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Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:10pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
JohnBullMySon: That man is not talking down on anybody. This is the same guy that has spent so much of his own money on developing the women's game in Nigeria. He gave us Oshoala, Okeke, Ajibade and many more. So he has a right to have an opinion on this matter. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by JohnBullMySon: 6:24pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli:I did not say he was talking down on anyone. He loves the women's league to the extent he doesn't see through his bias. He should stick to developing the women's game in Nigeria and stop bitching about who plays or doesn't play in the squad. The National team is not a platform for grassroot development. When the coach sees a talent, the talent gets invited, period. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:49pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
JohnBullMySon: That man discovered one of the greatest African women to ever touch a football, he is talking out of confidence. Maybe he has seen something the coach hasn't seen. Either way he must be allowed to speak. If he can't speak on the women's game who can? It's not about coming online and typing a few sentences, this man is really in the field. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Danielnino00(m): 7:57pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
JohnBullMySon: If the super falcons wasn't an attractive brand, will the foreign born players be willing to represent us? I don't think so... Who helped make the super falcons an attractive brand? The home based players over the years... So don't say the man is talking trash... |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by JohnBullMySon: 8:06pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli:I appreciate his hard work and experience in the field. However, that does not give him the leverage to make derogatory remarks in the name of opinion. One can easily see through his statements that his major concern is Waldrum filling the squad with foreign born players. It's not as if they've done badly, just simply because he feels they're less Nigerian. Even if some biologically (considering mixed race parenthood) might fit into this, you should know that nobody feels good with such a description. This is the 21st century and we should all be progressive thinkers. No one should be so aversive to change because nothing remains the same anywhere. We'll still have so many more people with multiple nationalities going forward. They're all Nigerians and deserve equal opportunities. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by JohnBullMySon: 8:27pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Danielnino00:What do you even mean by attractive brand? Why must we all sugar coat the fact that this man is making a biased and divisive statement? Must everyone be born in Nigeria to identify with the country? In the USA, there are so many people who have become citizens, even though they were born abroad. These are the kind of statements that should be condemned irrespective of the personality. You people are not different from Trump. Na wa OH |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by isan(m): 9:11pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
The man is wrong , the foreign born in the team will feel targeted every nigerian is equal and should have the same chance to represent their country irrespective of where they are born BascoVanVeli: 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:13pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
JohnBullMySon: Derogatory Don't even go there abeg. The man has a right to defend his league. He never questioned them being Nigerian, he is questioning so many of them getting selected over players in the league. If I were Waldrum I would always keep in contact with that guy and Okon because those two have the best eye for talent. Without Okon Oshoala would still be a defensive midfielder. U can say he was wrong but it is definitely debatable. Players leaving the NWFL never need time to settle in abroad. That should tell you the level of our league. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by isan(m): 9:14pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
At the end of the day the super falcons belong to every Nigerian not the people that make it influential Danielnino00: 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by isan(m): 9:17pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Oshoala became a forward under dedevbo BascoVanVeli: |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:27pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
isan: Are the girls he is advocating for not Nigerian too |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:30pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
isan: Rivers United. Credit goes to dedevbo because he utilized her very well but Okon had already done the deed at club level. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by isan(m): 9:53pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
The foreign born you doesn't want are also Nigerians , aren't they ?? BascoVanVeli: |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:37pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
isan: I was even Joining u people to argue for nothing. How does 'girls in college' turn into foreign born Na wa ooo and me sef I was arguing without reading first. That reporter is a total idiot. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:41pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
I guess he was talking about Nicole Payne and Esther Okoronkwo. I think they are going to be top players for us in the future but like I said from the beginning that man has a right to say how he feels. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AkinDS: 10:44pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
Yes, he is. He sees the FB ladies as a threat to his production line and livelihood, and cannot process the fact that they are Nigerians too. That is discrimination and its against the bylaws of Nigeria. The problem is those at home always feel threatened by those in diaspora. Instead of him seeing the FB ladies as an opportunity to improve the overall standing of the SF and therefore, increasing the profile of the HB in the SF, he sees them as a threat to HB in the SF, as if the HB players have a singular monopoly on the players in the SF. He is too myopic to comprehend that the FB players will force the HB players to improve tactically and strategically, which will enhance the overall visibility of HB players for those foreign clubs who will be attracted to and recruit them. So he supposedly 'discovered' Oshoala. So what? He will certainly NOT be the first and last manager to do so. Besides, after all these years of supposedly 'discovering' players, he can only point to 3 that have made the 'jump off' and maybe one on the cusp... Oshoala, Ajibade, Okeke and Gift Monday. That is indeed a poor record and its obvious he has been slacking a bit in his 'discovering duties'. His argument is the same old BS we hear from locals who want their wards in the NT, regardless of how unprepared they are, at the expense of better and more tactically sound players, who are foreign based. That's why the country is currently mired in mediocrity and resists at all costs, any opportunity to use available resources wherever to improve and enhance the country. BascoVanVeli: 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by JohnBullMySon: 11:36pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli:Okay, are you saying that our league is better than where some of them did come from? We watched the summer series together and saw some of them play. We have produced talents it doesn't mean that generally our league is so highly rated. Sincerely, some of our new players are what it takes to move to the next level. Thank of Payne, Alozie, Patricia. Which players do we have in the league better than them at the moment? |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by JohnBullMySon: 11:41pm On Jul 22, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli:Read again and analyze. You don't have to be an English expert to see where he's driving to. "Players of Nigerian Descent" means what? Why did he balance his statement with " At the detriment of locally grown players"? Almost all Super Falcons except the ones he's talking about was brought up from NWFL. His point is very clear. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:08am On Jul 23, 2021 |
JohnBullMySon: isan: The bolded is what the man said. Anything else is the journalist adding salt and pepper. He clearly was talking about the super falcons calling up college players. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:39am On Jul 23, 2021 |
JohnBullMySon: Our league has better players than a lot of places they come from trust me. This is why players keep getting paid to play overseas. Osarenoma Igbinovia, Cecillia Nku and Ugo Njoku are still in the league. Outside of Toni Payne and Michelle Alozie nobody has done anything that special. U are acting like the coach invited one or two players. The man has probably capped the most FB in history. Invited Alozie even as a training player and then we get to the college players. It is not a crime to wonder out loud about what is going on. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:50am On Jul 23, 2021 |
AkinDS: You see this is the problem. U are talking about livelihood in women's football. So for your mind he takes in millions from his team? As a private club owner that man spends more than he makes. Then there are no transfer fees in football so players like Oshoala and Ajibade went for peanuts. It is the same love for growing the women's game in Nigeria that is making him speak out. U people just want to change the narrative to fit your agenda. It is completely ridiculous that a coach in a league can be labeled some kind of bigot because he speaks out for the players in that league. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AkinDS: 1:01am On Jul 23, 2021 |
Iffy Onumonu hasn't done anything? Really? Or Plumptre? I mean, seriously SMH. You talk about college players...did these college players not hold their own and in some cases, out performed the so called home based players with their years or centuries of 'experience', during the Summer series? Did Ijeoma Okoronkwo and Nicole Payne not hold their own against established professionals (at the same level or even better than some of the so called 'experienced' HB players)? Shouldn't that be a red flag to let you know that they may be of a much higher standard than our so called experienced HB players? I mean, is it not about what have you done for me lately? The likes of Osare (who I REALLY liked as a midfielder), Nku and Njoku, in spite of all their vast years of experience, never really could elevate their game to the next level. They had hit a ceiling in their development and that's why they didn't make it. We need to look at younger players (which Randy is currently doing) and move our Super Falcons to the next level. BascoVanVeli: |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AkinDS: 1:09am On Jul 23, 2021 |
He does not have to make 'millions' for it to impact his livelihood. Did Oshoala not donate a bus to Robo FC recently? Did she not buy jerseys and boots and so forth for the team? Ditto that with Rash and Okeke. Its about perceived benefits that will accrue because they made it to the WNT and subsequently, abroad where they can make money to help fund his project. That is the impact on his livelihood I am referring to, in addition to the potential transfer funds (albeit limited) he may see as being threatened. So, does the fact that he 'supposedly' loves the Nigeria women's game give him the right to speak disparagingly about other Nigerians, who may have been brought up outside of the country, but also want to represent their fatherland? That is absolutely wrong on ALL fronts. He may not have know better, but what he said is laden with bigotry and ignorance on his part. No right thinking person who purports to love Nigeria should stand for that! BascoVanVeli: |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:50am On Jul 23, 2021 |
AkinDS: Obviously I was talking about playing for Nigeria since Alozie wasn't even on a club roster at the time. Which experienced home based player did u see on the pitch? When last did they play for the super falcons. Next who did Nicole and Okoronkwo outperform? There are no stats to prove that sir. Next level or not those players u mentioned have more club medals than probably all the FB combined. Why? They don't play for top teams that fight for trophies. Should I take your logic and claim they can't raise their level to get signed by the Barcelona's of the world Or should I use common sense and realize that they can still offer something to our team. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 2:05am On Jul 23, 2021 |
AkinDS: Did u hear that he sold the bus or that he is using it for taxi? Did Oshoala also pay for fuel and maintenance of the bus? Will the man wear the boots? For your mind Ajibade and Okeke combined have a quarter of Oshoala money? Oga u have no reason to even say something like that. Where were u all those years that the man was doing it solely by himself? I have proven he only spoke on college players but u still want to be mischievous and claim to have read bigotry in his statement. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AkinDS: 5:22am On Jul 23, 2021 |
And your point is...? As Chairman of the club, his job is to provide transportation and kits (boots, jerseys, etc) for his team. If someone makes a donation to cover an otherwise big ticket item (like a bus or kits for the team), doesn't that offset 'out of pocket' funds that the club owner would have otherwise been forced to cover as part of his obligation as club owner? Think of the typical Nigerian pastor, where he pretty much lives on the 'gifts' from his parishioners (cars, planes, cash, etc.). This means he doesn't have to spend much 'out of pocket' to maintain his lifestyle and his only job is to grow his congregation so that he can get more 'gifts'. Same difference. Also, I have no clue what Ajibade makes, but I am pretty sure she is well compensated by Atletico Madrid. Besides, what difference does that make to the argument? BascoVanVeli: |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AkinDS: 5:34am On Jul 23, 2021 |
But Alozie, even with her limited experience, pretty much walked into the squad, besting other 'experienced' HB professionals. Ditto that for Ijeoma and Nicole. That says a lot about the caliber and quality of the HB players, don't you think? Experienced HBs were Glory Ogbonna, Gift Monday and Joy Bokiri. Club medals are relative. A player can have the most 'club medals' ever from the Indian Women's league (for example) but does that make them a comparatively good enough player? Absolutely NOT! BascoVanVeli: 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AkinDS: 5:37am On Jul 23, 2021 |
Did he really? That is debatable, based on Oshoala's comments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Q6HzMk_H4&t=6s BascoVanVeli: |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by CoolJulian: 7:48am On Jul 23, 2021 |
AkinDS: You are so on point! I'm really surprised that some people back him. I'd really like them to mention the foreign based players who should be excused for home players... Super Falcons has to compete with serious footballing nations, and as such, any player who would improve the team is welcomed by me. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by CoolJulian: 8:07am On Jul 23, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli: They play in college, so? Which of the home based players we watched were better than them? |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by JohnBullMySon: 8:10am On Jul 23, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli:I don't understand why you always like to make a biased point, then stick to it with all sorts of arguments. Firstly, Alozie was at least training with Houston dash at that point. It was even the Houston dash coach that recommended her to Randy, because he felt she was very good. Also, Zogg plays for Zurich, one of the top European clubs. Apart from Oshoala and Ajibade, who else plays in a better club than her? Esther was very good at the game against Jamaica. Even you too know that. I wonder why we haven't gone anywhere in the World Cup if our players are as good as you claim. It's not as if I have any special love for FB players, but truth be told, they are a good upgrade to some positions on our squad. The only bias here is the noise that man is making. |
Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by CoolJulian: 8:28am On Jul 23, 2021 |
BascoVanVeli: He definitely has the right to defend his league, but he can only "defend," and that's good enough. He will never be able to influence the coach to select his players- the coach only wants the best players to play for Nigeria cos he's a visionary coach; he will select the best, whether they play for college teams or not. You mean players leaving the NWFL don't struggle? Check the leagues they play, after which we'll discuss. Mention the ones who go to serious leagues and cope just fine in recent times. Even Oshoala and Ajibade still had a lot to learn to be able to integrate. |
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