zeb04:


I don't know what this guy is talking about.
I am a clinical embryologist, i perform biopsies for human embryos and the Head of the unit is an embryologist as well.
I really do not understand what all these comparisons are for?

Embryologist I think ought to be working with fertility centres right or IVF? If you've read what's on page one you would have understand where I am getting at. Anyways I feel humbled to have replied to an Embryologist. I don't think they are many in Nigeria but I am pleased to have quoted one.
I apologise for the mix up. Yours was more explicit.

Let's help you plan on your Agribusiness idea to convince an investor

Zeeknow3245:

Who is reading for Jamb. I see how you go around spiting those Doctors in the hospital. If you want proof, I will give you but anyways I misquoted you.FB100 was the one who stepped on a wrong foot.

This guy. It's like you really have a problem.
You're just sprewing lies here and there.

femianski:
This guy. It's like you really have a problem. You're just sprewing lies here and there.

Really?.I will let this slide. I can't prolong the issue again.

Zeeknow3245:

Really?.I will let this slide. I can't prolong the issue again.

I have heard enough about the jargons you spew on this thread and I have taken the pains to go about looking for what I need especially links and verified facts

I don't like lecturing people like you who don't want to learn but I will do this for the sake of people viewing this thread especially aspirant

I have gone to the UK official health site NHS and the ASCP USA for scientists to get you verifiable facts and not random Google search

I hope you go through the links peacefully especially anonymous viewers of this thread

https://www.ascp.org/content/board-of-certification/about-boc
The link above is from USA
ASCP are the ones who license medical laboratory scientist and pathologist(dr) in the USA
You said it's pathologist(dr) who license scientist in the USA but from the above link you can see that ASCP is a birth between ASCL(American society for clinical Scientist) and ASCP(American society for clinical pathologist)
So you saying we are being licensed by doctors in the US is a sheer lie and ignorance

https://www.ascp.org/content

do well to go through this with the above one

https://shp.rutgers.edu/clinical-lab-and-imaging-sciences/doctorate-of-clinical-lab-science/
https://shp.utmb.edu/ClinicalLaboratorySciences/dcls/default.asp
https://ascls.org/dcls/
The above three links is about MLSD
You said there's nothing like MLSD rather you said it's called Diploma in Medical Laboratory Science but from the links above you can see that Doctorate degree in medical laboratory science is already in Ghana and the USA
You can see from the above link that there's a doctorate in in medical laboratory science

https://ascls.org/dcls/
This link above is officially from the US Association of Clinical Scientist talking about the doctorate degree
You can clearly see for yourself no need to argue that with you

https://myhealthbasics.site/doctor-of-medical-laboratory-sciences-mls-d-at-uds/
https://www.drehmkannde.com/meet-the-first-batch-of-doctor-of-medical-laboratory-science-mls-d/
Above is more link about the doctorate degree in medical laboratory science in Ghana

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/
In the UK medical laboratory scientist are called biomedical scientist and the link above is about the further training scientist undergo after BMLS degree
The training last for 3 years
And in this period of three years you will be paid well
You will be earning around 30k US dollars a year for three years
The STP is equivalent to MLSD in the US
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/applicants/
You can see for yourself that scientist fury go more training in the world so why must Nigeria be a difference

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/applicants/
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/
The above training is also done in the UK
This is another five years training scientist undergo after the 3 years STP program to become consultant
This training is called Higher Specialist Scientist Training Program(HSST)
After the program you will automatically become a consultant
And in the period of this 5 years you will be paid well monthly more higher than a clinical scientist
It's just like residency doctors do
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/applicants/hsst-specialisms/
During this HSST trainees you will specialize in one of this area as seen from the above link
Audiological science
Cardiac science
Clinical biochemistry
Clinical bioinformatics(genomics)
Clinical biochemistry(health informatics)
Clinical bioinformatics(physical sciences)
Clinical biomedical engineering
Clinical Immunology
Gastrointestinal physiology
Genetics
Haematology
Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics
Medical physics
Molecular pathology of acquired disease
Neurophysiological science
Reproductive science
Respiratory and sleep physiological sciences
Virology

After your five years you will become a consultant

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk
From the above link you can see vet doctors are not regarded as health workers in the UK
So you can see you can't compare veterinary medicine to any health course aside physiology and anatomy or probably pharmacology

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG15
From the above link you can see clearly that MLS nor Nursing or pharmacy is an allied medical course
Clearly you can see from the link jobs and careers in allied medical career

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG20&keyword=Healthcare%20Assistant
Above are jobs adverts for health care assistant
Do you see Nursing or MLS there?
That's to show you we are not assisting or playing second fiddle to doctors but rather we are professional and autonomous
So I get you cleared on that

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35&keyword=Trainee
From the above link you can also deduce that we are not planning second fiddle as we are scientist by training and profession

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35
The above is also a job advert inviting specialist/consultant scientist who have under go the HSST program which I explained above

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/doctors/
From the group link you can see that when they call for employment of doctors in the UK
Vet doctors are excluded
only doctors with MBB background are called

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
You can try and use the above link to Google veterinary doctors to see if you have any relevance in the UK not to talk of underdeveloped country like Nigeria lol

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
You can perform all your search on the NHS job links for your useless vet doctors

Zeeknow3245:

Really?.I will let this slide. I can't prolong the issue again.

Do I need to remind you between you and me who is disgruntled now
You poor jambite
After you weren't able to get medicine and surgery you are trying to smuggle the title doctor by choosing veterinary medicine

You keep saying we scientist are playing second fiddle
Do I need to remind you how vet are playing second choice to the extent of not being considered a Mem of the health team

You keep saying we are trying to bear the titles rather it's you vets that are trying hard to keep relevant by calling yourself doctors

You said MLSD doesn't exist in anywhere rather it's a diploma in medical laboratory science
But I have present you proof from Ghana our neighbor
US where it started
It's in the above links
You said we are trying hard to bear the titles doctor but do I need to remind you a PhD holder is a doctor
You guys can keep using the title doctor but the stigma of using the prefix animal or vet will always be a torn on your flesh
only scientist and MBBS doctors can use the word medical on introducing yourself

As a vet student you can't be called a medical student
you use the word paramedical or allied bla bla on us but from the link I have clearly shown you that we are not allied or assistant rather we are in the medical line ourselves

I have also shown you from the above links that we under go further training such as the well paid STP program to become scientist in the UK
Also we can further under go a five additional HSST program with a well paid package to become consultant/specialist scientist
Now you tell me how many consultant vet medics you have seen?
Tell me where in the world you guys are trained to become consultant/specialist
I do know the MBBS doctors undergo residency but I haven't seen any vet medic undergoing special training aside doing masters and PhD to become poor virologist in a reference lab if luck smiles on him

You can also see from the links I provided above that we have consultant nurses
You tell me how can a consultant nurse be playing second fiddle

It's only in Nigeria here all this happen

Soon we will be integrating MLSD in Nigeria
And our post graduate college will be set like the one in the USA

But please don't argue with health professionals as you guys relevance is negligible

Don't you ever in your life compare any medical courses to your useless veterinary medicine

As for you being proud of vet institute lol
You are so naive
Common SLT have an institute
Nothing to be proud of poor jambite
Like they do tell you in the medical student thread where I found this thread link
Jamb no dey tire you lol
You will keep writing jamb every year until you understand that there's nothing like paramedical or allied in college of medicine

About the vaccine lol
Common biochemist can produce a vaccine
You guys are too irrelevant as I saw some of your seniors preaching one health in a microbiology group on WhatsApp trying to enlighten people on the importance of poor vet doctors in one health
what a cursed profession

Saying you guys have your own lab in ncdc lol
What a low thinking
Do I need to enlighten you that medical laboratory scientist have their own department now in all hospitals
According to the national industrial court of Nigeria
The only way to work in a medical laboratory is to get a BMLS degree
Pathologists don't longer come close to any medical laboratory
Poor jambite

Until you graduate you won't know why veterinary medicine is useless in this country

And for your info

There's no career abroad for veterinary doctors
If there's explain and elaborate

Until then continue your jamb preparations on your journey to veterinary medicine and playing second fiddle to medical doctors

Google will keep feeding you with lies until you will decide to use your numb skull

And please don't forget to tell us about the veterinary doctors who you said are on conmess
please do

I am feeling sleepy now

See you tomorrow and wishing you a happy weekend

femianski:

Can you imagine? You don't know how shocked I was when I found out he's not even in the medical line but just an ordinary veterinary student. No wonder he always slots in Veterinary medicine into any argument concerning human health.

check the links I shared

To all medical professionals, thank you.

FBB100:


I have heard enough about the jargons you spew on this thread and I have taken the pains to go about looking for what I need especially links and verified facts

I don't like lecturing people like you who don't want to learn but I will do this for the sake of people viewing this thread especially aspirant

I have gone to the UK official health site NHS and the ASCP USA for scientists to get you verifiable facts and not random Google search

I hope you go through the links peacefully especially anonymous viewers of this thread

https://www.ascp.org/content/board-of-certification/about-boc
The link above is from USA
ASCP are the ones who license medical laboratory scientist and pathologist(dr) in the USA
You said it's pathologist(dr) who license scientist in the USA but from the above link you can see that ASCP is a birth between ASCL(American society for clinical Scientist) and ASCP(American society for clinical pathologist)
So you saying we are being licensed by doctors in the US is a sheer lie and ignorance

https://www.ascp.org/content

do well to go through this with the above one

https://shp.rutgers.edu/clinical-lab-and-imaging-sciences/doctorate-of-clinical-lab-science/
https://shp.utmb.edu/ClinicalLaboratorySciences/dcls/default.asp
https://ascls.org/dcls/
The above three links is about MLSD
You said there's nothing like MLSD rather you said it's called Diploma in Medical Laboratory Science but from the links above you can see that Doctorate degree in medical laboratory science is already in Ghana and the USA
You can see from the above link that there's a doctorate in in medical laboratory science

https://ascls.org/dcls/
This link above is officially from the US Association of Clinical Scientist talking about the doctorate degree
You can clearly see for yourself no need to argue that with you

https://myhealthbasics.site/doctor-of-medical-laboratory-sciences-mls-d-at-uds/
https://www.drehmkannde.com/meet-the-first-batch-of-doctor-of-medical-laboratory-science-mls-d/
Above is more link about the doctorate degree in medical laboratory science in Ghana

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/
In the UK medical laboratory scientist are called biomedical scientist and the link above is about the further training scientist undergo after BMLS degree
The training last for 3 years
And in this period of three years you will be paid well
You will be earning around 30k US dollars a year for three years
The STP is equivalent to MLSD in the US
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/applicants/
You can see for yourself that scientist fury go more training in the world so why must Nigeria be a difference

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/applicants/
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/
The above training is also done in the UK
This is another five years training scientist undergo after the 3 years STP program to become consultant
This training is called Higher Specialist Scientist Training Program(HSST)
After the program you will automatically become a consultant
And in the period of this 5 years you will be paid well monthly more higher than a clinical scientist
It's just like residency doctors do
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/applicants/hsst-specialisms/
During this HSST trainees you will specialize in one of this area as seen from the above link
Audiological science
Cardiac science
Clinical biochemistry
Clinical bioinformatics(genomics)
Clinical biochemistry(health informatics)
Clinical bioinformatics(physical sciences)
Clinical biomedical engineering
Clinical Immunology
Gastrointestinal physiology
Genetics
Haematology
Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics
Medical physics
Molecular pathology of acquired disease
Neurophysiological science
Reproductive science
Respiratory and sleep physiological sciences
Virology

After your five years you will become a consultant

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk
From the above link you can see vet doctors are not regarded as health workers in the UK
So you can see you can't compare veterinary medicine to any health course aside physiology and anatomy or probably pharmacology

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG15
From the above link you can see clearly that MLS nor Nursing or pharmacy is an allied medical course
Clearly you can see from the link jobs and careers in allied medical career

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG20&keyword=Healthcare%20Assistant
Above are jobs adverts for health care assistant
Do you see Nursing or MLS there?
That's to show you we are not assisting or playing second fiddle to doctors but rather we are professional and autonomous
So I get you cleared on that

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35&keyword=Trainee
From the above link you can also deduce that we are not planning second fiddle as we are scientist by training and profession

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35
The above is also a job advert inviting specialist/consultant scientist who have under go the HSST program which I explained above

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/doctors/
From the group link you can see that when they call for employment of doctors in the UK
Vet doctors are excluded
only doctors with MBB background are called

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
You can try and use the above link to Google veterinary doctors to see if you have any relevance in the UK not to talk of underdeveloped country like Nigeria lol

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
You can perform all your search on the NHS job links for your useless vet doctors

First things first I will be going in this direction to handle the MLS issue
*The Myth that the US offers Doctor in MLS.
The US doesn't have a Degree termed a Doctor of Medical Laboratory Science. For a degree to qualify as a Doctoral degree,it must have to be done after a 2 year bachelor degree.
These are the the degrees done after a 2 year Bachelor degree in the "Acclaimed US"
*Dr of Medicine (MD)
*Dr of Osteopathic Medicine (OM)
*Dr of Physiotherapy (DPT)
*Dr of Veterinary Medicine (DVM)
*Dr of Pharmacy (PharmD)
*Dr of Dental Science(DDS)
*Dr of Optometry (OD)
*Dr of Podiatry Medicine (DPM)
I hope you can see where the 'D' is placed except Medicine which bears (Medical Doctor).
PharmD has the 'D'in front of the the "Pharm". Optometry has the 'D'in front of the O which means "Oculus Doctor".
Please can you show me where Med Lab is in the Medical College Assessment Test which comprises of the afforementioned courses?
The MLSD(Doctor of Medical Laboratory Science) was proposed by the Kansas State University as a "terminal degree". Proposed not yet offered. MLS.Phd is offered in many institutions in the US and UK.
Please take a look at this. ASCLS meets with the ASCP yearly to discuss plans to move their Profession forward so it doesn't become outdated.
The Lab Professional Week was designed by the ASCP to like help give notice to their side chicks.

This will further show why MLS is one of the most saturated courses in the UK. Ask for the link I give you.
I can't talk to much. This is from a UK site a popular one at that. Feel free to check the link https://ghoopi.com/reason-not-to-studying-biomedical-science/

FBB100:
Don't you ever in your life compare any medical courses to your useless veterinary medicine

As for you being proud of vet institute lol
You are so naive
Common SLT have an institute
Nothing to be proud of poor jambite
Like they do tell you in the medical student thread where I found this thread link
Jamb no dey tire you lol
You will keep writing jamb every year until you understand that there's nothing like paramedical or allied in college of medicine

About the vaccine lol
Common biochemist can produce a vaccine
You guys are too irrelevant as I saw some of your seniors preaching one health in a microbiology group on WhatsApp trying to enlighten people on the importance of poor vet doctors in one health
what a cursed profession

Saying you guys have your own lab in ncdc lol
What a low thinking
Do I need to enlighten you that medical laboratory scientist have their own department now in all hospitals
According to the national industrial court of Nigeria
The only way to work in a medical laboratory is to get a BMLS degree
Pathologists don't longer come close to any medical laboratory
Poor jambite

Are you really this pained about being a "Side Chick". Nurses that are Top Tier side Chick that even head units not department as I was made to understand by a Foreign Nurse and an Embryologist are not these pained as your Profession is. Veterinary Laboratory Technology is offered in Nigeria in our NVRI and a picture below will prove to you that Veterinary Laboratory Technology is a Bsc degree in many countries so stop claiming one kind of Demi god. An example is below
If you can be affable,I can show you other Universities in the world offering it

FBB100:
Don't you ever in your life compare any medical courses to your useless veterinary medicine

As for you being proud of vet institute lol
You are so naive
Common SLT have an institute
Nothing to be proud of poor jambite
Like they do tell you in the medical student thread where I found this thread link
Jamb no dey tire you lol
You will keep writing jamb every year until you understand that there's nothing like paramedical or allied in college of medicine

About the vaccine lol
Common biochemist can produce a vaccine
You guys are too irrelevant as I saw some of your seniors preaching one health in a microbiology group on WhatsApp trying to enlighten people on the importance of poor vet doctors in one health
what a cursed profession

Saying you guys have your own lab in ncdc lol
What a low thinking
Do I need to enlighten you that medical laboratory scientist have their own department now in all hospitals
According to the national industrial court of Nigeria
The only way to work in a medical laboratory is to get a BMLS degree
Pathologists don't longer come close to any medical laboratory
Poor jambite

Now let me show this. You will definitely be pained but just take a look at this. It was last updated last month https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations
From the picture below, my humble boss you are a "Lab Technician". Anybody can be a Lab Technician with a degree in sciences. SLT are lab technicians same goes for biochemists who work in the Lab but you can't be a Veterinarian. You see the title "Veterinarian" it is only unique to us. You said we're not sort after right? You guessed wrong. We earn 12000 pounds your annual income. So you can go to the UK and fight them. Who would even believe Choreographers are paid higher than you guys?
Animal Health isn't Human health remember that

FBB100:
Don't you ever in your life compare any medical courses to your useless veterinary medicine

As for you being proud of vet institute lol
You are so naive
Common SLT have an institute
Nothing to be proud of poor jambite
Like they do tell you in the medical student thread where I found this thread link
Jamb no dey tire you lol
You will keep writing jamb every year until you understand that there's nothing like paramedical or allied in college of medicine

About the vaccine lol
Common biochemist can produce a vaccine
You guys are too irrelevant as I saw some of your seniors preaching one health in a microbiology group on WhatsApp trying to enlighten people on the importance of poor vet doctors in one health
what a cursed profession

Saying you guys have your own lab in ncdc lol
What a low thinking
Do I need to enlighten you that medical laboratory scientist have their own department now in all hospitals
According to the national industrial court of Nigeria
The only way to work in a medical laboratory is to get a BMLS degree
Pathologists don't longer come close to any medical laboratory
Poor jambite

Well not to lead yourself astray, We have a Veterinary College a Post grad at that. I even forgot that we are called Surgeons. Wait is there any like Medical Laboratory Surgery?.
This is the link my humble mister https://www.vcn.gov.ng/College-of-Veterinary
Less I forget the picture below the first is a Veterinary teaching Hospital for "Animals"were the likes of your profession with PhD are employed as Technical staff.

You don't see the Human Doctors fighting the
Veterinary profession or vice versa because we're all Pilots. The Human Doctors which head the Passenger Planes and the Veterinarians who head the fighter jet. So where do we put Medical Laboratory Scientists......Techincal staff.It is an Independent field of treating other creatures. Do we have resident doctors? Yes of course. It is an independent profession and we don't need approval from any body for it.
Take at this below. It is in Nigeria here not abroad FYI. This is just a glimpse. If you want to make further investigations check Blueblood Vet. Yes they have a wonderful technical staff consisting Radiographers and our beloved Medical Laboratory Scientists

FB100. You said where do Vets even work?Abi "They're useless, non-professional and dejected".
What stupid CONMESS do they earn? Do Medical schools even put their name on the list for Job offer? Behold I give you this.
Well if you look at the "Hardcopy" you will see in Prisons service there's CONMESS stated there for Veterinarians,CONHESS for Pharmacist and CONPASS for the technical staff. Evidence you say?

Finally before I leave to rest FB100 and his very close Ally femianski. These are the specialities that are done in Veterinary Medicine. I don't know oo but when Medical Laboratory Scientists have their own Independence they can be Medlab cardiology,Medlab Pathology,Medlab Dentistry

Nigeria has over 10 of these Veterinary specialities.
NOTE:
Histopathologist, Haematologist, Chemical Pathologist are Doctors not Lab Technologist. So if you want doctor go do PhD. You people here and your partners in Ghana are all pained.
In your Ignorance,you called Veterinary Medicine Allied Health Science because they are job openings in NHS for MLS and Nursing for "Humans". I told you that Vets have their Clinic and their openings for Job different yet you're calling "Veterinary Medicine" a non-medical course and they have specialities, use medical instruments etcetera etcetera.
Was it not the you guys that were happy to wear "Scrubs"? People sha

I believe at this juncture, I'll have to step in. I want to implore both parties especially @zeeknow to stop this bickering. There is no profession that is not important or does not have a role in the scheme of events. "MLS is useless, MLS is useless" but you cannot get a confirmatory diagnosis without a medical lab report !!! "MLS is useless, MLS is useless" you cannot be admitted for surgery without a medical lab report and can not even be discharged!!! "MLS is useless MLS is useless" they form an important component of ANC. My point is that, there is no profession that is not important in the scheme of things, if these professions were useless they would have naturally gone into extinction. However in as much as all these professions have their roles, we have what we call "professional heirachy" or you could say ranking. For example, no matter how highly educated a MLT(Technician) graduate is, he/she cannot be placed in the same level or above an MLS (Scientist), that is what is called professional heirachy. Professional heirachy is determined by many factors, some of which include 1) Duration of study 2) Credit load of course 3) Impact of the profession in the scheme of events etc.
In Nigeria today, the professional heirachy in the human health profession include the following
1) Medical doctors, Dentist and Optometry+/-
2) Pharmacist+/-
3) Medical Lab Science/Nursing/Radiography/Physiotherapy etc
4) Basic sciences: Anatomy, Physiology, Pharmacology etc
5) Technicians: MLT, Dental Technician, CHEW, X-ray Technician etc.
At close observation, you would observe that I did not include Veterinary medicine, that is because Veterinarians are not under human health workers rather animal health workers, that is why there are not part of Johesu and even when going on a joint epidemiological survey for example during Ebola, Bird flu pandemic they come under animal/Veterinary component. But the wisdom behind it, is that 2 captains cannot sail a ship. If Veterinarians are under human health, who would then sail the ship because as far as professional heirachy is concerned, Veterinarians are at the top of the food chain, same heirachy as Human doctors (as shown in the publication above), whether we feel they are relevant or not, it is what it is. In conclusion, I would wish for all these bickering to stop, everyone is important in their own respective ways, let's concentrate on making our respective profession more useful to the society and we would see that respect would be a natural sequalae!!!!

FB100 and his Ally feminanski have just been running around to defend an Allied course. Well FB100,the Vaccines produced in Nigeria are below . The link is here https://nvri.gov.ng/products

seunH:
I believe at this juncture, I'll have to step in. I want to implore both parties especially @zeeknow to stop this bickering. There is no profession that is not important or does not have a role in the scheme of events. "MLS is useless, MLS is useless" but you cannot get a confirmatory diagnosis without a medical lab report !!! "MLS is useless, MLS is useless" you cannot be admitted for surgery without a medical lab report and can even be discharged!!! "MLS is useless MLS is useless" they form part of the important components of ANC. My point is that there is no profession that is not important in the scheme of things, if these professions were useless they would have gone into extinction. However in as much as all these professions have their roles, we have what we call "professional heirachy" or you could say ranking. For example no matter how highly educated a MLT(Technician) graduate is, he/she cannot be placed in the same level as an MLS (Scientist), and MLS would always be placed ahead of a MLT, that is what is called professional heirachy. Professional heirachy is determined by many factors, some which include 1) Duration of study 2) Credit load of course 3) Impact of the profession in the scheme of events etc.
In Nigeria today, the professional heirachy in the human health profession include the following
1) Medical doctors and Dentist
2) Pharmacist
3) Medical Lab Science/Nursing/Radiography/Physiotherapy etc
4) Basic sciences: Anatomy, Physiology, Pharmacology etc
5) Technicians: MLT, Dental Technician, CHEW, X-ray Technician etc.
If you are observant, I purposely removed Veterinary medicine, that is because Veterinarians are not part of human health workers rather part of animal health workers, that is why as you can see are not part of Johesu and even when going on an epidemiological survey, they are under animal/Veterinary component. But the wisdom behind it, is that 2 captains cannot sail a ship. If Veterinarians are under human health, who would the sail the ship because as far as professional heirachy is concerned a Veterinarian in at the top of the food chain same heirachy with Human doctors as shown above. Whether we feel they are relevant or not, it is what it is. In conclusion, I would wish for all these bickering to stop, everyone is important, let's concentrate on making our respective profession useful to the society, we would see that respect would be a natural sequalae!!!!

. Noted the beakering must stop and I really Apologise. In George's Orwell Animal Farm"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others

Zeeknow3245:
This will further show why MLS is one of the most saturated courses in the UK. Ask for the link I give you.
I can't talk to much. This is from a UK site a popular one at that. Feel free to check the link https://ghoopi.com/reason-not-to-studying-biomedical-science/

Do you know why I hate arguing with poor jambite like?
It's because they can never reason sensibly even when the write up is cleared on the wall

Now I will elaborate since your ignorance won't allow you to check the links I exhaustively searched and put above

You can keep saying rubbish that there's nothing like MLSD in the US
I won't dwell on that as far I have proved that to the anonymous viewers of this thread who went through the links I shared above
So you can keep speaking ignorantly

About discussing in the US every year to improve our profession according to your screenshot
It's an old article
Search well and you will see schools offering DCLS(MLSD)in the US
I won't get you links for that as I already showed above from the links that MLSD started in US and already in Ghana
Keep writing yourself in self denial
I already proved MLSD(DCLS) is already in US and Ghana
Whatever you type it's none of my business since you are so dumb to read and comprehend

As far MLSD is already in Ghana
It will soon start in Nigeria
Thank God you acknowledged shamelessly that MLSD is already in Ghana
Why not Nigeria?

About the Ascls you are bickering about
They are equivalent to the AMLSN in Nigeria

Your problem is that you can't read and comprehend and you will keep killing yourself in self denial

Anyway I forgot you are just a poor jambite
A disgruntled one at that

Zeeknow3245:
This will further show why MLS is one of the most saturated courses in the UK. Ask for the link I give you.
I can't talk to much. This is from a UK site a popular one at that. Feel free to check the link https://ghoopi.com/reason-not-to-studying-biomedical-science/

Like I said stop giving me random Google links

You said MLS is saturated but from the app links I showed you countless job adverts for medical laboratory scientist(biomedical scientist) for the post of Biomedical science, clinical scientist and consultant/specialist scientist

The UK needs more scientist to fill their labs

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35&keyword=Biomedical%20Science
https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35
https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35&keyword=Trainee

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/

Those links are directly from the NHS UK
NHS is the official health Link for jobs in the health sector
You can go through it
Stop feeding me random links from Google
From the links I just put above you can see MLS is not saturated
I won't want to go about searching for veterinary medicine as it will be a waste of time

Biomedical is never saturated
We have high job prospects outside the shores

What about veterinary medicine?
I forgot you guys don't have a market lol

Be realistic man and stop allowing Google to feed you with lies

FBB100:


Do you know why I hate arguing with poor jambite like?
It's because they can never reason sensibly even when the write up is cleared on the wall

Now I will elaborate since your ignorance won't allow you to check the links I exhaustively searched and put above

You can keep saying rubbish that there's nothing like MLSD in the US
I won't dwell on that as far I have proved that to the anonymous viewers of this thread who went through the links I shared above
So you can keep speaking ignorantly

About discussing in the US every year to improve our profession according to your screenshot
It's an old article
Search well and you will see schools offering DCLS(MLSD)in the US
I won't get you links for that as I already showed above from the links that MLSD started in US and already in Ghana
Keep writing yourself in self denial
I already proved MLSD(DCLS) is already in US and Ghana
Whatever you type it's none of my business since you are so dumb to read and comprehend

As far MLSD is already in Ghana
It will soon start in Nigeria
Thank God you acknowledged shamelessly that MLSD is already in Ghana
Why not Nigeria?

About the Ascls you are bickering about
They are equivalent to the AMLSN in Nigeria

Your problem is that you can't read and comprehend and you will keep killing yourself in self denial

Anyway I forgot you are just a poor jambite
A disgruntled one at that

I won't argue with you that much. You ask for proof I gave you. So only Ghana that's offering it as a degree. If you like make it 10 years you would still play that second fiddle
*I gave you all the courses offered as Doctoral degree
*You asked if it is sorted here and Abroad and I told you their Salaries. That we earn far more than you guys naw. I provided the link
*You asked if we provided Vaccines and I gave it to you, provided our Veterinary Research Institutes and products.
*You asked for how top are we in job position and if we receive CONMESS. I gave it to you and even told you guys earn CONHESS and CONPASS.
*You asked for saturation, I told you that less than 10 schools offer Veterinary Medicine and over 90 offer Laboratory Science. In Nigeria only few schools offer Veterinary Medicine and they're only 13 Federal schools only. MLS over 70 both private, public and state schools. Which is supposed to be saturated.
*You asked if there's Veterinary Post graduate College I showed you.
*I showed a Teaching Hospital
What more do you want. I am not the Reason you're studying MLS abi you're a MLS graduate. My phone dictionary doesn't even have MLS the only MLS is Major League Soccer in the US.
So just calm down,do your MBBS and become a Doctor and then proceed to be a Pathologist so you can head lab instead if being a Lab manager.
Veterinary Medicine will always be Important in this Life. If it wasn't useful, many countries even the poorest countries would not have a Research Institute for it.
I am not a Jambite. Stop the hate and heal

Zeeknow3245:

Are you really this pained about being a "Side Chick". Nurses that are Top Tier side Chick that even head units not department as I was made to understand by a Foreign Nurse and an Embryologist are not these pained as your Profession is. Veterinary Laboratory Technology is offered in Nigeria in our NVRI and a picture below will prove to you that Veterinary Laboratory Technology is a Bsc degree in many countries so stop claiming one kind of Demi god. An example is below
If you can be affable,I can show you other Universities in the world offering it

Hahaha you know one thing I loved about you
You love bringing random Google links
Everything you have been sharing so far are Random
No official links
You said nurses are top tier side chicks to medical doctors(not vets)
You love hailing medical doctors
That's to show you how poor and myopic you have been
Stop using medical doctors to buttress your point
You talk carelessly that I wonder if you even have a brain
I clearly prove to you that in the UK we have consultant nurses
Do you know what it takes to be a consultant?
You don't know but let me help your ignorance
Consultancy status need more training and specialization
I don't know more about Nursing if not I would have showed you there specialization
Do you know there are nurses who perform surgery?
Do you know their are nurses who administer anaesthesia?
What do you think of Nursing?
As far professionalization is concerned every profession is autonomous and it's not tied to the spring of any profession
A doctor cannot head nurses same way pathologist(dr) can't head scientist

Every profession is developing that doesn't mean they are trying to be like others

Until your ignorance leave you to understand this you will keep writing jamb every year

FBB100:


I have heard enough about the jargons you spew on this thread and I have taken the pains to go about looking for what I need especially links and verified facts

I don't like lecturing people like you who don't want to learn but I will do this for the sake of people viewing this thread especially aspirant

I have gone to the UK official health site NHS and the ASCP USA for scientists to get you verifiable facts and not random Google search

I hope you go through the links peacefully especially anonymous viewers of this thread

https://www.ascp.org/content/board-of-certification/about-boc
The link above is from USA
ASCP are the ones who license medical laboratory scientist and pathologist(dr) in the USA
You said it's pathologist(dr) who license scientist in the USA but from the above link you can see that ASCP is a birth between ASCL(American society for clinical Scientist) and ASCP(American society for clinical pathologist)
So you saying we are being licensed by doctors in the US is a sheer lie and ignorance

https://www.ascp.org/content

do well to go through this with the above one

https://shp.rutgers.edu/clinical-lab-and-imaging-sciences/doctorate-of-clinical-lab-science/
https://shp.utmb.edu/ClinicalLaboratorySciences/dcls/default.asp
https://ascls.org/dcls/
The above three links is about MLSD
You said there's nothing like MLSD rather you said it's called Diploma in Medical Laboratory Science but from the links above you can see that Doctorate degree in medical laboratory science is already in Ghana and the USA
You can see from the above link that there's a doctorate in in medical laboratory science

https://ascls.org/dcls/
This link above is officially from the US Association of Clinical Scientist talking about the doctorate degree
You can clearly see for yourself no need to argue that with you

https://myhealthbasics.site/doctor-of-medical-laboratory-sciences-mls-d-at-uds/
https://www.drehmkannde.com/meet-the-first-batch-of-doctor-of-medical-laboratory-science-mls-d/
Above is more link about the doctorate degree in medical laboratory science in Ghana

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/
In the UK medical laboratory scientist are called biomedical scientist and the link above is about the further training scientist undergo after BMLS degree
The training last for 3 years
And in this period of three years you will be paid well
You will be earning around 30k US dollars a year for three years
The STP is equivalent to MLSD in the US
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/stp/applicants/
You can see for yourself that scientist fury go more training in the world so why must Nigeria be a difference

https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/applicants/
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/
The above training is also done in the UK
This is another five years training scientist undergo after the 3 years STP program to become consultant
This training is called Higher Specialist Scientist Training Program(HSST)
After the program you will automatically become a consultant
And in the period of this 5 years you will be paid well monthly more higher than a clinical scientist
It's just like residency doctors do
https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/hsst/applicants/hsst-specialisms/
During this HSST trainees you will specialize in one of this area as seen from the above link
Audiological science
Cardiac science
Clinical biochemistry
Clinical bioinformatics(genomics)
Clinical biochemistry(health informatics)
Clinical bioinformatics(physical sciences)
Clinical biomedical engineering
Clinical Immunology
Gastrointestinal physiology
Genetics
Haematology
Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics
Medical physics
Molecular pathology of acquired disease
Neurophysiological science
Reproductive science
Respiratory and sleep physiological sciences
Virology

After your five years you will become a consultant

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk
From the above link you can see vet doctors are not regarded as health workers in the UK
So you can see you can't compare veterinary medicine to any health course aside physiology and anatomy or probably pharmacology

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG15
From the above link you can see clearly that MLS nor Nursing or pharmacy is an allied medical course
Clearly you can see from the link jobs and careers in allied medical career

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG20&keyword=Healthcare%20Assistant
Above are jobs adverts for health care assistant
Do you see Nursing or MLS there?
That's to show you we are not assisting or playing second fiddle to doctors but rather we are professional and autonomous
So I get you cleared on that

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35&keyword=Trainee
From the above link you can also deduce that we are not planning second fiddle as we are scientist by training and profession

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35
The above is also a job advert inviting specialist/consultant scientist who have under go the HSST program which I explained above

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/doctors/
From the group link you can see that when they call for employment of doctors in the UK
Vet doctors are excluded
only doctors with MBB background are called

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
You can try and use the above link to Google veterinary doctors to see if you have any relevance in the UK not to talk of underdeveloped country like Nigeria lol

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
You can perform all your search on the NHS job links for your useless vet doctors

Guy Veterinary Medicine is not Under the NHS so stop whining naw. Take a look at this before you think they are under the Ministry of Health.
The Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD) is an Executive Agency of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) seeking to protect public health, animal health, the environment and promoting animal welfare by assuring the safety, quality and efficacy of veterinary medicines in the United Kingdom.
Veterinary Medicine in Nigeria is under the Ministry of Agriculture naw who is talking NHS? I never mentioned NHS naw so what's the Problem? Is it because we're paid CONMESS that's hurting you this bad in public service? Calm down naw.
Veterinary Medicine is a Medical course not Allied. It is a Liaison between Man and Animals, Man and Food and Man and Diseases.
I don't think you should press further

FBB100:


Hahaha you know one thing I loved about you
You love bringing random Google links
Everything you have been sharing so far are Random
No official links
You said nurses are top tier side chicks to medical doctors(not vets)
You love hailing medical doctors
That's to show you how poor and myopic you have been
Stop using medical doctors to buttress your point
You talk carelessly that I wonder if you even have a brain
I clearly prove to you that in the UK we have consultant nurses
Do you know what it takes to be a consultant?
You don't know but let me help your ignorance
Consultancy status need more training and specialization
I don't know more about Nursing if not I would have showed you there specialization
Do you know there are nurses who perform surgery?
Do you know their are nurses who administer anaesthesia?
What do you think of Nursing?
As far professionalization is concerned every profession is autonomous and it's not tied to the spring of any profession
A doctor cannot head nurses same way pathologist(dr) can't head scientist

Every profession is developing that doesn't mean they are trying to be like others

Until your ignorance leave you to understand this you will keep writing jamb every year

Veterinarians are equivalent of Medical Doctors not side chick. The Reason why Nurses wouldn't be headed by Medical Doctors was because they never created the profession. Medical Laboratory Science was created by the ASCP naw before giving the a little autonomy to ASCLS. Why does ASCLS meet with ASCP?
Please take a look at this. It was written for over a Decade. But the first picture is the definition of whom a side chick is.
Read you're an adult naw. Veterinarians are equivalents.
Nurses can perform surgery yes. Nurse practitioners do it. Minor surgeries it is what it is called. Caesarian section is their major discipline. Endoscopy and Some minor things are there
I haven't seen a Nurse operate on anybody's heart, stomach, Intestines, Lungs,Brain,eyes. If you don see show me link abeg.

FBB100:


Hahaha you know one thing I loved about you
You love bringing random Google links
Everything you have been sharing so far are Random
No official links
You said nurses are top tier side chicks to medical doctors(not vets)
You love hailing medical doctors
That's to show you how poor and myopic you have been
Stop using medical doctors to buttress your point
You talk carelessly that I wonder if you even have a brain
I clearly prove to you that in the UK we have consultant nurses
Do you know what it takes to be a consultant?
You don't know but let me help your ignorance
Consultancy status need more training and specialization
I don't know more about Nursing if not I would have showed you there specialization
Do you know there are nurses who perform surgery?
Do you know their are nurses who administer anaesthesia?
What do you think of Nursing?
As far professionalization is concerned every profession is autonomous and it's not tied to the spring of any profession
A doctor cannot head nurses same way pathologist(dr) can't head scientist

Every profession is developing that doesn't mean they are trying to be like others

Until your ignorance leave you to understand this you will keep writing jamb every year

Why do I use Medical Doctors to butress my point? Tell that to Wikipedia who says "The Veterinary Doctor,Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, Veterinary Medical Doctor, Vet physician or Vet surgeon is the equivalent of a Human". I am not Wikipedia and this article had been written over a Decade.
You can consult your dictionary if you care. Tell your dictionary to stop calling them Medical Doctors oo.

Zeeknow3245:

Now let me show this. You will definitely be pained but just take a look at this. It was last updated last month https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations
From the picture below, my humble boss you are a "Lab Technician". Anybody can be a Lab Technician with a degree in sciences. SLT are lab technicians same goes for biochemists who work in the Lab but you can't be a Veterinarian. You see the title "Veterinarian" it is only unique to us. You said we're not sort after right? You guessed wrong. We earn 12000 pounds your annual income. So you can go to the UK and fight them. Who would even believe Choreographers are paid higher than you guys?
Animal Health isn't Human health remember that

You are so ignorant
Are you this dumb that you don't know the difference between a Lab technician and a medical laboratory technician/scientist

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/
https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/xi/search_vacancy/?action=search&staff_group=SG35&keyword=Biomedical%20Science

The first link is a free search for you
You can search for jobs there and I think this will clear your ignorance
The second link is a job adverts for biomedical scientist(medical laboratory scientist)

You can see clearly that we are not lab technician
A biochemical scientist starts from band 5 earning not less than 18k euros in the UK
A clinical scientist(STP) start from band 6/7 earning not less than 30/40k euros
A consultant clinical scientist starts from band 7/8 earning not less than 70k euros

I have already told you to stop displaying your ignorance by sharing random Google links

I will keep spoon feeding you from the UK health sector NHS

From the links above you can also see the pay on the job description

Zeeknow3245:

Well not to lead yourself astray, We have a Veterinary College a Post grad at that. I even forgot that we are called Surgeons. Wait is there any like Medical Laboratory Surgery?.
This is the link my humble mister https://www.vcn.gov.ng/College-of-Veterinary
Less I forget the picture below the first is a Veterinary teaching Hospital for "Animals"were the likes of your profession with PhD are employed as Technical staff.

I don't know much about your post graduate college but when I have the spare time I will do justice to it

As for post graduate college

ours as being signed by NASS just awaiting presidential assent
https://medicalworldnigeria.com/post/national-postgraduate-college-of-medical-laboratory-science-bill-passed-into-law?pid=23722

In that college they will be training specialist scientist to become a consultant

I wonder how a consultant will be playing second fiddle to a pathologist lol

What a poor jambite

FBB100:


I don't know much about your post graduate college but when I have the spare time I will do justice to it

As for post graduate college

ours as being signed by NASS just awaiting presidential assent
https://medicalworldnigeria.com/post/national-postgraduate-college-of-medical-laboratory-science-bill-passed-into-law?pid=23722

In that college they will be training specialist scientist to become a consultant

I wonder how a consultant will be playing second fiddle to a pathologist lol

What a poor jambite

Lol out ooo. Una no get anything. It is still pending abi