Havertz10:
European football growth began 1990, their teams got better, their leagues got better, they milk the best players from leagues all over the world, only players that play in Europe are considered the best in the world, they even steal talented young players from other countries

One geographical zone has won that last 4 world cups that's 20years and they will win the next 5.

They have the most semi final and final appearances by any zone

Brazil had to field immortals to wrestle their wins

European teams are the best of the rest, if they are packed together in a competition to play among themselves, no competition can be compared to it


How can you agree that European champions league is the highest footballing competition in the world and turn around to say that club world cup is bigger because other teams from mediocre leagues participate, world cup is good cause every country on earth stands a chance but the peak of football today is European


The star player in most national teams world wide are the ones that play in European leagues

pamcode:
He probably wouldn't play a high line and since he seems to like 3-4-3, he might just borrow out of Tuchel tactics and play Reece James at C.B against pacy teams.

nihilistjnr:


This England squad finally has the midfield to play 4231 or 433.

Playing 3atb is just foolish especially as that's the weakest area of the squad.

Maguire and Stones or Maguire and Mings at the back is enough to work with, which then further allows Foden to play alongside Kane, Rashford and Sterling.

timbros:


So many laughable submissions here.

I don't know where you got the notion that European football growth started in 1990. Italy and Germany started winning World Cups pre 1990.

@bolded... Please where in my post did I mention Club World Cup? We are discussing NT football here not Club.

Why won't Europe have the most semi final and final appearances when they have the lion share in slots alloted? Is it not shameful that after having the most semil and final appearances, they are just 3 trophies ahead of lowly South America?

Since the last 4 worlds cups, Europe have 13 out of the 32 slots. Tell me why they won't have highest semi final appearances.

World Cup have been a 32 team tournament since 1998. Euros just upgraded to 24 teams in last tournament.

What this means is that while World Cup teams will negotiate R16 before quarter finals, Euros go straight to quarter finals from group stage. Do you know what it takes to scale that extra round?

Countries like Ghana, South Korea, Croatia have underdog stories in the World Cup. Who knows, if it were Euros format, they would have actually won the competition. Conversely, Portugal qualified from their group with just 3 points and went ahead to win the tourney.... Would they have had that success story if it were World Cup format?

Look at Greece that Super Eagles use to wipe floor that year. In Euros, they shocked everybody by lifting the trophy. Who knows if they would have done it if there was an extra round to negotiate?

DeadPresidents:


I wasn't surprised when Fifa WC 2018 turned to "Euro 2018" immediately the competition got to the semi-finals.

Europe are light years ahead of the rest of the footballing world.

96forever:
If you have any hope in southgate, I sorry for you.

timbros:


So many laughable submissions here.

I don't know where you got the notion that European football growth started in 1990. Italy and Germany started winning World Cups pre 1990.

@bolded... Please where in my post did I mention Club World Cup? We are discussing NT football here not Club.

Why won't Europe have the most semi final and final appearances when they have the lion share in slots alloted? Is it not shameful that after having the most semil and final appearances, they are just 3 trophies ahead of lowly South America?

Since the last 4 worlds cups, Europe have 13 out of the 32 slots. Tell me why they won't have highest semi final appearances.

World Cup have been a 32 team tournament since 1998. Euros just upgraded to 24 teams in last tournament.

What this means is that while World Cup teams will negotiate R16 before quarter finals, Euros go straight to quarter finals from group stage. Do you know what it takes to scale that extra round?

Countries like Ghana, South Korea, Croatia have underdog stories in the World Cup. Who knows, if it were Euros format, they would have actually won the competition. Conversely, Portugal qualified from their group with just 3 points and went ahead to win the tourney.... Would they have had that success story if it were World Cup format?

Look at Greece that Super Eagles use to wipe floor that year. In Euros, they shocked everybody by lifting the trophy. Who knows if they would have done it if there was an extra round to negotiate?

nihilistjnr:


This England squad finally has the midfield to play 4231 or 433.

Playing 3atb is just foolish especially as that's the weakest area of the squad.

Maguire and Stones or Maguire and Mings at the back is enough to work with, which then further allows Foden to play alongside Kane, Rashford and Sterling.

Ibime:


It's quite funny how Odoi was doing well under TT then disappeared after one bad performance. We don't know, something may be going on in training, but he is too young to write him off. The problem is, when you demand to get paid like a superstar, you get judged like a superstar.

patrickmuf:
You don't know what you are saying...Portugal has the most complete team in Europe from back to front, only France can be argued to have a better team.

donstan18:

List their subs

DeadPresidents:


The quality of the substitutes bench is not as pivotal in tourneys as it is in a 38-game league.

Tournaments are a sprint not a marathon and you'll mostly play only your first 11.

France did not win the last WC off the back of the contributions of Fekir, Dembele, Thauvin or Mendy rather, they won it with contributions from the Pogba's, Mbappe's and Kante's.

Trevor012:

stop overating portugal jara. I can list 4 to 5 England players that will start for Portugal.

andrewbaba44:


Portugal players no way better than England

DeadPresidents:


And there are definitely 5+ Portuguese players who'll start for England. Proves fecking nothing.

I'm not overrating Portugal, I'm just basing my analysis on the fact that one of both teams is the Arsenal of international football and we know which one it is

Trevor012:

The only players that will start for England in that portugal squad are Dias and Ronaldo( Due to reputation not even merit).

rooftops:
...I am not sure he does personal training. 3 years now odoi's shooting ability is still same, he rarely dribble. The guy should buckle up, just one bad loan deal and he will be kissing playing in a big team goodbye, he should ask his big bro at Fulham "the rolls Royce"

DeadPresidents:


The quality of the substitutes bench is not as pivotal in tourneys as it is in a 38-game league.

Tournaments are a sprint not a marathon and you'll mostly play only your first 11.

France did not win the last WC off the back of the contributions of Fekir, Dembele, Thauvin or Mendy rather, they won it with contributions from the Pogba's, Mbappe's and Kante's.

BlueAngel444:
Reading some funny posts here about European football, no forget say na for Europe football start. In a way na there property

Trevor012:

The only players that will start for England in that portugal squad are Dias and Ronaldo( Due to reputation not even merit).

airmark:


We don't need to distrupt the development of our young players. Hazard should go to Burnthisleaguedown to find his form.

Capaldi:

Football started in China.

Almajirihunter:


Bruno starts for sure

BlueAngel444:

swiz123:
A definition of all gingers no efficiency.

Trevor012:

Debatable. Bruno is not Benching a fit Grealish for me. With Kane/Ronaldo in the squad a penalty merchant is not required.

Havertz10:
when did the Berlin wall fall? When did the premier league with it's present format begin?

You can narrow all the growth that European countries have gotten down to post 1990, peace after the cold war led to unprecedented growth and development

There are 15 south american countries, there are 44 European countries, I no understand you, who suppose get more slots, side by side can you compare the competitive level of European countries vs their south American counterparts

Nigerian all star team with peak kanu and the rest wouldn't beat that Greece team, they were a team, once a team unites as one they can be very potent

format of the competition isn't a concern for me, na different conversation, i'm talking about the quality of the competition.

Leyqute:


Don’t the best players in South America play for European clubs?

Aren’t South American national teams filled with these players?

How many countries have won the World Cup with players from their local league? When last did that happen?

Europe getting more slots in World Cup makes it harder for European teams to win the World Cup, if you think about it. If WC elimination rounds were filled with Paraguay, Tanzania, Bolivia and the rest their odds of winning the tourno would go up because they have the best coaches, best players, best training equipments and the best exposure; beating those teams would be easier than beating another European side.

timbros:


Before we start digressing, let me repeat the subject under discussion. Euros vs World Cup, which is tougher to win?

I am not against the European slots vs their counterparts. The point is, to whom more is given, more is expected. Compare the slots that Europe has with trophies won, you will see that Europe have underperformed in World Cup woefully.

If Europeans are underperforming in the World Cup, how can you tell me their own tournament is tougher?

Imagine the names listed as most likely to win Euros... England, Portugal, Belgium.... How many World Cups have they won between them?

@bolded...Format of a competition should be at the core of this conversation because it goes a long way to identify the toughest competition. You can't tell me that a group you can qualify 3rd in the table is tougher than a group you need to be top 2 before qualification.

If the competition format doesn't concern you, then no need for this conversation.

nihilistjnr:


Grealish to Bruno

I dont know whether to be amused or appalled at such slander. Let the agenda agend sha. Ride on bro we dey ya back