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Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Will Follow Which Religion When Comes Back? by pointblank321: 4:02pm On Jun 04, 2013
ayenny02: It is universally believed, in both the Christian and the Muslim worlds, that Jesus will come again to this world at the end of the age.

I propose to make a brief study of both the Christian and Islamic teachings about the return of Jesus Christ from heaven and to know which religion jesus will practice when he comes back between the two religion.

In christianity we have many bible, many churches, many Gods and many doctrine with different ideologies and they are not worship in the same church

while

In islam,we have one Quran, one God, many sects but worship in the same mosque, believe in the same God and facing the same Qibla

LET SEE THE VERSES FROM BIBLE AND ISLAM OF COMING BACK OF JESUS CHRIST

1. THE RETURN OF JESUS IN THE BIBLE.

Matthew 16:27   For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.


Matthew 24:30  "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.  they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 

Matthew 24: 36-39  No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.   For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;  and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.  That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.


Mark 8:36-38    What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?  If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with holy angels.

2. THE RETURN OF JESUS IN ISLAM

Furthermore, Allah (God) also says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61)

Huzaifa bin Usaid  reported that Prophet Mohammad suddenly came to us while we were talking. He asked, "What are you talking about?" We replied "We were talking about the Last Hour." Prophet (s) said, "It will never come until you see ten signs before it. He then mentioned the Smoke, the Dajjal (Anti-Christ), the Daabba, the Rising of the Sun from the place of its setting, the Descent of Jesus son of Mary (from Heaven), Yajuj and Ma'juj (Gog & MaGog)..."  (Sahih Muslim)

 

Prophet Mohammad said: "In the meantime, while the Dajjal will be busy doing this and this, Allah will send down the Messiah son of Mary (Jesus). He (Jesus) will descend in the eastern part of Damascus, near the white minaret (tower), dressed in the two yellow garments, with his hands resting on the arms of two angels. When he will bend down his head, water drops will appear trickling down, and when he will raise it, it will appear as though pearl--like drops are rolling down. Any disbeliever whom the air of his breath reaches, and it will reach up to the last limit of his sight, will fall dead. Then, the son of Mary will go in pursuit of the Dajjal, and will overtake him at the gate of Lud , and will kill him." (Sahih Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmizi, Ibn Majah).

QUESTION
*Which one is the straight path jesus will follow when comes back

Your thread is very interesting. When Jesus was about to ascend, He was addressing His disciples and said and I quote:

John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.


John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

From the above, we can draw the following concussions: 1. Jesus said he is the only way (verse 6). This means he is not coming for anybody who does not want to go to heaven through him. 2. He was addressing his disciple and he said HE WAS COMING BACK FOR THEM (verse 3), which by implication, He was referring to the disciples and those who follow their footsteps.

I am happy you said Muhammad said "Allah will send down the Messiah son of Mary (Jesus)". That shows even Muhammad knew Jesus is the Messiah. It is he who has the duty of saving mankind. Besides, it is the Christians that are experiencing Jesus manifestations today. We call him and he answers us. I wonder who again he is coming for if not the Christian who he has been interacting with ever since.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Describing Paradise by pointblank321: 12:27pm On Jun 04, 2013
@tbaba: Quoting from your text ''Anyone who is questioned on his sins is doomed.'' How do such ones have received the mercy of their master...? Why will some be questioned and others will not be?

Is your account of muslims' entry in to paradise consistent with Surah 19:71-72, which read:
''And there is not one of you but shall come to it, this is unavoidable decree of your Lord''.

And We will 'deliver' those who guarded (against evil) and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.
(Shakir 19:71-72).

My questions: 1. .....but shall come to it - come to where? 2. .....And we will deliver those who guarded agains evil - deliver them from where they are, Where? 3. ......We will leave the unjust therein on their knees - leave where?

Thank you.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by pointblank321: 10:00am On Jun 04, 2013
@golpen: This is my understanding of your submission: that the bible contains the Torah and Gospel plus other books. In others words, it is only fuller than the torah and gospel. Or should I say the Torah and Gospel in the bible are perfect but other books.

So, the Torah and Gospel in the bible are believable. I would therefore appreciate it if you can help announce to the whole muslim world to believe the Torah and Gospel in the Bible.and reject other books.Thank you.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by pointblank321: 9:02am On Jun 04, 2013
@ayenny02: You have right to your opinions. But I must say that though she was his cousin, he might not have seen her body structure before and so not attracted to her. This might be the reason he married her to Zyeed and not to himself. One would have taken your explanation but for the fact that Muhammad was known for his EXTRA LOVE for women, going by the number of women he married and the manner he married some of them. He was even sleeping with slaves.

How was the writer of the story known to be a liar? What statements did he make before and found to be a lie? Anyway that is not the core of this thread. Let us not overflog the issue. Thank you.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by pointblank321: 12:11am On Jun 04, 2013
@golpen: There is noway you can rightly conclude the contents of torah and injil are included in the quran unless you are saying Surah 87:1-17 is all their contents or you are saying quran is a replacement of the lost torah and injil, which is not. Besides, how do you identify the contents of torah and injil that are included in the quran since you have no access to them?

I have proof from the quran that the torah and injil is the bible according to Sura 3:3 and I quote: ''He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scriptures with truth, confirming that which was revealed before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

What was said to be revealed to Muhammad is the quran. Torah is associated with Moses and Gospel with Jesus. I do not know of any other Book that contains the revelations given to Moses and Jesus apart from the bible. If you say torah and injil is not the bible, the onus is now upon you to let the readers know where they are. You would be dead-wrong to claim toral and gospel is not the bible and yet they cannot be found. In other words you are saying they are lost. If they are lost it means Allah failed to protect them.

On Muhammad and Zynab, if you understand the story very well, you would have discovered it was after he saw her nackednes in Zyeed's house and commented she had a good body structure that Allah spoke to him to marry her. It shows:1. It was the lust he had for her that made him to make the comment. 2. Zynab had not been released when Muhammad saw her and lusted for her because she was still in his (Zyeed's) house. It was the fear of Muhammad that made Zyeed to surrender. It was a forced release. How would a just and holy God support such a marriage? God cannot support oppression. Thank you.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by pointblank321: 10:45pm On Jun 03, 2013
lanrexlan: Brother,there's only one version of the Quran,only one arabic Quran with different translations.The arabic Quran is the same throughout the whole world.
Trinity has no basis in the bible and not all christians believe in it(e.g. Frosbel).Trinity is just a fabrication,God is only One(deuteronomy 6;4,Mark 12;29) and not three in one......Peace

Anybody has the right to believe anything he likes. There are so many religions in the world where people believe different things but Jesus is the only way (John 14:6). Of all the past prophets only Jesus is alive becos He resurrected and do visit His own in this world. He is the only leader who still relates with his followers, others are dead and never remember there followers again. Even if you say He did not die, that further confirms He is alive. If our belief is wrong He would have told us because is not far from us, we hear from Him.

There were many muslims who received His visitation. Not because they love Him but because He loves them and after His visitation their lives did not remain the same again. Nobody received Jesus visitation and refused to get converted to Him. He visits only those who serve God sincerely but in ignorance.

The conclusion is that He knows what we believe and keeps encouraging us to keep our faith till He will come to take us home. JESUS IS LORD.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by pointblank321: 6:35pm On Jun 03, 2013
lanrexlan: Sects aren't allowed in Islam.But unfortunately,people have broken into sects,if we analyse the fundamentals of all these sects are the same,only one true God,one holy book,one prophet and all believed in 5pillars of Islam.There may be a little differences but the basics are the same,all the sects can pray together in a mosque,no discrimination.Unlike christianity,different bibles contradicting one another.....Peace

So we have different versions of quran contradicting one another.

All Christian denominations have the same basic belief i.e the Trinity and we pray to the same God using the name of Jesus.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by pointblank321: 6:23pm On Jun 03, 2013
@golpen: I can not understand why you said the issue of torah and injil should be discussed outside this thread. The topic is 'Nobody Can Corrupt the Bible' and your claim is that the bible is not the torah and injil the quran mentioned but the books of the prophets. This claim of urs engendered the question that where are the taurat and injil the quran talks about or where are the books of the prophets you said. Let me ask again for clarification purposes in case you have changed your mind:

If torah and injil are not the bible, where are they? I remember you said what the quran is talking about are the books of the propherts: where can we find them? Are you saying surah 87:1-17 is the books of the prophet?

Saying we should skip it amounts to getting to the end of the road by you becos that is what the argument is all about, other discussions here are just by the way.

I'm surprised you said I should give you the contents of earlier scriptures that are not in the quran. Where do you expect me to get the earlier scriptures since you said is not the bible? Can you produce them? Saying the earlier scriptures i.e the taurat and injil are not the bible is like shooting yourself in the leg. Allah did not protect torah and injil if they are not the bible as they are completely lost.

On Muhammad and Zynab, I wonder why you did not get the thread I referred you to. I saw it again in this muslims' section even as i'm typing this post. (Interesting Divine Marriage by cleanvessel). If you read it you will discover it was Muhammad's making in the name of Allah. I cannot give you the link becos I use phone.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by pointblank321: 12:53pm On Jun 03, 2013
@golpen: You said the statements in surah 87 is contained in the previous books of Ibrahim and Musa. Was that all Ibrahim's and Musa's Books contained? The quran never claims it is a replacement of Taurat and Injil, rather it refers to them as separate Books. Again, where can we find the Books or Scrolls of Ibrahim and Musa or the Taurat and Injil the quran mentioned? Changed or thrown away? Or better still, do you have them?

About Muhammad taking over Zayeed's wife, Zaynab, I want to ask you to go and read a thread I have just read here in the muslims' section titled 'Interesting Divine Marriage'. Then come back and justify your statements on the matter.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Saudi Islamic Preacher Raped And Tortured His 5-year-old Daughter To Death' by pointblank321: 6:59pm On Jun 02, 2013
The man looks so wicked. What message can such a person preach other than jihad. A man who could afford to kill his own child, who can he not kill. Wetin be de matter with these muslims self?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Nobody Can Corrupt The Bible by pointblank321: 5:42pm On Jun 02, 2013
golpen: You need to be flogged according to sharia law. you know somebody is an elderly man and you are passing insult on him? or are you guessing he is? where is the moral in islam? i'm sure if you have the chance u will join boko haram.

I do not buy your points at all: how do you know the contents of taurat and injil are in the quran? how do you know their contents since you have not seen them before? I once asked in this section what are names of jesus disciples, nobody knew them from the quran and you say it contains the gospel.

The fact that quran gives about 10% info about Jesus does not mean it contains the gospel, other occultic books talk about him too.

It is untrue that islam permits marrying an adopted son's wife. it was after muhammad had taken over zaynab, zyeed's wife that the law was changed. The law was changed to justify his act. The quran says ''henceforth'' there may be no sin for marrying the wife of adopted sons. are you ignorant of dat fact or you are just defending ur religion at all cost, even if you have to lie?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by pointblank321: 6:05pm On May 29, 2013
@ ayenny02

There are many things I love in what you stated. You are one of the muslims who say things as they are - point-blank.

Jesus had Hawariyun. They were twelve in number. This tallies with the Bible as Jesus had twelve disciples. You said only Simon Peter's name was mentioned even though there eleven others. This also tallies with the Bible as Simon Peter was one of the twelve disciples.

Another good thing you said is that your source - the hadith says : the Disciples of Jesus - the Hawariyun was a name given especially to Jesus Disciples and it means he who has been appointed, chosen and PURIFIED FROM ALL KINDS OF DEFECTS.....This indicates that Jesus Disciples were trustworthy people because they were purified from all kinds of defects.

Why would people not believe the words and deed of these Hawariyun (Jesus Disciples), Mathiew, Mark, Luke, John and Simon Peter who were purified from all kinds of defects?

Please I want to implore all and sundry to believe their words. I had once said on NL that Islam and Christianity are the two religions that have many things in common, other religions are far apart.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by pointblank321: 12:59pm On May 28, 2013
maclatunji: ^You are mixing up two different things- authorship of the Bible and the identity of Jesus' (AS) disciples.

I'm talking about both because they are connected.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Jesus Disciples by pointblank321: 10:03pm On May 27, 2013
AdoZazzau: I think Yahya (John The Baptist) is the only one mentioned in Quran. I would like to learn if others were named. The Hadith is a better place to find mentiin of them..

Thank you for your attempt. John the Baptist was not a disciple of Jesus but John his brother.

My reason for asking the question is because I have heard many muslims say the Gospel according to Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were not written by Jesus eye witnesses, who were supposed to be His Disciples.

But when I read in the Quran that Jesus had Disciples, I therefore wondered who could be the disciples the quran talks about if not the twelve, including Mathew, Mark, Luke and John that we see in the Bible.

It would therefore be wrong to say the Gospel was not written by eye-witnesses of Jesus. The disciples were His eye-witnesses, which the Quran said they bore witnesses to Him as clearly stated in the Surat above.

Since the Quran testifies to the fact that there were disciples who witnessed the sayings and deed of Jesus, why doubt their reports as contained in their writings?
Islam for Muslims / Jesus Disciples by pointblank321: 3:54pm On May 27, 2013
Quran 3:52 - But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).

Please can any muslim tell me the names of Jesus Disciples the Quran talks about as stated above? Thank you.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by pointblank321: 3:19pm On May 27, 2013
Can the muslims say categorically where Muhammad and other dead muslims are now before Resurrection Day with authoritative reference?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Muslims Are In Hellfire Pending Resurrection Day? by pointblank321: 3:10pm On May 27, 2013
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Islam for Muslims / Re: Ask Your Questions About Islam And Muslims Here. You Are Highly Welcome :) :) by pointblank321: 3:40pm On Apr 25, 2013
[Shakir 6:115] And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.


Shakir 10:64] They shall have good news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.

Here Allah stated clearly that His words cannot change.

[Pickthal 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

Here Allah was changing His words by replacement after He had said His words cannot change.

(1)Unanswered Questions:

Why did Allah (if God) tell a lie? Can God lie?
Why was He inconsistent by changing His revelations? What happened to the ones earlier revealed that needed to be changed? Errors? Can God commit errors?

[Pickthal 5:101] O ye who believe! Ask not of things which, if they were made known unto you, would trouble you; but if ye ask of them when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made known unto you. Allah pardoneth this, for Allah is Forgiving, Clement.

[Pickthal 5:102] A folk before you asked (for such disclosures) and then disbelieved therein.

(2)Unanswered Questions:

What questions did some muslims ask and what did they discover that made them turn away from Islam?
What secrets are there in Islam that only those who are ignorant of them remain in the religion?
Why would Allah forbid muslims from asking questions in search of truth as you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free?

Many hadiths have it that Muhammad was tormented three times and each of the times he almost gave up the ghost when he first had contact with Gabriel.

(3) Unanswered Questions:

Why would Muhammad be tortured to be sent good news?
What has good news got to do with punishment?
It is bad news that is associated with punishment, good news is expected to bring joy, why was Muhammad's case different?

[Pickthal 96:1] Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth,

[Pickthal 96:2] Createth man from a clot.

[Pickthal 96:3] Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,

[Pickthal 96:4] Who teacheth by the pen,

[Pickthal 96:5] Teacheth man that which he knew not.

(4) Unanswered Question:

How did Allah teach Muhammad by pen (in writing) and yet he remained and died an illeterate man?

Abraham lived and died in Israel, not Arabia. Ishmael was sent out of Israel and went to settle in Arabia (Genesis 21:14). How is it that it was Abraham and Ishmael who jointly built Kaaba in Arabia?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam: The Unanswered Questions by pointblank321: 9:40pm On Apr 20, 2013
@ teniyi

No hiding at all, I'm a christian by His grace.

Christianity and Islam are the only religions that have many things in common unlike other religions that are far apart. Therefore we are supposed to be friends but we should dig deeper to know why there are differences and who is wrong.

Meanwhile I am expecting your answers to the questions raised above.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam: The Unanswered Questions by pointblank321: 6:23pm On Apr 20, 2013
teniyi: A confession from the like of GJO Moxay in his book who is this Allah, has said you can convert some muslims but not a genuine muslims.
If there anybody who leaves Islam, please check him or her again. Its not a question of whether they ask question or not, its either a misgiven or in search of materialism.
The facts are there, there are more people coming to Islam than to Christianity. Infact, its only in poorest regions of the world that you can see people leaving Islam.

Before other people will respond, you need to know that Quran lives in the heart of the Muslims and not like Bible that an Enemy of Jesus - Paul wrote more than 70% of the new testament which resulted to the reason why you will never achieve a united family as muslims do because what came from God ( Allah) is not the same as the one from a man (Paul).

This is a blanket response, a reply to every line of your question will come soon.

In your reply, please disabuse your mind about the number of people coming to christianity or islam. We are not into a competition.

It is not the number of people in a religion that determines whether or not it is of God. There are many other great religions in the world apart from christianity and islam.

From bible history, only the minority of people are always on the side of the true God and so it is even now.

Let me drop a hint. As judgement day draws nearer, the number of true christians will be reducing. Narrow is the way that leads to heaven and not many are on that way.
Islam for Muslims / Islam: The Unanswered Questions by pointblank321: 3:00pm On Apr 20, 2013
[Shakir 6:115] And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.


Shakir 10:64] They shall have good news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.

Here Allah stated clearly that His words cannot change.

[Pickthal 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

Here Allah was changing His words by replacement after He had said His words cannot change.

(1)Unanswered Questions:

Why did Allah (if God) tell a lie? Can God lie?
Why was He inconsistent by changing His revelations? What happened to the ones earlier revealed that needed to be changed? Errors? Can God commit errors?

[Pickthal 5:101] O ye who believe! Ask not of things which, if they were made known unto you, would trouble you; but if ye ask of them when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made known unto you. Allah pardoneth this, for Allah is Forgiving, Clement.

[Pickthal 5:102] A folk before you asked (for such disclosures) and then disbelieved therein.

(2)Unanswered Questions:

What questions did some muslims ask and what did they discover that made them turn away from Islam?
What secrets are there in Islam that only those who are ignorant of them remain in the religion?
Why would Allah forbid muslims from asking questions in search of truth as you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free?

Many hadiths have it that Muhammad was tormented three times and each of the times he almost gave up the ghost when he first had contact with Gabriel.

(3) Unanswered Questions:

Why would Muhammad be tortured to be sent good news?
What has good news got to do with punishment?
It is bad news that is associated with punishment, good news is expected to bring joy, why was Muhammad's case different?

[Pickthal 96:1] Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth,

[Pickthal 96:2] Createth man from a clot.

[Pickthal 96:3] Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,

[Pickthal 96:4] Who teacheth by the pen,

[Pickthal 96:5] Teacheth man that which he knew not.

(4) Unanswered Question:

How did Allah teach Muhammad by pen (in writing) and yet he remained and died an illeterate man?

Abraham lived and died in Israel, not Arabia. Ishmael was sent out of Israel and went to settle in Arabia (Genesis 21:14). How is it that it was Abraham and Ishmael who jointly built Kaaba in Arabia?
Religion / Re: Jesus And God by pointblank321: 10:24am On Feb 14, 2013
@F00028

All your questions require the same answers which I have given severally. I can't keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

The Bible says Jesus cried to Eli (Matthew 27:46), not Alah.
Religion / Re: Jesus And God by pointblank321: 2:29pm On Feb 13, 2013
F00028:
you see that's your problem right there: you are not after truth, you are just playing to gallery...nl xtians do that a lot
undecided

have you addressed these?:
-what distinctly makes Jesus God? for
example did he say, unambiguously, he
was God? because the Almighty God is
not shy to proclaim it e.g Isaiah 42:10.
eze. 34:31

-and if that is true why would the Qur'an
exhort Muslims to seek refuge in God
from the devil even before reciting it ?


blah, blah, blah



so that's your proof that 2000 years ago a young Jewish Girl called Mary actually met a "true angel", was not tortured and afterwords was found with child?

a book that you dont know for certain who wrote? and the author tells you plainly he was not inspired by God. he wrote because he saw everyone else was writing.

and you think Mathew (another anonymous book) is supposed to be confirmation for Luke?

are you for real? undecided


exactly! the Almighty God does not need a son.
HE does need to come together with one of his creation just to produce another human being. HE does not beget, and was not begotten.

Allah (Satan) that demon Gabriel introduced does not have a son. But the true God has a Son and other children including me.

I know it is not easy to get out of satan's prison. Go to the Muslims' section and defend all the lies of Allah paragraph by paragraph in the thread titled 'The Book From Satan'.

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Religion / Re: Jesus And God by pointblank321: 8:51am On Feb 13, 2013
@F000028

Again, you dodged refuting paragraphs 5 and 6 above. So they stay valid. Keep dodging, the readers are watching.

Do I still need to prove that the messages of demon Gabriel to Muhammad were inconsistent with the Bible? Are they not direct opposite?

Gabriel that appeared to Mary was not the one that appeared to Muhammad. Mary was not tortured, Muhammad was. Other people who had contact with the God's true Gabriel were not tortured. Are the two Gabriel the same? It is the Devil that torture innocent people. I said all these earlier but you pretended as if you didn't see them.

God's Gabriel that appeared to Mary said she was going to have a son who shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). Allah's Gabriel that appeared to Muhammad said Allah does not have a son. Are they the same Gabriel?

The message of salvation of man is so important to God. Hundreds of years, the birth of Jesus had been prophesied. God's Gabriel told Mary she was going to have a son who shall be called Son of God (Lk 1:35). God Himself confirmed the message He sent earlier through Gabriel (Matthew 3:16-17). Who confirmed Allah's Gabriel message moreso that it was different from the one on ground? Muhammad's Gabriel represented nobody, he was on his own as there was no confirmation from his sender.

What qualifies a person as a prophet is his ability to hear from God. Was Muhammad a prophet? Why didn't he hear directly from God like other prophets?

I would not expect you to raise questions already answered but you can jump or dodge any one you have no refutal because it is the truth,
Religion / Re: Jesus And God by pointblank321: 5:46pm On Feb 12, 2013
F00028:
how do you know? undecided
doesn't the God you believe in know any science? how can the Bible, if it is his book, be full of scientific absurdites?


proof?


what document did Gabriel bring for him to read?


dont make me laugh! "recite" and "repeat after me" do not mean the same thing cheesy


he wasn't a reciter. that was his reply.


how can you tell the difference?
and if that is true why would the Qur'an exhort Muslims to seek refuge in God from the devil even before reciting it ?

You ran away from answering some of the paragraphs. Why?

It has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that Allah or Gabriel was an evil spirit:

Firstly,there were many people including a young lady, Mary who had contact with God's true angel Gabriel and there was no report of torture. God's angels don't torture people to bring good tidings.

Secondly, the messages brought by Gabriel were inconsitent with the ones before them and there was no confirmation by his sender. He alone spoke throughout the quran.

Thirdly, God's true prophets hear His voice, even the young Samuel. Muhammad was the only prophet who did not hear the voice of he who appointed him as a prophet in muslims' Book.

On reading or reciting, if it was not 'say after me', what was Muhammad commanded to recite? Gabriel was meeting him for the first time, no prior revelation or discussion, recite what? Gabriel was a liar whether it was recite or read. But we know it was 'read' as pen was mentioned. It has to do with writing and reading.
Religion / Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by pointblank321: 5:00pm On Feb 12, 2013
Joel.:
I am not a muslim, i said i am christain and i found that site. So i decide to share with with fellow christain to explain things to me. Me my hand nor dey oo. I wash my hand o

Stop pretending. You are a liar like your god, allah.
Religion / Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by pointblank321: 4:49pm On Feb 12, 2013
ooman: THE BIBLE SAYS A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE

You are incorrect. It was Allah (satan in disguise) that told many lies in the quran that muslims have no defence. Let me refer you to a thread in the muslims' section titled '' The Book From Satan''.
Religion / Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by pointblank321: 4:30pm On Feb 12, 2013
gidiMonsta: ^^^

That's the lamest defense of the bible I've ever seen. C'maaaaan So you mean God changed the structure of the universe after the bible was written? You're full of crap.

What proof do you have that it was not a change by God after creation as there have been changes in both nature and man? Is the universe not part of nature? Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary of Current English defines nature as ''the whole universe and every created thing''.
Religion / Re: The Bible Says: The Earth Is Flat! by pointblank321: 1:24pm On Feb 12, 2013
Thank you fake joel. Telling lies is quranic.

The scientists are making research into the handiwork of the Creator, God. Whatever their discoveries are if correct, they are as created or re-created by God.

Things are changing. The Quran came into existence only about 1400 years ago but the Bible had been existing long before then.

We hear of climate change. Man has also changed. The only permanent thing is change. If things are different from the form and nature they were in the Bible days, it means God has changed them. Between the period of the Bible and Quran many changes had taken place and possibly things will continue to change.

When children were born 40 years ago and earlier, they would not open their eyes until 7 days. If a book was written at that time it would say children open their eyes 7 days after birth. But if a book is written today it will say something different. Why? God has changed man's nature.

In the same vein, in the Bible time people were living up to 900 to 1000 years. What is life propensity today? Who caused the change? God.

Whatever God said in the Bible about His creations and it is no more in the same nature and form now, it is because changes have taken place.

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Religion / Re: Jesus And God by pointblank321: 8:56am On Feb 12, 2013
F00028:
does he?


1 Samuel 2:8 -PILLARS
Isaiah 11:12 -FOUR CORNERS
Daniel 4:10-11- FLAT EARTH


really, now? smiley


as your friend has already admitted, Gabriel did not bring along any document for him to read ....

and Qur'an 96:1-5 never said, "read what your Lord has written"

I want to inform you that satan as an arch-spirit knows science more than any scientist.

Yes. God has changed the form and nature of many things He created and will possibly continue to do.

I also want to confirm to you that Gabriel commanded Muhammad to read and not to recite. Recitation is 'repeat after me'. Could Muhammad not repeat (recite) what was said to him in his own language at age 40?

Why should he allow himself to be tortured as many as three times if it was only to recite, which he could do easily? When he was almost dead in torture, he asked ''what can I read''.

Gabriel (satan in disguise) was not representing Allah. He was the Allah himself and that was why Allah did not speak even a word in the whole of the Quran.

Gabriel impersonated the name Allah, which the Arabs believed to be the true God. Muhammad is to be pitied. He had no choice but obey Gabriel otherwise he would be killed. Along the line he believed it was the true God that appointed him as His prophet.

Was it for nothing that Kaaba, the centre for satan worship (idol worship) was chosen as Allah's holy centre where his faithfuls should face to reach him? Don't you reason that it was a manipulation by Allah to continue the worship of him (satan)? Why would the true God choose a spiritually polluted place, Kaaba, the centre for worship of various idols as His holy Temple? Never.

Practically speaking, the way the islam faithfuls worship their Allah in Kaaba, Mecca is the same as other idol worshipers do. With their heads cleanly shaven, they tie round themselves white clothes in the exact manner the other idol worshipers do to worship their gods. No doubt islam is satan worship.
Religion / Re: Jesus And God by pointblank321: 8:56am On Feb 12, 2013
F00028:
does he?


1 Samuel 2:8 -PILLARS
Isaiah 11:12 -FOUR CORNERS
Daniel 4:10-11- FLAT EARTH


really, now? smiley


as your friend has already admitted, Gabriel did not bring along any document for him to read ....

and Qur'an 96:1-5 never said, "read what your Lord has written"

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