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PAGAN9JA: If that's how you talk to grown men on the internet, you can't seriously be working with other adults in real life. I didn't use profanity or insult you once. Your "pagan" lifestyle is obviously flawed as you still have distasteful character. |
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Fundamentalist: How does that help black people or protect them from Boko Haram? Wasn't their a united Muslim military in the Quran? Where is the Muslim army to protect the Black Muslim children being kidnapped? Emphasis on Black. |
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PAGAN9JA: I'm Igbo based in USA. I'm studying black history and traditional sciences for over 15 years now buying expensive research and take a little from everything. I think it's time to start sharing and organizing. The strategy being used in the USA is to connect the present Black cultures and languages. To kemet which is ancient Black Egypt and Sudan. In Igbo kemet can be pronounced agbata (district, sector) or ogbodo (nation, state). Simply a word meaning Black people or cultivated wet soil and area. In igbo an ogbodo is made of smaller composite states or towns and villages and kindreds. We would have to study Kemet and Fulani, Igbo, Hausa, Edo, Urhobo. Compare notes and produce them. Hausa and Fulani have a special role to play in they have large populations and are connected to kemet, and spread all over Africa. This is why they are always being kidnapped and terrorized by people being paid by outside forces to stop African Renaissance or unification at the grassroots level. The children are the future so we will have to be prepared to spend money and work to fund these things for them. We already have a lot of work in Yoruba and Igbo scientific traditions and comparing them to Kemet. We need to concentrate on investing in Kemetic Hausa and Fulani comparative studies. As for the word Pagan. It has a lot of White Power groups now. As well as people who want to take over African resources by joining guilds/cults. It is a dangerous word in the USA. We don't control it. We can use the word Kemetic. Kemetic-Fulani. Kemetic-Igbo. Kemetic-Hausa. Kemet (Ogbodo) is made of smaller divisions or cells. In igbo we called them isi ogbodo or isiobodo (capital city). In kemet we had the same word spat. So we can create Kemetic (Traditionalist) partnerships with small Kemetic individuals, groups and towns for business. We might need to exchange emails and so on. But I am glad to find this group because we're talking about Afrikan Renaissance in WhatsApp and there's only one Hausa Fulani when there's over 100 million in the world. We need to work together with like minds. Send out emails to right people and invest in the right places and our own media and political system |
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Both Hausa and Fulani language and culture are connected to ancient Kemet. Which predates Arabian Islam In fact Islam is simply a word meaning submission to a path or order. In Igbo you have the words usoro, ozo, Eze, Kemet Asar, Aset, Shu Luo Osir. Hausa Sarki, Yoruba Ashe, Eshu, Osun Islam comes from Christianity and Christianity comes from East and Central African science, language and culture that went into Arabia and came back to fight the indigenous people for control over their resources. It doesn't matter. Most people in the Americas have advanced research tools to study language culture and science and history. They are studying that African sciences are the original form. When they come back to help develop Africa of course they will research Hausa and Fulani traditions and find the connections. That's why the terrorist group called Boko Haram terrorizes the northerners and kidnaps children. They are being paid by evil anti Black forces to keep them from developing a higher knowledge of self and history and language. Wasn't it muammar Gaddafi who said Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani were Arabs and Nigeria should split in two to preserve islam? Not to help Them develop. The man who funded multiple coups in Africa and his kin are kidnapping People to slavery. People like him fund these terrorists groups to stop Black Muslims from researching their history and language. Facts. The most dangerous black man/woman is one with multiple dictionaries because he/she can compare the languages and find Black languages and people are related. This is the future of Africa. We already have Hausa and Fulani language research groups so it is only a matter of time before they start comparing languages and sharing this information with mainstream. |
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Hirad: Fair enough. Somali traditional titles/government is "extended family" based and resemble the majority of Black, Equatorial Africa... the traditional sciences. Traditional basis is what we all have in common and should be researched and expanded upon. just my opinion. Peace. |
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Hirad: 14 February 1974 - Somalia joins the Arab League after fourteen years of independence. Being members of the Arab League going on 50 years is a contradiction then. How does that get resolved? |
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Interesting. Are we seeing Renaissance in "Omenani"? I noticed a lot of time people avoid saying this word, but "Omenani" might be translated as traditional state charter of laws. If this is strengthened then there will be a stronger chain of command... as well as maybe a federation of Igbo communities. Traditional "culture" or "religion/sciences" also came with a structured government that was disrupted by Islam, Christian pastor and pope leadership, Colonization Western miseducated and brainwashed leadership... If Igbo can pivot to revitalize and reorganize some of the traditional government and laws and sciences that would be great, I noticed more of the younger generation are trying. Maybe some laws need to be updated of course, but this is interesting to see as a Black man in the diaspora. |
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Customary African government meets Black consciousness. Good move. Take notes people. 3 Likes |
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Did he visit African American business school? The formula is the same. Disorganize indigenous African identities and indigenous unity with foreign flags and foreign religions. Then move foreigners in to put the indigenous Africans on bottom. He is selling how foreigners can invest and buy indigenous lands and citizenship in Nigeria. Same formula in Jamaica now where foreigners are adopting Jamaican nationality and slapping Black Jamaican children in front of the world. |
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The key to Ekwensu is the root "su" or "s" sound. It means to move (quickly). Hence "S" (moving) deals with travelling. Travelling for bargains and market and festival and war. Travelling as the moon in different positions in the sky. It is the same as: Khonsu, Shu, Asar, Bes (Kemet/ancient Egypt). Egbesu (Ijo/Ijaw) Oshu and Eshu (Yoruba). Yeshua/Jesus (Hebrew). Eze/Ozo (Igbo) Ekwe (herald, drum, instrument) Nsu (instigation, living word or living action, action or word that moves out quickly) Ekwensu is the herald of the living word. The principle of travelling or "cross-roads". Ekwensu was/is also a type of shrine used to pray for protection after travelling in war, for markets, for immigrating into new lands. You pray that you make the right decisions at the "cross" roads. In fact the root of ekwe is "kwe" meaning "to cross together, to agree, sing, harmonize, manufacture, weave together in crosses". Ekwe can mean drum (cross section of a tree) but also whip, barn stacks, cross section of neck or back of the head. Coincidentally, "Yeshua" of the Bible mythology is associated with carpentry and manufactured things especially of wood. The Ijaw still have Ekwensu as Egbesu, where it is both a shrine used for war, especially on rivers and for protection to new lands they immigrated to. Egbesu is their name for God as well. The words Joshua and Yeshua (from where Jesus is translated) comes from the African-Asiatic cultures and people and was the word for deliverer, messenger, traveller, evacuator, savior. Like Eshu, Oshu (Yoruba for moon), Khonsu, Ekwensu, Egbesu and so on. In Western university, this is all deduced through the science of "Cross Comparative Linguistics" cross comparing (related) languages. |
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Hati13: Why respond if you don't care? You had nothing to add to the conversation. This whole thread became very annoying very quickly. I have no idea why people came to post rubbish when all I asked was a simple question. |
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ezeagu: Mgbo Mbari (Door of the Pyramid/Shrine/Holy Creation). Also known as "Babel" by the Hebrew nomadic pirate tribes who hated settled civilizations. History repeats itself. Protect these heritage sites. They are the Igbo pyramids. Igbo call it Mbari, Nuer call it bieh, Kemetics called theirs "mr". Same conical shape and function in customary government. Let us protect all we can from predators and organize commissions to understand these things better. |
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AfriRenaissance: I appreciate your response but the North is Arabs. And the "leadership" you are referring to is the indigenous culture leadership or the colonial government leaderships... I think indigenous leadership system is generally open to anybody including you and me. Can't blame colonial leadership system set up by whites, for whites. It is dying slowly with knowledge of human rights and rebuilding with classical African/Black culture and governance as a base. |
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Hati13: You're not Black? To be honest, I don't value your opinion as much then. |
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Interesting. I'll accept that definition. So instead of "Benin Empire", "Edo Empire" or "Edo Kingdoms" would be more accurate. Thank you for the explanation. |
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Olu317: I'm Igbo. I just was looking up the names of countries and wanted to find out what Benin meant. A lot of countries worldwide are "republics" set up by Eurasians, even if they have a name from a Black language. |
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I'm researching the meaning of country names. It is interesting that Dahomey took the name of another Empire and became Republic of Benin. But I cannot find this information. What is the True Meaning of the Word "Benin/Bini" and what language does it come from? |
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Hati13: You still have "Black" in your language. And you should acknowledge that first. Don't be like an Arab. |
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Ioseph: Are you comparing homosexuality to space travel and floating cities? What is your true agenda? |
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RandomAfricanAm: The Ancient Egyptian (Ndi Ogbodo/kmt/Gbt) Ka Aka: hand, a, limb, branch, extension, spirit (Onu Afa - divination language, diviners use aka to refer to a spirit or atomic core or the imprint of a thing); nka- talent, imprint, art, age Ka is the imprint a person leaves behind by actions by building and deeds. Ib (heart) Obi: heart, soul, spirit, engine Sheut (shadow) Chi uta: governing spirit of responsibility Chi or chi uta is the energy of your personal morals. Your personal conscience or guilt thermometer. If your chi agrees then all things are possible. If your chi doesn't agree you will fail. Ren (name) (r)Onwe: self, identity The r is more pronounced in some dialects but onwe is the personal identity. Also called ogwe, which also means trunk or log. A log is the middle of a tree that can always regenerate and is where birds (which represent thoughts and light descending from heaven) come and perch. Ba Mba, Agbö, Aba: nationality, race, genes, branch/sprout, chapter, division, background. This represents your background. Who raised you, who is guiding your personal behavior? The symbol in Egypt was a totem of a bird with a human head representing lineage and ancestral descent. Ancestors reside in the heavens and guide people on the ground with signs and messages, metaphorically speaking just like birds. This one would be controversial to even some black academics don't like to admit Egyptians as true Africans, human beings who saw themselves as small races and tribes, with family totems and beefs and rivalries over ancestry etc. The word Ba can be found in Ba ntu, Ba Malike, Ba Luba and variations are in our faces as Ama Zulu, Umu Igbo, Omo Yoruba, Wa Swahili, Nwa Igbo, Wa Nyamwezi. Akh Ichie, Agu: ancestors, guiding lights, guiding ancestors Ancestors or elders give enlightenment and guidance wisdom just like stars in the night. Self explanatory. heka/hekau/heqaw Okwu: words, grammar, o-kwu: that which programs or gives rise or lifts or erects or activates or suspends in the air. Pro gram literally means to put out grammar, grammar means signs. So program is to put out signs. This captures the intent of okwu or hekau. You put out signs (okwu), they are received and processed by the brain of other beings or by nature and then a reaction occurs. |
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Bigfellas: In Igbo the word culture is odinani, omenala, omenani - the traditional religion. Igbo language was designed for practicing odinani, so if odinani isn't being practiced the language becomes useless. Asusu Igbo was birthed by Odinani (Igbo culture) just as a tree without roots dies, people adopting akata religion and culture will begin speaking English or Hebrew or German or whatever. |
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Muafrika2: This topic points to the fact "Africans" never came together and settled on a common name or common laws or common goals. Usually when a group has a name its from settling all those issues beforehand. This is why "Africans" are behind, just adopting the same name is not enough to bring power. And a colonizer gave the word to people, the indigenous tribes and kingdoms and villages and clans never came together to settle old grievances and move forward. African/Black as political labels are a propaganda that can never empower the people. Imagine if North Korea was trying to organize itself based on being Asian and yellow instead of the ideology and identity system they created where they even had to separate from south Korea. That's what a powerful identity looks like 1 Like |
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African Traditional religion has leaders such as Oba, Alase, Ooni. Islamic religion has clear political leaders such as emirs, caliphs. Christian religion has leaders such as pastors, bishops, Pope in Vatican City. Remember, in the Bible, Jesus was a threat to the traditional religion of Rome which was based on Africa taken from ancient Egypt. Western "democracy" has leadership system as well as capitalistic system... leads to corrupt billionaires and inequality, no accountability, corrupt mis-education system. All these religious systems were orignally about politics and had their political leaders. Restructuring is about what leadership system will rule. Will African traditional political system finally have a renaissance? That is what the world is watching now. |
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JohnNgene: What is the obvious disadvantage of such an approach? Do you know about the Republic of New Afrika or the Black Panther Party of USA? African Americans have been asking for plebiscite (referendum) to determine their African American independence for 50 years. Now they've got several groups ta. You don't understand. "Biafra" is not coming. Igbo recognition as a nation is not coming either. Not from a united Nations referendum. The most expedient way to become nation is conspiring to vote for nationhood in small groups and conspiring on confederating. Another question. Aren't these political parties are all fighting to be the government of Biafra? Where is the legitimate government of Biafra? Is there a written bill of rights? A constitution? What is the tax system? The currency? Biafra isn't coming just like Republic of new Afrika isn't coming. Too many flaws and contradictions to human Rights laws and actually lacking an agreed system of government. I know IPOB wrote that the "customary government" is translated as ochichi amaala. But that is literally government by village land council. A referendum to form a new nation and unite/confederate could be held by ochichi amaala. Customary government is literally translated Ochichi Omenala but I guess the Jewish/Christian agenda trumps the truth? Troubling sign. I would not be caught holding my breath for United Nations plebiscite or referendum to recognize "Igbo" as one nation, with no agreed upon government. The united Nations is made up of other nations and races that exploit corrupt African states and their resources, and also includes the corrupt African states themselves like Nigeria established by colonizers. Recognizing indigenous black groups as nations would delegitimate every African country. Every Black African indigenous People Would begin demanding sovereignty and human rights and start working together to form a united front. Even one day form our own court system and do away with African Union and ICC and united Nations. I don't think people realize the UN are filled with enemies to Black indigenous agendas and you have to be very savvy approaching people. Or you end up waiting 50 to 100 years for referendum and plebiscite that will never come, before your destitute children start rethinking the whole strategy and cursing the previous generations strategy. This is whats beginning to happen in the USA. Rethink the strategy or there's not going to be any independence. Period. Oduduwa Republic might have a chance as they are trending towards using indigenous customary government as a basis for government. I don't see Zionists with forked tongue running their campaign. |
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JohnNgene: If the issue is autonomy from Nigeria many villages are even called autonomous villages and would merely need education on human rights. We're being kept ignorant of human rights. There is not even a translation of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights being translated into Igbo and distributed. We could have come up with strategy to leave Federation of Nigeria years ago and form our own Federation (Ogbako). If Niger Delta or Ikwere for example doesn't want to be a part of an Igbo or biafran nationality that's their human right. So now we're at an impasse claiming igbo or biafra as a mation. This impasse is now going on for 60 years. This is similar to the Marcus Garvey organization, the UNIA, which refused to change their formula and to this day declares themselves the government of all blacks in the world. Either change the formula or we're stuck in neutral. We don't need bible references or references to Israel to get free. We need widely distributed Igbo translation and education of the human rights declaration and process. The universal declaration of human rights is supposedly the formula to be recognized as an independent nationality... Yet where is the mass distribution and translation of this document? Introducing abrahamic religion and prophecy into human rights process is gaslighting, attempts to misdirect people off course mentally. The attacks on indigenous Black Igbo African governance and culture are so shameless in this so called independence movement... its too much to ignore and must be addressed. Even one group out here calling itself Zionist Biafra movement or something like that. Its a dead movement with questionable origins down to its name, just like Garvey's movement the universal negro improvement association. It is Time to restrategize and be honest with ourselves. I for one know the younger generation are ready for true indigenous black Igbo renaissance and have black allies globally. The idea of identifying with foreign religion is outdated strategy. It was done in hope to make allies from the same ones who demonized our indigenous religion in the first place. Buddha, Tao in Asia becomes Vodu, NTU, Ndu, Odu Afa in west Africa. Related systems but black Africa was colonized and demonized. comparative studies such as comparative linguistics should be done between Asia and Black Africa to remove the stigma. And that should be a goal of a true indigenous black nationalism movement. Not the leader calling indigenous Black religion idolatry and saying he's going to build his own temple while wearing a Jewish star. This is madness. |
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JohnNgene: There is a saying "Igbo enwe Eze" (Igbo have no king ", in other words all Igbo nations were not united under one king or as one nation. Best way to gain independence is individual Igbo MBA to be politically educated on human rights to be recognized as a separate nationality. Then naturally they will come together and name themselves as a union, similar to united states. It's likely all Igbo land won't join such a union at once so I rather not speculate on a name just yet. Rather we should be emphasizing the process of unionizing asnationalnationderder the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is much more difficult. The fact that autonomous Igbo mba and leaders haven't been informed of their human Rights to declare themselves a nation in 2017, the age of information shows a shocking level of incompetence or even worse an agenda that seeks to marginalize traditional leadership and keep them ignorant of their human Rights. Today in the news, Kanu not so subtly insulted indigenous traditional religion and leadership by saying "idolatry" is preventing independence. I'm deeply troubled by these attacks on Igbo tradition and wish they would be taken seriously. |
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omaar12: Yes that is the tribe. But they have many spellings and variations Biafara, Biafada, Biafar, Biafares. The colonial explorers, translators and map makers of the time were not 100% accurate. They were little more than pirates, excuse my bluntness. I can cite written sources, using the alternative spellings such as Biafar, Biafares, Biafada. Some are online, some in Spanish. I just want to break away from Nigeria. It is written as a human right that everyone has a right to determine there own nationality. In Igbo MBA can be used to translate nationality. Biafra is the name of a territory, so it can't be taken seriously as a nation until everyone in the territory agrees to one government and separate from Nigeria. If Niger Delta territory wants to be its own MBA then the concept of Biafra won't happen and it hasn't happened. Its more about territory than indigenous human rights, indigenous nations and consensus at this point |
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Icon4s: He is correct. It is not correct Igbo grammar or an Igbo word. In fact the Bight of Biafra was named after a tribe called Biafara, Biafada, Biafra. They still exist in the region today. I think the lack of confronting and discussing this word and history is holding back Igbo independence movements. The name of a people is supposed to be sacred and tie into their tradition and culture and history. Biafra is actually Biafara the name of a coastal tribe and has nothing to do with us or Omenala (tradition and customs) or Asusu Igbo. Serious discussion on this issue would help. Also there is a translation of human rights where it says every mba (nationality) has the right to self government. So in theory every Igbo autonomous Igbo village can declare itself an mba. Alternatively they can form an ögbakö or amakö (confederation/league) of multiple Igbo MBA (nationality). Then they will be able to be recognized as a separate mba from Nigeria and be recognized by the other nations of the world and handle business accordingly. I am reading the universal human Rights declaration document. In reality a lot of autonomous Igbo traditional communities are eligible to be recognized as MBA separate from Nigeria. But we have to organize and leave the name Biafra behind which isn't Igbo anyways. |
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Its like a soup. Mixed with this and that. 1 Like |
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theeconomist97: Nigeria is one of many Black African states created through acts of Eurasian terrorism. Come off of it. There is no nation. |
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Adewalefae:I didnt think it was so long but it has been edited. |
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For those "educated" people who say war is the only way to achieve self-determination look no further than Gullah/Geechee Nation as evidence to the contrary. Yes there is an African nation, right now, in the United States that has asserted their "human right to self determination" at the United Nations level and amongst themselves as a nation. Although they are historically freedom fighters, they were not engaged in physical war with the United States federal government at the time of their recognition as a nation. This is in direct contradiction to Professor Akin Oyebode, Professor of International law and jurisprudence, who dangerously states "After independence, the only way you bring change about is not by way of referendum. You have to change the facts on the ground militarily. You defeat the federal government militarily. So you have a new state like that of Bangladesh in 1971, like that of Eritrea in 1979, like that of South Sudan four years ago." From the Gullah Geechee website (https://gullahgeecheenation.com/): "The Gullah/Geechees came together to declare themselves as a nation on July 2, 2000 with international observers and media present. The Gullah/Geechee Nation exist from Jacksonville, NC to Jacksonville, FL. It encompasses all of the Sea Islands and thirty to thirty-five miles inland to the St. John’s River. On these islands, people from numerous African ethnic groups linked with indigenous Americans and created the unique Gullah language and traditions from which later came “Geechee.” The Gullah/Geechee people have been considered “a nation within a nation” from the time of chattel enslavement in the United States until they officially became an internationally recognized nation on July 2, 2000. At the time of their declaration as a nation, they confirmed the election of their first “head pun de boddee”-head of state and official spokesperson and queen mother. They elected Queen Quet, Chieftess and Head-of-State for the Gullah/Geechee Nation (https://www.QueenQuet.com). The Gullah/Geechee Nation Constitution is 21 pages long. It is the document of governing principles by which the Wisdom Circle Council of Elders and the Assembly of Representatives operated as the right and left hands of the Head-of-State. |
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