BassReeves:
So its now about me, so you too believe that:
'When Bassreeves finishes to rant he will answer his questions'

You believe its pointless, advancing that people will burn and remain undying forever?
You believe its OK to conflate spirit of man with soul of man too?

I’m not even following sef, what’s your position on the bolded part?

BassReeves:
Smh, what are comedian you are. I have never insulted you or anyone on this thread but I have called a spade, a spade and not call a spade, a fork. You however have labelled me a evil, devilish etc

I did not say you were evil I said your doctrine note the difference

OkCornel:
No need to accuse me.

I am not accusing you, but I am informing you of the premeditated and calculated action you carried out.

OkCornel:
Frankly speaking, I’m tired of arguing

You ought to because argument is always about exchanging of one ignorance for another ignorance anyway. I'll rather exchange realities, factual and truth for same

OkCornel:
... and would discuss. The easiest thing to do is for me to pick sides and pour fuel inside fire. It’s a waste of time

You can pick sides without going personal, I have no problem with anyone picking sides, and doing so without going personal and trying to sling mud at another poster with the hope it will stick

OkCornel:
Especially after the one we’ve all had on Oneness and Trinity.

The knowledge transfer shared on this thread about Oneness and Trinity is for posterity sake and record sake

Nancy2020:
Wow OK this is the main difference, well it the will of God who are we to question God.

On that free will part I think every one should accept God won't he caught unaware of the decision you will make
Therefore he knows the decision you will end up making
For that is one reason of been God
All knowing

Bishopkingsley:
Answer

It devil teaching, when people not of God say man spirit is not immortal

My friend spirit don't die like animals
The bad people die in the lake of fire continues to burn

They don't die and turn to ash

Take your demonic doctrine and eat it by yourself

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OkCornel:
I’m not even following sef, what’s your position on the bolded part?

Bishopkingsley said that:
'... bad people die in the lake of fire continues to burn. They don't die and turn to ash'

My position is no other than what I have generously in more than one ways, already expressed on this thread and backed up with scriptures, which is that, people will be destroyed, meaning they will no longer exist after being burned up in the Lake of Fire, but Bishopkingsley says otherwise.

Do you stand in solidarity with Bishopkingsley on this or with the bible? State from your perspective what kind position you see please

Nancy2020:
Wow OK this is the main difference, well it the will of God who are we to question God.

Jeremiah 29:11
'For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD,
thoughts of peace and not of evil,
to give you a future and a hope.'

God can do no wrong. Every human being behaves according to his or her nature. God will not deny anyone exercising their gift of freewill because of their badness nature. Case in point: Adam and Eve, Cain, Lamech, Canaan, Nimrod, Esau, Pharaoh, Ahab, Abacha, Hitler etc

Bishopkingsley:
On that free will part I think every one should accept God won't he caught unaware of the decision you will make
Therefore he knows the decision you will end up making
For that is one reason of been God
All knowing

Exodus 7:1-4, 13
'1Then the LORD said to Moses,
“Now hear this: I make you as God to Pharaoh [to declare My will and purpose to him]; and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.
2You shall speak all that I command you, and your brother Aaron shall tell Pharaoh to let the children of Israel go out of his land.
3And I will make Pharaoh’s heart hard, and multiply My signs and My wonders (miracles) in the land of Egypt.
4But Pharaoh will not listen to you, and I shall lay My hand on Egypt and bring out My hosts [like a defensive army, tribe by tribe], My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great acts of judgment (the plagues).
13Still, Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said.'

Pharaoh was freely allowed without constraints to use his God given gift of freewill

BassReeves:
I am not accusing you, but I am informing you of the premeditated and calculated action you carried out.

Stop overthinking and overestimating what people are capable of.

Whether I’m in the picture or not, someone will still quarrel with you. Don’t put that on me. It’s their choice and yours to quarrel.

BassReeves:
Jeremiah 29:11
'For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD,
thoughts of peace and not of evil,
to give you a future and a hope.'

God can do no wrong. Every human being behaves according to his or her nature. God will not deny anyone exercising their gift of freewill because of their badness nature.

Exodus 7:1-4, 13
'1Then the LORD said to Moses,
“Now hear this: I make you as God to Pharaoh [to declare My will and purpose to him]; and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.
2You shall speak all that I command you, and your brother Aaron shall tell Pharaoh to let the children of Israel go out of his land.
3And I will make Pharaoh’s heart hard, and multiply My signs and My wonders (miracles) in the land of Egypt.
4But Pharaoh will not listen to you, and I shall lay My hand on Egypt and bring out My hosts [like a defensive army, tribe by tribe], My people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great acts of judgment (the plagues).
13Still, Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said.'

Pharaoh was freely allowed without constraints to use his God given gift of freewill

What are you trying to say
I believe you agree God knows the decision you make

Now it two sides some verse said God was the one who hardened the heart of Pharoah


So as to make his name known
Let not delve into it Sha

BassReeves:

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Bishopkingsley said that:
'... bad people die in the lake of fire continues to burn. They don't die and turn to ash'

My position is no other than what I have generously in more than one ways, already expressed on this thread and backed up with scriptures, which is that, people will be destroyed, meaning they will no longer exist after being burned up in the Lake of Fire, but Bishopkingsley says otherwise.

Do you stand in solidarity with Bishopkingsley on this or with the bible? State from your perspective what kind position you see please

Well here’s what I see;
Revelation 20 v 10 & 14-15

10. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

I have studied malachi
Yes it truly shows it will turn to ash

Jesus made it look like it forever burning though Jesus did not show it clearly

There is dispute in this area....

Luke 13:28 ►
Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
“There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

New Living Translation
“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out.

Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." HELL IS FOREVER! All who enter hell — abandon all hope! The horror of hell — for even one second is unbearable — but FOREVER!

Just like this man below proves it still uncertain

I should note that even if these passages did teach that people in hell are still alive and weeping and gnashing their teeth, that still does not prove eternal torment. It would only show that people suffer in hell for some period of time. Many conditionalists believe there will be a time of conscious punishment for a while before the final death sentence is carried out.

Now, I myself think it makes more sense within the broader conditionalist framework for there not to be any extended time of suffering and weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell after the judgment. Whatever conscious suffering and anguish and degrees of suffering between worse and less serious sinners happens at judgment will happen at judgment, not for an extended time after. I think it fits better that the fire (or whatever it represents) burns everyone and everything up quickly, as fire normally does.

But it is not a deal breaker. Conditionalism allows for a time of conscious suffering in hell prior to the final wages of sin, which is death, being paid in full.

What we ultimately have is a collection of passages where Jesus, speaking of the judgment day, says there will be anger and great sadness and distress. That is a somber reminder of why we need Christ, but it doesn’t tell us nearly as much about hell as you may have been told it does.

OkCornel:
Stop overthinking and overestimating what people are capable of.

You dont know what desperate people are capable of doing

OkCornel:
Whether I’m in the picture or not, someone will still quarrel with you. Don’t put that on me. It’s their choice and yours to quarrel.

I have no problem with posters quarrelling with me, inasmuch they do the quarrel fair and square, not be doing underhand tactics, like scooping up mud from scouring the gutter, slinging it and hoping it will stick. Not be poisoning other posters' minds with unsolicited information etc, All that would be emotionally immature things to do or carry out.

OkCornel:


Well here’s what I see;
Revelation 20 v 10 & 14-15

10. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever....

One place shows this another shows it will turn to ash

This topic is hot my brother

Wait sef, what is my concern with what will happen to people in the lake of fire?

Just don’t be there. Some kain argument sef. If it’s not going to help one get into the kingdom or improve one’s walk with God, I don’t see any point exerting my time and energy on such.

Bishopkingsley:


They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever....

One place shows this another shows it will turn to ash

This topic is hot my brother

Make we no dey that place sha

Anything wey wan happen to them na their wahala.

OkCornel:
Well here’s what I see;
Revelation 20 v 10 & 14-15

10. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

So means, you've only just now today, looked into this then.

Now do you want more time to research, study so to develop what your position will be. I dont want you sitting on the fence. I want an unambiguous response from you about what your stance is on the fate of those thrown into the Lake of Fire.. I am pleased seeing you emboldened verse 10, as there is where the banana peel is

OkCornel:


Make we no dey that place sha

Anything wey wan happen to them na their wahala.

lololololol

Fear fear man lol

BassReeves:
You dont know what desperate people are capable of doing

I have no problem with posters quarrelling with me, inasmuch they do the quarrel fair and square, not be doing underhand tactics, like scooping up mud from scouring the gutter, slinging it and hoping it will stick. Not be poisoning other posters' minds with unsolicited information etc, All that would be emotionally immature things to do or carry out.

How on earth did I poison Bishopkingsley’s mind? Am I the reason you had a quarrel with him?

BassReeves:
So means, you've only just now today, looked into this then.

Now do you want more time to research, study so to develop what your position will be. I dont want you sitting on the fence. I want an unambiguous response from you about what your stance is on the fate of those thrown into the Lake of Fire.. I am pleased seeing you emboldened verse 10, as there is where the banana peel is

Stop trying to put people in a box
If you have additional info make it known yes
I see some chapters prove it will turn to ash other say it forever

It definitely not one answer because both are in the scriptures

Bishopkingsley:


Revelation 20:10
King James Version
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Read your Bible my friend
If Satan is the beast how come Bible said the beast and false prophet
was cast in the lake of fire first before devil/Satan was cast into it

And the Bible explains the different names of Satan, Satan is devil is lucifer is serpent is dragon

Revelation 19:10 ......for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so d false prophet is d antichrist.... God d father has a spirit called the Holyspirit who is also d Father of Jesus bkos Mary was conceived of d Holyspirit....
hence the beast is another form of satan himself Just like d Holyspirit is another form of God the Father

BassReeves:
So means, you've only just now today, looked into this then.

Now do you want more time to research, study so to develop what your position will be. I dont want you sitting on the fence. I want an unambiguous response from you about what your stance is on the fate of those thrown into the Lake of Fire.. I am pleased seeing you emboldened verse 10, as there is where the banana peel is

Verse 10 is in reference to the beast and his prophets.

For the other wicked souls, they’ll be cast into the lake no doubt.

Whether they’ll burn forever like the beast and his prophets or for a period of time before they vanish doesn’t really split my hair tbh

As long as I ain’t gonna be there

Bishopkingsley:
lololololol

Fear fear man lol

macjireh:


Revelation 19:10 ......for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so d false prophet is d antichrist.... God d father has a spirit called the Holyspirit who is also d Father of Jesus bkos Mary was conceived of d Holyspirit....
hence the beast is another form of satan himself Just like d Holyspirit is another form of God the Father

Satan is anti-God.

The beast is anti-Christ.

And the false prophet is anti-Holy Spirit.

The Beast is the child of Satan he is not Satan he is Satan incarnation in human form

Note the difference

OkCornel:


Verse 10 is in reference to the beast and his prophets.

For the other wicked souls, they’ll be cast into the lake no doubt.

Whether they’ll burn forever like the beast and his prophets or for a period of time before they vanish doesn’t really split my hair tbh

As long as I ain’t gonna be there

lol

No one wants to be there brother

Bishopkingsley:
I have studied malachi
Yes it truly shows it will turn to ash

You have changed your tune after the initial gra-gra, huffing and puffing, trying to blow the whole house down and shouting from the rooftop that there is no bible verse that states human being turn into ashes

Bishopkingsley:
Jesus made it look like it forever burning though Jesus did not show it clearly

There is dispute in this area....

Luke 13:28 ►
Context Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
“There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

New Living Translation
“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out.

Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." HELL IS FOREVER! All who enter hell — abandon all hope! The horror of hell — for even one second is unbearable — but FOREVER!

Just like this man below proves it still uncertain

I should note that even if these passages did teach that people in hell are still alive and weeping and gnashing their teeth, that still does not prove eternal torment. It would only show that people suffer in hell for some period of time. Many conditionalists believe there will be a time of conscious punishment for a while before the final death sentence is carried out.

Now, I myself think it makes more sense within the broader conditionalist framework for there not to be any extended time of suffering and weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell after the judgment. Whatever conscious suffering and anguish and degrees of suffering between worse and less serious sinners happens at judgment will happen at judgment, not for an extended time after. I think it fits better that the fire (or whatever it represents) burns everyone and everything up quickly, as fire normally does.

But it is not a deal breaker. Conditionalism allows for a time of conscious suffering in hell prior to the final wages of sin, which is death, being paid in full.

What we ultimately have is a collection of passages where Jesus, speaking of the judgment day, says there will be anger and great sadness and distress. That is a somber reminder of why we need Christ, but it doesn’t tell us nearly as much about hell as you may have been told it does.

Now the bishop is short of original thinking, the bishop is unable to articulate in his own very words, his understanding of all this, so he has to resort to copy and paste. It is a betrayal of his lack of understanding.

Now, have you visited a refuse dump ever at all in your life Bishop? Do you know what Gehenna is? Do you know what the daily state of Gehenna is. If your answers are yes to all those questions, then you wouldnt be saying that 'Jesus made it look like it forever burning though Jesus did not show it clearly' sic

Everyone that knows anything about refuse dumps, knows that it is a place that is continually burning, even with smouldering smoke at times. The Israelites dump their rubbish at Gehenna to destroy them. The rubbish are destroyed, meaning no longer exists, but Gehenna still burns, waiting for the next set of rubbish to be emptied into it for destruction. Gehenna, by the way, is an incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem.

Our God is not into sadism, whereby He will allow human beings to be subjected to everlasting pains or torture. That is stuff that Greek mythology is made of, which is a place called Hades, where the dead bad people go. Hell, actually finds it roots in the same classic Greek mythology, Hades. The name, Hades interestingly and actually, is the name of the ancient Greek god of the underworld. This god's name (i.e. hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is exactly what Sheol is, and what is signifies or represents.

OkCornel:
How on earth did I poison Bishopkingsley’s mind?

Beloved, if you have a working conscience, I leave it with your conscience and in God's hands

OkCornel:
Am I the reason you had a quarrel with him

I never told you I have any quarrel with Bishop. I give as good as I get. I dont run or shy from any quarrel or fight

BassReeves:
You have changed your tune after the initial gra-gra, huffing and puffing, trying to blow the whole house down and shouting from the rooftop that there is no bible verse that states human being turn into ashes

Now the bishop is short of original thinking, the bishop is unable to articulate in his own very words, his understanding of all this, so he has to resort to copy and paste. It is a betrayal of his lack of understanding.

Now, have you visited a refuse dump ever at all in your life Bishop? Do you know what Gehenna is? Do you know what the daily state of Gehenna is. If your answers are yes to all those questions, then you wouldnt be saying that 'Jesus made it look like it forever burning though Jesus did not show it clearly' sic

Everyone that knows anything about refuse dumps, knows that it is a place that is continually burning, even with smouldering smoke at times. The Israelites dump their rubbish at Gehenna to destroy them. The rubbish are destroyed, meaning no longer exists, but Gehenna still burns, waiting for the next set of rubbish to be emptied into it for destruction. Gehenna, by the way, is an incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem.

Our God is not into sadism, whereby He will allow human beings to be subjected to everlasting pains or torture. That is stuff that Greek mythology is made of, which is a place called Hades, where the dead bad people go. Hell, actually finds it roots in the same classic Greek mythology, Hades. The name, Hades interestingly and actually, is the name of the ancient Greek god of the underworld. This god's name (i.e. hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is exactly what Sheol is, and what is signifies or represents.

you

Are still ranting
I told you my position
Yet continue to rant and wail call me all names
I told you where I stand at the end
You will state your view without
Mixing my words to seem like I changed which I did not

Sinners will burn forever
Take it to the bank

Bishopkingsley:
Stop trying to put people in a box

Have you just heard and learned that, and so you've decided to then use it here. Smh

Bishopkingsley:
[s]If you have additional info make it known yes[/s]

You have religiously shown that you aren't sophisticated enough to appreciate the fancy dessert. After all your initial grace-gra update the thread, I would rather you remain and stay wallowing in your ignorance

Bishopkingsley:
I see some chapters prove it will turn to ash other say it forever
It definitely not one answer because both are in the scriptures

JJC, Johnny Come Lately, welcome to the party

BassReeves:
Beloved, if you have a working conscience, I leave it with your conscience and in God's hands

I never told you I have any quarrel with Bishop. I give as good as I get. I dont run or shy from any quarrel or fight

Why call him beloved
You definitely want him on your side this time
And he won't take any one's side
Stop trying to play politics

BassReeves:
Have you just heard and learned that, and so you've decided to then use it here. Smh

You have religiously shown that you aren't sophisticated enough to appreciate the fancy dessert. After all your initial grace-gra update the thread, I would rather you remain and stay wallowing in your ignorance

JJC, Johnny Come Lately, welcome to the party

You must be dreaming if you are thinking am on your side

Drink gin and wake up to realty

Lol if am jjc you should tell us you have repented of gay advocate and admit it abomination

BassReeves:
Have you just heard and learned that, and so you've decided to then use it here. Smh

You have religiously shown that you aren't sophisticated enough to appreciate the fancy dessert. After all your initial grace-gra update the thread, I would rather you remain and stay wallowing in your ignorance

JJC, Johnny Come Lately, welcome to the party

I will diffuse your pride I know how highly you see your self but you ain't that wise
Am waiting for you to answer your question

Bishopkingsley:
Why call him beloved

Its paining you that I addressed him as beloved.
When I addressed you and others, beloved, as I usually do, you didnt hala, but its jealousy pinch that caused you to

Bishopkingsley:
[s]You definitely want him on your side this time
And he want take any one's side
Stop trying to play politics[/s]

Only an emotionally and psychologically immature person will post a daft comment like this.
The only side to be on is God's side

Bishopkingsley:
You must be dreaming if you are thinking am on your side

Drink gin and wake up to realty

I am way out of your league mehn and so you dont qualify to be on my side

Bishopkingsley:
I will diffuse your pride I know how highly you see your self but you ain't that wise
Am waiting for you to answer your question

I forgive your nonsense, I forgive you for thinking you've talked sense, so I am returning this otherwise good green box back to you because you typed gibberish on it and put your name Bishopkingsley at the top.