effect of computers on print culture> <changing the culture of materialism will take time — Peggy O'Mara>

After over 100 years years of interacting with the British and their language, English, is it wrong to say that English language is now a culture in Nigeria? This language defines the way of life of Nigerians from different tribes. There is no way I can talk to a Yoruba without the English language.

What thinkest thou abou this?

Now you have agreed that language is not the only culture, and at the same time, you have insinuated that native movies are better than the English movies (made mostly by Igbo) basically because of the language difference. Abi? You are a lost cause and hopelessly so. Please can you tell us what in the Yoruba movies (in which you are well-pleased) make them better than the English movies? And for whom are they better, for a Yoruba or for an Igbo? After all the rigmarole, you have managed to expose the bile of tribalism that you have tried to hide thus far. How many people do you know in Nigeria that prefer native movies to English ones? Did you conduct a survey for that? Now get off my face, you piece of trashy garbage.

The Igbo movies you claim to be watching in Ibadan, where did you get them from? If in the shop, please say who and who own such shops, and how many different Igbo movies could be found there at any point in time. How long did the movies stay on the shelf before being sold?

In like manner, please take a trip to Igboland and come back and tell me how many Yoruba movies you will find there.

D-reloaded:

Again like I said before, stop making foolish assumptions. Same way you assumed that the french are only known for "soap operas" when any idiot knows their movies are WELL REGARDED in cinema and have been for decades

I went to International School of Ibadan for secondary school, that is not in the East in case you didnt know. I used to watch Igbo movies all the damn time, like I said before I even own some so stop with the ridiculous excuses. The question is why don't we see them around anymore. It's one thing if there were NEVER in "Yoruba Land" but they were, now you are telling me they are now exclusive to the East. Why? Why can't both the English and Igbo movies be sold in places other than the East? That is question the pamela and I are asking that you guys have yet to answer.

Shut up and stop your blatant exaggerations. I lived in Ibadan 15 years before relocating abroad. As far back as 15 years ago, you do not have many Igbo films in Ibadan as you would have them in Aba etc. Who except the few Igbos in these places will watch them? Are you a Nigerian who lives in planet mars? You must be kidding me. And, if you are so hard-pressed, and want to know why (in your warped thinking) Igbo movies are not in your film collection, ask the producers and indeed, force them to make Igbo movies to assuage your tainted ego.

The question remains unanswered: is language the only culture?

What is the definition of culture anyways? A way of life of the people at any given time and place. Isn't?
Does culture evolve?
If so, after more than 100 years of speaking English in Nigeria, is it wrong to say that English language is a Nigerian culture?

Ignorant people of Nairaland view culture only from one ancient, fixated perspective of customary beliefs that are not modifiable.

efychris:

i don't think what u've said made any sence, because there is a great need to be proud of ones culture and u'll agree with me that language is culture.also why must it be only the igbo movie? what about the yoruba movie? why is nothing been said about it?

So because perhaps there are not as many Igbo movies as you want, Igbo are now not proud of their culture? So other Nigerian tribes who do not make movies do not have other means of expressing their culture abi? So language is the only culture you know? Nothing wey person no go see for this Nairaland

D-reloaded:

So people must travel to the East before we can see the Igbo movies that used to be so popular everywhere eh?

and that makes sense to you?

Lmao Olydimwitted just get back to "work" and let us in on who's getting a divorce next since that's all you're good for.

Thanks. 

Can you read? ''Especially'' suggests that you can find the movies in other places, but more in Igbo land. I am right here in Holland watching Igbo movies. Do you want to me bring them to your house? My friend, get up and go search for the movies in Idumota/Alaba/Aba/Onitsha/PH and other places where Igbo film merchants predominate.

FYI, for obvious reasons, you will not find Igbo films in typical Yoruba enclaves such as Ibadan, Abeokuta, etc, just like you will certainly not find Yoruba/Hausa/Ijaw (if any) films in typical Igbo enclaves. Why should I be bothered with Yoruba movies when I like to play global? Any Yoruba who is bothered with Igbo movies must have a strong reason because it is actually not typical of them to do so.

The conclusion of this stupid post (WHY WAS I EVEN INVOLVED WITH THIS TOH TRASH, ANYWAYS?) is that the producers put their money where their mouth is, as the saying goes. Even the Edo/Delta producers do not make movies in their languages. Being private entrepreneurs, they know what's best for them. Anybody is free to produce in the language they choose. Whoever does not like it can go produce his own.

Also, I have just confirmed that some, though few, movies are made in Igbo language. You will find them if you ask for them at Alaba and other Igbo trading stores, especially in Igboland. However, I still maintain that language (used in films) is not the only avenue to exhibit one's culture.

I command that there be no more responses on this topic, I have concluded it.

Thanks (but no thanks) moderator for changing my post. I did not ''believe'' this Oduduwa stunt of my own free will. I was persuaded to believe it by my History teacher at Tolu secondary school, Apapa. Now that I know better, I realise I have been deceived by Yoruba history and its tellers.

Thief thief, Ole girl,

So you assumed I meant dubbed? You are indeed dumber than I thought.

Plus, why has your Yoruwood movies not won an oscar award?

I am not trying to start a tribal war here blah blah blah. But I feel ashamed to have believed that Oduduwa fell from the sky as we were taught in the History class. It is even more ridiculous that I got an A1 in my WAEC History after helping to perpetuate the lies that Oduduwa fell from heaven.[s] Now we know that Oduduwa was a bini fellow who fled the wrath of the king and established the Yoruba race. Now it is also clear that Bini people are superior to the Yoruba. I am happy that I am very learned now to know that it is absolutely impossible for any one to fall from the skies as claimed for Oduduwa.

This means that Yorubas have tried to hide their true (seemingly unpalatable) origin for years.[/s]

TOH

Now you see how idiotic you are. The term ''foreign movies'' is not about the language used. it is about the fact that it is coming from outside of the US. You are an ignoramus, and the earlier you admit it, the better for your warped, leaky arse. You are a lost cause and I give up on you.

You olodi, Totsi was done in an admixture of Zulu Xhosa and Afrikanised English, near-similar to those Nigerian movies with Igbo exclamations. I have watched Totsi a dozen times.