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Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 5:53am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:1. I am afraid you have got you the wrong person to kick at.... I don't hold on to any of the man-made ideas, doctrines or tradition as far as Jesus Christ is concerned. Instead, I believe in the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, as presented in scripture. ![]() 2. The Catholic church has also more than 1500 years behind its belt of time spent supposedly studying the Bible to "find" the Truth of God, and there doctrines have also changed over that time. I sure thing is that all in that time, they have proceeded further and further away away God's Truth getting no where closer to it even after almost 1500 proving that what Jesus Christ said of those who worship the doctrines and traditions of men, lies, in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 ![]() They very same pattern is observed among the other churches , the JW church not excluded. They all drift further and further away from the Truth of God even as they claim they study to discover God's Truth in their numbers. ![]() God's Truth is not unraveled by those who are already blinded by lied and deceit. Those lies, as Jesus Christ warned, instead nullify the very Word of God, God's Truth, and push those submitted to it further and further away from the Truth so they are ever changing and updating the lies without ever arriving at the Truth of God. LIE + LIE can never equal TRUTH 3. Your reasoning there is akin to that of the man who thinks that even though he frequents the red light zone regularly, he is better than the prostitutes he beds. ![]() Jesus Christ said more than not to participate in politics of this world, but I see you convince and even part yourself on the back believing that because you don't engage in politics, you are somehow less cursed than those who do. I am afraid you are deceived. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 6:00am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:1. Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God gave His followers - Jews and Gentiles alike - edicts regarding the paying of such things as tithes and offerings. So why do you expect me to pay this tithes and offerings you refer to? ![]() 2. Again, Jesus Christ told you that in the Kingdom of God, you cannot serve two masters - God's Old Covenant Law being one master, and God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, being another master. So,my counter question to you then is what worth remains in the Kingdom of God for anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, yet refusing to obey Him? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 6:07am On Jan 19, 2022 |
The kingdom of God is for the 144000, don't be daft bro. You don't seem to want to know the truth Bye Kobojunkie: 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 6:14am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:God never said any of what you claim. Even John, who in his dream visions happened upon the 144,000, clearly said that the group was exclusively made up of people sealed by God from the of the 12 tribes of Israel. ![]() If Jesus Christ had made it clear that both jews and Gentiles would gather at the same table in His Kingdom at the end, and then John mentioned a group made exclusively of Jews, surely you should understand there will be many more in Heaven than John's list and this because of that which was declared by Jesus Christ , the one who is King and Ruler over all who belong in the Kingdom of God. This no be rocket science abeg! ![]() The Truth of God never changes. In fact His Truth is absolute - Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a jot of the Truth of God will change even then. However, by your own admission, the doctrines and traditions of your JW church changes from time to time, this, according to you, because the church is always studying to discover the Truth of God. ![]() So how can you even open your mouth to proclaim that that which you spew here is truth(or has anything to do with it) when it might all undergo change tomorrow ? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 6:23am On Jan 19, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Where did you see that in the bible, na Jesus talk am? New testament was birth from old testament. We are only prohibited to do sacrifices and burnt offerings. Jesus sacrifice on the cross was once and for all. All Old testament commandments should still be followed. Your so full of yourself thinking that you know everything. Where does the bible say in New testament that Old testament should be discard or is a master and new testament is another master? Are you sure that's what the Bible say or just your misinterpretation? |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:24am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: They don't know that the Kingdom of God is for just a limited number of people {Luke 12:32} they're thinking each person can just relate with God and get into the kingdom without first holding to the skirt of the little flock of 144,000! Zechariah 8:23 I don't argue with them once i notice that they are arrogant i will just excuse myself and face another person who truly wants to learn! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 6:29am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: I know you are aware this is a forum for discussion and bringing this here requires others to scrutinize it. What about the medical use of blood? Pay heed to the term MEDICAL use of blood. The laws given to the Israelites did not have a subheading called MEDICAL use of blood. Does it? ![]() Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. Provide scriptures for the above word for word ![]() ![]() You haven't respond to image123 question. You will find it difficult simply because your words here in bold is a huge leap from what the scripture. You cannot support it from the scripture but only use your religious publications as references and reference point. They all form part of what your religious leaders had fused into the scripture of which are the traditions they set up to get members under their control. They come under LEGALISM. Other medical procedures may not be a clear-cut violation of God’s law. For example, some procedures involve the use of fractions of one of the main components of blood. Other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood. When weighing these options, each of us must make a personal decision. Give us a scripture that state other medical procedures may not be a clear violation of abstaining from blood Give us a scripture that states use of persons own blood may not be a clear violation of abstaining from blood Galatians 6:5 Was Galatians 6:5 and the context of Galatians 6 related to anything blood transfusion? Was Paul talking about blood transfusion or abstaining from blood. You decided to pick a scripture and insert it to support the LEGALISM in place by your religious leaders ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 6:44am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:1. I don't understand your question. Neither do I understand your statement that the New Testament was birthed from the Old Testament. ![]() 2. Let me get this straight. Are you saying you completely disregard God's stark decree repeated in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 declaring that the Old Covenant agreement, YHWH, is strictly an agreement between Himself and those descended from Jacob? ![]() So when Jesus Christ said ,"Those who are my friends are those who do as I ask" - John 15 vs 14 - Is it the case that Jesus Christ, the one who proclaimed that not a jot of God's Law would be changed, went against His own Word and changed God's Old Covenant Law removing God's decreed laws and statutes requiring the offering of sacrifices and burnt offerings? ![]() Also, does this mean then that when God,in His Old Covenant Law, decreed that no one is to add, change or remove commandments from His Law, God in fact lied? ![]() 3. How can you discard something that never belong to you and was never given to you in the first place- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20? My guess is this kind blindness wey hold you so na due to lack of comprehension of God's clear message in that passage. ![]() I don't interpret scripture. God knew exactly what He was doing when He decided to have humans pen down His Word in human language to be read and understand using basic human language comprehension skills by those who seek to know Him. ![]() God's Law is master over your life and relationship with God if you are bound by it. It isn't rocket science. Those who are under God's Law are to live their very lives according to God's teachings and commandments as stipulated in His Law. ![]() Even Jesus Christ warned His followers never to allow Old wine and New wine to mix giving illustrations of how's attempts at such lead to chaos. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 6:44am On Jan 19, 2022 |
Revelation 21:1-5,7-8 [1]Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone. [2]And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. [3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, ��“Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.�� [4]��He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”�� [5]And the one sitting on the throne said, ��“Look, I am making everything new!”�� And then he said to me, “Write this down, ��for what I tell you is trustworthy and true.”�� [7]All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children. [8]“But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” This verse show that the old heaven and earth will pass away and there will be new earth and God will come down from heaven and live with His people on earth. He will wipe off tears pain sickness and death. Abi death, sorrow, pain, tears de heaven? I don't know where you get your doctrines from it's clearly not from the Bible. Since you believe in going to heaven after death, why you no wan quick die lol? Tell me where God talk say na everyone (believers) de go heaven Kobojunkie: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 6:53am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:1. I find it funny how you run clearly away from quoting from the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Truth and King who will judge the world at the end, so you can instead quote randomly from John's Book of Revelations. ![]() Where you not the same one who posted from the Same book of Revelations about people being in Heaven and ruling from there? Where are you told by John that those same people will come back down from Heaven to now live on the earth or something? ![]() 2. You think the teachings of Jesus Christ are about dying quickly and going to Heaven? You really know and understand next to nothing of the Gospel, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God, do you? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 7:00am On Jan 19, 2022 |
First gimme a scripture just one that says you shouldn't masturbate, can you? Gimme another scripture that explicitly prohibits cybercrime? Perhaps you know a scripture that explicitly says trousers is strictly for men? It's common sense. God prohibited taking in blood of any creatures into the body. God said you shouldn't drink water but you inject it into your body cos of the benefits. Haven't you violated the law? The means through which you take it in doesn't matter. achorladey: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 7:04am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: What is/are the common denominators of the following? 1 Blood transfusion 2. Blood fraction transfusion 3. Blood fractions component transfusion 4. Person's own blood use or transfusion during a live operation. Does the common denominator shows that Jehovah’s witnesses are really or ideally abstaining from blood? 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Myer(m): 7:09am On Jan 19, 2022 |
achorladey: I think the verse Acts 15:29 is a bit confusing. It says abstain from blood. But by Lev standard it probably refers to eating of blood. No Christian or normal human should eat or drink blood. That goes without saying. Cos we know those who practise paganism drink blood for some initiation or spiritial ascension. But that Acts 15:29 probably has nothing to do with Blood transfusion which is meant to save a life that is dying from blood shortage. Not for some form of spiritual ascension or ritual or oath. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 7:14am On Jan 19, 2022 |
Myer:You claim that No Christian or normal human should eat or drink blood. But Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity placed no such restriction on His followers. He taught them they are free eat even blood if they so desire - Matthew 15 vs 10 - 20. . So who do we believe? Jesus Christ or who else? ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: Acholardey is an APOSTATE! ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Myer(m): 7:23am On Jan 19, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: This is what Matthew 15:10-20 says. And he called the people to him and said to them, q“Hear and understand: 11 rit is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” 12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were soffended when they heard this saying?” 13 He answered, t“Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted uwill be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; vthey are blind guides.3 And wif the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” 15 But Peter said to him, x“Explain the parable to us.” 16 And he said, y“Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that zwhatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?4 18 But awhat comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come bevil thoughts, cmurder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, dslander. 20 eThese are what defile a person. But fto eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.” It says all things eaten or drunk are allowed. Right? But can you give a reason why Christian should drink blood? |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 7:29am On Jan 19, 2022 |
Myer:1. Essentially, what Jesus Christ said there is that our eating and drinking is of this world, and not of the Kingdom of God. You cannot sin by ingesting any substance. ![]() 2. The same reasons any pagan would have to drink or eat blood. If I find myself, for instance, in a place where the eating of raw meat or fish is considered a delicacy, or blood meals are served, I am allowed to eat and partake without worry or care. ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 7:29am On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: You see why it is all traditions of men and LEGALISMS made by your religious leaders ![]() ![]() First gimme a scripture just one that says you shouldn't masturbate, can you?Gimme another scripture that explicitly prohibits cybercrime? I have not said people should masturbate and people should not masturbate. I have not said people should commit cybercrime or not. Same applies to trousers for men. Should you go through this line of reasoning then you can only hide behind COMMON SENSE. Since you know common sense is not Bible and Bible is not common sense. The above point is irrelevant because you would not need to quote the abstaining from blood from the Bible since it is all common sense. God prohibited taking in blood of any creatures into the body. Is the sense or common sense behind what you wrote about BLOOD Transfusion or MEDICAL use of BLOOD? God said you shouldn't drink water but you inject it into your body cos of the benefits. Haven't you violated the law? The means through which you take it in doesn't matter. This where your common sense ends. God said you should keep abstaining from blood you decided to extract the fractions or components as it were and transfused it into your body because of the medical benefits. Haven't you violated the instruction to keep abstaining from blood? The means through which you take it doesn't matter. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 7:34am On Jan 19, 2022 |
Myer: I am expecting cornelboy to throw a shot at that question and see how all the LEGALISMS behind he blood policy imposed by his religious leaders does not really made them abstain from blood. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 7:37am On Jan 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: And the above will make others stop blood transfusion 1 Like
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Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:00pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
achorladey: No JWs is forced to believe bro. But they given reasons from the Bible for them to believe. We all have our choices to make. achorladey: Masturbation and cybercrimes are sins against God but yet you can't explicitly quote any verse that prohibited them. But how do we know they are sin? Is it not via reasoning based on other commandments? Does identifying masturbation and cybercrimes as sins makes it man-made traditions and doctrines? achorladey: There's no how i would have quoted the bible prohibiting blood transfusion word for word, it wasnt even invented yet when God gave the law. But base on other commandments on blood which say we should abstain from blood of any creatures in any form either by eating or drinking, transfusing another person's blood into us would violate the law even if it's bout your health. You may have different opinion but it's doesn't really change anything achorladey: Maybe you should read it again. JWs chose to obey God by completely by abstaining from blood either drinking, eating or transfusing it. It's not by force, it's bout personal choice. It's easy to digest na. achorladey: Jehovah witnesses don't partake in any of blood transfusion where in fractions or whole. The question for you is; according to God's law on blood, which is right between allowing blood transfusion or abstaining from it? Some things we see as normal is actually abominable before God Deuteronomy 22:5,9-11 [5]“A woman must not put on men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing. Anyone who does this is detestable in the sight of the lord your God. [9]“You must not plant any other crop between the rows of your vineyard. If you do, you are forbidden to use either the grapes from the vineyard or the other crop. [10]“You must not plow with an ox and a donkey harnessed together. [11]“You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together. |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:05pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
My aim is not to make people stop blood transfusion but rather convince people that condemn Jws for abstaining, that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them. The same way they honour His name YHWH (transliterated to Jehovah) by including it in their bible unlike deviant KJV that hides God's name. achorladey: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:22pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: The truth is like a bullet or injection that when it touches the heart of any listener he or she will never remain the same. It's either you accept it or start fighting against anyone upholding it. Apostates knew very well that we aren't forcing the truth on anyone but due to the condition of their hearts they are scared each time they see Jehovah's Witnesses! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 3:38pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:So your aim is to propagate a lie, to delude and deceive people away from following the Truth of God, in the name of God, exactly like the Catholic church and every other church out there, right? ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:45pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
Wow i like your comment. Kudos brother. Wise man. Tell me where the Bible say you should do blood transfusion ![]() ![]() Kobojunkie: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 3:47pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
You comment is always out-of-no-where kind of comment. ![]() cornelboy: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 3:58pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:um.... ![]() It is exactly because there is no biblical mention of it that makes your aim deceitful. ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 4:03pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
Abeg de talk sense bro. According to God's law on blood; abstaining from blood transfusion or allowing blood transfusion, which is following God's will? ![]() Kobojunkie: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 4:07pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
Your name was nobody before right? And your a lady? Your signature Maximum's side is familiar. MaxInDHouse: |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by achorladey: 4:08pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy: My aim is not to make people stop blood transfusion but rather convince people that condemn Jws for abstaining, that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them. You don't even have right to determine whether a person accept or reject blood transfusion in the first place. It is not your jurisdiction. 1. Regarding Jehovah’s witnesses abstaining from blood, do they really abstain from blood from all of the policies you have learnt all over the years? Or Jehovah’s witnesses are equally trying to abstain from blood. that the Jws are fully obeying and honouring God's word than them What parameters do you use to ASCERTAIN this? This sounds like the pharisee and the tax collector praying. You know the full story abi? The same way they honour His name YHWH (transliterated to Jehovah) by including it in their bible unlike deviant KJV that hides God's name ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Where were you when this thread concerning the name JEHOVAH was created last year? For your bragging and boasting right, How many times did the name Jehovah or Yahweh appear in the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION long before the existence of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that is not DEVIANT ![]() Did the NAME JEHOVAH originate with A. Jehovah's witnesses B. or with does you call DEVIANTS 1 Like |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by Kobojunkie: 4:08pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:God never gave to you any law or commandment regarding blood or your blood transfusions - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20 and He will never give to you that which belongs to His servant , Jacob. . ![]() |
Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Right About Their Belief Against Blood Transfusion? by cornelboy(f): 4:17pm On Jan 19, 2022 |
achorladey: I already told you it's your personal choice but for me i wouldn't do it cos of God's law and views against blood. They don't do it bro. Well some might. It's personal choice after all. I said KJ versions not every bible translations. KJV are wrongly believed by Christians as the best translation whereas it isn't. Aside ASV there are other translations too that use God's proper name. God is just a title. But they use It more than themselves. |
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