No wonder kenyan GDP is so small...... Cost of starting a business in Africa

What you're describing happens weekly in Nigeria. It happens rarely in kenya.
Remember Kenya has been neighberhor to Somalia - whose gov collapsed in 1991.
Do you know how many years those are - 30yrs!
That country without any gov - that become breeding grounds for all illegal activities - and for last 20yrs islamic terrorism.
Kenya shares 1000km border with Somalia.
There are Kenyan ethnic somalis who wanted to secede like Igbos of Biafra.

But despite all that Kenya has managed to remain peaceful.

Kenya intelligence (NIS) is definitely one of Africa Best...because kenya is a democratic country - so we cannot enforce what Nigeria police or Ethiopia or Uganda can do - but they still do a good job.

Do you know Kenya Intelligence until a year ago were NOT ALLOWED to carry a gun - not even a pistol.
All they do is gather intelligence.. The problem was police were not acting on the intelligence...so recently they have been allowed to carry hand weapons and neutralize enemies whenever they can.

Do you know Kenya Intelligence services with less than 1000 members budget is like 300M usd.

Kenya only failure in security sector is corrupt police. KDF is topnotch. Kenya Intelligence (NIS) is topnotch. Kenya Criminal Investigation use to be one best in Africa but now it become corrupt like our police force.

Kenya has done a good job security wise living in region where only Tanzania is peaceful - the rest have been wars - Uganda for 20yrs - Sudan for like forever - Ethiopia is mostly chaos - and Somalia is just somalia.

obaaderemi:
BH is limited to borno.
Alshabaab which is not even Kenyan can come into Nairobi and kill people. That's fvckup. What happened to your intelligence service if you have one?
In Garissa alone, they Attacked a university and slaughtered 148 students. In westgate they killed 79 and wounded many more. Yet your soldiers went there and started shooting one another and looting the shops.
You should just stop with this bvllshit comparison. Your army is small, poorly trained, poorly armed and undisciplined.

In Africa, you are poorly ranked. Number 10 or something. Leave it at that, Boy. A good army will never be so poorly ranked no matter how small it is. Peace!

Starting a business is never a problem - the ease of doing business is the problem - and kenya is just below tiny Mauritus, Rwanda and Morocco.

Kenya GDP is small - but Nigeria is inflated.

obaaderemi:
No wonder kenyan GDP is so small......
Cost of starting a business in Africa

Kenya's National Intelligence Service(NIS) budget actually is nearly 400M dollars now. That for intelligence unit with I think about 1000 officers. Salaries for NIS in kenya start from 1500usd for graduate entering the NIS...It's definitely one of Africa best intelligence services.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZT7X2u8D34

That is why Nigeria's KANU found himself in one ticket home. Before that Turkey rebel leader found himself also at home to face charges. There is barely anything NIS will not know in Kenya. They have resources - are paid so well - most officers earn 3-4000usd a month - and run huge budgets .

This youtuber like many find themselves in - if you go taking pictures in Kenya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_o9Ho1flA4&t=810s

Just like Gen Daudi Tonje transformed KDF into a modern force. About the same time Brig Wilson Boinett also transformed Kenya NIS to one of Africa's modern intelligence unit. Previously it was like many intelligence unit in Africa - killing and torturing people. Nyati house their building was feared...half the building were torture chambers..then they got another torture branch in Nyayo house. Intelligence by Brute Force.

From 1990s - NIS totally transformed into professional forces that pays so well - nobody ever hears a whim of corruption - and that runs a budget of 400m dollars for a really tiny force of btw 500-1000 officers - who operate like civilians - nearly all are university graduates.

They are barred from carrying even a pistol - their job to generate actionable reports - that would be given to police and other gov agencies to execute. Their job to stay on top of any intelligence without getting into action. Post west-gate police screw ups - NIS are now allowed to carry pistols and to only act as last resort.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/wilson-boinett-military-man-who-turned-around-nis-1023164
Retired Brigadier Wilson Boinett is remembered as the man who transformed the National Security Intelligence Services to what it is now after he was appointed to head the agency in 1999. Initially, it was a department of the Kenya Police commonly known as the Special Branch.

NIS - went to low down under Gen Gichangi - which saw Kenya descend into tribal violence and West-gate. Thankfully NSIS by then had internalized the reforms and after west gate he got fired - and new NSIS director appointed. Gichangi was media loving politician. Kenya NIS had two great men - post British - Kanyottu (eventually got into corruption after a 'brilliant' gold stealing scheme from congo turned into graft) and Brig Boinnet. Both Boinett and Kanyottu were the ultimate spies. Both remarkable people with high IQ - I have met Brig Boinnet - and he has an almost photographic memory.

Kanyottu served for 25 yrs plus as kenya top spy and there is only one picture of him in any media house. That is how secretive intelligence need to be.

The CIA had warned Kibaki against dropping Boinett (he had got 2 more yrs under new gov of Kibaki - after his role in making Moi understand that KANU 40yrs hold in power was coming to an end and Moi had to concede ) and put Gichangi..the worst NIS director.

https://www.kenya-today.com/news/leaked-kenya-warned-replace-boinett-gichangi-helm-intelligence-service

The United States was wary when President Kibaki, still smarting from the thrashing by ODM side, replaced one of the country’s best spy chiefs with a tribal weakling from Mt. Kenya just after the 2005 referendum in what it claimed was Kibaki’s ethnic kikuyu attempts to stay in power through and beyond 2017.

“Boinett transformed the NSIS from a domestic political  tool into a modern professional intelligence service with an  emphasis on external threats. A former aide-de-camp to  President Moi and the last director of the Special Branch  (NSIS’s predecessor, remembered darkly by most Kenyans mostly  for running the Nyayo House political detention center during  the years of one-party rule), Boinett survived not only the 1999 demise of Special Branch but also the 2002 end of the Moi regime. Recognizing that change was needed, Boinett’s leadership garnered the NSIS domestic and international  respect for its relative apolitical nature and seriousness of  purpose. Reorganized to provide internal, external and  strategic intelligence to the President, NSIS proved to be  the USG’s single-most effective Kenyan partner — bar none — in combating Al-Qaeda and related terrorist threats in Kenya”.

The cable continues,

“But, in the end, the die was cast for Boinett’s undoing at his birth: he was born into the wrong tribe. An ethnic Kalenjin like former President Moi, Boinett was distrusted from the start of the Kibaki administration by many of those Kikuyu tribesmen closest to President Kibaki. Boinett undoubtedly made matters worse by telling Kibaki and his advisors news they did not like to hear — that Kenya remains vulnerable to al-Qaeda attacks, that tribal conflicts were resurfacing in rural areas, that President Kibaki’s Banana team would lose November’s constitutional referendum, etc”.

Of course, Gichangi and company bung

Nakuru city - Milimani estate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOMkEP2wp8

Keny best politician who had achieved so much and was killed like his friends JF Kennedy and Martin Luther King by assasin bullet in 1969 - aged 39 yrs old.

Tom Mboya's intelligence, charm, leadership, and oratory skills won him admiration from all over the world


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO66s4oQuxk


Tom Mboya stature where he was shot dead

rvp2018:
Comparing Nairobi with any West Africa city is big joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ9wgroZ3rY

Nairobi inner roads are tiny and dirty. Too congested. I'd rather live in my Abuja with clean wide roads, greenery and better sidewalk. Nairobi is a certified shitthol.

Abuja and Nairobi in the same sentence - who died? Nairobi is international city competing with likes of Joburg and Cairo in Africa - not Abuja - that is not even at Mombasa level

Kuruptnigga:
Nairobi inner roads are tiny and dirty. Too congested. I'd rather live in my Abuja with clean wide roads, greenery and better sidewalk. Nairobi is a certified shitthol.

rvp2018:
Abuja and Nairobi in the same sentence - who died? Nairobi is international city competing with likes of Joburg and Cairo in Africa - not Abuja - that is not even at Mombasa level

Are u talking of Syria

Vlain:




Are u talking of Syria

Is this Mombasa?

AfriqueDuZuid:


Is this Mombasa?

Yes oooo. The empty loser running his mouth knows this is what his shiit hole looks like.go back a few pages(5 pages back max) and see how I carefully and strategically broke Mombasa down.Kenya looks like the mess of Pakistan,india,Bangladesh,Syria,Yemen,Somalia. ..I mean this.I am not just saying this to get at them.it’s just the bitter truth. I mean make use of ur eyes.C’mon.

rvp2018:
What you're describing happens weekly in Nigeria. It happens rarely in kenya.
Remember Kenya has been neighberhor to Somalia - whose gov collapsed in 1991.
Do you know how many years those are - 30yrs!
That country without any gov - that become breeding grounds for all illegal activities - and for last 20yrs islamic terrorism.
Kenya shares 1000km border with Somalia.
There are Kenyan ethnic somalis who wanted to secede like Igbos of Biafra.

But despite all that Kenya has managed to remain peaceful.

Kenya intelligence (NIS) is definitely one of Africa Best...because kenya is a democratic country - so we cannot enforce what Nigeria police or Ethiopia or Uganda can do - but they still do a good job.

Do you know Kenya Intelligence until a year ago were NOT ALLOWED to carry a gun - not even a pistol.
All they do is gather intelligence.. The problem was police were not acting on the intelligence...so recently they have been allowed to carry hand weapons and neutralize enemies whenever they can.

Do you know Kenya Intelligence services with less than 1000 members budget is like 300M usd.

Kenya only failure in security sector is corrupt police. KDF is topnotch. Kenya Intelligence (NIS) is topnotch. Kenya Criminal Investigation use to be one best in Africa but now it become corrupt like our police force.

Kenya has done a good job security wise living in region where only Tanzania is peaceful - the rest have been wars - Uganda for 20yrs - Sudan for like forever - Ethiopia is mostly chaos - and Somalia is just somalia.

By the way kenya only share 682 km with Somalia

Not 1000km you falsely made

rvp2018:
Poor Samrobo, Edermman is back on River Estate, 34 flours eight buildings, by Chinese property developer Mr. Zeyun Yang - who has already developed and sold more than 2,000 units in Nairobi.

Render idiot.dead asf

rvp2018:
Safaricom's Staff - Sacco - SIC has completed many projects - including Crystal village in Athi river with shopping mall; now just beside Tatu City they are building 120 acres estate - Zaaria. Kenya is of course leading in Africa in SACCOs - where employers form companies where they save and borrow their own money to each other creating economies of scale. Kenya in informal sectors also lead in what we call "chama" or group or table banking or merry go round - where those informal sector daily or weekly save money - and it's given to an individual.

Some of things that enable kenya to do a lot with zero minerals or natural resources.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTr-IsvKhbk

Progress


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oVacWZx6A

In today's world you should realise that different strategies can be applied to get same results.

However SACCOS works well in informal sectors and economies that does not have great banking sector.

rvp2018:
Enaki city - Mini city in Nairobi's Nyari estate. Africa first residential resort.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0U9a62fs68

LOL residential resorts has been around for decades

Just like you thought social mixed use developments are new to Africa, just like you thought two rivers development is something new to Africa, they too have been around for decades

Smart alec, done with looting, did you add the sea border. Also did you add the huge part Ethiopia where ethnic somalis live in.

AfriqueDuZuid:


By the way kenya only share 682 km with Somalia

Not 1000km you falsely made

Enaki made that claim. Not me.

AfriqueDuZuid:


LOL residential resorts has been around for decades

Just like you thought social mixed use developments are new to Africa, just like you thought two rivers development is something new to Africa, they too have been around for decades

rvp2018:
Infinity Industrial Park Nairobi

At least try to used the right quality of bricks

rvp2018:
Enaki made that claim. Not me.

Who is Enaki?

Kenya border with Somalia is 682km

You're an idiot of the highest order.
Biggest cooperatives are in the developed world.
Biggest cooperative bank is France Group Credit Agricole - with 3-5 times more assets than entire south african banking.
Some of Europe biggest firms are cooperatives

AfriqueDuZuid:


In today's world you should realise that different strategies can be applied to get same results.

However SACCOS works well in informal sectors and economies that does not have great banking sector.

Land border and sea border exceed 1000km.

AfriqueDuZuid:


Who is Enaki?

Kenya border with Somalia is 682km

rvp2018:
You're an idiot of the highest order.
Biggest cooperatives are in the developed world.
Biggest cooperative bank is France Group Credit Agricole - with 3 times more assets than entire south african banking.

What's the entire assets of south African banking?

I know you don't know the real value of SA banking, this is not kenya with small banking sector

.

rvp2018:
You're an idiot of the highest order.
Biggest cooperatives are in the developed world.
Biggest cooperative bank is France Group Credit Agricole - with 3-5 times more assets than entire south african banking.
Some of Europe biggest firms are cooperatives

Group credit Agricole can be compared south Africa's PUBLIC INVESTMENT CORPORATION

What are kenya biggest firms?

samorobo:


Render idiot.dead asf

In top 100 Africa most valuable companies

Kenya has only 3 in top 100,

https://victor-mochere.com/top-100-most-valuable-companies-in-africa

its a cooperative bank..its not pension fund. Develop your cooperative sector and stop hidding behind "Informal" sector while you're LOOTING like a banana republic.

Kenya Cooperative Bank - is definitely Africa largest Cooperative Bank. It's the third largest bank in Kenya - with assets nearly 6B dollars

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/markets/capital-markets/co-op-bank-reclaims-third-position-rankings-3340972

AfriqueDuZuid:


Group credit Agricole can be compared south Africa's PUBLIC INVESTMENT CORPORATION

What are kenya biggest firms?

rvp2018:
Enaki made that claim. Not me.

Email is a tiny resort estate .simple as A,b’C

rvp2018:
its a cooperative bank..its not pension fund. Develop your cooperative sector and stop hidding behind "Informal" sector while you're LOOTING like a banana republic.

Kenya Cooperative Bank - is definitely Africa largest Cooperative Bank. It's the third largest bank in Kenya - with assets nearly 6B dollars

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/markets/capital-markets/co-op-bank-reclaims-third-position-rankings-3340972

Well standard bank ha assets of $131 billion that's 5 times the entire kenya banking sector

Vlain:


Email is a tiny resort estate .simple as A,b’C

Even tiny Mauritius, I don't even have to mention SA

Things come late in kenya and when they do Kenyans tend to think it's Africa first

Of course. South Africa is bigger economy than Kenya with lesser banks. South Africa has I think4-6 banks. Kenya has 42-45 banks.
Kenya banking assets definitely growing faster than South Africa - and like the economy - is now roughly 1/3!
I am sure by 2030 - the gap would be so small
Or sooner if you continue looting your country to death - after your justice system tried to jail the chief looter.

Now let us move back to COOPERATIVEs in South Africa.

AfriqueDuZuid:


Well standard bank ha assets of $131 billion that's 5 times the entire kenya banking sector