Hismasterpiece:


At least i'm making an effort and it counts

What effort? None of your posts has even evinced any kind of anguish over the matter instead you are try out arguments for god that are full of fallacies.

LordReed:

Anybody with these kind of belief is a religious nutjob.

Criminals and Law breakers will always complain about application and enforcement of Natural Law!

See now, IN THE END NO GOOD ATHEIST CAME TO CORRECT THEIR RECRUITER IN HIS POST SINCE YESTERDAY TILL 2:48AM TODAY! YET THEY SAY THEY ARE FAIR PEOPLE

LordReed:

Unlike your beliefs there is no eternal consequence to your persistence in continuing in your beliefs for the atheist so he has no obligation to save you except may be to save you from destroying others with your beliefs. You on the other hand believe wholeheartedly that we shall end up in hell, a place of torment for eternity but you sit in your house have your 3 square meals, watch TV, browse the Internet become bored and go to bed, sparing no thought for those you claim are going to suffer. Shouldn't you be spending every minute of everyday attempting to save people from this hell? Are you not more wicked according to your own criteria? If you truly believed in hell you'd be crying and wailing everyday begging people to be saved but you don't do that because you are very wicked (according to you).

by Dtruthspeaker: 3:12am On Oct 21

Can an Atheist come and speak The Truth against this well known Satanist?

Shall any one of you, so called atheis do this good thing and Truly go against this Liar to correct him that he Lies?
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AND NOT ONE CAME!

MaxInDHouse:


So it's the same thing both have evil thoughts but one will never carry it out no matter what happens while the other is looking for the best opportunity to carry out what he has in mind!

You said your members will never carry out evil thoughts in their heads. So what happened when some of your leaders where caught molesting minors under their care and even trying to shield them from prosecution?

Hismasterpiece:


Lol.. i'm not on the verge of abandoning my beliefs ooo.. i have seen enough to never be an atheist.. i may not be able to prove God but based on experiences of the supernatural i can confidently say that there are people among us that we cannot see.. i am a firm believer in the spiritual.. don't get it twisted

Then why bother about the attitude of some atheist towards you?

Doesn't it signify that you're starting to show some kind of sympathy towards what they are doing and want them to do it the right way?

It's what I can see.

triplechoice:


Then why bother about the attitude of some atheist towards you?

Doesn't it signify that you're starting to show some kind of sympathy towards what they are doing and want them to do it the right way?

It's what I can see.

I'm not bothered about their attitude

I just wanted to pull their legs that's all..

LordReed:


What effort? None of your posts has even evinced any kind of anguish over the matter instead you are try out arguments for god that are full of fallacies.

I'm sha doing more than most others are

triplechoice:

You said your members will never carry out evil thoughts in their heads. So what happened when some of your leaders where caught molesting minors under their care and even trying to shield them from prosecution?

Evil that's spelt out is KILLING people not sex drive my friend, you talk of pedophiles as if it's not happening in all human society.
Even a religion legalized infant marriage so can you go and stop them from marrying underage children?
We are talking about people killing people!
70% of people today were molested one time or another during their adolescence yet they're still alive today and doing fine in the society can you compare them to dead people?
So instead of mixing up too many things all at a time why not concentrate on the real evil, the cause of killing in the human society?

Hismasterpiece:


I'm sha doing more than most others are

By arguing how lack of belief is also belief? Bwahahahahaha!

MaxInDHouse:

Evil that's spelt out is KILLING people not sex drive my friend, you talk of pedophiles as if it's not happening in all human society.
Even a religion legalized infant marriage so can you go and stop them from marrying underage children?
We are talking about people killing people!
70% of people today were molested one time or another during their adolescence yet they're still alive today and doing fine in the society can you compare them to dead people?
So instead of mixing up too many things all at a time why not concentrate on the real evil, the cause of killing in the human society?

So the day that you broke bottle on your in law's head because they asked you to pray nko? You could have killed someone, no?

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So the day that you broke bottle on your in law's head because they asked you to pray nko? You could have killed someone, no?

You like joking but please don't always joke with matters having to do with spirituality it's a serious matter before God!

MaxInDHouse:

Evil that's spelt out is KILLING people not sex drive my friend, you talk of pedophiles as if it's not happening in all human society.
Even a religion legalized infant marriage so can you go and stop them from marrying underage children?
We are talking about people killing people!
70% of people today were molested one time or another during their adolescence yet they're still alive today and doing fine in the society can you compare them to dead people?
So instead of mixing up too many things all at a time why not concentrate on the real evil, the cause of killing in the human society?

You and I have not talked about any kind of evil before now

Our conversation is centered on you boasting that your members, unlike the rest of us (atheist / agnostics) are a special breed of people who will never manisfest any evil thoughts raging in their heads. That is it.

why trying to move it away from that?

So you don't see it as evil an elder in your organization molesting a minor under his care simply because the same people whom you regard as lost are also doing the same thing?

Honestly, this is disapointing coming from an elderly person like you who may even have a daughter under his care.

It would have been better you didn't reply at all. You're embarrassing your organization..

Next time reread what you typed before clicking the submit button.

Whether you agree or not. JW members are not special or have absolute control over their thoughts. It is indoctrination that makes you think so

triplechoice:


You and I have not talked about any kind of evil before now

Our conversation is centered on you boasting that your members, unlike the rest of us (atheist / agnostics) are a special breed of people who will never manisfest any evil thoughts raging in their heads. That is it.

why trying to move it away from that?

So you don't see it as evil an elder in your organization molesting a minor under his care simply because the same people whom you regard as lost are also doing the same thing?

Honestly, this is disapointing coming from an elderly person like you who may even have a daughter under his care.

It would have been better you didn't reply at all. You're embarrassing your organization..

Next time reread what you typed before clicking the submit button.

Whether you agree or not. JW members are not special or have absolute control over their thoughts. It is indoctrination that makes you think so

Do you think someone who molested a child under his/her care is the same as one who just want you dead?
I'm not saying molestation of minors is good but it is nothing compared to killing people for not being a certain race or political party.
So if you're mixing things together know now that pedophiles live in the human society and they hide while doing it which means their conscience is still active somehow but killers strongly believe you don't worth living!

MaxInDHouse:


Do you think someone who molested a child under his/her care is the same as one who just want you dead?
I'm not saying molestation of minors is good but it is nothing compared to killing people for not being a certain race or political party.
So if you're mixing things together know now that pedophiles live in the human society and they hide while doing it which means their conscience is still active somehow but killers strongly believe you don't worth living!

You're the one mixing things up. You're in denial and only interested in defending your organization no matter what.

An adult molesting a child repeatedly is evil. Don't get it twisted and downplay it because it affects some elders in your organization.

Well, atleast contrary to your initial position you have accepted without realizing it that your members can also manifest the evil thoughts in their heads. Maybe you don't even know the meaning of the word evil. Go and learn the meaning so you can argue better

Child molestation can be worst than killing someone. Some victims have been known to commit suicide and others finding it difficult to live a normal life.


https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/interim/nature-effects-child-sexual-abuse/effects-child-sexual-abuse

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I am afraid you're generalising. All atheist or non religious don't behave the same way. But I understand where you're coming from . It is obviously based on what you have experienced and observed here.

But the truth of the matter is that most are behaving that way because they are living their lives based on borrowed behavior. A fake life. That's how I like to describe it.

The foreign atheists whose behavior most of them are copying are from societies where nearly every single member is enlightened enough to know what is right from what is wrong. So it is expected that some, atheist especially, over there would mock you when you behave in a way they consider stupid or irrational .They expect you to know better than to believe in what they consider nonsense or fairy tales.

But on this side, there's no enough reason for anyone who is fortunate to be properly educated and better exposed to go about looking for less enlightened members of his society to insult and abuse simply because these other people insist at a particular point in their lives that they are more comfortable in believing in something rather than in nothing.

Well, I already mentioned that it is borrowed behavior.
If not, what on earth would make anyone who claims to be a former Christian or Muslim turn back to make mockery of those that still believes forgetting that not too long ago he or she was equally a "slowpoke" or religious nut job.

It is an aberration . It's like a former prostitute who is now rehabilitated going back to the hotel she once worked to insult and mock others who are yet to have the opportunity to escape that life. It is really unfair and makes no sense whatsoever.

The proper attitude of a former believer who is really honest about helping others see what he now considers the "light" should be that of concern and understanding and not to take delight in mocking others at every given opportunity even when it is not called for.

If the person who trolls you online grew up as an atheist without having participated in any religious group before, then you should understand the reason for his behavior and not take offence. The person has not had your experience. So it is only natural that the individual would want to understand why you choose to believe in a God .He simply cannot get it no matter how you try to explain

People will always act based on what they know and have experienced. They can't behave otherwise. There are certain things in life that can only be completely understood by a direct experience of it. Nothing else would do.

But when the troll has had that religious experience and now pretends not to, then it is self deception. Don't waste your time .You're dealing with a fake person. Move away .The person already knows the answer to the question he or she is asking you about what you believe. There's no sincerity and you would be stupid to engage such a person. The person is looking for the opportunity to make you look stupid for what you choose to believe at this time

So please don't regard every atheist or non religious as the same. Not every atheist on ths section behave as you have described .We all can't be the same. Everyone has their own method

However, you on your part should also learn to respect what others choose to believe or not to believe. That's the only way we can all make for a harmonious relationship amongs the different groups that exist here..

Final word. Please don't regard me as a representative of any group. All I have said is from me alone. Others can choose to see things differently and they have the right to see things their own way.





I started having doubts about Christianity as little boy by the time I was up to fifteen I stop going to church

triplechoice:

You're the one mixing things up. You're in denial and only interested in defending your organization no matter what. An adult molesting a child repeatedly is evil. Don't get it twisted and downplay it because it affects some elders in your organization. Well, atleast contrary to your initial position you have accepted without realizing it that your members can also manifest the evil thoughts in their heads. Maybe you don't even know the meaning of the word evil. Go and learn the meaning so you can argue better Child molestation can be worst than killing someone. Some victims have been known to commit suicide and others finding it difficult to live a normal life. https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/interim/nature-effects-child-sexual-abuse/effects-child-sexual-abuse

You're deceiving yourself!
There are people who committed suicide just because their boyfriend or girlfriend gilted them so does that equates jilting with murder?
Guy in this life we live with so much troubles everyday, the thief that comes to rob you is a million times better off than the assassin whose only intention is to take your life. You may continue to argue this but when you're faced with such a situation you'll pray that you are robbed, raped and molested a million times than for your life to be taken!

So stop deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:


You're deceiving yourself!
There are people who committed suicide just because their boyfriend or girlfriend gilted them so does that equates jilting with murder?
Guy in this life we live with so much troubles everyday, the thief that comes to rob you is a million times better off than the assassin whose only intention is to take your life. You may continue to argue this but when you're faced with such a situation you'll pray that you are robbed, raped and molested a million times than for your life to be taken!

So stop deceiving yourself!

You're the one deceiving yourself. You're just
battling to crawl out from the hole which you dug and fell into.

You claim your group members cannot commit any kind of evil whatsoever. Meaning they can do know wrong . That was how we started.

Why running away now that I brought up the issue of child molestation within your organization?

Is that not a manifestation of evil within your sect?

It's high time you accepted that no organization has perfect members. It is not possible and there's no individual that can do no wrong. If you knew this , then the shameless attempt to whitewash your organization in order to maintain its reputation would not be necessary.

Every right thinking person knows that nothing is perfect in this world

Jw members are not saints that can do no wrong. Stop the self deceit.

I hope when one of your daughters is caught in the same thing, you counsel her it is not evil since she wasn't killed. Abi ?

triplechoice:


You're the one deceiving yourself. You're just
battling to crawl out from the hole which you dug and fell into.

You claim your group members cannot commit any kind of evil whatsoever. Meaning they can do know wrong . That was how we started.

Why running away now that I brought up the issue of child molestation within your organization?

Is that not a manifestation of evil within your sect?

It's high time you accepted that no organization has perfect members. It is not possible and there's no individual that can do no wrong. If you knew this , then the shameless attempt to whitewash your organization in order to maintain its reputation would not be necessary.

Every right thinking person knows that nothing is perfect in this world

Jw members are not saints that can do no wrong. Stop the self deceit.

I hope when one of your daughters is caught in the same thing, you counsel her it is not evil since she wasn't killed. Abi ?

The real wrong that's killing the world today is racism and politics, JWs have cured their members from that. If it's about the other minor cases, mankind can still cope with it in peace!

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@macAB

Make sure you already cleared those doubts before abandoning the religion of your birth

It is very important you do that, if not when you leave just like that those doubts would continue to come up but this time in disguise and your mind then become a battle ground of conflicting thoughts which you may not be able to handle alone.

It is not easy thing to abandon the religion you were born into. Some persons can assume they are free from it but not being aware that at the subconscious level they still strongly tied it. And this can create many problems that may be difficult to manage except through professional help. .

You could find yourself struggling with the feeling from time to time that you're two persons in one. That's a split personality syndrome which is a form of mental illness and those close to you can sense all is not well with you.
The reason why this can happen is that there still exist some deeply embedded beliefs in your subconscious mind that's still running at the background .

Those who don't know what is happening at this time, would run back to the religion they have abandoned or sadly end it in suicide believing they are losing their minds.. I have friends who have gone back to the same religion they abandoned and condemned as not good. This happens all the time




So my friend be yourself . Don't try to imitate anyone. Know exactly what you're doing before making the decision to quit

And in case you don't know it's not easy living your life as a non religious person in this part of the world you will be hounded on all sides by people around you and this can impact on your mental health.

You need people around you to succeed but when you try to separate yourself prematurely , then it can be become difficult for you.

My advise is you just play along until you can stand alone without depending on anyone.

MaxInDHouse:


The real wrong that's killing the world today is racism and politics, JWs have cured their members from that. If it's about the other minor cases, mankind can still cope with it in peace!

You said Jw members can never manisfest any evil thoughts in their heads which makes them distinct from everyone else.


Why have you abandoned that?

If you think child molestation is not evil, then you can continue. Goodluck

triplechoice:

You said Jw members can never manisfest any evil thoughts in their heads which makes them distinct from everyone else.
Why have you abandoned that?
If you think child molestation is not evil, then you can continue. Goodluck

Child molestation is a crime for sure but it's nothing compared to racism and politics that's what i'm telling you. There are countries where pedophilia is legalized and they're still living till today but it's politics and racism that's terrorizing the world not pedophilia!

Hismasterpiece:
Dear atheists, you say there is no God. That is literally what atheist means: 'A Theos' which is the original greek word which means 'No God'.

You claim to be enlightened and more reasonable and logical and in your right mind unlike us religious people (not really religious people in general, more like Christians because that is the religion you people speak against the most in this section).

But i believe you guys are wicked. My reason being this. You see yourselves as being free and we religious as being enslaved. You see yourselves as being in your right mind and we religious as being out of our minds.

But in your wickedness you have left us all to our slavery and our insanity. Rather than reaching out to us in love and reasoning with us thoughtfully in order to bring us out of our deception and slavery you bash us, insult us, shame us, laugh at us in our wretched condition.

I don't believe you atheists really believe the things you claim to believe. If you really did, it would show. There is no aggressive effort being made by atheists to get the word out and deliver us poor theists out of our bondage. But the Christians who believe what they claim are aggressively spreading the word. Various radio stations and programs, various books and video and audio resources being used to spread the message but the same can't be said about atheists. How many atheist radio stations are there spreading the word about atheism and liberating people? How many Billy Grahams are there in atheism? How many Martin Luthers (both of them)? How many Oyedepos? How many apostle Pauls? How many mother Theresas? How many Andrew Wommacks? How many John Wesleys? How many D L Moodys? How many Kenneth Hagins?

If someone sees his neighbors house on fire and rather than rush and help them put out the fire and evacuate people from the house just walks on by and heads home without showing any concern at all, is that person a good person? If instead of helping them he begins to criticize them publicly and starts accusing them of being careless and stupid and idiotic and uneducated would that be fair? or kind? or good?

That is exactly what you atheists do. You people are selfish and want to enjoy your freedom alone while us religious folk suffer in chains. You show us no love or compassion. Rather than correct us lovingly and put us in the right path you shame us and try to make us look stupid for believing in what we believe in.

I don't believe this is fair treatment. The Christian believes the non-christian is going to hell, and in love he tells him and puts him in the right path. The atheist believes the theist is enslaved in his mind and out of his mind and rather than liberate him he attacks him. That is wickedness, pure wickedness.

Instead of making posts that logically and systematically explain atheism and why it is the right worldview, while logically refuting the claims of all religions step by step, you guys make posts mocking people who you claim to be in bondage rather than helping them lovingly.

You people are wicked.

Abraham Lincoln saw slaves and believed they shouldn't be slaves. And what did he do? shame them? mock them? no, he freed them. I believe that if you people really believe what you claim you should do the same.

Good evening.

Have you seen the effort Christians and Muslims put in when you try to get to reason how absurd the Bible is? They defy all truth and logic to justify the evils and misconceptions in the Bible.

Seriously check my post in the religion section and behold the length a fellow human being is going to defend Christianity .

As for Muslims, those ones are the worst, they even threaten to take your life.

What I do is to try to enlighten as the need arises. That way I do my own bit in getting people to stop putting themselves under the pressure of a white man's fairy tale.

alphaNomega:
Have you seen the effort Christians and Muslims put in when you try to get to reason how absurd the Bible is? They defy all truth and logic to justify the evils and misconceptions in the Bible.

Seriously check my post in the religion section and behold the length a fellow human being is going to defend Christianity .

As for Muslims, those ones are the worst, they even threaten to take your life.

What I do is to try to enlighten as the need arises. That way I do my own bit in getting people to stop putting themselves under the pressure of a white man's fairy tale.

Lol... atheism is also a white man's fairy tale

Hismasterpiece:


Lol... atheism is also a white man's fairy tale

It's better not to believe that snakes can talk. That's a better fairytale for me.

LordReed:


By arguing how lack of belief is also belief? Bwahahahahaha!

Lol.. you atheists try very hard to stand out. You don't want to appear like others. You say atheism is a 'lack of belief' but that is not the historical definition of atheism.

Wikipedia defines atheism as, 'Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities'

But it could also be restated as, ' Atheism, in the broadest sense, is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of deities'

Absence of belief is the same as belief.

Hismasterpiece:


Lol.. you atheists try very hard to stand out. You don't want to appear like others. You say atheism is a 'lack of belief' but that is not the historical definition of atheism.

Wikipedia defines atheism as, 'Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities'

But it could also be restated as, ' Atheism, in the broadest sense, is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of deities'

Absence of belief is the same as belief.

Just like when your TV is off you are also watching a DSTV channel right? LoL. The absence of a thing can not also be the thing, c'mon that should be simple enough to understand.

Hismasterpiece:


Lol... atheism is also a white man's fairy tale

Hmmm, I don't think so. Please explain

Hismasterpiece:


Lol.. you atheists try very hard to stand out. You don't want to appear like others. You say atheism is a 'lack of belief' but that is not the historical definition of atheism.

Wikipedia defines atheism as, 'Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities'

But it could also be restated as, ' Atheism, in the broadest sense, is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of deities'

Absence of belief is the same as belief.

According to you, we can say
absence of life in this camel is the same as life in this camel

Absence of wealth in Tokyo is the same as wealth in Tokyo

Absence of blue colour on my shirt is the same as blue colour on my shirt

are you seeing how crazy it sounds?

Hismasterpiece:


Lol... atheism is also a white man's fairy tale

You must be joking. Please tell me you are joking

alphaNomega:


You must be joking. Please tell me you are joking

I ain't!!

legionISproteus:


According to you, we can say
absence of life in this camel is the same as life in this camel

Absence of wealth in Tokyo is the same as wealth in Tokyo

Absence of blue colour on my shirt is the same as blue colour on my shirt

are you seeing how crazy it sounds?

The examples you gave and what i said have nothing in common

legionISproteus:


Hmmm, I don't think so. Please explain

Christianity has claims as does atheism if those of Christianity are said to be fairy tales what stops us from seeing atheism as the same?