Mama Ngina Street, Cardinal Otunga street and Tubman street

Biashara street and Market street

Yes beside the future - these streets will be made car-free -- as more cities will embrace walking and cycling!

AfroCircus:

Those are the feeder roads, no different n size to New York's 4th Avenue feeders if you've been there. European cities with a much higher density than Africa have even narrower streets. But people rush there on holiday because of good PR and they're very well maintained

AfroCircus:


I'll even go further and post some stats on Kenya vs Nigeria, just to reaffirm the authenticity of this thread. Last I posted on here was about 3 yrs ago.

[center]Economic comparisons[/center]
GDP per capita Nominal (IMF 2021 est);
NGR- 2,432
KE- 2,129
Ngr has a very narrow lead

GDP per capita Nominal (IMF 2021 est)
NGR- 5,280
KE- 5,274
[I]They're the same size[/i]

Median wealth (Credit Suisse 2019)
NGR- 1,249
KE- 3,553
[I]Ke has a massive lead, more than double[/i]

Human Development Index (UNDP 2019)
NGR- 0.539 (low development)
KE- 0.601 (medium development)
[I]Ke has a healthy lead[/i]

Economic Complexity Index (measures how advanced an economy is in terms of manufacturing & exports products)
NGR-> -1.90
KE-> -0.34
[I]Ke has a significantly more complex economic make up[/i]

Global competitive index (the World economy forum ranks countries based on the latest theoretical and empirical research)
NGR- 48.3
KE- 54.1
[I]Ke is slightly more competitive globally[/i]

Long-term unemployment rates (2020 data by respective Govts crosschecked by WB and IMF that discounts short term unemployment)
NGR- 33.3
KE- 2.6
Ke has far better employment stats. But methodology varies by government

Kenya's qualitative economic Indicators are either significantly better than Nigeria's at best, or at more or less similar at their worst

[Center][size=17pt]Educational comparisons[/size][/center]

Primary school attainment rate
NGR- 74%
KE- 100%
[I]Kenya is significantly higher[/i]

Highschool attainment rate
NGR- 42%
KE- 57%
[I]Kenya is slightly higher[/i]

Tertiary education attainment rate
NGR- 10%
KE- 11%
Ke is slightly higher

Adult literacy rate
NGR- 59.6%
KE- 78%
Ke is significantly higher

Kenya's education Indicators are either significantly better than Nigeria's at best, or at more or less similar at their worst

[Center]Health sector comparisons[/center]

hospital beds per 1000ppl (UNDP data]
NGR- 0.9
KE- 1.4
Ke has a significantly better hospital infra per person

Nurses & midwives per 1000ppl (UNDP data]
NGR- 1.2
KE- 1.2
[I]same[/i]

Physicians per 1000ppl (UNDP data]
NGR-0.4
KE-0.2
[I]Ngr has a significantly better number of physicians per capita at double[/i]

Specialist Surgical staff per 100kppl (UNDP data]
NGR- 1
KE- 2
[I]Ke has a significantly better number of specialist surgical staff per capita at double[/i]

child mortality per 1000 live births (UNDP data]
NGR- 117
KE- 43
[I]Ke has much better child care[/i]

Prevalence of HIV
NGR- 1.3%
KE- 4.5%
[I]Ngr has much lower HIV infection rates[/i]

Births attended by skilled worker % (UNDP data)
NGR- 43%
KE- 62%
[I]Ke has significantly better natal healthcare[/i]

Kenya has in average better health care with more leads, but Nigeria leads in several indexes.

[Center]conclusions[/center]
Kenya is ahead of Nigeria in all key development aspects. But per indexes, Nigeria does have some areas where it is better, though Kenya is better in far much more indexes.

I rmbr you from the early days. Post more often. You have much needed sense!

AfroCircus:
Biashara street and Market street

You have silenced the noise makers , please continue posting more streets,

AfroCircus:
Feeders of Broad street;

Davies street and Balogun street

Lagos is naturally dirty, I don't think if there is any city in the world that compete with it in that sector.

kikuyu1:


I rmbr you from the early days. Post more often. You have much needed sense!

Been quite busy so wasn't really available to post. I'll try make it a habit

Nairobi Inland Container depot new link road to Southern and eastern bypass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1j8oCDmyvE&t=644s

ArabicBerber:


What is with African countries and these narrow streets in city centers? This isn't too future proof considering Africa's future population boom.

Africa is not looking to make it city centers, car zones.

Europe is busy getting rid of cars from it city centers to make it more livable

Just30:
Africa is not looking to make it city centers, car zones.

Europe is busy getting rid of cars from it city centers to make it more livable

Yap, that's the general trend the world over. More however needs to be put up in terms of rail and bike lanes

AfroCircus:

Yap, that's the general trend the world over. More however needs to be put up in terms of rail and bike lanes

You don't need a bike lane before you bike, especially when cars have been taken off city center roads

For anyone who's been to Lagos Island which, appears to be a premier business district in the city, its street view can't match Nairobi's CBD. Nairobi's downtown area 'behind archives' as described by someone even seems like a strong match for this uptown lagos business district. Below are GSV pics of this area

Tom Mboya Street, the main street of downtown that snakes behind archives

Ronald Ngala street, a feeder to Tom Mboya above

Then going to even much smaller and insignificant streets;

Mfangano street, a feeder to Ronald Ngala, which feeds Tom Mboya. It's located in the interior of downtown, or as called out before, area "behind archives".

And Below it is Sheikh Karume road, deep in that area "behind Archives" and too small & insignificant to be labeled a street. It's a feeder to Mfangano, which feeds Ronald Ngala, which in turn feeds Tom Mboya

Then someone claimed South B and South C are like slums in Nigeria. Their street level pics are a match for lagos Island infrastructure, albeit with much smaller buildings and businesses.


South B shopping Center, 6km from the CBD

South C is even more sleek, 8.5km from the CBD

More of South C, tell me if it passes for a slum in Lagos

Just30:
You don't need a bike lane before you bike, especially when cars have been taken off city center roads

Cars can't be completely taken off the streets, that would make things like shopping quite cumbersome.

Hence why we need bike lanes.

AfroCircus:

Cars can't be completely taken off the streets, that would make things like shopping quite cumbersome.

Hence why we need bike lanes.

yes they can

France is picking certain part of it cities to remove them and likewise Barcelona slowly reclaiming it roads and give the space back to the neighborhood.

You don't need bike lanes when there are no cars on the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2yd4QgL5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZORzsubQA_M

All nice. But what is Ghana doing about it. Nairobi has Non Motirized Policy that is already being implemented
http://www.kara.or.ke/Nairobi%20NMT%20Policy%20Popular%20Version.pdf
Nairobi Metropolitan Services (NMS) has set aside Sh1.47 billion to expand non-motorized transport (NMT) within the capital aimed at enhancing walking spaces.The move is also geared towards encouraging Nairobians to start using bicycles,

According to Nairobi County Fiscal Strategy Paper for the financial year ending June 30, 2021, the NMT will cover 116 km and has been divided into three packages.

The first package will cover 36km spread in Eastlands with the first stretching from Jogoo Road to the CBD and divided into four corridors.

The Jogoo Road corridor covers 10km from Outer Ring-Jogoo-Landhies-Haile Selassie, with bicycle parking at the Kenya Railways station at Sh155 million.

The next one will also cover 10km at Sh155 million stretching from Juja Road to the CBD through Outer Ring-Ring Road Ngara-Racecourse and terminating at Ladhies roundabout.

The other one will be 6km at Sh93 million running from Mumias South Road through Rabai Road, across Kenya Railways lines to Tanga Road terminating at Lunga Lunga Road.

This will be joined by another one at Sh93 million covering 6km stretching from First Avenue Eastleigh (now Yusuf Haji Avenue) from Juja across Jogoo Road to Likoni up to Enterprise Road.

The last one at Sh62 million will run from Lunga Lunga Road to Likoni then connect to Outer Ring covering 4km.

The second package will cover 55km running from the CBD to Westlands then to Ngong Road with the first corridor covering 7km between Kibera and Industrial area running through Mbagathi-Langata-Lusaka Road and then Jogoo Road round-about at Sh108.5 million.

NMT will also be set up along Enterprise from Lusaka to Likoni road intersection covering 3km at Sh46.6 million.


The next one will be Kibera-Kilimani-Westlands corridor covering 15km starting from Kibera drive to Kenya Railway crossing–James Kangethe-NMT only route- Ring Road Kilimani-Kitale lane –Githunguri at Sh232.5 million.

Another 15 km of NMT will run from Kawangware to Kilimani then to the CBD. This will cover Gitanga-Ole Dume- Argwings Kodhek- Valley Roads terminating at Kenyatta Avenue at a cost of Sh232.5 million.

The last one will be Kawangware–Westlands/Waiyaki Way corridor also covering 15km at a cost of Sh232.5 million. It will run from Chalbi drive to Isaac Gathanju—Mugumo—Olenguruone–Ring Road Kileleshwa terminating at Ring Road Westlands.

The last package in the CBD will be fixed along Harry Thuku–Muindi Mbingu–Mama Ngina–Wabera–Taifa–Harambee–Tumbo–City Square Post Office—Workshop and then Industrial Area.

There will also be another corridor running from Upper Hill (community) through Uhuru Park–City Hall Way–Luthuli/Ronald Ngala–River Road–Landhies connecting to Jogoo Road.

The last bit will run from Aga Khan Walk–part of Harambee Avenue then Parliament Road and around the Holy family Basilica.

Just30:
yes they can

France is picking certain part of it cities to remove them and likewise Barcelona slowly reclaiming it roads and give the space back to the neighborhood.

You don't need bike lanes when there are no cars on the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2yd4QgL5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZORzsubQA_M

Nairobi's NMT (Non-motorized transport) implementation. Cycle lanes. Good start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0-oi907o4

rvp20182:
All nice. But what is Ghana doing about it. Nairobi has Non Motirized Policy that is already being implemented
http://www.kara.or.ke/Nairobi%20NMT%20Policy%20Popular%20Version.pdf
Nairobi Metropolitan Services (NMS) has set aside Sh1.47 billion to expand non-motorized transport (NMT) within the capital aimed at enhancing walking spaces.The move is also geared towards encouraging Nairobians to start using bicycles,

According to Nairobi County Fiscal Strategy Paper for the financial year ending June 30, 2021, the NMT will cover 116 km and has been divided into three packages.

The first package will cover 36km spread in Eastlands with the first stretching from Jogoo Road to the CBD and divided into four corridors.

The Jogoo Road corridor covers 10km from Outer Ring-Jogoo-Landhies-Haile Selassie, with bicycle parking at the Kenya Railways station at Sh155 million.

The next one will also cover 10km at Sh155 million stretching from Juja Road to the CBD through Outer Ring-Ring Road Ngara-Racecourse and terminating at Ladhies roundabout.

The other one will be 6km at Sh93 million running from Mumias South Road through Rabai Road, across Kenya Railways lines to Tanga Road terminating at Lunga Lunga Road.

This will be joined by another one at Sh93 million covering 6km stretching from First Avenue Eastleigh (now Yusuf Haji Avenue) from Juja across Jogoo Road to Likoni up to Enterprise Road.

The last one at Sh62 million will run from Lunga Lunga Road to Likoni then connect to Outer Ring covering 4km.

The second package will cover 55km running from the CBD to Westlands then to Ngong Road with the first corridor covering 7km between Kibera and Industrial area running through Mbagathi-Langata-Lusaka Road and then Jogoo Road round-about at Sh108.5 million.

NMT will also be set up along Enterprise from Lusaka to Likoni road intersection covering 3km at Sh46.6 million.


The next one will be Kibera-Kilimani-Westlands corridor covering 15km starting from Kibera drive to Kenya Railway crossing–James Kangethe-NMT only route- Ring Road Kilimani-Kitale lane –Githunguri at Sh232.5 million.

Another 15 km of NMT will run from Kawangware to Kilimani then to the CBD. This will cover Gitanga-Ole Dume- Argwings Kodhek- Valley Roads terminating at Kenyatta Avenue at a cost of Sh232.5 million.

The last one will be Kawangware–Westlands/Waiyaki Way corridor also covering 15km at a cost of Sh232.5 million. It will run from Chalbi drive to Isaac Gathanju—Mugumo—Olenguruone–Ring Road Kileleshwa terminating at Ring Road Westlands.

The last package in the CBD will be fixed along Harry Thuku–Muindi Mbingu–Mama Ngina–Wabera–Taifa–Harambee–Tumbo–City Square Post Office—Workshop and then Industrial Area.

There will also be another corridor running from Upper Hill (community) through Uhuru Park–City Hall Way–Luthuli/Ronald Ngala–River Road–Landhies connecting to Jogoo Road.

The last bit will run from Aga Khan Walk–part of Harambee Avenue then Parliament Road and around the Holy family Basilica.

just having a policy in paper does not solve shit.

In Ghana, all traffic has been moved from neighborhoods to major roads.

You will be surprised to walk on public streets in neighborhoods and for 30 minutes, only 5 cars will come and pass you by.

It starts with policy - then goes into a plan - and it's implemented - I guess you got nothing or it part of BEYOND AID strategy .

Nairobi for the last 2yrs has been implementing NMS - building walkways with bicyle lines.

All over Nairobi now - NMT (Non-Motorized Transport) - are laying red carbos line for bicycles - and the grey for pedestrian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0-oi907o4

Now for Ghana - how do you move traffic from neigherbhood to major roads - using JUJU

You have no PLAN. No Policy. No implementation.

Just30:
just having a policy in paper does not solve shit.

In Ghana, all traffic has been moved from neighborhoods to major roads.

You will be surprised to walk on public streets in neighborhoods and for 30 minutes, only 5 cars will come and pass you by.

As Accra uses Juju to move cars from neighberhood - Nairobi NMT is implementing non motorized plan that will cover most of Nairobi by end of the year - red lane for bicyles - grey for pedestirain - mixed red/grey combined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzCZfK9ocg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8UNtHJJvg

rvp20182:
Kenya ease of doing business is behind Mauritius, Rwanda, and Morocco ONLY. If Tanzanian business cannot make it in Kenya - it's really their problem.

Suluhu seem ready to reset Kenya-TZ back to Jakaya Kikwete and Benjamin Mkapa times - not the Nyerere/Magufuli chip on the shoulder.

Ease of doing business when your white, who many African companies come to invest in Kenya and fail but their European counterparts succeed? Yall just greedy and corrupt.

ArabicBerber:


So this is what Nairobi looks like without multiple layers of photo filters?

Yes

Roan77:


Man, rvp2018 posted it as one of the best parts of Nairobi CBD, so I had to download the pictures to counter Shma2020 whenever he posts some old pictures of Lagos old and former CBD.

That is Nairobi cbd, and I will prove it. I am just waiting for the right time to bite like a serpent.

AfroCircus:

I asked you a simple question, you got emotional.

But I'll repeat. Is broad street among the best streets in Lagos?

Hell nah

Just30:
yes they can

France is picking certain part of it cities to remove them and likewise Barcelona slowly reclaiming it roads and give the space back to the neighborhood.

You don't need bike lanes when there are no cars on the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2yd4QgL5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZORzsubQA_M

The bold part earmarks my point, certain parts. So what happens with the rest of the city where cars can go willy-nilly? Then the French policy bans cars from half the city-center on Friday's, so what happens during the rest of the week?

It's only a small portion of the French capital that's permanently car free. In fact, the largest car free zone in Europe is just a small portion around the Brussels' city square, its stock exchange, and Rue Neuve avenue.

Hence why bike lanes are important throughout the cities.

Roan77:


Yeah, that's how Nairobi looks like, without photo editing, it still looks ugly even with the the editing, you can scroll up and see the real Nairobi posted by Vlain, or watch Nairobi [b]raw[/b]videos, you will be shocked how it looks.

It’s the raw part for - can possibly get over that word

rvp20182:
It starts with policy - then goes into a plan - and it's implemented - I guess you got nothing or it part of BEYOND AID strategy .

Nairobi for the last 2yrs has been implementing NMS - building walkways with bicyle lines.

All over Nairobi now - NMT (Non-Motorized Transport) - are laying red carbos line for bicycles - and the grey for pedestrian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0-oi907o4

Now for Ghana - how do you move traffic from neigherbhood to major roads - using JUJU

You have no PLAN. No Policy. No implementation.

We have the Ghana national transportation plan

Which has introduced BRT in Accra and Kumasi, with the Kumasi Light Rail still under going feasibility studies.

Our National transportation plans have made car traffic moved onto major will leaving the middle of communities free of cars just like Barcelona is doing.

The only difference is, Ghana have not turn the roads in those communities into play grounds.

Good your NMS has now seen the future

The ease of doing business captures all that. Just say Tanzanians have no experience setting up business outside their country. Kenya has open door policy. Tanzania honestly cannot hack in Kenya - if South Africans companies cannot - please save your money and run. Kenya has brutal competition - and those that fail or find they cannot come - and get favours they normally get from banana republics - they start bad-mouthing kenya.

Setting up a company in kenya is easy and free for all - you don't need to see a minister or name - but be ready for competition.

There is a reason why our economy is a largest non-mineral economy in SSA - it down to a very strong private sector that is guaranteed to give you the most brutal competition.

Mzal3ndo:

Ease of doing business when your white, who many African companies come to invest in Kenya and fail but their European counterparts succeed? Yall just greedy and corrupt.