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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ebukacute(m): 8:34am On Aug 11, 2021
airmark:


Your prediction? You don't want Dayo to disturb us that Juju, except Magun, always fails abi? grin
Fvvck u airman
Fvvck dayo
Fvvck magun
Fvvvck juju..
And anybody recording a diss track for me should in case this prediction didn't come ,fvvvck you toooo
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 8:35am On Aug 11, 2021
Nezzjnr:

undecided undecided undecided

You would have just saved your strength instead of writing this Trash.

They should be sent to go and meet their creator.

You don't know anything and you're also unteachable. Instead of keeping quiet you ended up embarrassing yourself and education.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:36am On Aug 11, 2021
iamoyindamola:

After killing thousands of innocent people
Still not an answer

It's a fact they killed, what then should be done to them?

If you kill them, you must be ready for war with them, because frankly if any others wanted to leave you have giving them more moral to die for what they claim to believe and how many more lives will be lost.

If you use them to fight the remaining, with information and demoralize the others, present a mirage of offering them something better than death. Make them into a voice to reason with those who still belong.

Do you think death is the best sort of revenge, that is very shallow and in a way kind hearted.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 8:36am On Aug 11, 2021
Ideaball:


Pantami-esque......"most" of you Muslims are sympathetic to Talibans,Isis,isil,bokoharam,bandits, Hezbollah etc cos it is "holy war" or jihad to you guys...

You call releasing book haram members CONFLICT RESOLUTION? WTF!!!!
Read instead of shouting Pantami-esque
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Exonerate1(m): 8:37am On Aug 11, 2021
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 8:39am On Aug 11, 2021
Havertz10:
it's the same thing the Taliban does, i'm naturally empathetic, I can totally understand the reasoning behind their actions and their leaders actions self

your last paragraph is on the money about monitoring them but I don't think that it's that simple, you can't release a criminal into the streets and expect him to change

You have to find out what led to him committing those crimes and preventing that process from restarting, with employment rates in Nigeria, no matter how hard they try to reorientate these guys they will still fall back into that life, it provided for them, never play with a man's food, his judgment of right from wrong is skewed when his survival is on the line


Personally if I had my way, anybody that commits a crime should die, prisons are a flawed system, the numbers are there, it's an exponential growth system, it will never reduce crime or deter crime, people will forever try to game the system, only the certainty of death can deter humans,
I also think that the world is overpopulated, straight forward executions is the only way forward in my book, especially for clear cut criminal cases.


This is extremely naive. The US has officially more homicide incidents per capita than most other developed countries in the world. And they have the death penalty for 1st degree murder.

There is no evidence anywhere to suggest death is a deterrent to crime rates. You think people go and pick up arms and go to war but it never crosses their minds that death could meet them at anytime during it?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 8:40am On Aug 11, 2021
I know the modus operandi of some of you when you guys lack convincing argument to counter a valid argument you resort to name-calling and bigotry. Keep it coming it's was never unexpected but I won't shy away from presenting my opinion whenever I have something to say.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:40am On Aug 11, 2021
Emmynator:

Your first paragraph is very accurate. What happens when peace is the price you pay for justice?
At this stage of insecurity, FG needs more terrorists surrendering, so its pertinent to create incentives for surrender. While we can all agree that the decision will raise brows, we shouldn't look at it like a totally bad decision.

Look at it this way, our struggles with boko haram means we need more information in order to combat them properly, information defectors can provide. If the government gives full punishment to terrorists who surrender, we will have less of them surrendering and more terrorists to deal with, while having less inside information.
Justice demanded the sanctions placed on Germany after the first world War, but these sanctions played a key role in the start of the second world War.

I will only advise the government to monitor them properly and ensure that they give quality information as part of their plea deal, and perhaps send some of them back as undercover agents.
Now this is a response of someone who is actually knowledgeable
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:45am On Aug 11, 2021
iamoyindamola:

Do you know the leader of the bandits that kidnapped students to extort the government repented and now he's back in the bush.
Now we have more bandits who go around kidnapping students and extort the government then form repentance.
Then the cycle continue
Tomorrow I can also decide to start killing people then next tomorrow I repent and life goes on
I doubt emmynator said anything about free off punishment, he said not full punishment.

It's only a stup.id government that let's an ex terrorist roam free. He will return to his ways.

Even God punishes does who surrender but doesn't give them the full punishment for their sins after they repent. And if you go back, forget it, you're done.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 8:46am On Aug 11, 2021
Amoto94:
I know the modus operandi of some of you when you guys lack convincing argument to counter a valid argument you resort to name-calling and bigotry. Keep it coming it's was never unexpected but I won't shy away from presenting my opinion whenever I have something to say.

What valid argument do you even have?

Was the Nigerian government having a conflict with Boko Haram in the first place?

A group of people decided to force a belief in a particular region, kill people against it, repeatedly claimed parts of the country as their colonies, destroyed lives and properties, killed soldiers, displaced tens of thousands of lives, all for their own selfish reasons, have placed the country among the top countries in Terrorism, and to you, this is conflict?

I'm happy you know it's your opinion. My opinion is that you are a terrorism apologist. The only difference between you and those guys carrying cardboards is that you haven't killed.

This is my opinion smiley

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:51am On Aug 11, 2021
Havertz10:
it's the same thing the Taliban does, i'm naturally empathetic, I can totally understand the reasoning behind their actions and their leaders actions self

your last paragraph is on the money about monitoring them but I don't think that it's that simple, you can't release a criminal into the streets and expect him to change

You have to find out what led to him committing those crimes and preventing that process from restarting, with employment rates in Nigeria, no matter how hard they try to reorientate these guys they will still fall back into that life, it provided for them, never play with a man's food, his judgment of right from wrong is skewed when his survival is on the line


Personally if I had my way, anybody that commits a crime should die, prisons are a flawed system, the numbers are there, it's an exponential growth system, it will never reduce crime or deter crime, people will forever try to game the system, only the certainty of death can deter humans, I also think that the world is overpopulated, straight forward executions is the only way forward in my book, especially for clear cut criminal cases.
Lol straight forward execution is a simple way so as to save cost and not take money out of pockets of the greedy. Like you pointed out the prison system has it's faults but also it's uses if administered properly as both a working and revaluation, education and the like, institution. But in a country where free education is a fairy tale, taking the problem out from the root is but a dream. Death might work but it doesn't kind the thought or principle behind the act, it just replaces those dead with more violent ones.

The long term impact of choosing to kill those who surrender should be considered. Killing a few does it stop the whole or just give a premature ejaculation for a victory that was never won
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nezzjnr: 8:52am On Aug 11, 2021
Amoto94:

You don't know anything and you're also unteachable. Instead of keeping quiet you ended up embarrassing yourself and education.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war
You think I'm here to come and drag Intelligence with you?

Are you mad or something??

If you were affected by this BH crisis... You won't come here and be typing this nonsense.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nezzjnr: 8:52am On Aug 11, 2021
iamoyindamola:

And the 49 virgins will wait for them cheesy grin
That boy no get sense
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 8:52am On Aug 11, 2021
BlueAngel444:
then what is justice to you, concerning those who surrender? Should they be executed or placed under arrest and monitoring? Shouldn't others be encouraged to defect as well?!

They should be applauded for surrendering, given virgins so their fellow members can also be encouraged to surrender too while those whose villages has been ransacked,daughters raped and families killed watch on or be shot by police and military if they try to protest the decision

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:54am On Aug 11, 2021
Havertz10:
I said clear cut cases, besides our legal system is a joke, the premise of defending the guilty because there is a possibility that he can be innocent has made the legal profession a joke, lawyers have become liars, what happens when the innocent has bad lawyers and the guilty has good lawyers, it's a flawed system that we are using

China has started using Ai judges to decide cases, I think that is the way to go, it wouldn't be something harsh like statutory minimums but it will be flexible and very consequentialI wouldn't mind losing 50% of my wealth to the government for a crime, besides it's money that I would have spent on stupid things, government can repurpose that money into welfare progams, but death should always be a possibility particularly if found guilty

I have never been arrested, the probability of me being arrested in my lifetime is very low, if you get arrested even if you are innocent, you are doing something wrong, can be intangible things but the number of innocent people that end up in trouble is very low, less than a percent.
lol and an Ai cannot be hacked cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nezzjnr: 8:57am On Aug 11, 2021
I hate it when one is trying to Form Intelligence over cases linking to Terrorism.. You argue without sense, You drop long posts that are against the law to be understood.


Go and narrate all these rubbish to the wives of those slain soldiers, Families of those Humanitarian workers, The locals.

Amoto94 you are seriously mad

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:57am On Aug 11, 2021
Ideaball:


They should be applauded for surrendering, given virgins so their fellow members can also be encouraged to surrender too while those whose villages has been ransacked,daughters raped and families killed watch on or be shot by police and military if they try to protest the decision
Are you trying to crack an unfunny joke, or sound silly or answer the question.

If you have something sensible to contribute, do so, if not just stfu. there's no need for the sarcasm.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 8:57am On Aug 11, 2021
Emmynator:

Psychological studies shows that such system will just lead to implosion and its impossible in any democracy.

Secondly, it could lead to people going to greater lengths to hide their crimes. For example, i go to steal and i am caught by the shop owner, i will most likely kill the shop owner to avoid being killed. Rapists will most likely kill their victims to avoid being found out and killed (perhaps we can agree that being a rape victim is better than being a dead victim).

You are right about finding what led to him joining and blocking it being the best way to ensure rehabilitation.
about rape, most cases of rape can be traced to human error particularly on the victim's part, there are certain type of situations that can make rape possible, walking alone in an alley, going to a guy's house or even being alone at the office with a colleague, it's an unpopular opinion on the subject but if you look at all rape cases aggregately, it mostly begins with an error in judgment particularly on the part of the victim, I understand that it's a slippery slope to kill all criminals but it's the same thing they said about nuclear weapons but look at the world today, longest period of global peace since the dawn of civilization, besides I wouldn't suggest death for rape, 80% of the person's assets or more consequential punishments like being posted to unpopular Jobs that will keep you away from women for a very long period of time, they can even be registered as an offender and once there is any report of rape, the closet known offender will be among the list of prime suspects, there are so many options with better results that will deter and reduce incidents like rape, than our current system that is very soft on the rapist and doesn't do enough to make women aware of their poor judgement prior such situations
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 8:58am On Aug 11, 2021
Emmynator:

Your first paragraph is very accurate. What happens when peace is the price you pay for justice?
At this stage of insecurity, FG needs more terrorists surrendering, so its pertinent to create incentives for surrender. While we can all agree that the decision will raise brows, we shouldn't look at it like a totally bad decision.

Look at it this way, our struggles with boko haram means we need more information in order to combat them properly, information defectors can provide. If the government gives full punishment to terrorists who surrender, we will have less of them surrendering and more terrorists to deal with, while having less inside information.
Justice demanded the sanctions placed on Germany after the first world War, but these sanctions played a key role in the start of the second world War.

I will only advise the government to monitor them properly and ensure that they give quality information as part of their plea deal, and perhaps send some of them back as undercover agents.

Words from a thinking man. How can you defeat the enemy when you lack information of their operations and motivations?

The goal is to win not kill. And as sick, we start to explore all options of reaching the goal, including amnesty for those who will see the good, lay down arms and join the good side. Not all parts of conflict resolution is about the shooting.

This is not to say the shooting stops. But It is folly to not see that many of their fighters are coerced into the fighting. If there is a way out for these people, then that's one step towards the goal. Winning!

What we lack are radicalisation programs that ensure that people who cross the line to the good side, don't end up going back into the fighting.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 9:03am On Aug 11, 2021
izzou:


What valid argument do you even have?

Was the Nigerian government having a conflict with Boko Haram in the first place?

A group of people decided to force a belief in a particular region, kill people against it, repeatedly claimed parts of the country as their colonies, destroyed lives and properties, killed soldiers, displaced tens of thousands of lives, all for their own selfish reasons, have placed the country among the top countries in Terrorism, and to you, this is conflict?

I'm happy you know it's your opinion. My opinion is that you are a terrorism apologist. The only difference between you and those guys carrying cardboards is that you haven't killed.

This is my opinion smiley
What's definition of conflict? Conflict can either be started by different actors, the current insurgency by BH is one of such started by a non-state actor. If you still think that what we have on hand is not a conflict which rules of war aren't applicable to, then you're being dishonest.
If you like call me a terrorist sympathizer for saying what's true and applicable as recognized by international laws and convention, I honestly don't give a damn about your ad hominem attacks against my person.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 9:05am On Aug 11, 2021
Nezzjnr:
I hate it when one is trying to Form Intelligence over cases linking to Terrorism.. You argue without sense, You drop long posts that are against the law to be understood.


Go and narrate all these rubbish to the wives of those slain soldiers, Families of those Humanitarian workers, The locals.

Amoto94 you are seriously mad
Your emotional diatribes isn't shocking to me anymore because you're more unstable than a radioactive element with half-life of few seconds.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nezzjnr: 9:08am On Aug 11, 2021
Amoto94:

My emotional diatribes isn't shocking to me anymore because i'm more unstable than a radioactive element with half-life of few seconds.

Ohhhhhh okay den
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 9:10am On Aug 11, 2021
nateevs:



This is extremely naive. The US has officially more homicide incidents per capita than most other developed countries in the world. And they have the death penalty for 1st degree murder.

There is no evidence anywhere to suggest death is a deterrent to crime rates. You think people go and pick up arms and go to war but it never crosses their minds that death could meet them at anytime during it?
I have listened to many arguments that push this narrative but I know an agenda when I see one, American legal system is the flaw in that stat

Anybody that peeps behind the curtain can see that it's an argument pushed for religious purposes and also because it's favors the elite to have that caveat incase of the unexpected


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 9:11am On Aug 11, 2021
BlueAngel444:
lol and an Ai cannot be hacked cheesy
I don't think you understand what hacking means or how it can be done
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 9:15am On Aug 11, 2021
BlueAngel444:

Are you trying to crack an unfunny joke, or sound silly or answer the question.

If you have something sensible to contribute, do so, if not just stfu. there's no need for the sarcasm.

The sarcasm is meant for you and the other clown who think people bold enough to take down a fighter jet,who have rendered children orphans and women widows need to be pardoned and freed to the society
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 9:16am On Aug 11, 2021
Ideaball:


The sarcasm is meant for you and the other clown who think people bold enough to take down a fighter jet,who have rendered children orphans and women widows need to be pardoned and freed to the society
you lack understanding to actually think that was the point of the posts
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 9:17am On Aug 11, 2021
Havertz10:
I don't think you understand what hacking means or how it can be done
nope I am not a hacker, and I bet neither are you. Still if it's programmable it is hackable.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon(m): 9:18am On Aug 11, 2021
nateevs:
How about this for squad depth?


This would take us through all competitions I swear

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:20am On Aug 11, 2021
Amoto94:

Read instead of shouting Pantami-esque
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war
Bros you are a joke
All of a sudden there is law of war
Why can't we use Sharia law for them and see the outcome
What did MURIC or miyetti say to this grin grin
My opinion too

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 9:25am On Aug 11, 2021
iamoyindamola:

Bros you are a joke
All of a sudden there is law of war
Why can't we use Sharia law for them and see the outcome
What did MURIC or miyetti say to this grin grin
My opinion too
Even in Shari'a you don't kill people who have surrendered, I have been trying to avoid you but each time you appear childish with your snide remarks laced with ignorance.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 9:33am On Aug 11, 2021
Amoto94:

Even in Shari'a you don't kill people who have surrendered, I have been trying to avoid you but each time you appear childish with your snide remarks laced with ignorance.
Does Sharia law release them to go Scot free with no trials
Just because some hungry illiterate decided to repent doesn't mean they are remorseful or forced into terrorism

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ihebu4chelsea(m): 9:40am On Aug 11, 2021
Amoto94:

Even in Shari'a you don't kill people who have surrendered, I have been trying to avoid you but each time you appear childish with your snide remarks laced with ignorance.
you are using education as a tool to promote violence.... Be careful!!!!!

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