On Kovacic, I don't know why he is always guilty of ball watching, it is becoming a pattern I have noticed in his game.
Sometimes he just stops, maybe its lack of concentration or something.

Jodera:
cos if Chelsea player had won that header, Jorginho will rightly be criticized here also for hiding behind bernadeschi.

Since when do players get criticised for standing goalside.of their opponent when ball is in the air. That's the natural place to stand.

Jorginho gets criticised for hiding in tough games when his teammates have the ball to feet and he refuses to open passing lanes, but will stand behind opponents as he is not confident in receiving the ball when players are around him. Nobody will criticise him for not making passing lane for a teammate engaged in an aerial duel.

raumdeuter:

H is an attacker, what is the job of an attacker?
Yet he had how many CL goals and assists for Chelsea in his time for Chelsea?

Was ucl the only competition he played for Chelsea. Can Neymar do anything in epl with his diving record.

swiz123:
Nobody has an agenda on Azpi hence no one will question why he didn't challenge the header.

To me, Silva could have done better. He should have drifted back slowly until Jorginho will close down on Bernadeschi instead of rushing out.

Finally, it's an ordinary mistake which I don't understand why it's been blown out of proportion

The question is; Will Jorginho close down?

izzou:
I don't even understand why this issue is being dragged.

Juve is not a small club. There is a very fair probability of them scoring. Besides, it was a mistake, which definitely happens.

The main problem with that match is our attack. It's as blunt as a broker 2B pencil.

DW documentary should better start a series on the massive fraud going on in the football transfer market.

As for Ziyech, I think we should just count our loss

With small form German clubs will start doing PR job on their players.

Omo this thread Shaa.

swiz123:
Nobody has an agenda on Azpi hence no one will question why he didn't challenge the header.

To me, Silva could have done better. He should have drifted back slowly until Jorginho will close down on Bernadeschi instead of rushing out.

Finally, it's an ordinary mistake which I don't understand why it's been blown out of proportion

You are saying Silva should have drifted back rather than engage, Raumdeuter is saying Silva should have engaged.

Which one of you is talking nonsense?

I think Silva was 70% correct in his execution. I don't hold him absolutely faultless, I said he has little fault. He made the right decision in not engaging but I think he could have judged his distance to Bernadeschi better. There is a way he could have placed himself to rule out the possibility of Bernadeschi going for a dribble, while also being close enough to give himself a chance of cutting out a pass. He was 7 yards from Berna at the start of that move. 5 yards distance would have achieved both.

donstan18:

The question is; Will Jorginho close down?

Hahahaha

Just watched this doc now.

Nigerians would do anything to cast Nigeria in this world.

One Nairaland thread sef show for the video. I wish I could find it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBbRGAa1J1c

Anybody who appreciates good football tactics should read this...
Tells you things you know and things you don't know about Liverpool and City this weekend...

Promise y'all won't be disappointed..

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12421097/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-jurgen-klopps-side-host-reigning-champions-at-anfield-live-on-sky-sports-this-sunday

donstan18:

The question is; Will Jorginho close down?

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Jorginho was almost on him before he passed the ball. Silva miscalculated the whole thing. He should have drifted some inches back. That would slow Bernadeschi down enough for Jorginho to either steal the ball or foul him.

Ibime:


You are saying Silva should have drifted back rather than engage, Raumdeuter is saying Silva should have engaged.

Which one of you is talking nonsense?

I think Silva was 70% correct in his execution. I don't hold him absolutely faultless, I said he has little fault. He made the right decision in not engaging but I think he could have judged his distance to Bernadeschi better. There is a way he could have placed himself to rule out the possibility of Bernadeschi going for a dribble, while also being close enough to give himself a chance of cutting out a pass. He was 7 yards from Berna at the start of that move. 5 yards distance would have achieved both.

You blamed Jorginho for that goal. I don't take anything you say seriously

Ibime:


Since when do players get criticised for standing goalside.of their opponent when ball is in the air. That's the natural place to stand.

Jorginho gets criticised for hiding in tough games when his teammates have the ball to feet and he refuses to open passing lanes, but will stand behind opponents as he is not confident in receiving the ball when players are around him. Nobody will criticise him for not making passing lane for a teammate engaged in an aerial duel.

My point is this, while Jorginho made a mistake, it's not critical the way you're painting it. He could have protected the zone better(being in control of his zone), a smart midfielder would have intercepted that ball before it gets to Bernardeschi(and not necessarily marking him as you opined) but even as such, situations like that happens.
The biggest culprit is kovacic who allowed chiesa run freely behind the backline of Chelsea and giving Bernardeschi option for a pass. If kovacic wasn't asleep, Chiesa wouldn't have being available the way he was, thus bernadeschi will be forced to improvise either by going into a blind alley or trying to beat Silva and everyone knows he's not a good dribbler. (Same situation happened during the 7th or 8th minute and Bernardeschi was confused making kovacic winning the ball from him easily)

In a nutshell, It was kovacic fault which was critical for juventus goal not Jorginho as you wanna make us to believe.

Emmynator:


All footballers are mercenaries, that's what they collect fat checks for, say something new.

oya na

You are Nigerian, no matter your location, tribe or age, the odds of you becoming a dollar billionaire in your lifetime is 1 in 500,000, there are only 15 black billionaires in the world, so your odds are exponentially greater

Even with an idea that is feasibly and sustainably possible the odds are not still in your favour, when we talk about institutional racism, you people underrate it's effects

Being a billionaire matters because you can effect change, leave a legacy and create a dynasty for your family's name, agree or disagree but every family competes to be the most successful even among relatives


You are obviously working for someone, earning a living wage, you would commit the most productive years of your life bearly creaking above the international poverty line, passing for a local middle or upper class citizen, all your productive years would be spent increasing and optimizing the profit margins of another man's business or if it's the government, you would be a small cog in a bureaucratic machine that breeds unfulfillment, resentment and tribalism, leaving you frustrated and miserable after a lifetime of service, particularly if you don't steal, with inconsistent pensions that would make you a nuisance to your family and society, if you didnt have foresight to plan ahead

Social pressure will come and you would marry an average babe that is bearly good enough for you but because she also has low expectations of herself, she would be loyal, she would have your kids and you might or might not eventually manage to save enough money to build a bungalow or mansion depending on how much growth opportunities you were afforded at work, your educational qualification, how much influence you can exert and the company's profile

You would be 60 years and look back at your life and wonder, what if? organ failures would begin then or earlier, depending on your habits and consumptions, the severity of their effects would be evident then

you would have sons or daughters, they would inherit the little you built and might or might not use that as a starting seed to grow enough to finally give your family's name the prominence you dream of, enough to build a dynasty but generational wealth transfer never works, trust funds and blind trust exist for a reason, given that you are Nigerian


In a few thousand years, you would be forgotten and no one would even remember that you ever existed

Fresh new information

swiz123:


You blamed Jorginho for that goal. I don't take anything you say seriously

I don't take anything you say seriously when you went from telling us Jorginho is lean, weak and all round disaster to becoming your MCM in 6 months.

Which of you and Raumdeuter should we believe?

Jodera:
My point is this, while Jorginho made a mistake, it's not critical the way you're painting it. He could have protected the zone better(being in control of his zone), a smart midfielder would have intercepted that ball before it gets to Bernardeschi(and not necessarily marking him as you opined) but even as such, situations like that happens.
The biggest culprit is kovacic who allowed chiesa run freely behind the backline of Chelsea and giving Bernardeschi option for a pass. If kovacic wasn't asleep, Chiesa wouldn't have being available the way he was, thus bernadeschi will be forced to improvise either by going into a blind alley or trying to beat Silva and everyone knows he's not a good dribbler. (Same situation happened during the 7th or 8th minute and Bernardeschi was confused making kovacic winning the ball from him easily)

In a nutshell, It was kovacic fault which was critical for juventus goal not Jorginho as you wanna make us to believe.

Nothing like critical or non-critical. Good DMs snuff out situations while escorts always contribute to them and start playing word games about who was more critical. Even in the days of Mikel, we always argue whether goals were his fault or that of the defenders. When good DMs come on the scene, no more arguments, showing what the problem always was in the first place.

Kovacic is the biggest culprit for that goal followed by Jorginho but a good DM in Jorginho position would not even allow a Kovacic-Chiesa situation to develop. No goal is the making of one man alone. Kovacic could also claim he fell asleep assuming Jorginho will deal with his zone effectively.

raumdeuter:


Which world cup final did Silva take his country to?

Show us any champions league lifted by Michael badluck ballack?

raumdeuter:


Did Christensen cause the goal scored? Who caused the goal scored? Show me any site that blamed Christensen or Jorgnho for the goal scored

Your horrible site rated Christensen above Thiago Silva and that is enough to show they don't know what they are doing.

izzou:
I don't even understand why this issue is being dragged.

Juve is not a small club. There is a very fair probability of them scoring. Besides, it was a mistake, which definitely happens.

The main problem with that match is our attack. It's as blunt as a broker 2B pencil.

DW documentary should better start a series on the massive fraud going on in the football transfer market.

As for Ziyech, I think we should just count our loss

Thank you......this is also my concern

Ibime:


I don't take anything you say seriously when you went from telling us Jorginho is lean, weak and all round disaster to becoming your MCM in 6 months.

Which of you and Raumdeuter should we believe?

6 months is enough time for a player to improve. What I think of Jorginho is not subjective. His recognitions gives credence to my recent assessment of him.

Unlike your assessment of Horjberg which is entirely subjective. An objective assessment would take into consideration the fact that TOT regressed immediately he was signed. Your MCM is dragging TOT backwards while Jorginho just helped Chelsea win the CL

Jorginho can never pull that Michael Carrick's pass in his life time



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7s7PsO_RIE

swiz123:


6 months is enough time for a player to improve.

What has he improved in?

We have been asking this question for weeks

Is he no longer lean, is he no longer weak? Is he dominating games?

Improve ko, improve ni. They park bus around a liability, you say the liability improved.

Putting icing on bread does not make it a cake.

Ibime:


Nothing like critical or non-critical. Good DMs snuff out situations while escorts always contribute to them and start playing word games about who was more critical. Even in the days of Mikel, we always argue whether goals were his fault or that of the defenders. When good DMs come on the scene, no more arguments, showing what the problem always was in the first place.

Kovacic is the biggest culprit for that goal followed by Jorginho but a good DM in Jorginho position would not even allow a Kovacic-Chiesa situation to develop. No goal is the making of one man alone. Kovacic could also claim he fell asleep assuming Jorginho will deal with his zone effectively.

Thank you, that bolded is exactly what I wanted to read from you.

No matter how you wanna look at it there are errors that can lead to goals and there are some that can not. Jorginho error have 98% chance of the ball not being in the back of the net, same can't be said of Kovacic

Jodera:
Thank you, that bolded is exactly what I wanted to read from you.

No matter how you wanna look at it there are errors that can lead to goals and there are some that can not. Jorginho error have 98% chance of the ball not being in the back of the net, same can't be said of Kovacic

Stop playing chicken and egg. Jogginghoe error led to a direct one-on-one with the last man and you are saying it's 98%. Is that how you judge risk of an opposition player running one-on-one with your last man? What if Jorginho doing his job ensures that whatever Kovacic does has 0% chance of leading to a goal.

Havertz10:
what was god's contribution to the actualization of those nostalgic memories?

raumdeuter:


4 non penalty CL goals in 7yrs

He was asking about God, not Hazard

popizaino:



That is the same part I bolded I didn't even see yours before I bolded that part.

You don't even need to have played football before you understand what Ibime explained there.

Lordfalcao, Dayo and the 'Leprous 5' have signed pact to always reason like dolts.

Ibime:


Nothing like critical or non-critical. Good DMs snuff out situations while escorts always contribute to them and start playing word games about who was more critical. Even in the days of Mikel, we always argue whether goals were his fault or that of the defenders. When good DMs come on the scene, no more arguments, showing what the problem always was in the first place.

Kovacic is the biggest culprit for that goal followed by Jorginho but a good DM in Jorginho position would not even allow a Kovacic-Chiesa situation to develop. No goal is the making of one man alone. Kovacic could also claim he fell asleep assuming Jorginho will deal with his zone effectively.

This is even tenable since Jorginho is up there for Balon d'or and everyone must have trusted him to do the needful in that situation. I don't know what Jorginho's excuse would be not to have smelt that danger.

swiz123:

Unlike your assessment of Horjberg which is entirely subjective. An objective assessment would take into consideration the fact that TOT regressed immediately he was signed.

Last time I checked, Spurs finished on 61 points the season before Hojberg was signed and finished on 62 points last season, while being voted their third best player behind Kane and Son while Jorginho has never been even nominated for awards won by common Kovacic and Mount.

donstan18:

The question is; Will Jorginho close down?

Close down ko Close up toothpaste ni.

Ibime:


Stop playing chicken and egg. Jogginghoe error led to a direct one-on-one with the last man and you are saying it's 98%. Is that how you judge risk of an opposition player running one-on-one with your last man? What if Jorginho doing his job ensures that whatever Kovacic does has 0% chance of leading to a goal.

Like I said earlier if Kovacic had done is work well, Bernadeschi would have Silva and Jorginho (who was already closing down on him) to outwit. Bernardeschi is not a good dribbler and the highest thing he would have done was to draw a foul finish. Chiesa giving him the sweet option of laying a pass was what caused that goal and he (chiesa) didn't just appear.
And that's not a last man Silva, even Rudiger was closing in to mop up in case of anything. You've already agreed that kovacic is the biggest culprit, why do you still wanna drag Jorginho into this again?
Your argument would have been valid if Jorginho and kovacic swapped places.