joxxy01:
so matt 28: 19 is not the right reading right??

NNTR:
You're correct, as I did share and referred to a verse as to how it ought to read, earlier didnt I, but anyway, now I'll out of interest, ask you, what name is mentioned of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit then?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

joxxy01:
No name Sir..

NNTR:
Thank you very much for your honest, sincere and candid answer Sir

Kindly, for us, state what Acts 24:47 then reads, please Sir


_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
What you and YourFavEvangeli dont realise is that 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' is a latter addition to the original Matthew 28:19, inserted to replace the short 'in His name' to the long 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' version

The correct reading of Matthew 28:19 originally appeared as seen witnessed in and/or by Luke 24:47

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

joxxy01:
the verses of act 24:47 is not upto (47) verses

NNTR:


Why did the apostles baptise with water is because of one word; amnesia

Apostle Peter, like I keep saying and keep prefixing the word Apostle before his name, in Acts 11:15-16, forgot what Jesus said, in Acts 1:5 and so changed what is meant to be an exclusive Holy Spirit baptism to an operating under the law water baptism ritual.

Note that, its not in the doctrine of our Lord, Jesus Christ, our Saviour, God Incarnate, but it is the doctrine of the apostles (i.e. teaching as taught by the Apostle) they were continuing in doing

YourFavEvangeli, recapitulating again, 'born of water' is referring to the amniotic fluid, when Jesus used it and mentioned the phrase in John 3:5, when He answered Nicodemus, by saying:
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

NNTR:

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I meant to type Luke 24:47, just as I earlier have typed, as you can see above.

Kindly, for us, state what Luke 24:47 then reads, please Sir.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:


What you and YourFavEvangeli dont realise is that 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' is a latter addition to the original Matthew 28:19, inserted to replace the short 'in His name' to the long 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' version

The correct reading of Matthew 28:19 originally appeared as seen witnessed in and/or by Luke 24:47

NNTR:

Acts 11:15-16
15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as He had fallen upon us at the beginning.
16Then I remembered the word of the Lord, as He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Of course, there is baptism by water (i.e. operating under the law) and baptism by the Holy Ghost, just as there is physical circumcision (i.e. operating under the law) and spiritual circumcision. I know which ones are better, loll.

YourFavEvangeli:
John 4:1-2 (KJV) When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

YourFavEvangeli:
If the baptism isnt the same water baptism, will the bible use John the baptist as a measure of comparism.

YourFavEvangeli:
While Jesus was on earth, the disciples of Jesus under the instructions of Jesus baptised even more people than John the Baptist with the same water baptism in the name of Jesus.

YourFavEvangeli:
Jesus baptises with the Holy Ghost,

YourFavEvangeli:
... we baptise with water by immersion.

YourFavEvangeli:
The apostles didn't deviate after Jesus ascended or suffer from amnesia, they simply continued what they have been doing which is water baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus

YourFavEvangeli:
Peace!

joxxy01:
Luke:24.47
and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

YourFavEvangeli:
Read through my answers, the name of the father, son and the holy spirit is Jesus.

YourFavEvangeli:
You quoted Acts ch 11 vs 16 as a proof that Apostle Peter and the other apostles suffered from amnesia. But this is a false statement.
Peter while recounting what happened at the house of Cornelius told the elders in Jerusalem that after the gentiles (Cornelius and his family) received the Holy Ghost without baptism, He (Apostle Peter) remembered the word of God that we (anyone that believes) will be baptised with the Holy Ghost.

joxxy01 help me ask NNTR ...
If truly Apostle Peter was baptising with water due to Amnesia, tell me why Apostle Peter still baptised with water again in that same house of Cornelius after remembering the word of the Lord...

See Acts ch 10 vs 44-48 (Acts ch 10 is where the action took place, Acts ch 11 was Peter narrating to the other Apostles)

Acts 10:44-48 (KJV) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (This is where Apostle Peter remembered the word of the Lord about how the gentiles will be baptised with the Holy Ghost)
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

You can see clearly here, Jesus baptises with the Holy Ghost, we baptise with water. Jesus baptised them even before Apostle Peter deemed them fit for water baptism. This further shows that even if you have the Holy Spirit, you should still be baptised by water immersion in the name of Jesus. That is how to be born of the water and the Spirit.

Be careful whose doctrine u listen to... see how carefully people twist and cut off the word of God or even quote chapters that dont exist just to create a false narrative or doctrine.

Be wise...

NNTR:

Apostle Paul, upon the meeting with Jesus in a vision, [/b]as you can see in 1 Corinthians 1:17 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, where he summarised the Gospel, has no mention of water baptism as a prerequisite for anything.

NNTR:


1. If according to the doctored Matthew 28:19

NNTR:


If it were something be continued, then He would have set the precedent, but since it soon was going to be cancelled He didnt bother directly baptising anyone with water, especially not when He is the One taking away the sin of the world

YourFavEvangeli:
Be kind enough to show us in the bible where Apostle Paul had this meeting with Jesus where baptism wasn't mentioned as a prerequisitr for anything.

YourFavEvangeli:
The Apostle Paul himself you are mis-quoting was baptised with water by Ananias after encountering Jesus on the way to Damascus.

Acts 9:17-18 (KJV) And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

YourFavEvangeli:
Jesus Christ! This is blasphemy.

YourFavEvangeli:
You call Matthew 28:19 doctored?

YourFavEvangeli:
You mean the word of God is doctored and you are wiser than God who included it in His scriptures?

You are condemming the Holy Scriptures and masqurading as a pastor. You are a false teacher.

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You are calling the scripture false and by therefore calling God a liar.
Nk wonder you have been attacking me with twisted quotes and insults to derail this thread but you have been exposed.
joxxy01 and other readers, listen to NNTR at your own detriment. Dont say I didnt warn you.

Every of my posts have been purely shown 100% by several biblical sources. He cant do the same and now even call the scriptures doctored.

God have mercy

YourFavEvangeli:
Settle this case once and for all, show us
1. Where Jesus ordered his disciples to not baptise anyone with water from the scripture. Dont quote plenty twisted ideologies. Show us one place in the bible.

YourFavEvangeli:


Wise man that is sharp in understanding, kindly explain John 4 vs 1-2.

John 4:1-2 (KJV) When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Wise man

The apostles began to baptise people from the time of Jesus himself. Jesus could have stopped them but he did not because its right.

Jesus didnt baptise anyone with water because His job is to baptise with the Holy Ghost but under the instruction of Jesus, His disciples baptised more people than John the baptist

NNTR:
Acts 1:4-5
4And while they were gathered together, He commanded them:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss.
5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26
But the Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf],
He will teach you all things. And He will help you remember everything that I have told you.

Acts 11:15-16
15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as He had fallen upon us at the beginning.
16Then I remembered the word of the Lord, as He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

Of course, there is baptism by water (i.e. operating under the law) and baptism by the Holy Ghost, just as there is physical circumcision (i.e. operating under the law) and spiritual circumcision. I know which ones are better, loll.

Matthew 2 vs 38 is totally and theologically wrong because the cancellation of sin, is not done in the name of Jesus, but rather remission of sin happened on the basis of the shedding of Jesus' blood.

Now watch this, if Jesus clearly stated Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 1:5 seen up there, on whose authority is Apostle Peter gone to say water baptism in Acts 2:38 gives remission of sins, when I John 1:7 clearly says 'and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin [by erasing the stain of sin, keeping us cleansed from sin in all its forms and manifestations].' and Hebrews 9:22b supports that truth by saying 'without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [neither release from sin and its guilt, nor cancellation of the merited punishment].'

Equally why would Philip, the Apostle, also slip on this theological banana skin of operating under the law, by carrying out water baptism for the Ethiopian eunuch? It simply is because of Acts 2:42, that is they continually and faithfully devoting themselves to the doctrine and instruction of the apostles, and not of the instruction of Jesus. They were operating under the law. Smh.

Jesus, in Acts 1:5, said Holy Spirit baptism but Apostle Peter, in Acts 2:38, drifts away from Jesus expressed instruction, about Holy Spirit baptism, to go prescribe to water baptism (i.e. Acts 10:47–48)

Apostle Philip too, succumbed to pressure to facilitate water baptism against Jesus' expressed order of Holy Spirit baptism. They were operating under the law. Smh.

It wasnt until Acts 11:16, that Apostle Peter came to himself, which is, at the point when John 14:26 got fulfilled. It's at Acts 11:16, that Apostle Peter remembered that, its actually Holy Spirit baptism what Jesus taught them and not water baptism (i.e. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’)

Apostle Paul, because of the at Acts 19:4-5, made a u-turn departure from operating under the law, with at I Corinthians 1:14, literally saying:
'I thank God I didnt water baptized any of you'

Ephesians 4:5
There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

TruthinAction, the combination of your disgraceful attempt at butchering John 3:6 and YourFavEvangeli prooftexting verses of the bible against one and another under a self deception of having some sort of understanding that is false just shows you both belong to some bizarre cult

One baptism. The Holy Spirit baptism. Not, no poxy, water baptism, but just one baptism, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We've done away with operating under the law, so go argue with some one that has ignorance to exchange with your on display bagful of ignorances. KMFT.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

TruthinAction:
Ephesians 4:5 says there is one baptism. But the church has duplicated it. John baptized with water apologetically. He knew that a perfect way was in view hence he said that Jesus will do his with the Holy Spirit.

TruthinAction:


Ephesians 4:5 says there is one baptism. But the church has duplicated it. John baptized with water apologetically. He knew that a perfect way was in view hence he said that Jesus will do his with the Holy Spirit.

NNTR:
You're sounding just like Caiaphas. Typical behaviour of a Far-I-See that you are

Show us witness bible verses that equally in verbatim too says:
' ... in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,'

Every of your posts have been purely shown to be 110% shored up by several prooftexting biblical sources

Yes, may God have mercy on your wretched soul operating under the law

Show where Jesus specifically ordered His disciples to baptise anyone categorically with water from the scripture

NNTR:
Why dont you be kind enough to yourself to to show us in the bible where Apostle Paul had this meeting with Jesus where baptism was mentioned as a prerequisite for anything.

Acts 22:12
And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there,

From your ignorance, you fail to acknowledge, the admission of Apostle Paul, about Ananias, being a devout observer of the law (i.e. someone operating under the law)

Read John 16:12-14 and go figure out the rest, but dont read without the help of the Holy Spirit

You will do well, if you read 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, to see how Apostle Paul remarked how revelation are received in parts llol

YourFavEvangeli:
[s]Matthew 28 vs 19
Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The name of the father, son and holy spirit is Jesus[/s]

YourFavEvangeli:
[s]NNTR Settle this case once and for all, show us
1. Where Jesus ordered his disciples to not baptise anyone with water from the scripture. Dont quote plenty twisted ideologies. Show us one place in the bible.[/s]

YourFavEvangeli:
[s]Once again, you have failed to show by scripture your outrageous claims and doctrines.

See the verses you quoted. I pasted them here for everyone to see that it has no relationship with your claims.
John 16:12-14 (KJV) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (KJV) Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

NNTR Be kind enough to show us in the bible where Apostle Paul had this meeting with Jesus where Jesus told Paul that water baptism in Jesus name isn't a prerequisite for anything.

Paul himself was baptised in Acts 9 vs 17-18 after his encounter with Jesus.

Opening multiple accounts wont save u cus I will re-ask the same questions.

All the questions I asked, you couldn't answer one with the scripture. What a preacher...[/s]

NNTR:
You'll definitely be a clown, if you are saying that the name of the Father is Jesus, the name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus

I'll take you serious, when from the scripture, you show where Jesus categorically ordered His disciples to specifically baptise anyone with water

NNTR:
You're confused like a goat lost on an astro turf
Go re-read 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, but re-read slowly and loud

YourFavEvangeli:
[s]I have shown where Jesus told us to baptise people in Matthew 28 vs 19
Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I have shown you where the disciples of Jesus baptised more people than John the Baptist (while Jesus was on earth)
John 4:1-2 (KJV) When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

NNTR Settle this case once and for all, show us
1. Where Jesus ordered his disciples to not baptise anyone with water from the scripture. Dont quote plenty twisted ideologies. Show us one place in the bible.[/s]

YourFavEvangeli:
The scripture you quoted says nothing about the method of baptism. I pasted it here for reference.

1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (KJV) Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

NNTR Be kind enough to show us in the bible where Apostle Paul had this meeting with Jesus where Jesus told Paul that water baptism in Jesus name isn't a prerequisite for anything.

Paul himself was baptised in Acts 9 vs 17-18 after his encounter with Jesus.

NNTR:
You can bleat till the cows come home and repeat yourself till your face turns blue, but I'll turn your dumb question on its head and shove it back at you with asking show where Jesus categorically ordered His disciples to specifically baptise anyone with water


You're not mature in understanding, to know that revelation comes in stages, thats what 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 as admitted by Apostle Paul, is saying.

[b]Yes, Apostle Paul was water baptised, but after getting the full revelation, it was a practice he didnt continue and something he was proud of [/b]that he didnt do for many other people. Smh at you

YourFavEvangeli:
[s]NNTR Settle this case once and for all, show us
1. Where Jesus ordered his disciples to not baptise anyone with water from the scripture. Dont quote plenty twisted ideologies. Show us one place in the bible.
Jesus himself ordered baptism in Matt 28 vs 19 anf his disciples baptised with water in John 4 vs 1-2 and continued after he ascwnded to heaven.

NNTR Be kind enough to show us in the bible where Apostle Paul had this meeting with Jesus where Jesus told Paul that water baptism in Jesus name isn't a prerequisite for anything.

Paul himself was baptised in Acts 9 vs 17-18 after his encounter with Jesus.[/s]

NNTR:
You can bleat till the cows come home and repeat yourself till your face turns blue, but I'll turn your dumb question on its head and shove it back at you with the question, asking you to show where Jesus categorically ordered His disciples to baptise anyone specifically with water.

Evangelist formerly parading self as Bishop, who isnt mature in understanding, to know that revelation comes in stages. That's what 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 as admitted by Apostle Paul, is saying.

Yes, Apostle Paul was water baptised, [b]but after getting full revelation, water baptism was a practice he didnt continue and something he was proud of that he didnt continue doing for many other people. [/b]Smh at you because of your

YourFavEvangeli:
[s]NNTR Settle this case once and for all, show us
1. Where Jesus ordered his disciples to not baptise anyone with water from the scripture. Dont quote plenty twisted ideologies. Show us one place in the bible.

Jesus himself ordered baptism in Matt 28 vs 19 anf his disciples baptised with water in John 4 vs 1-2 and continued after he ascwnded to heaven.

NNTR Be kind enough to show us in the bible where Apostle Paul had this meeting with Jesus where Jesus told Paul that water baptism in Jesus name isn't a prerequisite for anything.

Paul himself was baptised in Acts 9 vs 17-18 after his encounter with Jesus[/s]

NNTR:
[s]There is no peace, for the wicked.
The twisted are like the tossing sea. For it cannot be quiet, and its waters toss up refuse and mud[/s]