it seems like the President does not care about the situation in the North East, why should he when those that will probably vote for him no matter what do not care? It is up to the youth in the Northeastern part of the country to protect themselves at this point. The Nigerian army should be dissolved, it is a waste of money. Just have each region maintain a militia, that is better than spending billions of dollars on equipment and training without results. As the military presence in the North increases, Boko Haram advances, go figure.

Fulaman198:


Nothing wrong with giving into a woman. My fellow Nigerian brothers need to learn this quickly to improve their lives.

women in general hate a guy that gives in. If you do, they consider you a lesser man and will run to another. Chicks are weird bro,very weird. Like you can do something stupid and then say, I'm Sorry the next reply is "stop saying you are sorry, I hate weak men." It's a messed up logic but that's how it is.
So, I don't buy into this feminism, it's crap.

Fulaman198:


I think we need to ask the elders. Though that is not very scientific and I don't think they know either. In reality, I don't think any of us know. ROFLLLLLLL you are right about there are many Fulanis that like to consider themselves a separate race. I don't know about our dear brother Bororojo though I think he does, correct me if I'm wrong Bororojo.

I once a read a quote from Dan Fodio where he considered Fulanis to be a different race too, not black nor white, but Pullo. You know how the elders think too bro,

Fulaman198:


Bros, why do you want us to be Afro-Asiatic so badly? it is what it is

well there are many Fulanis that like to consider themselves a separate race. I doubt Bororojo is one of them though.
It seems like he doubts the theories about our language and origin, understandably so.
But what do I know, lol

I don't know about the percentages but Serer and Pulaar sound similar. Maybe it is from living with each other for a long time. Plus the Serer and Fulanis are Sanakus or cousins in the tradition.
But one big mystery remains, why do we look different?
If we are mixed and lived with the Serers why aren't they mixed too?

Bororojo:


Yes, we do. Nigerian Fulbe are just a conglomerate of various groups from further west, who initially mostly came as nomads.
And you know what happened next.... in the end, Some got influenced by other surrounding cultures, some settled, others did not and remained nomads.

Those in FJ are similar. There were already nomads there when Muslim fulbe arrived from MAli and Senegal. They Converted the locals and surrounding areas. But after the French took over, they did everything to destroy Futa starting with the monarchy and kept us out of the army to avoid revolt. At independence the other groups were majority in the military and the French had told them plenty of lies about fulbe taking their land. Up to this day, we are in that mess.
Hell some Guineans suspect we will join the Arab league lol as if we are Arabs.

Bororojo:


Guinean Fulani and Nigerian Igbo who are more adventurous (in the business sense of it)?? lol
Do you have any people with last name "Dicko" over there?

You could say that lol, Guinean fulbe want to control a lot of things, sometimes their ambition is scary considering that most of our neighbors dislike us. You guys have been smart in engaging in the military. FJ fulbe considered it dumb to be a soldier and for someone's goals, I guess now they will have to change that.
The name Dicko is not common in Futa. In northern MAli many Dicko are descendants of Somghai I think. Do you have them in Naija?

Bororojo:


lol, I see Fulbe girls everyday here, they surround me...... i just want to know others that are not from my area...

I guess you do not live in the west. I am surprised there aren't Guinean fulbe there, their trading activities haven't reach there yet I guess.

Bororojo:


In between.
someone told me that the ones from Timbi Madina are the best....

Lol you really know FJ fulbe I am impressed. Personally I think Dalaba is the best.
Timbi Madina got nice chicks too but I had a bad experience there. We went there ones to visit a girl, our bikes got confiscated by the local boys . They accused us of a coming for "their " girls lol.
Labe girls are ambitious and PIta girls are the Yette Bah, they like fights lol
If you live in a city where fulbe are, attend the weddings, there you can pick easily.

Bororojo:

yeah.
we have our own peculiarities too, words like
Sai/say
Honto- Toy (Adamawa)
Hono - Noy (Adamawa)
Homo- moy (Adamawa)
Fof/fow - Fuu/Pat (Adamawa)
Do - Don (Adamawa)- continuos tense
Etc....
So my friend, lets put the grammar aspect aside for a minute, do you know any open minded, pretty and chatty girls from that Side (FJ) .... lol

Sure, it depends , you want a liberal or conservative one?

Bororojo:

No.
Honestly FJ pulaar has a lot of peculiarities like:

Ndi Leydi (others), Leydi ndhin (fj)
Rewbe be (Others), Rewbhe bhen (fj)
Am (others), An (fj)
fulbe be(others), Foulbhe bhen(fj)
Kossam (Others), Kossan (fj)
Am/Mi/Kam (others), Lan(fj)
omo(others), Himo (fj)

Add all that to the french way of spelling, and sometimes it can be difficult to understand for others like me
but all Fulfulde versions have a sweetness to them ...

We say ndi leydi and leydi ndhin. For example when you want to say, "this is our land " , you start off by "ndi Leydi"
But when you want to say there has been an earthquake you start with "leydi ndin...".
So this land=ndi leydi and the land= leydi ndin.

We have different verbs for politeness too. For example we say Allah daali but Nelaado (Prophet) maaki. On top of that you have your regular verb for "say".

Bororojo:


We as well as all the others have it

but see what this Wiki article says:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pular_language

For the verb and pronouns in the table it is very true. But at the same time we also use the standard long term form specially the first person.
So you guys do not have different forms of politeness?

Bororojo:


I read somewhere that one of the peculiarities of FJ pulaar, unlike all the other dialects, is that there are no consonant mutations of most words in their plural forms.

i.e blacksmith in Fulfulde

Singular === Plural
Baylowo === Waylube

It's correct. There is also
Debbo and rewbe for women

From what we exchanged last time on pronouns I take it you have it in Adamawa too.

Bororojo:


OmarBah, I have another question for you.
Is there Initial consonant mutation in Fouta Djallon Pular?

yes there is. For example , a man is called gorko but in plural it is "worbe".
A free man is dimo and in plural "rimbe".

Bororojo:


Possibly. And as a matter of fact, I think many African societies actually have one or few female heroines, but does this mean they had female dominated/determined societies? I don't really know, but I would say most probably not.
And again, these are all coastal West Africans (Baule, Ashanti, Igbo etc), which although are west African- have only very little to do with us (culturally) - They don't even wear boubous.
[b]we share lot more (culturally) with the Songhais, Northern Mandes, Wolofs, Hausas, Tuaregs, Sarakoles [/b]Etc

And most of the groups you listed are majority Muslims like us.

Anta Diop's research does need to be continued, not everything is clear. But he has been able to demonstrate similarities between west African societies and those of ancient Egypt.
Ampathe Bah knew a great deal about our culture but our origin still remains in question.

Bororojo:


to be honest, no one is Fully sure what our society was like back then, even Anta Joop has a lot of speculation in his works, all his hypothesis about Fulani and Egypt are all "lolable"- At least Hampate Ba had some real first and second hand knowledge of us. I find it hard to believe our society was matriarchal pre-islam.
And if this is a link to the rest of WA , then what other society around the Western Sahel practice matriarchy ?

Currently all the west African groups that I know of are patriarchial. But going back in history, the Baoule of Cote d'IVoire trace their ancestry to the Queen Pokou who had to sacrifice her child for her people. There is also the importance of Queen mothers in Asante society, very few other societies give such a role to women. I have also learned that sometimes Igbos trace their lineage through their mother.

Bororojo:


Wodaabe society is an exception within the Fulani cultural sphere, and even though the women get to "choose" husbands, the society is still pretty male dominated.
As for the other part of your statement, I don;t really understand. Is the heritage of a Fulani child determined along the maternal line in Fouta Djallon?

No it's not the case but according to what Cheick Anta Diop it used to be the case in the pre Islamic era when we had our true identity. But Islam changed it.
Woad able is th closest society we have to a pre Islamic Fulbe culture.

kingston277:

Hmm. And to which party are these Euroskeptics affiliated?

that's besides the point. You said a "puny number of pro-union individuals just won't cut it", well my friend, Pro Europeans are 2/3 of the EU parliament. It seems like you do not much of the EU. Here is an article about the last EU elections, please read it, you will find answers to your question.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2014/05/european-elections-0

kingston277:

I don't recall Amun mentioning anything about unionizing politically. Only utilizing existing organizations like AU and ASF.
Even back in the days, such a concept existed among the kingdoms but didn't commence when the foreigners invaded.

Amun's intervention pertained to the military force , he did not state his position on political unity.

Bororojo:


What matriarch tradition is that?

such as the one currently practiced by the Wodaabe where the girl picks her husband instead of the other way around. Or you receive your heritage from your mother instead of your father.

ChukwuCantDie:
I have already told you THREE TIMES already Nigeria has and will NOT sign themselves into slavery with his deal, we are not Ghanaian or Cameroonian, we dont answer to white people.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/10/epa-enslavement-partnership-agreement/

No need to get exited, businessmen from Cameroon like Francis Nana Djomou have expressed their concerns over the deal. If Nigeria has not signed it, then it's a good thing and I am glad.

When countries depend on exporting agricultural products, it is easy to make them sign these deals. All the EU has to do is threaten them with high imports duties for their products.

Bororojo:


what is kokose?

well from youtube I know it means ankle, in Yoruba "I think".

Fulaman198:


You won't fall under it, I did not. I schooled in the States, and I kept my heritage and my culture and I'm not Westernised. I also studied a STEM field.

Btw musido Bah, you never mentioned what kind of Adamawa Fulbe Rewbe you like. Do you also have a foot fetish? Do they have to have nice feet? (I'm joking)

I know you are, I saw your post on it. You know, wizkid the Nigeria Afrobeat artist has a song Show me your Kokose. It seems like some dudes love that part.
I like the curvy ones you know what I mean like the ones on Onila's signature.

Fulaman198:



Hey I'm not as much of a ladies man like Bororojo who would be able to find you a good wife .

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
this is nonsense
the only old hag educated muslims are the ones pursuing western imperialism agenda like "gayism", anti-polygamy, democracy(whatever that means)...etc in few words they have lost contact with their society or the reality of their society hence why they can't find their perfect and so called western oriented prince "charmant" who will free her from her self imposed bondage. those women an b founded in Iran, Egypt, syia . in African muslim societies? no
still if you dig a lil bit you will find out that they have already been in a previous marriage

the same could be said of Christians educated in the western culture. They are poisoned just like most black American women by feminism. You can't even ask some of them to cook for you. "You better get up and cook, I ain't your slave". No wonder many of them remain out of wedlock for a LONG time.

They are two types of educated Muslims. Those educated in their native culture and those educated abroad. There is potential for corruption of the latter group. Their cultural values are often in clash with those of the west and in many cases, the western culture overtakes them and that's when a long journey or torment starts. May Allah prevents me from falling in this. Those educated home or in countries with a similar culture like Egypt or Turkey are more comfortable. They can access better the problems of their society and how to solve them. They do not reject everything in it. This is why in my opinion, scholarships should only be given in STEM fields.

well it is done to prevent Zinah which is having sex outside of wedlock. The other component is having children outside of wedlock. Parents fear that the temptation will be strong enough to push them to it which is true to some extent.
In Fulani culture, if an unmarried girl has a child, the shame belongs to the whole family. To avoid that, the parent try to get the girl married early on.
With western culture, people started waiting for their early thirties , this applies to educated ones of my father's generation. But today, marrying at young age is coming back. By young age, I mean 23 to 28 years. If you have your college degree , started building your career, why wait ? Unless you just want to go to the clubs , pick up chicks and be a player till you hit 35. Then by the time you first child graduates college, you will be in your early sixties or late fifties with all of your savings going into financing their education. But if you have your kids young, by the time you are 45 they will be independent and you can save enough to take your lady wherever she wants.

PS: I am not married yet, I was hoping to get a Fulani girl from Adamawa (Cameroon or Naija) but it seems like Fulaman isn't well connected.

ChukwuCantDie:
http://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/western-africa/2014/04/01/nigeria-rejects-eu-partnership/

This article is a few months old but since then the ECOWAS fools decided to sign the deal led by that Ghanaian idiot, Mahama. We are the only ones with a brain it seems which is why I said we are Africa's only hope.

you are the only ones with the population size and the resources to afford saying NO to such agreements. In the case of Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire that exports agricultural products, the Europeans could threaten them with high import prices on their market if they don't sign the deal.
The countries within UEMOA in French West Africa will sign it. Not only do they have a currency tied to the Euro with France providing a guarantee( half of their exports proceed end up in the Bank of France, supposedly to stabilize the CFA currency) but also because their political elite is closely tied to that France.
It seems like that Nigeria did sign it after all. Just found an article on it.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201407221229.html

How will you manage to deal with European competition?

ChukwuCantDie:

This is why I said Naija is Africa's only hope.

But even Nigeria has signed it and could be threatened by this deal. Nigeria's industries are not competitive enough compared to European ones. It is too early for such a deal. What do you think?

ChukwuCantDie:
http://www.euractiv.com/development-policy/eu-seals-free-trade-deal-west-af-news-533293

African stupidity is holding Africa back. You would think after 500 years of European colonization Africans would have learned by now but they refuse, it's embarrassing.

Nigeria is Africa's only hope.

I have also been skeptical of the benefits of this deal. EU will sign trade agreements with other unions which will probably make West African products uncompetitive. Our markets will be vulnerable to theirs. In that case we will be reduced to laborers for foreign companies. I am curious to see the details of the deal.
I wonder why Nigeria signed the deal. Did the leaders do it to get help for the fight against Boko Haram? Because this deal obviously goes against the interests of African business owners. They will now have to find ways around it.
The ports of many Francophone West African countries are managed by Bollore, a French company. With this deal on top of it, they will flood our markets with their products.
When we have leaders that need the recognition of the so called international community to rule, it's not surprising that they do what the EU wants regardless if it is good for Africans or not. When Compaore, Ouattra, Eyadema and Co. need the patronage of France to remain in charge, they are quick to sign those deals.

kingston277:

Still doesn't excuse the fact that a puny number of pro-union [/b]individuals just won't cut it. The party needs to be in agreement first which they are clearly not.

Are you serious? Here is a quote from The Economist , "Even though pro-European mainstream parties have been weakened, they still have a [b]two-thirds majority in the European Parliament." A two-thirds majority after the EU parliament elections of 2014 that saw the biggest rise of Eurosceptics. So I don't know where you get you "puny number of pro-union" thing from.

kingston277:

I already explained my stance many times earlier and Amun's point still stands.

Amun and I are on the same page so I do not know what you are talking about.

Fulaman198:


I assume you live in New York right? Most Nigerian Fulani when they go abroad they typically move to Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Egypt or England. I'm not saying there are no Fulani Nigerian Families in America, I'm sure there are few but no where near as many as say Senegalese or Guinean Fulani.

Oh I see, no wonder they have been less influenced by western culture.