Zeeknow3245:
You don't see the Human Doctors fighting the
Veterinary profession or vice versa because we're all Pilots. The Human Doctors which head the Passenger Planes and the Veterinarians who head the fighter jet. So where do we put Medical Laboratory Scientists......Techincal staff.It is an Independent field of treating other creatures. Do we have resident doctors? Yes of course. It is an independent profession and we don't need approval from any body for it.
Take at this below. It is in Nigeria here not abroad FYI. This is just a glimpse. If you want to make further investigations check Blueblood Vet. Yes they have a wonderful technical staff consisting Radiographers and our beloved Medical Laboratory Scientists

Zeeknow3245:

. Noted the beakering must stop and I really Apologise. In George's Orwell Animal Farm"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others

Zeeknow3245:

Guy Veterinary Medicine is not Under the NHS so stop whining naw. Take a look at this before you think they are under the Ministry of Health.
The Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD) is an Executive Agency of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) seeking to protect public health, animal health, the environment and promoting animal welfare by assuring the safety, quality and efficacy of veterinary medicines in the United Kingdom.
Veterinary Medicine in Nigeria is under the Ministry of Agriculture naw who is talking NHS? I never mentioned NHS naw so what's the Problem? Is it because we're paid CONMESS that's hurting you this bad in public service? Calm down naw.
Veterinary Medicine is a Medical course not Allied. It is a Liaison between Man and Animals, Man and Food and Man and Diseases.
I don't think you should press further

Zeeknow3245:

Lol out ooo. Una no get anything. It is still pending abi

FBB100:


And veterinary medicine can only be compared to zoology

You can keep doing business with abokis Stop trying to mention health courses to be relevant

We don't care about what happens in the animals clinic

ok

Zeeknow3245:

Why do I use Medical Doctors to butress my point? Tell that to Wikipedia who says "The Veterinary Doctor,Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, Veterinary Medical Doctor, Vet physician or Vet surgeon is the equivalent of a Human". I am not Wikipedia and this article had been written over a Decade.
You can consult your dictionary if you care. Tell your dictionary to stop calling them Medical Doctors oo.

Zeeknow3245:

Laboratory Scientist can't care naw because you're Second fiddle. Does your decision count in the hospital? Please if you have time Check Professor Oyewale Tomori because Vets can't work in Health abi and they're equivalent of Medical Doctors? How do people think?
Somebody is an equivalent of something and he's not part of the field? .
If you don't care about Polio Virus, Meningitis,
Rabies, Anthrax, Yellow fever, Malaria,HIV,Ebola,Coronavirus, Vaccines,Canine force in the Police,same for Equine, Tuberculosis. The WHO,OIE,Non-Profit Organizations, NAFDAC, Prisons Unit,NDLEA, Nigeria Army, Air Force and our government cares.

Zeeknow3245:

I won't argue with you that much. You ask for proof I gave you. So only Ghana that's offering it as a degree. If you like make it 10 years you would still play that second fiddle
*I gave you all the courses offered as Doctoral degree
*You asked if it is sorted here and Abroad and I told you their Salaries. That we earn far more than you guys naw. I provided the link
*You asked if we provided Vaccines and I gave it to you, provided our Veterinary Research Institutes and products.
*You asked for how top are we in job position and if we receive CONMESS. I gave it to you and even told you guys earn CONHESS and CONPASS.
*You asked for saturation, I told you that less than 10 schools offer Veterinary Medicine and over 90 offer Laboratory Science. In Nigeria only few schools offer Veterinary Medicine and they're only 13 Federal schools only. MLS over 70 both private, public and state schools. Which is supposed to be saturated.
*You asked if there's Veterinary Post graduate College I showed you.
*I showed a Teaching Hospital
What more do you want. I am not the Reason you're studying MLS abi you're a MLS graduate. My phone dictionary doesn't even have MLS the only MLS is Major League Soccer in the US.
So just calm down,do your MBBS and become a Doctor and then proceed to be a Pathologist so you can head lab instead if being a Lab manager.
Veterinary Medicine will always be Important in this Life. If it wasn't useful, many countries even the poorest countries would not have a Research Institute for it.
I am not a Jambite. Stop the hate and heal

Zeeknow3245:

Now let me show this. You will definitely be pained but just take a look at this. It was last updated last month https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-shortage-occupations
From the picture below, my humble boss you are a "Lab Technician". Anybody can be a Lab Technician with a degree in sciences. SLT are lab technicians same goes for biochemists who work in the Lab but you can't be a Veterinarian. You see the title "Veterinarian" it is only unique to us. You said we're not sort after right? You guessed wrong. We earn 12000 pounds your annual income. So you can go to the UK and fight them. Who would even believe Choreographers are paid higher than you guys?
Animal Health isn't Human health remember that

FBB100:
Make una leave the op alone
He is a medicine and surgery reject
He has been writing jamb for a long time to no avail
He decided to switch to veterinary medicine to see if he can be called a doctor not knowing there's a difference between medical doctors and doctors(the disgruntled)

You people should leave him alone
I have come across such
Later they will be preaching about one health

I will be observing the thread now

No more arguments since he has chooses to be ignorant

Zeeknow3245:

Google didn't tell me, Wikipedia said so.
*Google doesn't pay Veterinarians CONMESS, Nigeria Government does
*One Health is an Initiative also in place in Nigeria
*Google doesn't place Veterinarians 2 places above Lab Scientist in public Service Nigeria Government does.
*Google never created the Specialities in Veterinary Medicine, the Organization did.
*Google didn't tell Laboratory Scientist to hide under microscope, your union did.
*Google didn't tell the FRCPath in the UK to follow the procedure
*3years of biomedical science or life science +5 years of workable training to become Clinical Scientist which is a total of 8 years. The Pathologist did.
*Google didn't tell the FRCPath to offer
*Hematology HSST
*Genetics HSST
*HISTOCOMPATIBILITY AND Immunogenetics HSST
*Transfusion science HSST
*Analytic Toxicology HSST
*Clinical Immunology HSST
*Microbiology HSST for biomedical sciences
Instead of
*Chemical Pathology
*Anatomical Pathology
*Forensic Pathology
*Histopathology
*Medical Microbiology
*Haematology which are reserved for MBBS . The Pathologist did
*Google didn't tell the UK to have a Fellow Royal College of Veterinary Pathologist (FRCVPath). The UK government did.
*Google didn't tell the Biomedical Scientist not to have a Royal College of Biomedical Scientist. The UK did because they're second fiddle.
*Google didn't tell the FRCVPath to have the following Pathology specialities
*Veterinary Haematology
*Veterinary Histopathology
*Veterinary Forensic Pathology
*Veterinary Pharmacology and Therapeutics
*Veterinary Laboratory Animal Medicine
*Veterinary Chemical Pathology
*Veterinary Microbiology
The UK Government saw it fit to do it
*Google didn't tell Biomedical Laboratory Scientist not to be Doctors. The UK Government didn't see their degree as such.
*Google didn't say WHO shouldn't employ Veterinarians. WHO saw it as a necessity to employ them so as to monitor Zoonoses
*Google never told any country to employ Veterinarians in quarantine Units. The Government did so as to prevent Infection of their food Animals and to maximise profit.
*Google didn't also tell anybody to get pets. People did and do pay heavily for their pet health.
Finally Google didn't tell you to be Ignorant, you definitely are

femianski:

No matter how you try to package it. Vet Medicine is not a medical course.

femianski:

No matter how you try to package it. Vet Medicine is not a medical course.

Zeeknow3245:

. Ignorance is a disease.
Veterinary Medicine is a branch of Medicine and it is not a Medical course?Listen to yourself. You said that you have a post graduate College in the UK right?
Show me the Royal College of Biomedical Scientist? I can show Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons.
The pain will remain in your heart that you will never be independent and you will continue to report to a higher authority for life except you leave the field. It is also a pain in your heart that for Life, a Patient will never say "Thank you for your help". It will remain a pain in your heart that you don't a Post graduate College in Any country. It will remain a Pain in your heart that Veterinarians employ laboratory Scientist and you do test for them. It will forever remain a pain in your heart that Pathologist designed your profession. I don't want to hurt you further because there's nothing you can put forward that makes MLS better than Veterinary Medicine.
There's also nothing you will do that when you type "Renowned Medical Laboratory Scientist", the first thing that pops up is "Clinical Laboratory Scientist" no Image of any Renowned person.

femianski:

And it will always pain you that your so called vet medicine will never be recognized in this country.
Who also told you MLS plays second fiddle to medicine. Every health professionals are independent on their own. We all have our own council that regulates the profession. You can't see a medical doctor heading the MLSCN. MLS has its own department in the hospital. Ever since I crossed over to UCH for my clinical training, I never seen a medical doctor entering into the lab and shouting or giving orders at the MLS. Even if a test takes too long and the doctor is in die need of the test result, he has no choice than to wait patiently. I am telling you from personal experience. The doctors don't order for a medical test but request for it.
And who told you I can't be independent. I can build my own medical laboratory where millions of naira will be flourishing in it.
And here you are, a failed jamb medical aspirant, who seek refuge in Vet Medicine trying to tutor an health professional about the health system.
You better face the reality. Vet Medicine is not valued in this country. Don't let all those google shits deceive you. If I should google the prospects of zoology and botany google will give me hundreds of prospects.

Zeeknow3245:

My prayer is for everybody to know his /her Job and do it effectively.
Good morning

ThatPetiteChic:


As an allied health worker who has worked in teaching hospitals, doctors are the problem we have. If only we can all stay in our place without interfering into people's jobs. Few years back, in one teaching hospital in the east, pathologists sidelined the scientists including the HOD by doing their jobs. It was a big problem.

In UBTH Ophthalmologist are doing the work of optometrist. I mean no single optometrist in UBTH, not even an intern (I dont know if they've stopped that practice).

It's so bad that if you go to their private clinics, most specialist(doctors) hardly employ health workers in their field because they believe they can do both jobs.

Some fields of allied health are not properly recognised in teaching hospitals. They restrict your scope of study. E.g Optometry includes diagnosis and therapeutics just like in the US(you can check that online) but in teaching hospitals, they restrict them from doing all of that.

What am I saying? Doctors started this rivalry because they needed the extra income. Now, other health workers have joined the race because of money. The medical doctors have a strong association, they can strike at any time but when last did Johesu go on strike? Imagine paying doctors COVID 19 allowance and not paying other health workers when everyone is at risk of contacting the virus. I'm not saying we should all collect the same amount of money but when they increase doctors salary, they should do the same to others. You just entered the medical profession so you shouldn't judge from what you're told.

Zeeknow3245:

Mind you mister not any Doctor dictates what goes on the Lab, the kind of doctor who does it is a Pathologist. In the UK why do you guys go for HSST to become Clinical Scientist. I don't know what I need to tell you again to prove to you that Veterinary Medicine is different from Zoology. Wait you're pained to see the truth.
Veterinary Medicine in Nigeria doesn't have prospects and in Public service we're two levels ahead of you. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospect,tell them to stop funding NVRI. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospect,tell government to stop paying Veterinary Lecturers highest ooo. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospects write a petition to stop them from Funding Veterinary Teaching Hospitals. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospects tell them in the Air Force to stop commissioning them as Flying Officers. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have Prospect,tell Zoetis to stop employing Veterinarians. Also tell NCDC not to have Zoonotic diseases centres and to stop working the Veterinary epidemiologists oo. Also write a Petition to stop the Police unit from having the Veterinary Unit which consists of the K9 unit and the Equine Unit. Also tell the Immigrations to stop Employing Veterinarians to authenticate animal products same with the Customs.
Do you know CliniX Diagnostics? I went there to do a test and the Signature there is a Consultant Pathologist not a Lab Scientist. I will.give you proof if you want I didn't even speak to Laboratory Scientist because it doesn't make any decisions for me.
Get a grip man and stop whining

ThatPetiteChic:


As an allied health worker who has worked in teaching hospitals, doctors are the problem we have. If only we can all stay in our place without interfering into people's jobs. Few years back, in one teaching hospital in the east, pathologists sidelined the scientists including the HOD by doing their jobs. It was a big problem.

In UBTH Ophthalmologist are doing the work of optometrist. I mean no single optometrist in UBTH, not even an intern (I dont know if they've stopped that practice).

It's so bad that if you go to their private clinics, most specialist(doctors) hardly employ health workers in their field because they believe they can do both jobs.

Some fields of allied health are not properly recognised in teaching hospitals. They restrict your scope of study. E.g Optometry includes diagnosis and therapeutics just like in the US(you can check that online) but in teaching hospitals, they restrict them from doing all of that.

What am I saying? Doctors started this rivalry because they needed the extra income. Now, other health workers have joined the race because of money. The medical doctors have a strong association, they can strike at any time but when last did Johesu go on strike? Imagine paying doctors COVID 19 allowance and not paying other health workers when everyone is at risk of contacting the virus. I'm not saying we should all collect the same amount of money but when they increase doctors salary, they should do the same to others. You just entered the medical profession so you shouldn't judge from what you're told.

femianski:

How many people is the government employing those organizations. Do you know how many connections those people there went through before they could secure that job. I am not saying that Vet doctors aren't employed at all by the government. As a vet doctor in Nigeria, it's very hard to secure a job. WE DON'T VALUE ANIMALS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Zeeknow3245:

Mind you mister not any Doctor dictates what goes on the Lab, the kind of doctor who does it is a Pathologist. In the UK why do you guys go for HSST to become Clinical Scientist. I don't know what I need to tell you again to prove to you that Veterinary Medicine is different from Zoology. Wait you're pained to see the truth.
Veterinary Medicine in Nigeria doesn't have prospects and in Public service we're two levels ahead of you. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospect,tell them to stop funding NVRI. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospect,tell government to stop paying Veterinary Lecturers highest ooo. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospects write a petition to stop them from Funding Veterinary Teaching Hospitals. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have prospects tell them in the Air Force to stop commissioning them as Flying Officers. If Veterinary Medicine doesn't have Prospect,tell Zoetis to stop employing Veterinarians. Also tell NCDC not to have Zoonotic diseases centres and to stop working the Veterinary epidemiologists oo. Also write a Petition to stop the Police unit from having the Veterinary Unit which consists of the K9 unit and the Equine Unit. Also tell the Immigrations to stop Employing Veterinarians to authenticate animal products same with the Customs.
Do you know CliniX Diagnostics? I went there to do a test and the Signature there is a Consultant Pathologist not a Lab Scientist. I will.give you proof if you want I didn't even speak to Laboratory Scientist because it doesn't make any decisions for me.
Get a grip man and stop whining

seunH:
Well said ma, you didn't even mention some of us who have basic medical science degrees (Anatomy/Physiology/Pharmacology) whom are now about to be thrown out of medical school. Imagine as an Anatomist, Drs are telling us that even with Msc and PhD we still need to have MBBS in order to enable us lecture in our own department in medical school. Forgetting that eminent Anatomist like Prof Keith Moore didn't even have MBBS background. It's so sad!!!

Zeeknow3245:

seunH:
Then to the Med Lab peeps, Please I'll like to ask? what is the role of a MBBS pathologist in a medical lab, cos I'm yet to be convinced of their relevance?

femianski:

It's their job to interpret the lab results to the patient. And relate the result with the clinical diagnosis of the patient.

ThatPetiteChic:


You're very right. My husband studied anatomy and he complained bitterly. Infact, he left the field for programming. My grand aunt is a retired Vet doctor and just last week she was gisting me that for 15years, FG didn't employ vet doctors until there was bird flu and they only employed 12/15(can't remember) nationwide. She was complaining that the government is not even trying for them in terms of employment and they are always short staffed.

Modified: I forgot to add that even medical biochemist and microbiologist have all been side lined by medical doctors.
@Zeeknow3245, there's problem in the health sector and it's really sad that there's nothing anyone can do about it. Also, pls, dont blame any allied health professional because you need to walk in their shoes to understand their plight. This country sef no dey try, too much lawlessness. Even Police is doing Lastma work.

Make I go sleep. Tomorrow is sunday

Zeeknow3245:

So what are you now fighting for? It's their job to cross-check tests results and make Diagnosis then relate it to the Physicians. So what's the Medical Laboratory Scientist in fighting for autonomy now?

femianski:

MLS is an independent profession on its own. Is it the medical doctors that are regulating how our school programme is being run or also regulating the council? You're just talking as if MLS is a slave to medicine. You have forgotten that MLS also have some professions under it. (MLT and MLA).
And what's the big deal in an independent profession having a department of its own in the hospital? Is it only the medical doctors that work in the hospital?
And that fight for a separate department in the hospital has been finished about four years ago. The court declared that hospitals should create a MLS department. I watched it myself on NTA news. And if you want to see the you tube link, I don't mind sharing it with you.
If you like go and commit sucide.

FBB100:
When ever I come across you I laugh
Do you know why?no
But let me fix you
You are just a jambite
Who is confused about his life
Before you even think of throwing shade at professionals, I will advise you to pass your jamb first
Because without being in the system and raising such matters seems to me childish and ignorant
I don't know if I should lecture you or let me leave but I got to correct some of your myopic notion and I will drill you from the point of a medical laboratory scientist
Medicine is the most sorted science course in Nigeria
Followed by nuts and the list goes down
Do I even need to tell you Veterinary medicine is not even a professional course in Nigeria
I saw you talking about post graduate diploma for Veterinary medicine
Please can you tell me when was your post graduate college passed into bill
Can you tell me what they teach veterinary doctors in those college
What is their area of specialization
As far veterinary medicine is concerned
It's the least sorted health course
Shouldn't tell you that you guys are irrelevant
Oh! I forgot
You are just a jambite
I shouldn't be discussing with you because you are confused
Since you couldn't get medicine you are trying to console your short coming with veterinary medicine
You should know and wise enough even at the level of your ignorance that veterinary medicine is the health course with the easiest admission as people don't even go for it
All those courses you all mentioned above are better and great when compared to veterinary medicine as a career

You said alot of things out of ignorance
But I got to tell you this
Medicine wasn't this great when it started
Medicine as a course got it's contribution from low courses like biochemistry and the rest
And the most lucrative health course in Nigeria is pharmacy and not medical
You saying every degree is upgrading to six years to be relevant
Shows your level of illiteracy
You saying MLS is being controlled by the pathologist in the US or UK is sheer lie and stupidity
The Royal college of pathology which I am sure you are speaking of is a birth between scientist and doctors to throw competent laboratory consultant
Who is a pathologist?
I won't answer that as I am sure Google will cure your dumbness
About MLSD
MLSD was started in the US and is already in Ghana
Why not Nigeria?
Do you know in developed countries we have consultant and specialist nurse who can perform surgery

I don't want to screw you
I will advise you to get admission into the university first even though it's botany
Then you can be qualified to talk to professionals

I have a lot to tell you
But I am not a keyboard warrior
I am kindly waiting for your tag

But please don't mention veterinary medicine even in same line with biochemistry not to talk of health sciences

You can talk after gaining admission and in same line with botany
Your ignorance sucks big time bro
You are just a product of ignorance
Can't you see how normal people avoided talking in your thread
It simply shows your write-up was wack and baseless

I can't allow any of my person to study that God forsaken course called veterinary medicine