cornelboy:
1.The doctrines you hold on to Trinity, hell fire immortal soul, where did you get them, were they not from the Catholic church?

2. JWs from time were studying the Bible to find God's Truth and their doctrines changed from time to time the more they study the Bible.
They don't don't participate in politics because they only believe in God's kingdom. Cos Jesus wasn't political too but warned that "his kingdom is not of this world.

3. Did Jesus need to command us not to join politics before we know it is not right? Did the apostles in any form of politics? Or the Early church?
They don't also joined the military or engage in war. They are only devoted and loyal God's kingdom.

cornelboy:
Thanks I accept that I'm silly.
1. The giving of tithes and offerings, which people did God gave the law to Jews or gentiles?
If your answer is Jews, why do you(gentiles) pay tithes today?

2. The question is; as gentiles should we discard all God's rules in the Torah (OT)?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God gave His followers - Jews and Gentiles alike - edicts regarding the paying of such things as tithes and offerings. So why do you expect me to pay this tithes and offerings you refer to?

2. Again, Jesus Christ told you that it the Kingdom of God, you cannot serve two masters - God's Old Covenant Law being one master, and God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, being another master.

So,my counter question to you then is of what worth remains in the Kingdom of God for anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, but refuses to obey Him?

cornelboy:
The kingdom of God is for the 144000, don't be daft bro. You don't seem to want to know the truth
Bye

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God gave His followers - Jews and Gentiles alike - edicts regarding the paying of such things as tithes and offerings. So why do you expect me to pay this tithes and offerings you refer to?

2. Again, Jesus Christ told you that it the Kingdom of God, you cannot serve two masters - God's Old Covenant Law being one master, and God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, being another master.

So,my counter question to you then is of what worth remains in the Kingdom of God for anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, but refuses to obey Him?

cornelboy:
The kingdom of God is for the 144000, don't be daft bro. You don't seem to want to know the truth
Bye

cornelboy:

God’s View of Blood
Blood is vital. Without it, none of us could live. As the Creator, God has the right to say how blood may be used. What has he said about blood? Can it be eaten or transfused? And how can you make good decisions on this matter?
1. What is Jehovah’s view of blood?Jehovah told his worshippers in Bible times: “The life of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Leviticus 17:14) To Jehovah, blood represents life. Since life is a sacred, or holy, gift from God, blood is also sacred.
2. What use of blood does God forbid?Jehovah commanded his pre-Christian worshippers not to eat blood. (Read Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:10.) He confirmed this command when the governing body instructed Christians to “keep abstaining . . . from blood.”​—Read Acts 15:28, 29.What does it mean to abstain from blood? If a doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, you would not drink it. But would you eat foods that contained it or have alcohol injected into your veins? Obviously not. Likewise, God’s command to abstain from blood means that we should not drink blood or eat meat that has not been bled. Nor should we eat any food to which blood has been added.
What about the medical use of blood? Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components​—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. Other medical procedures may not be a clear-cut violation of God’s law. For example, some procedures involve the use of fractions of one of the main components of blood. Other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood. When weighing these options, each of us must make a personal decision.​—Galatians 6:5.

What about the medical use of blood?

Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components​—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma.

Other medical procedures may not be a clear-cut violation of God’s law. For example, some procedures involve the use of fractions of one of the main components of blood. Other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood. When weighing these options, each of us must make a personal decision.

Galatians 6:5

cornelboy:

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1.Where did you see that in the bible, na Jesus talk am? New testament was birth from old testament.

2. We are only prohibited to do sacrifices and burnt offerings. Jesus sacrifice on the cross was once and for all. All Old testament commandments should still be followed.

3. Your so full of yourself thinking that you know everything.
Where does the bible say in New testament that Old testament should be discard or is a master and new testament is another master?
Are you sure that's what the Bible say or just your misinterpretation?

Kobojunkie:
God never said any of what you claim. Even John, who in his dream visions happened upon the 144,000, clearly said that the group was exclusively made up of people sealed by God from the of the 12 tribes of Israel.

If Jesus Christ had made it clear that both jews and Gentiles would gather at the same table in His Kingdom at the end, and then John mentioned a group made exclusively of Jews, surely you should understand there will be many more in Heaven than John's list and this because of that which was declared by Jesus Christ , the one who is King and Ruler over all who belong in the Kingdom of God. This no be rocket science abeg!

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The Truth of God never changes. In fact His Truth is absolute - Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a jot of the Truth of God will change even then. However, by your own admission, the doctrines and traditions of your JW church changes from time to time, this, according to you, because the church is always studying to discover the Truth of God.

So how can you even open your mouth to proclaim that that which you spew here is truth(or has anything to do with it) when it might all undergo change tomorrow ?

cornelboy:

1. This verse show that the old heaven and earth will pass away and there will be new earth and God will come down from heaven and live with His people on earth. He will wipe off tears pain sickness and death. Abi death, sorrow, pain, tears de heaven?

2. I don't know where you get your doctrines from it's clearly not from the Bible.
Since you believe in going to heaven after death, why you no wan quick die lol?

achorladey:


I know you are aware this is a forum for discussion and bringing this here requires others to scrutinize it.



Pay heed to the term MEDICAL use of blood. The laws given to the Israelites did not have a subheading called MEDICAL use of blood. Does it?




Provide scriptures for the above word for word

You haven't respond to image123 question. You will find it difficult simply because your words here in bold is a huge leap from what the scripture. You cannot support it from the scripture but only use your religious publications as references and reference point. They all form part of what your religious leaders had fused into the scripture of which are the traditions they set up to get members under their control. They come under LEGALISM.




Give us a scripture that state other medical procedures may not be a clear violation of abstaining from blood

Give us a scripture that states use of persons own blood may not be a clear violation of abstaining from blood




Was Galatians 6:5 and the context of Galatians 6 related to anything blood transfusion? Was Paul talking about blood transfusion or abstaining from blood. You decided to pick a scripture and insert it to support the LEGALISM in place by your religious leaders

cornelboy:
I beg you in the name of God don't comment on my post again pls I'm not kidding. I mean it.

achorladey:


What is/are the common denominators of the following

1 Blood transfusion

2. Blood fraction transfusion

3. Blood fractions component transfusion

4. Person's own blood use or transfusion during a live operation.


Does the common denominator shows that Jehovah’s witnesses are really or ideally abstaining from blood?

Myer:
I think the verse Acts 15:29 is a bit confusing.
It says abstain from blood. But by Lev standard it probably refers to eating of blood.

No Christian or normal human should eat or drink blood. That goes without saying.
Cos we know those who practise paganism drink blood for some initiation or spiritial ascension.

cornelboy:

First gimme a scripture just one that says you shouldn't masturbate, can you?
Gimme another scripture that explicitly prohibits cybercrime?
Perhaps you know a scripture that explicitly says trousers is strictly for men?
It's common sense. God prohibited taking in blood of any creatures into the body.
God said you shouldn't drink water but you inject it into your body cos of the benefits. Haven't you violated the law? The means through which you take it in doesn't matter.

Kobojunkie:
You claim that No Christian or normal human should eat or drink blood. But Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity placed no such restriction on His followers. He taught them they are free eat even blood if they so desire - Matthew 15 vs 10 - 20. . So who do we believe? Jesus Christ or who else?

Myer:
This is what Matthew 15:10-20 says.

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1. It says all things eaten or drunk are allowed. Right?

2. But can you give a reason why Christian should drink blood?

cornelboy:
First gimme a scripture just one that says you shouldn't masturbate, can you?
Gimme another scripture that explicitly prohibits cybercrime?
Perhaps you know a scripture that explicitly says trousers is strictly for men?

It's common sense. God prohibited taking in blood of any creatures into the body.
God said you shouldn't drink water but you inject it into your body cos of the benefits. Haven't you violated the law? The means through which you take it in doesn't matter.

First gimme a scripture just one that says you shouldn't masturbate, can you?Gimme another scripture that explicitly prohibits cybercrime?
Perhaps you know a scripture that explicitly says trousers is strictly for men?

God prohibited taking in blood of any creatures into the body.

God said you shouldn't drink water but you inject it into your body cos of the benefits. Haven't you violated the law? The means through which you take it in doesn't matter.

Myer:


I think the verse Acts 15:29 is a bit confusing.
It says abstain from blood. But by Lev standard it probably refers to eating of blood.

No Christian or normal human should eat or drink blood. That goes without saying.
Cos we know those who practise paganism drink blood for some initiation or spiritial ascension.

But that Acts 15:29 probably has nothing to do with Blood transfusion which is meant to save a life that is dying from blood shortage. Not for some form of spiritual ascension or ritual or oath.

MaxInDHouse:


Acholardey is an APOSTATE!

achorladey:


You see why it is all traditions of men and LEGALISMS made by your religious leaders

achorladey:
I have not said people should masturbate and people should not masturbate. I have not said people should commit cybercrime or not. Same applies to trousers for men.

achorladey:
Should you go through this line of reasoning then you can only hide behind COMMON SENSE. Since you know common sense is not Bible and Bible is not common sense. The above point is irrelevant because you would not need to quote the abstaining from blood from the Bible since it is all common sense.

achorladey:
Is the sense or common sense behind what you wrote about BLOOD Transfusion or MEDICAL use of BLOOD?

achorladey:
This where your common sense ends. God said you should keep abstaining from blood you decided to extract the fractions or components as it were and transfused it into your body because of the medical benefits. Haven't you violated the instruction to keep abstaining from blood? The means through which you take it doesn't matter.

achorladey:


And the above will make others stop blood transfusion

cornelboy:
My aim is not to make people stop blood transfusion but rather convince people that condemn Jws for abstaining, that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them.
The same way they honour His name YHWH (transliterated to Jehovah) by including it in their bible unlike deviant KJV that hides God's name.

cornelboy:
My aim is not to make people stop blood transfusion but rather convince people that condemn Jws for abstaining, that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them.
The same way they honour His name YHWH (transliterated to Jehovah) by including it in their bible unlike deviant KJV that hides God's name.

Kobojunkie:
So your aim is to propagate a lie, to delude and deceive people away from following the Truth of God, in the name of God, exactly like the Catholic church and every other church out there, right?

cornelboy:
Wow i like your comment. Kudos brother. Wise man.
Tell me where the Bible say you should do blood transfusion

cornelboy:
Wow i like your comment. Kudos brother. Wise man.
Tell me where the Bible say you should do blood transfusion ??

Kobojunkie:
um....

It is exactly because there is no biblical mention of it that makes your aim deceitful.

MaxInDHouse:


The truth is like a bullet or injection that when it touches the heart of any listener he or she will never remain the same.
It's either you accept it or start fighting against anyone upholding it. Apostates knew very well that we aren't forcing the truth on anyone but due to the condition of their hearts they are scared each time they see Jehovah's Witnesses!

cornelboy:
My aim is not to make people stop blood transfusion but rather convince people that condemn Jws for abstaining, that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them.
The same way they honour His name YHWH (transliterated to Jehovah) by including it in their bible unlike deviant KJV that hides God's name.

My aim is not to make people stop blood transfusion but rather convince people that condemn Jws for abstaining, that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them.

that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them

The same way they honour His name YHWH (transliterated to Jehovah) by including it in their bible unlike deviant KJV that hides God's name

cornelboy:
Abeg de talk sense bro.
According to God's law on blood; abstaining from blood transfusion or allowing blood transfusion, which is following God's will?

achorladey:




You don't even have right to determine whether a person accept or reject blood transfusion in the first place. It is not your jurisdiction.

1. Regarding Jehovah’s witnesses abstaining from blood, do they

really abstain from blood from all of the policies you have learnt all over the years?

Or Jehovah’s witnesses are equally trying to abstain from blood.



What parameters do you use to ASCERTAIN this? This sounds like the pharisee and the tax collector praying. You know the full story abi?





Where were you when this thread concerning the name JEHOVAH was created last year? For your bragging and boasting right, How many times did the name Jehovah or Yahweh appear in the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION long before the existence of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that is not DEVIANT


Did the NAME JEHOVAH originate with

A. Jehovah's witnesses

B. or with does you call DEVIANTS