FBB100:


There are consultant nurses in the UK

Stop living in self denial

Check the screenshot below
It's a job adverts for a consultant nurse with specialty in breast surgery

That's directly from NHS UK

So I don't know the rubbish you are saying here man

You seem worst than the op

I'm very pro joseh or whatever the joint association of allied health workers is called. But you are very slow.

BarristerAlarig:




You most be extremely slow. How does employing a consultant nurse in a Breast surgery unit equals the consultant nurse doing the actual Breast surgery?

I have already proved to you consultant nurses who do perform surgery

You can keep your low mentality to yourself and live in self denial

I prove my point
Now you prove me wrong

BarristerAlarig:



I'm very pro joseh or whatever the joint association of allied health workers is called. But you are very slow.

Don't quote me again if you don't have any reasonable to say

I proved my point
It's left for you to counter it with verifiable facts
Until then don't quote me

I have warned you because it seems you are worst than the op in thinking and comprehension

FBB100:


I have already proved to you consultant nurses who do perform surgery

You can keep your low mentality to yourself and live in self denial

I prove my point
Now you prove me wrong

You haven't proven anything. You only brought a screenshot with further proves my point.

The UK intended to start the program, after public uproar, most of the said training institution boycotted the idea.


Why can't you name one person who's a consultant nurse and does surgery and the program he/she graduated from?? You are really daft my guy.

FBB100:


Directly from NHS UK

This is another job adverts for a consultant nurse with specialty in general surgery

Stop being foolish
Nigeria won't be an exception
Doctors have done too much damage to be corrected

Soon we will start having consultant nurses and scientists

Keep living in self denial

I know you are not smart, but working in a general surgery unit doesn't make you a surgeon.

Zeeknow3245:

Guy you lie a lot and I know because you have a hard time comprehending.
To first address your Ignorance about Pathology. They're currently one of the lowest Specialities with Infectious disease with consultants.They created Biomedical Science and Clinical Science for further trainings to meet up with demands and serve as Liaison between Science and Medicine.
HSST training is 5years for crying out loud and for your information this is the category D.Clin(Consultant in Clinical Science) work not MLS.D
*Clinical Immunology
*Transfusion Science
*Pharmacology
*Clinical Biochemistry
*Hematology (HSST is attached at the end)
A D.Clin can never be a
*Histopathologist
*Forensic Pathologist
*Surgical Pathologist
*Haematologist
*Immunologist
According to Royal College of Pathologist, only Biomedical Scientist are the non-medical professionals trained to have (FRCPath)

I already buttress my point with verifiable links

Until you go back, read and consider don't ever quote me

Poor jambite

The HSST and STP UK link and mode of application is above for everyone to go through

Stop spreading your ignorance

BarristerAlarig:



I know you are not smart, but working in a general surgery unit doesn't make you a surgeon.

If you can't read this and comprehend stop quoting me

That screenshot is from NHS UK

Stop being foolish

FBB100:


If you can't read this and comprehend stop quoting me

That screenshot is from NHS UK

Stop being foolish

You are daft.



Dear readers, no country currently allow non physicians perform surgery.


Regards.

FBB100:


I have already proved to you consultant nurses who do perform surgery

You can keep your low mentality to yourself and live in self denial

I prove my point
Now you prove me wrong

Did you see the reason they designed the Idea? Because Surgeons are not enough abi? In the US,Physician Assistants of speciality Surgery are allowed to perform Surgery under the supervision of a Surgeon. Are you telling me that because PA perform surgery under supervision they're now Surgeons. They do Laparoscopy, excision of polyps,close sutures and open walls of the body. Does this make them Surgeons?
Nurses performing Surgery hasn't been signed to Law. It is called Proposal. You saw in the posts "Nurses to Perform Surgery" not "Nurses do Perform Surgery independently". Once it is signed into Law they would be a Resident Surgeon who would monitor the surgery cases as to decide which case is fit for a Nurse Surgeon to perform.
Remember we're talking Pathology and Laboratory Science don't digress.

BarristerAlarig:




You haven't proven anything. You only brought a screenshot with further proves my point.

The UK intended to start the program, after public uproar, most of the said training institution boycotted the idea.


Why can't you name one person who's a consultant nurse and does surgery and the program he/she graduated from?? You are really daft my guy.

The program is already in UK
https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/careers-in-surgery/surgical-care-team-hub/surgical-care-team-roles/surgical-care-practitioner/

That's officially from the Royal College of surgery UK

You can go through it and see the mode of application

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_nursing
From Wikipedia

Stop quoting me

Zeeknow3245:

Did you see the reason they designed the Idea? Because Surgeons are not enough abi? In the US,Physician Assistants of speciality Surgery are allowed to perform Surgery under the supervision of a Surgeon. Are you telling me that because PA perform surgery under supervision they're now Surgeons. They do Laparoscopy, excision of polyps,close sutures and open walls of the body. Does this make them Surgeons?
Nurses performing Surgery hasn't been signed to Law. It is called Proposal. You saw in the posts "Nurses to Perform Surgery" not "Nurses do Perform Surgery independently". Once it is signed into Law they would be a Resident Surgeon who would monitor the surgery cases as to decide which case is fit for a Nurse Surgeon to perform.
Remember we're talking Pathology and Laboratory Science don't digress.

I have shown you that nurses perform surgery

No need to argue

I didn't disgress rather you are the one disgressing by coming into a conversation that's none of your business

A nurse with specialty in Surgery can perform surgery if a physician is not around

Just accept that nurses can perform surgery

FBB100:


The program is already in UK
https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/careers-in-surgery/surgical-care-team-hub/surgical-care-team-roles/surgical-care-practitioner/

That's officially from the Royal College of surgery UK

You can go through it and see the mode of application

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_nursing
From Wikipedia

Stop quoting me

Who said the program was not??


Which institution currently runs it? How many Surgical consultant nurses have graduated from the program? How many are currently practicing in a surgical center doing surgery??


The initial argument was that there are current practising consultant nurses performing surgery in the UK which is currently completely false.

Zeeknow3245:

Did you see the reason they designed the Idea? Because Surgeons are not enough abi? In the US,Physician Assistants of speciality Surgery are allowed to perform Surgery under the supervision of a Surgeon. Are you telling me that because PA perform surgery under supervision they're now Surgeons. They do Laparoscopy, excision of polyps,close sutures and open walls of the body. Does this make them Surgeons?
Nurses performing Surgery hasn't been signed to Law. It is called Proposal. You saw in the posts "Nurses to Perform Surgery" not "Nurses do Perform Surgery independently". Once it is signed into Law they would be a Resident Surgeon who would monitor the surgery cases as to decide which case is fit for a Nurse Surgeon to perform.
Remember we're talking Pathology and Laboratory Science don't digress.

This is wrong. Surgical PAs can Assist during surgery. They do stuff like the initial opening and closing, all what a nurse (RN first assist) can do. No surgeon will risk supervising a PA doing surgery, the malpractice allow, should anything happen is enough to discourage the most stupid surgeon.

FBB100:


I already buttress my point with verifiable links

Until you go back, read and consider don't ever quote me

Poor jambite

The HSST and STP UK link and mode of application is above for everyone to go through

Stop spreading your ignorance

What is it that you don't understand in Role and Specialities as I have rightly explained. Are you really this pained?
Which Buttress? You Buttress your point and you refuse to acknowledge that there's nothing like MLSD in the UK but D.ClinSci. You buttressed your point and refused to acknowledge that RCPath called them non-medical. You Buttress your point and you refused to acknowledge that they're majorly employed in Research Institutes, Universities and Pharma instead of Hospitals?

BarristerAlarig:




Who said the program was not??


Which institution currently runs it? How many Surgical consultant nurses have graduated from the program? How many are currently practicing in a surgical center doing surgery??


The initial argument was that there are current practising consultant nurses performing surgery in the UK which is currently completely false.

Whatever keeps you at peace but don't you think you are funny if their are not consultant nurses but they keep advertising jobs for them with specialty in Surgery

BarristerAlarig:




This is wrong. Surgical PAs can Assist during surgery. They do stuff like the initial opening and closing, all what a nurse (RN first assist) can do.

You're definitely wrong Sir. RN's are not to be compared to PA

Zeeknow3245:

What is it that you don't understand in Role and Specialities as I have rightly explained. Are you really this pained?
Which Buttress? You Buttress your point and you refuse to acknowledge that there's nothing like MLSD in the UK but D.ClinSci. You buttressed your point and refused to acknowledge that RCPath called them non-medical. You Buttress your point and you refused to acknowledge that they're majorly employed in Research Institutes, Universities and Pharma instead of Hospitals?

You reek of ignorance

I already proved there's MLSD(DCLS)in US and Ghana and not UK

RCPath call them non medical?
I think you are referring to veterinary medicine
Stop spitting shit

They are majorly employed in research institute?
I think you are talking about veterinary medicine not MLS

Stop contradicting yourself poor disgruntled jambite

FBB100:


Whatever keeps you at peace but don't you think you are funny if their are not consultant nurses but they keep advertising jobs for them with specialty in Surgery

Even in the US, there are surgical PAs and NPs. It doesn't make them surgeons.


Now in the US, there's RN first assist, who works in the surgical room doing minor procedures and helping the surgeon. She/he has more legal right than An NP or surgical PA. It doesn't make them surgeons.

Zeeknow3245:

You're definitely wrong Sir. RN's are not to be compared to PA

I never said they were. RN first assist are well trained to assist in surgery. They aren't prescribers. Please do more research.

BarristerAlarig:



Even in the US, there are surgical PAs and NPs. It doesn't make them surgeons.


Now in the US, there's RN first assist, who works in the surgical room doing minor procedures and helping the surgeon. She/he has more legal right than An NP or surgical PA. It doesn't make them surgeons.

You seem to know more about the US which I know less of

As for UK
Consultant nurses who have undergone training in the Royal College of surgery can legally perform a surgery at the absence of a physician

Bye

FBB100:


You seem to know more about the US which I know less of

As for UK
Consultant nurses who have undergone training in the Royal College of surgery can legally perform a surgery at the absence of a physician

Bye

Give us a name of a current practising consultant nurse doing surgery.


Consultant nurses work in several units, including surgical units,it doesn't make them surgeons.

BarristerAlarig:



You are daft.


Dear readers, no country currently allow non physicians perform surgery.

Regards.

If that will keep you at rest
No p

BarristerAlarig:



Give us a name of a current practising consultant nurse doing surgery.


Consultant nurses work in several units, including surgical units,it doesn't make them surgeons.

If you can tell me consultant nurses who are working over there
I will boldly tell you the ones doing surgery

Balderdash

FBB100:


If you can tell me consultant nurses who are working over there
I will boldly tell you the ones doing surgery

Balderdash

It will be ages before nurses are licensed to perform surgery, and alot longer to do so independently


For the record, your professional (MLS) is just a technician with a bachelor's degree in the US. No one cares about a CLS degree.

BaristerAlarig you sound knowledgeable in the midst of your ignorance.

FBB100 if ever in your life call me a Jambite ehn you no go like me for this NLAND. Was it not you that scored 221 and MBBS rejected you and you're running around becoming a Wannabe Doc? Guy no just press my button of craze for here. You wanted MBBS and you got a mark not even up to MLS in any Federal School.
I chose Veterinary Medicine and I switched from Medicine FYI and Lastly the post that will follow will end your sheer Ignorance

BarristerAlarig:




It will be ages before nurses are licensed to perform surgery, and alot longer to do so independently


For the record, your professional (MLS) is just a technician with a bachelor's degree in the US. No one cares about a CLS degree.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/research-and-innovation/specialist-nurses-trained-to-take-over-surgical-service-from-doctors-11-01-2019/

Above is an article about nurse who perform surgery independently in uk

About being a technician
I already acknowledged your ignorance

Zeeknow3245:
BaristerAlarig you sound knowledgeable in the midst of your ignorance.

All what is described here is what a RNFA does. PAs like some NPs can perform procedures only approved by a surgeon.


A surgical NP can still carryout the listed procedures.


What RNFA, surgical PAs and NP do is to assist, not the actual surgery.

These are the Pathology area a Doctor of Clinical Science can confidently call themselves consultants.

BarristerAlarig:



All what is described here is what a RNFA do. PAs like some NPs can perform procedures only approved by a surgeon.


A surgical NP can still carryout the list procedures.

You said "NP" an Advanced Practicioner not just your RN but with an Advanced Practice training.

Zeeknow3245:

You said "NP" an Advanced Practicioner not just your RN but with an Advanced Practice training.

Oga, go and do your research. Do you know what is takes to be an RNFA??


Typical,you would need a BSN, 2years scrubbing experience and pass the CNOR exams, RNAF are specialist nurses like NPs, CRNAs, CNW and CNS. Nursing the US is not limited to RNs and NPs and RNFA aren't just RN

FBB100
These are the Specialities that Doctor of Clinical Science can confidently call themselves Consultants without any hitch