Kingsnairaland:
the guy is asking u to explain why two beings appear in heaven at once I have told him the explanation he acts like he did not see it

Its a non starter request because there are no two beings to start with at any time or anywhere.

Echo chambers are dangerous, the guy needs to break of it, in order for him to see God as be One, and one Being

I know you've religiously explained to him, but until he realises that if God is a spirit, incorporeal, formless, invisible, unseeable etc, then, in order to see God in the flesh, in order to see God physically, in order to see God shaped, in order to see God in a way that is visible to the eye, is the main reason, among other significants why God, projected Himself out, in the person of Jesus, or as Jesus. When Mary kissed her little baby, she was kissing the face of God (i.e. Emmanuel, aka God is with us) The Rock that Moshe smacked in the wilderness was Jesus. The burning bush not consumed in the wilderness is God. The pillar of cloud behind the Israelites and pillar of fire in front of Israelites was God. The Angel of the Lord is God, the list goes on. How beings so far, why isnt he counting all those or them manifestations of God and numbering them up too?

The worst of all deceptions, is self deception, so I dont know where from came the confused idea that David saw the Father and the Son in the Spirit in Psalms 110 v 1. That coming from him, is self deception

The ability to self-deceive is not innate, but is a learned trait, especially like in this matter saying otherwise, when the bible categorically states that:
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side (i.e. ‎John 1:18

I noticed that he's been shoring his argument with trying to use genus, meanwhile God hasn't a genus, God has no genus, God is an exception to the Genus rule. God is unique.You cant use man woman, husband wife, human beings (i.e. human genus and species) to explain off the Godhead or God. The creation is not up to task of explain his/her/its Creator

Just as Bishopkingsley succinctly put it. It is within God's power, capacity, capability, ability creative skill, ingenuity etc, to simultaneously and/or concurrently be in Heaven and on Earth One being showing up and existing in more than one place at the same time. No other being that I know can do this, no even satan.

BassReeves:
Its a non starter request because there are no two beings to start with at any time or anywhere.

Echo chambers are dangerous, the guy needs to break of it, in order for him to see God as be One, and one Being

I know you've religiously explained to him, but until he realises that if God is a spirit, incorporeal, formless, invisible, unseeable etc, then, in order to see God in the flesh, in order to see God physically, in order to see God shaped, in order to see God in a way that is visible to the eye, is the main reason, among other significants why God, projected Himself out, in the person of Jesus, or as Jesus. When Mary kissed her little baby, she was kissing the face of God (i.e. Emmanuel, aka God is with us) The Rock that Moshe smacked in the wilderness was Jesus. The burning bush not consumed in the wilderness is God. The pillar of cloud behind the Israelites and pillar of fire in front of Israelites was God. The Angel of the Lord is God, the list goes on. How beings so far, why isnt he counting all those or them manifestations of God and numbering them up too?

The worst of all deceptions, is self deception, so I dont know where from came the confused idea that David saw the Father and the Son in the Spirit in Psalms 110 v 1. That coming from him, is self deception

The ability to self-deceive is not innate, but is a learned trait, especially like in this matter saying otherwise, when the bible categorically states that:
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side (i.e. ‎John 1:18

I noticed that he's been shoring his argument with trying to use genus, meanwhile God hasn't a genus, God has no genus, God is an exception to the Genus rule. God is unique.You cant use man woman, husband wife, human beings (i.e. human genus and species) to explain off the Godhead or God. The creation is not up to task of explain his/her/its Creator

Just as Bishopkingsley succinctly put it. It is within God's power, capacity, capability, ability creative skill, ingenuity etc, to simultaneously and/or concurrently be in Heaven and on Earth One being showing up and existing in more than one place at the same time. No other being that I know can do this, no even satan.

beautiful well he has seen that God is truly one being

Kingsnairaland:
beautiful well he has seen that God is truly one being

I saw he did, saw where and when he did see.
He came round to admit that. All the credit goes to your doggedness and standing tall with him. Your doing the no retreat, no surrender, no yielding, produced that result. Well done for the gift of grace, persistence, and your labour of love

..

BassReeves:
I saw he did, saw where and when he did see.
He came round to admit that. All the credit goes to your doggedness and standing tall with him. Your doing the no retreat, no surrender, no yielding, produced that result. Well done for the gift of grace, persistence, and your labour of love

glory to God

Kingsnairaland:
glory to God

He admitted that:
'God is one being (a divine being) but with distinct persons.

Just as you and your earthly father is one being (human being or mankind), but you are a distinct person from your father.

This is the second time I’ve answered this question today.'

BassReeves:
He admitted that:
'God is one being (a divine being) but with distinct persons.

Just as you and your earthly father is one being (human being or mankind), but you are a distinct person from your father.

This is the second time I’ve answered this question today.'

yes only God can actually show that to man because not by our own self can we reveal it.. So we give God the glory

Kingsnairaland:
yes only God can actually show that to man because not by our own self can we reveal it.. So we give God the glory

Now, yes, he is come to admit that God is one, but, just as I had earlier pointed out, the thing is, he cant employ or use the 'earthly father and you Kingsnairaland' genus in his argument, and this for the sole reason because God hasn't got genus.
God is unique, is a non classification, non grouping, non category etc.

BassReeves:
Now, yes, he is come to admit that God is one, but, just as I had earlier pointed out, the thing is, he cant employ or use the 'earthly father and you Kingsnairaland' genus in his argument, and this for the sole reason because God hasn't got genus.
God is unique, is a non classification, non grouping, non category etc.

by genus you mean rank

OkCornel:


The seven spirits of God is the Holy Spirit poured out upon all the earth. The same Holy Spirit that filled Jesus and John the Baptist.

The Holy Spirit is distinct (different) from Jesus, don’t get it twisted.

You are correct in saying the Seven Spirits of God is the Holy Spirit. Correctly put, it is an ancient way of describing a King known as pluralis majestatis .

It is a term that refers to the use of a plural word to refer honorifically to a single person or entity. It is also called the ‘plural of respect’, the ‘honorific plural’, the ‘plural of excellence’, or the ‘plural of intensity’. In the Hebrew Bible such plural forms are most commonly used when referring to the God of Israel.

John was writing to those under the rule of Rome. There are seven hills surrounding Rome. Referring to the Holy Spirit as Seven Spirits could be a reverence to His encompassing power over the seven churches (Psalm 125:2). (Jerusalem has seven hills too).

If we are to look at the first chapter of Jesus' letter to the churches as a letter, we see that letter has three signatories at the address section of the letter. The last signatory being the Seven Spirits-of-God. We can look at it as a signing mandate; indicating that all three signatories have the same authority and joint mandate (none being greater than the other) over the churches.

Rather than writing the single word "God", Elohim (the plural of individuals), John reveals the individuals who have power over the churches.

Kingsnairaland:
yes only God can actually show that to man because not by our own self can we reveal it.. So we give God the glory

With the revelation God gave me about himself when I was under a great man of God
I saw it God opened the trinity that day in front of me so that my area to reveal who Jesus is according to what I saw.. All glory indeed be to God our creator

BassReeves:
Its a non starter request because there are no two beings to start with at any time or anywhere.

Echo chambers are dangerous, the guy needs to break of it, in order for him to see God as be One, and one Being

I know you've religiously explained to him, but until he realises that if God is a spirit, incorporeal, formless, invisible, unseeable etc, then, in order to see God in the flesh, in order to see God physically, in order to see God shaped, in order to see God in a way that is visible to the eye, is the main reason, among other significants why God, projected Himself out, in the person of Jesus, or as Jesus. When Mary kissed her little baby, she was kissing the face of God (i.e. Emmanuel, aka God is with us) The Rock that Moshe smacked in the wilderness was Jesus. The burning bush not consumed in the wilderness is God. The pillar of cloud behind the Israelites and pillar of fire in front of Israelites was God. The Angel of the Lord is God, the list goes on. How beings so far, why isnt he counting all those or them manifestations of God and numbering them up too?

The worst of all deceptions, is self deception, so I dont know where from came the confused idea that David saw the Father and the Son in the Spirit in Psalms 110 v 1. That coming from him, is self deception

The ability to self-deceive is not innate, but is a learned trait, especially like in this matter saying otherwise, when the bible categorically states that:
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side (i.e. ‎John 1:18

I noticed that he's been shoring his argument with trying to use genus, meanwhile God hasn't a genus, God has no genus, God is an exception to the Genus rule. God is unique.You cant use man woman, husband wife, human beings (i.e. human genus and species) to explain off the Godhead or God. The creation is not up to task of explain his/her/its Creator

Just as Bishopkingsley succinctly put it. It is within God's power, capacity, capability, ability creative skill, ingenuity etc, to simultaneously and/or concurrently be in Heaven and on Earth One being showing up and existing in more than one place at the same time. No other being that I know can do this, no even satan.

Lol, now he claims David didn’t see two people in Psalms 110 v 1.

Will you also tell us Daniel didn’t “see” anything too?

Daniel 7 v 13;
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.

Bishopkingsley:


Let me tell you the truth about what God show me God told me the Bible is completely silent on whether father is/not Jesus or holy spirit..

All this distinct remarks we humans try to use Bible is completely silent on it

Because in one place you your self can see they are distinct

And on another place you see they are just the same

That why I will not open my mouth about saying they are the same or they are different

Bible is completely silent on this mystery

We can just show the place where he displays his different kinds of work

That my own revelation but one thing Bible shows he is one being

Doing this work this great thing

Now if you believe three of them are totally different beings

You are on your own and as you can see no part of the Bible that completely supports that claim

That why I keep showing you where cut off your claim


Hahahan hahaha

Let me look for another chapter that Wil knock your claim out

are you a penticostal pastor

BassReeves:
Now, yes, he is come to admit that God is one, but, just as I had earlier pointed out, the thing is, he cant employ or use the 'earthly father and you Kingsnairaland' genus in his argument, and this for the sole reason because God hasn't got genus.
God is unique, is a non classification, non grouping, non category etc.

God is One (Unity of three distinct persons), not One literal person (Solitary One). The whole Echad and Yachad discussion.

I have never said God is not One. My understanding of One differs from Kingsnairaland. That is where the issue is.

Frankly speaking, I’m tired of the circular argument and would rather discuss something else today.

Kingsnairaland:
by genus you mean rank

Philippians 2:6
'who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God
[as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity],
did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted
as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];'

Yes, in a kind of a way, rank because 'genus' is a classification of species with common attributes or is a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding, but God is in an unknown class of His, in fact God hasn't a class. There is no taxonomy for God.

Also when you say, rank, it isnt about position, because in the Godhead is equality (i.e. Philippians 2:6)

Now about genus, the cougar aka mountain lion is in the Puma genus. Lions and tigers are the Panthera genus. Small and medium-sized cat species are in the Felis genus. Asses, mules, horses, donkeys and zebras are in the Equus genus. Rats are in the Rattus genus. One of the seven genera of dogs is the Canis genus. Snakes have about about 520 genera, so I wouldnt list their genus/genera. We, human beings aka homo sapiens, are in the Homo genus

PS: Kingsnairaland mind you, I forgot to add, in some quarters, the revered Thomas Aquinas quote which states that:
'God is not related to creatures as though belonging to a different "genus,"
but as transcending every "genus," and as the principle of all "genera"'
- The Basic Writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas:
God and the Order of Creation, Volume One

Prettygirl27:


You are correct in saying the Seven Spirits of God is the Holy Spirit. Correctly put, it is an ancient way of describing a King known as pluralis majestatis .

It is a term that refers to the use of a plural word to refer honorifically to a single person or entity. It is also called the ‘plural of respect’, the ‘honorific plural’, the ‘plural of excellence’, or the ‘plural of intensity’. In the Hebrew Bible such plural forms are most commonly used when referring to the God of Israel.

John was writing to those under the rule of Rome. There are seven hills surrounding Rome. Referring to the Holy Spirit as Seven Spirits could be a reverence to His encompassing power over the seven churches (Psalm 125:2). (Jerusalem has seven hills too).

If we are to look at the first chapter of Jesus' letter to the churches as a letter, we see that letter has three signatories at the address section of the letter. The last signatory being the Seven Spirits-of-God. We can look at it as a signing mandate; indicating that all three signatories have the same authority and joint mandate (none being greater than the other) over the churches.

Rather than writing the single word "God", Elohim (the plural of individuals), John reveals the individuals who have power over the churches.

Accurate!

Nancy2020:

are you a penticostal pastor

Well I believe in catholic and Pentecostalism
Basically any ministry that preach trinity as one being in three distinct persons

I don't limit myself to one area of church because God revealed to me he is every where just like he showed it the seven churches in revelation

When the bubble where he claims David saw two people in Psalms 110 v 1 was busted, he now switches to talking about Daniel that the bible specifically said “see” unlike David that there was no mention of see or saw in Psalms 110 v 1

Kingsnairaland:
sure OK

Good morning

OkCornel:


Accurate!

my brother

BassReeves:
Yes, in a kind of a way, rank because 'genus' is a classification of species with common attributes or is a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding, but God is in an unknown class of His, in fact God hasn't a class There is no taxonomy for God.

Now about genus, the cougar aka mountain lion is in the Puma genus. Lions and tigers are the Panthera genus. Small and medium-sized cat species are in the Felis genus. Asses, mules, horses, donkeys and zebras are in the Equus genus. Rats are in the Rattus genus. One of the seven genera of dogs is the Canis genus. Snakes have about about 520 genera, so I wouldnt list their genus/genera. We, human beings aka homo sapiens, are in the Homo genus

right on point

OkCornel:


Accurate!

where did we stop

BassReeves:
When the bubble where he claims David saw two people in Psalms 110 v 1 was busted, he now switches to talking about Daniel that the bible specifically said “see” unlike David that there was no mention of see or saw in Psalms 110 v 1

And he dodges the vision of Daniel as well. Just tell us Daniel saw nothing too

Psalms 110 v 1
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion; you will rule in the midst of your enemies. Your troops will be willing on your day of battle.

Matthew 22 v 42 - 45

42 “What do you think about the Messiah?
Whose son is he?” “The son of David,” they replied.
43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44 “‘The LORD said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”
45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”


Just tell us David saw nothing but only heard something Also tell us Daniel saw nothing too.

Bishopkingsley:


Well I believe in catholic and Pentecostalism
Basically any ministry that preach trinity as one being in three distinct persons

I don't limit myself to one area of church because God revealed to me he is every where just like he showed it the seven churches in revelation

you have really explained a lot. I have read a lot of this topic as a guest without logging in it is quite explicitly clear with the way you teach the trinity, because as you have said in some scripture chapters they seem as the same in another place you see they seem different. Which sometimes it quite confusing, now I know why God made it so.

Bishopkingsley:
my brother

I’m discussing how God never changed. Oneness of God and Trinity I’m not doing.

It’s long overflogged since application of the dictionary meaning of these words “distinct”, “person” and “trinity” doesn’t apply.

OkCornel:


I’m discussing how God never changed. Oneness of God and Trinity I’m not doing.

It’s long overflogged since application of the dictionary meaning of these words “distinct”, “person” and “trinity” doesn’t apply.

distinct apply sure but Bible is mixing it with the same so it hard to really break it as you want but no problem that is not a big deal this is the PhD aspect of God which is not a requirement to making heaven lol

OkCornel:


Good morning

Good morning which topic today

For Bassreeves who claims David didn’t see God;

Psalms 63 v 2;
1 You, God, are my God, earnestly I seek you;
I thirst for you, my whole being longs for you,
in a dry and parched land where there is no water.

2 I have seen you in the sanctuary and beheld your power and your glory.


Psalms 110 v 1 is one of other incidents David saw God.

OkCornel:


I’m discussing how God never changed. Oneness of God and Trinity I’m not doing.

It’s long overflogged since application of the dictionary meaning of these words “distinct”, “person” and “trinity” doesn’t apply.

I’m discussing how God never changed..... I think that place in Bible that God declared I am God I change not is making you to swell right lol

Kingsnairaland:
Good morning which topic today

OkCornel:


God never changed, it was man’s understanding of God that changed over time.

But that’s a topic for another time.

Back to the topic, if you admit the scriptures isn’t silent on the distinction, finally! We’re getting somewhere.

This one.

Bishopkingsley:


I’m discussing how God never changed..... I think that place in Bible that God declared I am God I change not is making you to swell right lol

Yeah partly. People have the impression God was brutal in the Old Testament, but became more gentle in the New Testament.

That something “changed” about God. Some even go as far as believing the God of the Old Testament is different from the God of the New Testament


I don’t think so.

OkCornel:
God is One (Unity of three distinct persons), not One literal person (Solitary One).

1. Are you saying its impossible for God to be in more than one place at the same time? Yes, its impossible or No, its not impossible?
2. Are you saying God doesnt have the power, creative skill, ingenuity to project Himself out into been and becoming a human being? Yes, He has the power or No, he doesnt have the power?
3. Are you saying there is one numeral God? Yes, there is, one numeral God or No, there isnt one numeral God?
4. Are you saying that the chemical symbol H₂0 is not literally one (i.e. solitary one or one unit)? Yes, the chemical symbol H₂0 is literally one or no, the chemical symbol H₂0 is not literally one (i.e. not solitary one or one unit)?

OkCornel:
The whole Echad and Yachad discussion.

I have never said God is not One. My understanding of One differs from Kingsnairaland. That is where the issue is.

Frankly speaking, I’m tired of the circular argument and would rather discuss something else today.

God is echad (i.e. its Hebrew) God is hen (i.e. this is Greek) and they both mean one, as in literal number one, God is one, as meaning God is unified. Unified, is the opposite of divided. In fact, unified is a word, that means being together, and that is the idea, the impression and message John 17:22 is conveying, which is the Godhead is together, they are united in purpose, in mission, in plan etc

In fact, Echad, is an adjective word, describing the unity or unified essence of the Godhead or God, telling the fact or state of the Godhead or God, being unified regardless of the ability to exist or manifest in more one way, more than one means, more than one form etc. It is describing the state of the Godhead or God, being in harmony even the reality of the togetherness or oneness of the Godhead or God. Mind you, Echad is talking of unity or harmony here and not sameness. Godhead or God is One

As for yachad, it is an action word, meaning, it is a verb. The Godhead has to be in united for a common purpose etc. The word yachad, is related to a verb of action, expressing or describing what action the Godhead or God does, which is the Godhead unites. Its just as similar with the husband and wife that have to unite in order to, in so many ways, become one.

OkCornel:
I have never said God is not One

Well, God is One and so the bible affirms

OkCornel:
My understanding of One differs from Kingsnairaland. That is where the issue is.

Your lack of understanding the bible's perspective about God literally been one, as one, just as water or H₂0 is one is where the issue is for you.

There is only one chemical symbol, H₂0, but it does manifests in substance form like liquid, solid or gas. There is only one God, with three distinct persons/personalities. Its not rock science

OkCornel:
Frankly speaking, I’m tired of the circular argument and would rather discuss something else today.

You have yourself to see as who is behind the circular argument