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Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 5:07pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech:Re-read my post above to see that your comment here, is not just only corroborating it but is also re-echoing it FarmTech:This is a given, beloved. It's a sure thing that, after accepting Christ, good works must follow. FarmTech:Of course you mention the sins you see others commiting, and pointing at the speck in their eyes, after you have removed the plank of wood in your eyes FarmTech:It is weak males, who will crumble at the sight of mothers and ladies dressing like prostitutes to church. Have you a problem(s) with prostitutes? Do you look at prostitutes in disdain and with your nose in the air? Have you researched the interesting genealogy of Jesus? |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 5:26pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
livingchrist:. Waiting. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 5:26pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
BassReeves:. Can u explain your thoughts in a thread about gay marriage below? . BassReeves: |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by livingchrist: 6:20pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech:Ok, here is the link where jesusjnr (former monika) said Allah is his God. https://www.nairaland.com/5442276/nairalanders-please-need-opinion#82670903 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 6:28pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
livingchrist:. Preaching against sin does not have only one purpose. It helps sinners to repent or see the need to repent. It helps Christians to grow from infants to maturity. Fact is, if anyone live in sin, he is not a christian. He have not been saved. If u dress like a prostitute or cultist, u are not a Christian and u have not been saved. Such a person is only deceiving him/herself. . If gud works cannot save u after salvation, is it bad works that will save after salvation? Remember what James said: Faith without work is dead. Show me ur faith, and I will show u my faith by my works. U will have a better understanding of faith and works if you read Paul's and James' writings. See a gud explanation here: https://rsc.byu.edu/vol-13-no-3-2012/paul-james-faith-works. . Even demons have faith that there is one God and they tremble. But they are not loyal to him. That kind of faith is dead. Likewise, any person who claim to have faith in Christ without obeying his commandment, that person's faith is dead. Jesus said: If u love me, obey my commandment. U are not saved if u don't produce good fruits. . 1 John 3:9 Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 6:45pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech: Righteousness and sinlessness are not thesame. Righteousness is a gift received through new birth. It is the new nature christ gave to us. Romans 5:17 . . . they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousnes shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ Question is if the gift of righteousness is less than what Christ had or did christ give the church lesser Righteousness 2 Likes |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 6:51pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech: What of the one that insult people on nairaland. Is he a Christian also 1 Like |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 6:52pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
livingchrist: Wonderful now we know how he got he doctrine of righteousness wrong. Where do we start from. This na work oh 1 Like |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:55pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
First of all the criminal will not go to heaven, what Jesus promised him is Paradise not heaven! Secondly the works of faith has a lot to do with trusting (believing) in Jesus' sense of judgment, no matter what good works we humans believe if it's not according to what Jesus taught then it will end up a failure. For your information there is no church founder in the early twentieth century that doesn't have good intentions before establishing a church because as at then it wasn't a money making ventures. But due to the fact that their Churches we're not build on the doctrine of Christ it grew up (like a seed) to become a failure in the end. Jesus said "BY THEIR FRUIT" {Matthew 7:16} so you can't distinguish between the church of Christ and the congregation of devil from the start no matter how smart you are. For Jesus to have confirmed that even angels (perfect intelligent beings) in heaven can't identify false Church from inception then know that imperfect humans like you and i can't know them. But after several years of their establishment there they will never produce the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit which qualities are LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23 FarmTech: |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 7:00pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech:[img]https://media./images/83144cef453b6cb74f63274129d7c290/tenor.gif[/img] FarmTech is digging up old threads, to instead of from countless many other things to choose from, decidedly zeroed on, this strong desire wanting to know specifically about thoughts on gay marriage? I just knew you are bothered with imaginable specks in others' eyes, than the glaring plank of wood in your eye. We can do trade by barter. You go first, satisfactorily answer all the questions asked on the thread you dug up and dragged in here. Give your responses in the same order and/or sequence the questions were asked, then I'll oblige and reciprocate you |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by livingchrist: 7:13pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech: Bro, there is only one way to be saved and that is Jesus. Everything in the bible points to Jesus, the essence of repentance is so that people can have faith in Jesus John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus is the only way not goodworks, penance or any religious activity or morality. Only faith in Jesus can sanctify a man. Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. You see that it is the faith in Christ that sanctifies a man not to merely believe there is God. The faith of demons is to believe that there is God, that is not a saving faith. Muslims, traditionalists, witches, occultist or other religion believe that there is God but that is not a saving faith. 2 Likes |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr1: 7:46pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 8:06pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:Christ's Righteousness , even as discussed by Paul, IS NOT God's Righteousness. You are expected to seek the Kingdom of God and then God's righteousness. This is not done after with even if you are of those who were imparted Jesus Christ's Righteousness, which is doubt since you are not of the blood of Jacob - were not previously bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 8:37pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:If only I could like more than once this post Kobojunkiee:Christ's Righteousness, even as discussed by Paul, IS NOT God's Righteousness. Really? Who to your best understanding does Apostle Paul know Jesus Christ is? 1 Like |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 8:51pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
Kobojunkiee: Just leave matter bros You are expected to seek the Kingdom of God and then God's righteousness. This is not done after with even if you are of those who were imparted Jesus Christ's Righteousness, which is doubt since you are not of the blood of Jacob - were not previously bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses. That was before his death. Now the righteousness made Available as gift wirhout the law Rom 3:21 — Rom 3:22 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 2 Likes |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 8:58pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:Christ's Righteousness even as spoken of by Paul IS NOT God's Righteousness. You may not know it now but the next time you read through even Paul's epistles, pay attention to that. I am afraid you are also wrong about His death.His death was the completion of what He told you He came to do, which is to fulfill the Old Covenant on the behalf of those of the Old Covenant(the Lost sheep of Israel) who would switch to the New Covenant. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 9:06pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:Another one, another nice post Kobojunkiee:1/ Who specifically is this 'the Lost sheep of Israel'? 2/ At what exact point did the ordeal and/or plight of 'the Lost sheep of Israel' come into begin? |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 10:13pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
jesusjnr2020:. I meant the books they wrote, like Cor., Eph, James, Peter etc. The whole bible is the word of God. One of the rule of Bible interpretation is that u don't interpret one part in such a way that it will contradict another part. You also have to interpret in context. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 10:15pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
livingchrist:. Thanks. But he didn't went on to specify the Allah he meant - Arabic Allah or Koran Allah. I hope he says sth about it here. . Pls, also share the link were he says Mohammed is a true prophet. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by petra1(m): 10:41pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
Kobojunkiee: The new testament was only effected after his death. Heb 9:16 — Heb 9:17 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 10:55pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
livingchrist:. I don't know when u people will understand me. How many times shud I repeat myself? Or u are deliberately trying to frustrate the truth? . I said that faith in Christ must come first. After that, good works must follow. Do u disagree with that? Ur believe in Christ means nothing if u don't bear good fruits. Christ came to call sinners out of sin! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 10:57pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
BassReeves:. I just don't feel comfortable arguing christian spirituality with a gay-lesbian supporter. Repent so that u may see the speck in other peoples' eyes. Now I understand why some people will viciously attack holiness and righteousness preachers. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 10:58pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:. Insulting people is bad. Do u agree with what I wrote there? |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 11:04pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:The goal was to fulfill the Old Covenant Law of Moses, obtaining the promise included of a forever in the land of Canaan, and the only way was to live and die in one's righteousness, as death is the only way to be free from the hold of the Law .i.e dead to the Law and alive in Jesus Christ(the New Law) Jesus Christ lived and died a righteous man by Old Covenant standards , on behalf of each and everyone of the lost sheep of Israel(the sinners), who bound by the Old Covenant, would choose Him, the New Covenant instead, His righteousness "imparted" to each one who would - that is Christ's righteousness in even Paul's writings. Gentiles were never bound to the old law and so had and still have no part in Christ's righteousness since according to the Old Law,only those who of the blood of Jacob were bound to the Old Law in any way or form. As for life in the New Covenant, all are rendered equal since all are expected to seek God's Kingdom and God's Righteousness, through submission to and obedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ and the Will of God, in order to achieve the promised kingdom to Heaven and the treasures therein. And the |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by LisaAnneMia: 11:07pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
FarmTech:Hi! I understand you feel grace is against preaching about right doing or about holiness. It's actually the opposite. Men can preach the commandments and laws and people will not change from the inside out. Sin is bad we all know that. Grace on the other hand, transforms believers from the inside out. Grace Himself teaches believers on what to do. Grace is Jesus. He alone can transform people from the inside out. If you preach to gays that they're sinning and they'll go to hell, few may stop due to this, but that urge will still be there. They aren't transformed from the inside out. What's the best way then? Tell them the love Jesus has for them and how he's forgiven them of all their sins and want them to stay saved. Let them have a relationship with Him and He'll be the one to transform them from the inside out, where those urges will disappear. Grace will enable believers to produce the fruits of the Spirit and they'll end up obeying the commandments effortlessly...Grace has been highly misconstrued. But it's okay if you still feel otherwise. Just wanted to enlighten you more. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 11:28pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:. No, Christ didn't gave us a lesser righteousness. But what we must know is that if sb actually received that righteousness, he won't continue in sin. Otherwise he is just fooling himself. Faith in Christ without good work is dead. Shall we continue in sin for grace to abound? 1 Like |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 11:51pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
petra1:Holiness/Perfection(sinlesssness) comes before Righteousness and this is true in both the Old and New Covenants. You cannot obtain God's Rigteousness without first becoming Holy and Holy through submission and obedience to the commandments of God in either case. Jesus Christ died so that through His death, those formerly sinners(lost sheep of israel) are made holy(His Holiness), and then righteous(His Righteousness) and then dead(His death) to the Old Covenant Law, but reborn in the New Covenant Law. Christ's righteousness(and death) guarantees them the promise of Abraham which only belongs to those of the blood of Jacob. Once made alive in the New Covenant, they being alive to the New Law are expected to seek the Kingdom of God and God's righteousness through obedience of the commandments of the New Covenant Law as contained in the teachings of Jesus Christ. |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by FarmTech(m): 12:05am On Apr 28, 2021 |
LisaAnneMia:. No, u don't understand me at all. How many times will I repeat myself? . "I said that faith in Christ must come first. After that, good works must follow. Do u disagree with that? Ur believe in Christ means nothing if u don't bear good fruits. Christ came to call sinners out of sin!" . Of u have faith in Christ, he will give u the holy spirit, who will guide u and transform u from the inside out. . So if u preach to gay, u will preach only the love of Christ and shy away from telling them the truth that gay is evil? Is that not why we have gay people that think they are born again? U don't see what is happening in countries like USA? U want that to happen in Nigeria? If u are truely a christian, u will preach against sin. . U said: "Tell them the love Jesus has for them and how he's forgiven them of all their sins and want them to stay saved. " And I ask u: do u think it is all sinners that acknowledge that they are sinning? They would even use the bible to defend their sins. So how would they repent then, if no one tell them that their sin is sin? Did Jesus and his apostles not spoke against sin? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 3:59am On Apr 28, 2021 |
FarmTech:The ocean is comfortable with itself, and so, does not fear. Its only the scared person who wants to enter the ocean, who feels not comfortable and so gets afraid. This would have turn out to be a comfortable life changing discussion and not any arguing matter, had it been, you stepped out of your ethnocentrism and dug in FarmTech:Homophobics, like you are, hardly repent. FarmTech, do you as a fyi, know that homophobia, too, is a sin actually? Do you know what Jesus, in Matthew 7:3, said about someone like you, pointing at seeing an imaginary speck in other peoples' eyes? FarmTech, Jesus said: Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank of wood in your own eye? FarmTech, coming from Apostle Paul, is the leading by example, of admitting to being 'the worst of sinners' Karma, oh so sweet karma, comes for all the stupidly devout quasi-holiness and quasi-righteousness, slyly evil, falsifying, ignorant, sanctimonious hypocrites FarmTech:It is evident that you have no inkling, no idea what the two words 'viciously' and 'attack' means before using the two words to construct your sentence and comment with them |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by BassReeves: 3:59am On Apr 28, 2021 |
LisaAnneMia:Gays are the least of anyone's and/or any place's problem. LisaAnneMia, tell me how many gays are in the presidency? How many gays are in position of power, influence, legislation making and governing Naija? Is it gays causing the wanton and senseless killings upandan the length and breath of the country? Is it gays perpetuating the economy decay and corrupt practices year in, year out in the country? LisaAnneMia:LisaAnneMia, you have grace highly misconstrued, beloved. Watch a bird soar spread its wings, soar into air and begin to fly to understand what grace is. Watch fishes, like dolphins, in a manner requiring no spiritual, physical or mental exertion swim, turn, rise and lower themselves in the water, to understand what grace is about. On top that and on another note, fyi, the fruit of the Spirit, is singular, not plural. Lets get the fact right on that last observation. FarmTech:You don't understand yourself at all, hence the many times you keep repeating your ignorances, shallow theology and poor grasp of scriptures FarmTech:Why not have the decency and boldness to list all the bad works of gays you believe to be, and I will reciprocate each on your list with good works to follow. Are you up for this or you want to play the chicken out and easier way out card? FarmTech:FarmTech, let me give you an opportunity to publicly say, what exactly is the evil in being gay? What is it specifically that is happening in countries like USA then? What exactly is it that you dont want that to happen in Nigeria? FarmTech:Beloved, listen blood. If there is any sin, that is demonstrably killing people, locally and at home, it certainly isn't your imaginable sin(s) of gays. If there is any sin, that is demonstrably making people not able to sleep at night with both eyes shut or closed, locally and at home, it certainly isn't your imaginable sin(s) of gays. If there is any sin, that is demonstrably making congo or kongo of garri, locally and at home, not being affordable to the common man, it certainly isn't your imaginable sin(s) of gays. I have a list of ills, longer than my arm, of suffocating and demonstrably snuff life out of all right across board in the country but them three should suffice, as you aren't dense not to get the picture that gays aren't the cause of peoples' misery, wretched conditions etc here. Yet people like you have the gall to go after God fearing, innocent, harmless, affectionate, faithful, not promiscuous, minding their own business gays. Why? its because you are locked inside the echo chamber of a polarised mind and its because gays are easy target to take pot shot at, so with your over bloated too self-righteous to see your own, unjustly condemn them |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:18am On Apr 28, 2021 |
The only solution is to PRESENT a congregation of people in whose gathering the works of the flesh can't grow. Galatians 5:19-20 Then everyone can see what true Christianity is {Matthew 5:14-16} not just arguing fruitlessly when you already have gays claiming born again Christians. The truth is all these daddy GOs and Bishops in Africa are playing cards with you guys, they switch to whatever doctrines the majority feels is virtuous. For instance 70% of Nigerian believe in the churches but ask them to mention Bible believing churches, many will not even talk about their own Church there are some churches registered in their brains as Bible believing churches due to the traditional beliefs handed over to them like: ©Alcoholic beverages is evil. ©Secular music is not good for born again. ©Jewelries, makeups and attractive clothes not OK for born again sisters. But the trend is changing today, go to RCCG now you'll notice that their females that were not allowed to do all these things few decades ago are no more under such restraint. The few churches maintaining this old tradition are gradually loosing followers to the new generation churches. As long as their God is the same, as they pray together and practice some customs like Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, New Year and likes together as denominations belonging to the same FAITH, they will sooner or later embrace born again gays! FarmTech: |
Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by jesusjnr1: 5:02am On Apr 28, 2021 |
Look up there to see proof of how the idea that God's righteousness could be inherited justifies iniquity like homosexuality and their workers. That's what is bound to happen when people say that one doesn't have to obey God's Word to become the righteousness of God but just by inheritance. Workers of iniquity, ritual killers, homosexuals, pedophiles, adulterers, rapists etc., who have not repented would be justified, as they could just inherit the righteousness of God without turning away from their wicked and abominable ways and obeying God's Word. The devil is indeed a liar! That's why we must ensure we keep speaking the Truth regardless of the opposition we face especially from the so-called Christians many of whom are workers of iniquity. And the gates of hell cannot prevail. God bless. |
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