GardenOfGod:

Seems you don't understand simple English again

GardenOfGod:
[s]


Running away again like a timid Shameful puppy with tail between his legs or are you composing numerous unnecessary portion of the scriptures to try to cover up your failure.

Janosky:

The JWs Greek lexicon of Hebrews 1:5 proven his lack of honesty because Garden Bros reads the Greek lexicon of Hebrews 1:8 as if he is reading English.

GardenOfGod:

Bros Janosky..... The phrase for the Greek and English language translated together is known as Interlinear

Therefore what Greek means is what English interpret for us!

Don't try to play smart with me.

Just snapshot your New World Translation Greek Interlinear of Hebrews 1:8 let's see if JESUS IS (THE GOD) (Ho Theos) or not!

Simple.

Janosky:

The throne of the son is the God, that is the Greek meaning of the corresponding Hebrew equivalent:
"Thy throne given of God"
LYING Garden wants to change the Greek to suit his Trinitarian GIBBERISH.

GardenOfGod:
They have deserted the group and ran away as expected..... Only myself and Bishopkingsley are here
#challenge Janosky has absconded oooo

GardenOfGod:

What is wrong with Janosky?

Just screenshot it let's see.... The next question after your screenshot will send you packing.

GardenOfGod:

Seems you don't understand simple English again

GardenOfGod:
Screenshot Heb. 1:8 from your new world Greek Translation.............
#challenge #challenge #challenge

GardenOfGod:
[[s]quote author=Janosky post=105337021]

Greek lexicon is English language to LYING Garden.
"Thy throne given of God"
Hebrews 1:9 "the God your God Anointed you (the son) among your peers."

LYING Bishop, like LYING Garden like LYING sage like LYING Emusan.
LYING Garden says "the God" of Hebrews 1: 8 and the God of Hebrews 1: 9 are 2 different Gods.
All of them Trinitarian devotees and 3 Gods polytheists
[/quote[/s]]

Janosky:


Genesis 2:7
Did Jehovah say Adam has a ghost?
Did Adam have a good ghost?

Continue to DECEIVE yourself.

Janosky:


Genesis 2:7
Did Jehovah say Adam has a ghost?
Did Adam have a good ghost?

Continue to DECEIVE yourself.

GardenOfGod:
I can see that you have the spirit of stubbornness and of false accusation, and you are a typical example of the statement, "accuser of the brethren"

I can see that you have the spirit of stubbornness and of false accusation, and you are a typical example of the statement, "accuser of the brethren"

MaxInDHouse:

Mumu!
Who are those your brethren that someone is accusing?

Well for your information the old English "brethren" means "brothers" (a group of people having the same line of thought, doing the same business, or blood relations) the one and only organization that truly have what could be called "BROTHERS" "BRETHREN" are Jehovah's Witnesses, and for you to have opened a thread on social media (Nairaland) tag someone's username (MaxInDHouse) and group name (Jehovah's Witnesses) perfectly makes you an "ACCUSER OF BROTHERS"

So learn how to quote our book from us!

GardenOfGod:
I started debating with MaxInDHouse... I silenced him... He's resorted to abuses now.
Then DappaD came and I sent him to dungeon.....
You Janosky want to show that you know your NWT more than the translators.
I WANT YOU TO SEE HOW YOUR NEW WORLD TRANSLATORS RECOGNISED JESUS AS "THE GOD"

Janosky:

I have posted both Screenshots of Hebrews 1:5 & Hebrews 1:8
The JWs Greek lexicon of Hebrews 1:5 proven his lack of honesty because Garden Bros reads the Greek lexicon of Hebrews 1:8 as if he is reading English.
Greek lexicon is NOT English language, Stop DECEIVING yourself.
"To you the son throne your the God forever".


LYING Garden.
Greek lexicon is NOT English language.
You are DECEIVING yourself.

GardenOfGod:
I started debating with MaxInDHouse... I silenced him... He's resorted to abuses now.

Then DappaD came and I sent him to dungeon.....

You Janosky want to show that you know your NWT more than the translators.

I WANT YOU TO SEE HOW YOUR NEW WORLD TRANSLATORS RECOGNISED JESUS AS "THE GOD"

Janosky:

I have posted Screenshot of Hebrews 1:8
"To you the son throne your the God forever".

GardenOfGod:
>> THIRD ISSUE ARISING FROM VERSE 8 & 9.
Janosky

From the original Greek interlinear, a session of verse 8 reads...
"...The throne of you the God..."

Verse 9 reads...
"... You loved righteousness..."

[color=#990000]Question:
Who is the YOU in both verses?

MENTION HIS NAME please.

No stories!

Janosky:

The same manner you , Garden of LYING will lift from verse 5: "Son you are of me" and DUBIOUSLY claim verse 5 says angels are "Son you are of me."

Greek :the throne of you the God into the age"
English : Your throne the God forever"
LYING Garden done change am to his own tastes.


Rather than quote verse 8 in its entirety, "towards but the Son the throne of you the God into the age" that is Corresponding to: "Your throne given of God forever" (Psalms 45:6-7,Hebrew Masoretic Text ) the Garden of LYING picks a phrase for his DUBIOUS assertion.
The LYING Garden DUBIOUSLY refused to quote the whole of verse 9, because he hides something !!![/s]

WHY THE WATCHTOWER REJECTED THE TRANSLATION OF HEB. 1:8, WHICH ELEVATES JESUS AS GOD

Heb. 1:8 and Psalm 45:6, “God is thy throne.”
by Matt Slick | Dec 5, 2008 | Jehovah's Witnesses, World Religions

“But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'” The New World Translation.

In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son.
The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways: “God is your throne forever and ever . . .
and
“Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . “

Because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version; otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God, and that goes against Jehovah’s Witness theology. Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does. They choose the other way. Why? Two reasons.
First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says, “Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom” (All Bible quotes are from the NASB).
In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as “Your throne, O God . . . ” The RSV translates it as “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever,” “but this is a highly unlikely translation because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for “throne” in the construct state, something extremely unusual when a noun has a pronominal suffix, as this one does . . . The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain, straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . “

When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators. In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God; but, it is not uncommon for NT writers to take a verse in the OT that seemingly deals with one subject and apply it to another. They knew something we didn’t.

GardenOfGod:
While waiting for Janosky to respond to my questions, I want you all to go through this revelation with open mind.


The RSV translates it as “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever,”

GardenOfGod:

“but this is a highly unlikely translation because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for “throne” in the construct state, something extremely unusual when a noun has a pronominal suffix, as this one does . . . The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain, straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . “

GardenOfGod:

When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation

GardenOfGod:

though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators.

GardenOfGod:

In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God; but, it is not uncommon for NT writers to take a verse in the OT that seemingly deals with one subject and apply it to another. They knew something we didn’t.

LIARS - Matt Slick & Garden of LYING
We know the truth it's not hidden.

At anytime, the Jews NEVER claimed any king is God.
No place at all from Genesis to Revelation.

Janosky:

Yes.
The RSV translation is an accurate rendition of Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7
"Thy throne given of God"
Emphatic,no !!!
Which English Bible is older than the Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?
None at all !
This Bros,Garden of LYING and Matt Slick are DUBIOUS and very dishonest, their denial of the truth.
RSV translation and Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7 proven that.
Dishonest, DUBIOUS Matt Slick and Garden of LYING.
The same Hebrew grammar @ RSV translates it as “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever,” is the accurate rendition of Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7
"Thy throne given of God."
This is the same truth @ Revelation 3:21,
@ Luke 1:32, @ 1 Chronicles 29:23 ,
@1 Chroniclest 28:5,the God and Father owns the throne given to Jesus through the lineage of David.
* Matt Sick confesses "this is the best translation"
RSV translates it as “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever,” is the accurate rendition of Hebrew Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7
"Thy throne given of God." @ Psalms 45:6 & Hebrews 1:8.
Psalms 45:6 is the original, Hebrews 1:8 is the photocopy copy.
[/b]Case closed.
[b]LIARS - Matt Slick & Garden of LYING
We know the truth it's not hidden.
At anytime, the Jews NEVER claimed any king is God.
No place at all from Genesis to Revelation.

The Same Jews said @ Psalms 45:6,
"Thy throne given of God forever"
In other words, the God given the throne to the king, his sons (& descendants of king David). Luke 1:32, Rev 3:21, Psalms 45:6 & Hebrews 1:8.

GardenOfGod:
They have deserted the group and ran away as expected..... Only myself and Bishopkingsley are here
#challenge Janosky has absconded oooo

GardenOfGod:
[s][/s]
Do not jump to Psalms 45 yet.
I did not post it for you.....

Answer my first question before we talk about Psalms 45.

I cannot quote the entire Bible for a word that is evidently indicated in verses 8 and 9. We are trying to establish a fact and that fact is hidden in a personality shown as "YOU".
I will therefore not bother quoting other passages but only the one that will reveal the "YOU" only.

Janosky, just MENTION THE NAME OF THE PERSONALITY REFERRED TO IN THAT PASSAGE

#challenge
#challenge

>> THIRD ISSUE ARISING FROM VERSES 8 & 9.
Janosky

From the original Greek interlinear, a session of verse 8 reads...
"...The throne of you the God..."

Verse 9 reads...
"... You loved righteousness..."

Question:
Who is the YOU in both verses?

MENTION HIS NAME please.

No stories!

#challenge
#challenge
#challenge

Janosky:



In your claim, is it the same Greek lexicon word "You" in Hebrew1:8 & Hebrew 1:9?
@ Hebrews 1:8, "You the God" references the owner of the throne given to the Son.
You are proven to be dishonest, Garden of LYING.
Still, you know nutt nutt about Greek .

Answer these Questions:
Is Hebrew 1:8 a copy quote Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?
Is your English Bible older than Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?

GardenOfGod:

I don't understand how a simple issue is becoming a big one for Janosky.
What is the name of the personality referred to as "YOU" in verse 8?

Let's treat it one by one.

Janosky:



In your claim, is it the same Greek lexicon word "You" in Hebrew1:8 & Hebrew 1:9?
@ Hebrews 1:8, "You the God" references the owner of the throne given to the Son.
You are proven to be dishonest, Garden of LYING.
Still, you know nutt nutt about Greek .

Answer these 3 Questions:
According to your friend,Matt Slick, which is the best translation of Psalms 45:6-7
Is Hebrew 1:8 a copy quote Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?
Is your English Bible older than Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?

Janosky:


Answer these Questions:
Is Hebrew 1:8 a copy quote Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?
Is your English Bible older than Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7?

Janosky:

The God of Jesus.
Proven by Jesus @ Revelation 3:12,21.