Kobojunkie:

Dude, don't quit your day job!!! You definitely failed in your attempt to try reading my mind there.

a typical answer, when you get under her skin she responds by addressing you as Dude (not that I take offence just an observation)

your double standards are getting too long

there is clear proof on this thread relative to the link I provided.

for Kobojunkie

members of Boko Haram are people's brothers, fathers and sons and we must treat them with compassion, while MEND are terrorists who should be snuffed out.
What I find amazing is while Boko Haram seeks to abolish formal education and impose full blown sharia, MEND claims to be fighting for justice for their people who have been deprived of their God given wealth.

This is another example in a long list of Kobo's Litany of double standards. Unfortunately the list is getting worryingly long.


Here her talk about MEND in the link below and compare it to her opinion on this issue.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=298262.msg4215280#msg4215280

Here her!!!!
(stated by kobojunkie at  #17 on: July 19, 2009, 03:50 AM »  )

But @Samparian, you argument does not seem to include the fact that an attack on any, and I mean any FEDERAL INSTALLATION as you choose to label it, is an attack on the Nigerian people?


These terrorists have gone too far and need to be stopped with serious force, if necessary. Are you telling me NO CIVILIANS WERE HARMED, or have been since they started this war of theirs?

She will not condone an attack on Federal Installations but seems to have sympathy for a group of folks who will attack a Nigerian police station all because they want to impose a medieval age ideology on the rest of us

Thanks Nairaland is not short of people with common sense

suggesting that we have a Justice System people should believe in is like suggesting that we have a credible democracy just because we have scheduled elections every 4 years, an INEC and a president that wears agbada instead of military uniform.

It is just ridiculous

unfortunatly the fact that you are columbus ohio makes everything you say hollow

if Nigeria works you have no business being there

comeback and enjoy your all rosy Nigeria

this is hypocrisy and insensitivity of the highest order

I am one of those who believe that Aondoakaa is powerful? not sure how to even react to that sillyness,  . . . . .another proof of ignorance

this is why agree with those who call this girl a tribalist

kobo is getting excersized because atlas cove jetty was bombed in lagos and probably 3 people died

and she proudly cares less about those who die everyday in naija delta

shame on you

Kobojunkie:


You are still not making sense. Read, process and then respond. I make myself clear above. I never mentioned columbus OH in all that, neither do I see the relevance of that in all this. Focus and try to stay on point when you respond.

the reason columbus ohio is helpful is you can not lecture on what you have no clue about.

asking people already making an effort to fight for their right in the way you deem fit.

Talking about justice system, who do you know as Nigeria's Attorney General, what do you know about him, and how would you compare him to the US Attorney general in terms of protecting the rights of ordinary people.

what do you know about Nigerian courts and how judges come to conclusion on cases. How do you reconcile James Ibori's case being transfered to Delta where his offence was supposedly committed and refusal to transfer Henry Okah's untill the Presidency decided to set him free.

In the light of all this what do you understand by a justice system being in place? For your information what makes a justice system is not just having written documents, and people who dress in robes and white gears its a little more than that.

Stop sitting behind your computer in columbus ohio and spewing rubbish, come back to Nigeria and experience issues first hand.
Most times you make fool of yourself and expose how shallow your understanding of Nigeria is when you type.

You simply have no clue.

please elaborate what you mean by "the strength of the justice system is the strenth of the people"


The last time I checked the headquaters of |Nigeria's freedom fighting is not in columbus ohio

how does a man fight for his rights when those who are doing just that u just branded terrorists?
Ken Sarowiwa went to court and believed in civility, what did he achieve.

The Nigerian state does not understand the essence of civility.

So mend are intimidating the Nigerian government? go look for some american forum and chat over there. You have no business with Nigerian issues. You simply have no clue, you dont need to go through the torture of even commenting here.

kobojunkie is so out of touch

there is no justice system in Nigeria

if there was, people who have oil drilled from their backyard will not be living in abject poverty

you are talking about any necessary force because people where killed in lagos.

people have been killed cos of oil in the naija delta in the last 50 years, and our government is complicit.

the nigerian government have no moral right to attack anyone cos they have stolen more oil and impoverished the people of Naija Delta even more.

My dictionary defines terrorism as the use of intimidation to get others to accept your views, going by that definition surely the intimidated can not be the terrorist.

This is what I keep saying

Uwazurike should have towed the line of Kosovo by taking Nigeria to ICJ and demanding a referendum for the easterners to determine their future

That will be more effective than printing currencies and passports

Even we in the South-South are not so keen on one naija anymore like we used to

So the Ijaw may break away as a different nation when the East breaks away to form their own Nation.

Jairzinho:

many thanks for all your intelligent contributions
My reactions:So we should disband the military & transfer all the personnel to Social Welfare ministry?

If I read the topic right

it was never about the existence of the current army. It is starting a new Military establishment when we have been unable to fund the existing ones.

If your call for Marine Corps is not because of MEND why are u asking for a new military establishment? and why cant we improve the existing ones?

After all we have gracefully handed Bakasi free of charge to Cameroun, so why are we forming Armys here and there? What use are they in 21st Century? are we planning to attack anyone? the only inter-country dispute we have is Bakassi and we chikened out.

Why new waste of money forming a new military establishment?

I have said it before, our National Security challenges include Poverty, no electricity, no schools, no roads, no hospitals etc.
If your establishmment of marine corps will resolves any of these issues, I will join you to encourage President Yar'adua to dump his elusive 7 point agenda and adopt your idea.

I also find it amazing that you dont consider these issues ravaging Nigeria as a National Security issue, you want to dismiss them as a social issue in a derogatory form. These issues are both social and National security issues.

The greatest threat to national security we have include Hunger, Bad roads, no electricity, no hospitals, no schools

wanna shed any light on how a Marine Corps solves any of those?

is a P . . . . . . . .

P = President

or

P = love-vendor

depending on who you ask.

I gues by extension Femi Falana who defended Henry Okah is also a Militant

Is Edwin Clark a Militant?

I think Godwin Abbe has already failing us as Defence Minister.

No wonder he did not achieve much as Minister of Interio.

[size=18pt]100 % resource control is the only lasting prerogative for peace.[/size]

MEND should blow up a car close to Abuja National Stadium and warn FIFA to take their world cup to another country.

A country where injustice REINS has no business hosting the world cup.

story story story!!!!!!

You can put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig

If they like let them announce Henry Okah as defence minister, it wont make any difference

the only solution is 100% resource control by each geopolitical zone, every should control their own resources PERIOD!!!!

If there is a vote for 100% resource control for South-South by the Senate, Igbo Senators will vote for that 100%

If there is a vote in the House of Rep, Igbo Representatives will vote for that 100%

If there is a referendum, we can trust the Igbos to give us a block vote on resource control.

I learnt the same thing too as Asari to dislike the Igbos, but recent truths and facts show that the Igbos were actually not the problem.
Those afraid of resource control and devolution are the problem and have always been.

The previous lies and propaganda simply could not last forever, I thank God the truth is begining to come out.

We are here to bear withness this time

best thread on nairaland

folks ignore back2back. THE GUY is doing his job.

Maybe if I was paid some of the Aso Rock $5m dollar, I will also be thinking through my pocket.

Those who wanna blame the greed of South South states should consider this

The South South contributes to 98% of Nigeria's GDP

But takes in 1/6 of 13 % shared amongs states.

if my maths is right they in effect take in 2.17% or 0.36% per State.

What is the Federal Government doing with the over 70% of GDP it controls

I don't know whether this back2back is one of those who recieved $5 million to rengage in Aso Rock propaganda on the internet

But this is what I know, whoever is behind that name is no female

You can believe what you like but Ghana's oil reserve is too small to fundamentally shift Obama policy in Africa. Whats the comparison between Ghana's oil and America's oil reserve in Alaska alone, let alone America's oil interest in Saudi, Iraq, Nigeria, Venezuela.

Ghana has not even found that much oil to affect West Africa policies let alone World Affairs towards Africa.

Obama's policy on the long term is to source alternative energy, effectively before US will finish all the oil in every other part of the world for Ghana's oil to mean much most of the world cars will be electric, most of the world's energy will be Solar and Nuclear, and probably the UN would have agreed ambitious low carbon targets that will make burning of fossil fuels very unattractive.

By the way if FOX is where you want to read about Obama policies, I think you are at the wrong place, you can only be missinformed

And talking about appologies

I think folks still take what Obama says on surface value.

What Obama does is state the obvious which often is already in the public domain. Its more of a 21st century approach to dealing with issues than an appology. It creates a feel good mentality which creates the impression that the current President is being extra-ordinarily honest when structural he has not acted so dramatically different from his predecessors.

Example.
The issue of torture:  he released CIA memos stating their were policies for waterboarding and folks started jumping transparency. But the issue is that these memos had already been declassified as his administration had determined that it was no longer Government policy. And the policy now had become public knowledge anyway.
But when it came to releasing the same videos which showed terror suspects were actually tortured. He refused.

In Iran he addresses the Nation as the Islamic Republic of Iran, invites its diplomats to come share hotdog at US embassies on arround the world on July 4 (before it was rescinded). While structurally his Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is busy trying to get more economic sanctions against Iran, he Obama is lobbying Russia seriously in other to have Russia and US on the same page against Iran in the event that he may want to use the UN Security council against Iran.

If anybody want to refuse to look at these real issues and prefer to feel good that Obama acknoledged the 1959 overthrow of Musadek and the role of the CIA thats up to them.
But to call the restatement of a public fact an appology is political naivette in my view.

back2back:

the poster is not talking about Nigeria Govt. stay on the issue.

the post was clear:

Obama did not have the courage to admit and take full responsibility for the role of America in the ruination of the continent.

apology means you accept resposiblity and ready to right the wrong you caused whoever you apologise to.

What you dont seem to get is that America got Independence from the British just like Nigeria did.

So why is America appoligising for colonialism? Go read a bit of History.

If its Slavery you are talking about about Africans in Africa are as Guilty as the European Slave Owners. (Only decendants of slaves deserve an appology).

If its the failure of Africa, our leaders are more guilty compared to the west because its the responsibility of every Nation to protect her people from exploitation, if a country chooses not to do that I doubt its makes sense to blame those who pounce on the opportunity.

As we speak majority of Africans are funding European Universities through paying high fees while our educational system is in ruins. WHO WILL APPOLOGISE FOR THAT?

Yuno:

quote: back2back
Young lady please read a history book. The transatlantic slave trade was only possible on the scale it was because African kingdoms participated and made profit from the sale of other Africans. European whites didnt have the ability to access the interior of tropical west africa on their own during the times when the slave trade was at its strongest (18th century) and it was only by using slaves supplied from Africans or by using African scouts that Europeans were able to get hold of millions of black people to ship into slavery.

If anyone deserves an apology for that it is African Americans, Carribeans and Latin Americans not the descendants of the people who sold their ancestors into slavery.

the bit in bold is absolutely correct.

back2back:

you are missed the point.

It was evil and wrong to enslave africans in that massive ways.

It was a trade that was supported by the WEST and their church for wealth creation!

It was this slave machinery that kicked started the economy.

African deserves apologies for those wrongs: It is to acknowledge the evil and not try to hide or sweep it under the carpet.

But I guess with people like you, it is clear why no progress.

Even JEWS received apologies for the evil of german people to them.

This is what I keep saying about Nigerians

You want an appology to the wrongs done to Africans centuries ago when you are busy hoping for the piping out of the Niger-Deltans over their struggle for resource control.

One value for world issues, a totally different one for Nigerian issues.

these MEND are coward.

Lagos is not capital of Nigerian anymore.

Let me them go after Abuja and may be Kano or Sokoto.

You will see how the Hausa will wipe-them-out like bunch of irritating flies.

That is your hope for a group of folks questioning how oil is drilled in their backyard while they live in abject poverty.

a 21st century Nigerian misses Abacha

even if Abacha is alive he can't hang a Saro Wiwa in a democracy

he will be tried in a court of law in which Saro Wiwa would have won.

Nigerians are as dishonest as the contraption called Nigeria

let everybody control their own resources.

MEND should hit Lagos and Abuja more, They should have no known bases and attack the Nation facilities in a Gurrila like fashion. No army has any right to attack any Ijaw community cos of MEND.
In fact they should acquire are loose Nuclear bomb, they dont even need the very expensive Misile to launch it.

With those everyone will come to the negotiation table.

Okah's release and granting amnesty to people fighting for freedom is no substitute for Justice.

MEND has no defined boundaries in Naija, there is no moral right bombing any Ijaw communities because MEND attacked Lagos.

Each geopolitical zone should control their own resources 100%.

The North is being short-sighted, NUCLEAR energy is the future and Nigeria's Uranium depositis are mostly in the North.
Just let Niger-Delta / South-South have 100% resource control, everyother zones has enough resources to be sufficient and compete.

I BELIEVE THEIR IS A SENSE OF ARROGANCE AND SELFISHNESS IF A MAN THINKS THE ONLY WAY A NATION CAN BE DELIVERED IS IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT. BUHARI CAN BE OF HELP TO REBUILDING NIGERIA WITHOUT BEING PRESIDENT HIMSELF, IF HE THINKS OTHERWISE THEN HE IS A VERY DISHONEST MAN WHO SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

IN FACT IN A SERIOUS SOCIETY HE SHOULD BE DOING GOOD TO SOCIETY AND SPEAKING OUT / SUPPORTING DEMOCRATIC VALUES WHEREVER IN THE HOPE THAT HE WILL BE FORGIVEN BY NIGERIANS, HE SHOULD NOT BE SEEKING THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.

HE IS A COUPIST WHO OBSTRUCTED DEMOCRACY.

regardless of how anyone want to forge it

When the British left Nigeria our economy was in a good shape

According to El-Rufai

the old men in Nigeria should give way for the Obama Generation

But why is there no decent picture of this speech

BBC and CNN are always in Africa with good pictures

what went wrong today?

Its not about whether our leaders will listen

its whether ordinary africans on the street can demand change

freedom does not come for free