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Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by mbaise1000: 4:09pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
[/color][color=#006600] NNTR:No bros, water baptism is abstract without holy ghost baptism and holy ghost baptism is abstract without water baptism, remember JESUS said ""you must be born of water and of the spirit"", there is a reason HE mentioned both, |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by phemmyfour: 4:11pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli:You should know the difference between literary interpretation and parables |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by YourFavEvangeli: 4:12pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Loooolz ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() On a serious note, why will you want to reign over your fellow christians? Why do you think you're a better christian than another christian? Jesus said the greatest will be the least and must wash the feet of others so what kind of reigning are you talking about? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by YourFavEvangeli: 4:13pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
phemmyfour: But there's no parable in this chapter, this is an express explanation of the power of God. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by phemmyfour: 4:15pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli:You don't get it Are you dead now? No Were you buried with Jesus? No So your literal explanation is faulty The scripture is full of parables and metaphors, you have to be careful interpreting them |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by FlatEarthGuy20(m): 4:18pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
Sad the whole world is decieved. op jesus is actually d sun-god.... the one the Bible warned us about. The Bible was edited by a Freemason. They changed names. Bible is black man history YourFavEvangeli: |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by Vivov21e: 4:55pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
Everlastingson:stfu |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 5:20pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli:John 1:33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ Matthew 3:11 “As for me, I baptize you with water because of [your] repentance [that is, because you are willing to change your inner self—your old way of thinking, regret your sin and live a changed life], but He (the Messiah) who is coming after me is mightier [more powerful, more noble] than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to remove [even as His slave]; He will baptize you [who truly repent] with the Holy Spirit and [you who remain unrepentant] with fire (judgment). Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized and empowered and united with the Holy Spirit, not long from now.” What did Apostle Peter call the falling upon of the Holy Spirit, when he said he remembered John 1:33 above? YourFavEvangeli, if to be honest, this is just like legalistically and pharisaically insisting on circumcision of the loins. If you really are well versed and immersed in the word of God and be a good student of 2 Timothy 2:15, you would have noticed that water is not mentioned in Acts 2:38, just as water is not used in you assumed to be versed and immersed in the word of God Lastly, show me anywhere in the bible of John the Baptist saying, He who comes after me, requires you to be baptised in water Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 5:20pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
mbaise1000:John 3:3-7 3Jesus answered him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God.” 4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh [the physical is merely physical], and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].’ Brah, watch and raptly to this. You can see, experience and feel the power of America, but for you to enter into America, you must meet certain criteria, as no one ordinarily enters America anyhow or just like that. Going back to the Nicodemus' clandestine private meeting with Jesus above. At John 3:2, yes, Nicodemus recognised, admitted and confessed that the demonstrated power and move done by Jesus were all of God, but at John 3:3, Jesus informed Nicodemus that, its only a person born from on high or above, which also is known as being 'born again' that is capable of seeing that the demonstrated power and move done by Jesus are all of God, then to buttress the point, Jesus after seeing that Nicodemus, looked puzzled about being told of 'born again' then at John 3:5, went further to explain that its combination criteria to enter the kingdom of God. The decider is born of water (i.e. the amniotic fluid) and born of God (i.e. the Spirit) We all get born of the Spirit, from the moment will believe. The instalment baptism of the Holy Spirit and the manifestation of the Spirit soon after follow in tandem cc Ref: The 'born again' question shot at YourFavEvangeli, by Everlastingson & Kernniejay but especially by chatinent. Atheists etc for obvious reasons, arent 'born again' Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:55pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli: What type of REIGNING did you know? Or What did your pastors say about REIGNING? And What did Jesus say about REIGNING? ![]() |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by kernniejay(m): 6:44pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
NNTR:Hello sir, I 'm not an atheist. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus as the Son of God and I believe in His Word. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by chatinent: 6:55pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
NNTR: I am not an atheist...and Jesus is not God. Have a nice century. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by joxxy01(m): 6:56pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli:But Christ instructions was for us to be baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit . That does not mean baptising in the name of Jesus is not correct. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 7:22pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
chatinent:I am sure you'll struggle to provide proof of being told you are an atheist chatinent:Titus 1:16 They profess to know God [to recognize and be acquainted with Him], but by their actions they deny and disown Him. They are detestable and disobedient and worthless for good work of any kind. Romans 1:28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, He abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Good litmus test for who is or not born again, is to argue with the bible that Jesus is not God, loll. chatinent:The new year we've just started is 2022. I have consistently been having nice years since when the current century began 21 years ago on January 1, 2001 Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 7:22pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
kernniejay:I am sure you'll struggle to provide proof of being told you are an atheist kernniejay:You are wise and definitely born again then, loll. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 7:26pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli: joxxy01:Jesus Christ did not give any instructions for anyone to be baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. What you are quoting is a latter addition to Matthew 28:19 Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:29pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
John baptized the Jews (including Jesus) in the name of JEHOVAH (the God of Abraham) WHY? Because during the first century most Jews have lost faith in their God as two Jews (Theudas and Judas) both claimed they're the Christ emerged one after another and died off without any trace of their existence. Act 5:36-37 So it's like all their hope regarding what the prophets told them about a coming saviour is fake. That's exactly when John the baptist appeared preaching in the wilderness saying "repent for the kingdom of God is at hand" {Matthew 3:2} most Jews as they're confused went to him and because he is also talking about their God they were willing to obey whatever he says, then he began baptizing them in preparation for the coming of the Christ! The Jewish religious leaders sent messengers to ask him if he's the Christ and to their shocking surprise this one said "NO" so they asked him to identify himself since what he's doing (baptism) is strange to them {John 1:19-22} John made it clear to them that he is the one sent to prepare the way for the Christ! John 1:23-28 Then Jesus came to the Jordan to get baptized and at once God's Holy Spirit touched John so he recognized Jesus instantly he refused to baptize Jesus but Jesus urged him to go ahead and do the needful! Matthew 3:13-17 Jesus later told the Jews that both Theudas and Judas were fraudsters {John 10:8} and he proved to be the Christ to the extent that a prominent member of the Jewish High Court (Nicodemus) confirmed it. John 3:2 But the Jewish religious leaders of the first century doesn't want Jesus because he undermines their position so they conspired to get him killed. John 11:45-53 After his death and resurrection Jesus commanded his disciples to go baptizing new converts in the name of the Father: the God of Abraham by teaching them all they need to know about this God. Son: himself and all the things he did and taught. Holy Spirit: the active force of God that operates in those that believe so that they're able to perform according to expectation. Matthew 28:19-20 The Jews already knew so much about their own God and His active force through all the mighty works this God did in ancient times that are written in their scriptures. But then they need to put faith in the ransom sacrifice that Jesus just performed in behalf of mankind. So @ Pentecost Peter told the Jews who felt remorseful and bitter due to all what their leaders did to the real Christ {Act 2:37} Peter then urged them to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ! Act 2:38 WHY did Peter said this? Well because that's the only name missing in their salvation! ![]() |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by joxxy01(m): 7:31pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
NNTR:i don't understand what u mean by latter addition sir.. Expantiate pls |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 7:38pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
joxxy01:Luke 24:47 46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. Jesus Christ never gave any instructions for anyone to be baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you have such instruction, then share verse(s) with an accompanying witness verse(s) Any thought that baptising in the name of Jesus, has to do with water baptism, is 110 percent not correct. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by TruthinAction: 7:38pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
chatinent: The answer is in Romans 10:9-10 which reads; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9-10) it takes two steps. First believe in your heart that Jesus died for you and that God raised him on the third day to justify you. The second step is to say it with your mouth. So, if you want to be born again, just say this prayer and mean it with your heart; Dear Lord Jesus, I believe you died for me and I believe that God raised you from the dead to justify me. I hereby confess you as my Lord and Personal Saviour from this day hence. Thank you for washing my sins away. I believe I am saved according to your word. Heavenly Father, I am your son from this day henceforth in Jesus name. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by joxxy01(m): 7:44pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
NNTR:i still don't understand this luke u just quoted, what i am asking you to do is to explain the mathew 28v19 for me |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 7:44pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
TruthinAction:John 3:3-7 3Jesus answered him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God.” 4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh [the physical is merely physical], and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].’ Looking at John 3:3, was Nicodemus considered by Jesus, to be or not be born again Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 7:46pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
joxxy01:Matthew 28:19 should mirror that Luke verse Now quote here what Matthew 28:19 states then Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by TruthinAction: 7:47pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli: Water baptism has nothing to do with our salvation. And you are only qualified to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit after you are saved. When Jesus said unless one is born of water and of the spirit, he cannot be born again, he was not talking about water baptism. The water there represents the word of God. As you hear the gospel, the Holy Spirit convicts the sinner and he is responds by accepting Jesus as his Lord and Saviour. According to Peter, he wrote; Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23 ) And Paul likens the word to water in Ephersians 5:26; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD, (Ephesians 5:26 KJV) 1 Like |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 8:07pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
TruthinAction:You performed very well up to this juncture TruthinAction:John 3:3-7 3Jesus answered him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God.” 4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh [the physical is merely physical], and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].’ You pieced together disjointed fragments of information that are in disharmony and fell victim of committing a wanton and unnecessary false equivalence Look at John 3:6 closely. Watch 'born of the flesh is flesh' and 'born of the Spirit is spirit' there is no way you'll equate -ve and +ve, interpreted to be +ve and +ve, by using by the word of God or washing of water by the Word John 3:6 is a -ve and +ve, so has to be interpreted as so, meaning -ve (i.e. the water is the amniotic fluid, which when the 'water' breaks birth happens) and +ve (i.e. the Spirit, when birthed to become spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified in the mind, thoughts etc) You have the carnality and spirituality correctly represented that way, and not with the false equivalence you put forward by proof-texting with 1 Peter 1:23 and Ephesians 5:26 Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by jaxxy(m): 8:25pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli: The water doesn’t mean water literally bt the word and the spirit. Baptism to the best of my understanding isn’t mandatory to go to heaven. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by YourFavEvangeli: 8:29pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
jaxxy: So what does the water represent |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by Saig: 8:33pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
chatinent:By getting baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and the you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:7-38; 22:16 |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by YourFavEvangeli: 8:35pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
TruthinAction: If the baptism is not significant, why did Jesus instruct His disciples to preach and baptise those who believe? |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by YourFavEvangeli: 8:37pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
joxxy01: The name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is Jesus. Show me one apostle who baptised people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by NNTR: 8:41pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
YourFavEvangeli:2 Corinthians 13:1b ... (and as the Scriptures say, “The facts of every case must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses”). Where and/or when did Jesus explicitly instruct His disciples to preach and baptise with water those who believe? Provide your reference verse accompanied with at least a witness verse please. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Why You Must Be Baptised In The Name Of Jesus by YourFavEvangeli: 8:43pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Reigning is living a life of royalty and power, not having a single worry, everything at your finger tips. You don't need pople to bow down to you to show that you are reigning You still didn't answer my question about the kind of reigning you are thinking about ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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