achorladey:

Make I help this your regimented thinking position once more.......
What is the new form of worship?
John 4:23,Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.+ God is a Spirit,+ and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth...... NWT
Earlier he told the .
John 4: Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
Since Jesus knew already that their house will be abandoned to those who pride themselves in their whitewashed house on the outside but inside is filled with dead bones and stench
Since Jesus said salvation begins with the Jews here is one of those Jews who lived after him said about religion and worship accepted by the father in James 1: 27
The form of worship* that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans+ and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.
Did you see James mention the names of Jews or name of a locality or name of a religious organisation?
The above is why the religious organization you belong can go as far as publishing books stating pure worship restored at last using Ezekiel's prophecy to explain to suit their religious organization thinking God is restructuring the religious organization to carry out pure worship yet you have just stated Jesus didn't bother to restructure Judaism those whose God's temple was within their midst but the same Jesus is restructuring a man made religious organization abi na fabrication.

Since you're always here arguing about the doctrine of a particular religion and we all know that there is over 41,000 different sects all claiming denominations in Christianity with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
Can you kindly tell us the name of your own Church?
You're blessed as you do Sir!

MaxInDHouse:


Since you're always here arguing about the doctrine of a particular religion and we all know that there is over 41,000 different sects all claiming denominations in Christianity with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
Can you kindly tell us the name of your own Church?
You're blessed as you do Sir!

The same person that will go about calling me apostate, miscreant and all sort of names and label wants to know the name of my religion and states you are blessed

Kindly tell us ko kindly type it ni? When you keep calling me names you are doing so in a kind way

achorladey:


The same person that will go about calling me apostate, miscreant and all sort of names and label wants to know the name of my religion and states you are blessed

Kindly tell us ko kindly type it ni? When you keep calling me names you are doing so in a kind way

What is the name of your Church?

MaxInDHouse:


What is the name of your Church?

Miscreant, insane, mad, asiere, asinwin and apostate non denominated Church .

achorladey:


Miscreant, insane, mad, asiere, asinwin and apostate non denominated Church .

Thanks for the highlighted!
So since the over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christianity are having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, should we conclude that you've not found any doctrine that's of Christ in all these religions or you just don't like submitting yourself to rules binding on fellow believers?

MaxInDHouse:


Thanks for the highlighted!
So since the over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christianity are having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, should we conclude that you've not found any doctrine that's of Christ in all these religions or you just don't like submitting yourself to rules binding on fellow believers?

Are the religious denominations manufacturers of the Doctrines like love God and love neighbor? Do I have to find such teachings or doctrines in a religious denominations or organisation?

A. Yes

B. No

Do I look like a lawless person or must I submit to the rules of religious organization or denominations before I get called a lawful person?

When people leave the religious organization you belong following their policies to stop associations with them are such persons lawless or carrying out lawlessness?

Answer and let your words hit you back following your numerous antecedents here.

On faceless social media like this many claims they're believers in God/Christ but it takes real intelligence to expose them as wolves in sheep's clothing.
The first thing about a true believer is acknowledgement of a Supreme Being and if anyone acknowledges the supreme being then such a person can't be isolated in faith, you must have fellow humans (beings) like you who truly submit to that Being you revere as Supreme, that's why a church or congregation is required. The authenticity of your revered Supreme Being is how all adherents are united in thought regarding right and wrong {John 17:22} in the absence of that then you can't truly claim you believe in the Supreme Being because the fact remains that you see yourself as supreme independent of any form of restraint. That's what Jesus meant when he said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23

Of course Satan's agents will disguise as children of God {2Corinthians 11:14} but deep within them each don't want to be submissive to any God because they see themselves as Gods {Genesis 3:5} hence they open a large door for iniquity (lawlessness) {Matthew 7:23} it's like they're on a broad road so they can switch from on lane to another freely! Matthew 7:13-14

MaxInDHouse:
On faceless social media like this many claims they're believers in God/Christ but it takes real intelligence to expose them as wolves in sheep's clothing.
The first thing about a true believer is acknowledgement of a Supreme Being and if anyone acknowledges the supreme being then such a person can't be isolated in faith, you must have fellow human beings like you who truly submit to that Being you revere as Supreme, that's why a church or congregation is required. The authenticity of your revered Supreme Being is how all adherents are united in thought regarding right and wrong {John 17:22} in the absence of that then you can't truly claim you believe in the Supreme Being because the fact remains that you see yourself as supreme independent of any form of restraint. That's what Jesus meant when he said:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23

Of course Satan's agents will disguise as children of God {2Corinthians 11:14} but deep within them each don't want to be submissive to any God because they see themselves as Gods {Genesis 3:5} hence they open a large door for iniquity (lawlessness) {Matthew 7:23} it's like they're on a broad road so they can switch from on lane to another freely! Matthew 7:13-14

MaxInDHouse and his usual narratives

On faceless social media like this many claims they're believers in God/Christ but it takes real intelligence to expose them as wolves in sheep's clothing.

Just like you claim to believe in God and Christ

The first thing about a true believer is acknowledgement of a Supreme Being and if anyone acknowledges the supreme being then such a person can't be isolated in faith

,

That's why their worship to that supreme being is in spirit and in truth

you must have fellow human beings like you who truly submit to that Being you revere as Supreme, that's why a church or congregation is required.

Reality says many submit to that supreme being and criteria for submitting to that being does not require setting up a church and orgnized religious denominations scattered all over the world.

The authenticity of your revered Supreme Being is how all adherents are united in thought regarding right and wrong {John 17:22} in the absence of that then you can't truly claim you believe.

Dedicated religious members of the Catholic Church are united in thought regarding right and wrong. Do you then regard their supreme being as AUTHENTIC? . You go run now.

Of course Satan's agents will disguise as children of God {2Corinthians 11:14} but deep within them each don't want to be submissive to any God because they see themselves as Gods {Genesis 3:5} hence they open a large door for iniquity (lawlessness) {Matthew 7:23} it's like they're on a broad road so they can switch from on lane to another freely! Matthew 7:13-14

The last time I checked MaxInDHouse is not Jesus he goes about peddling lawlessness and calling others workers of LAWLESSNESS based on nothing or simply they do not dance to his tune.

Full mode of operation Awon workers of LAWLESSNESS peddler.

achorladey:

Are the religious denominations manufacturers of the Doctrines like love God and love neighbor?

Actions speaks louder than words.
When Jesus said "love God and neighbours" he only summarized over 600 laws given to the Israelites in just one phrase.
So why was this two laws extended up to over 600? Well it's to help figure out lawless men in their society back then but since many Jews have gone to John the baptist to present themselves as willing Jews prepared to live by God's laws without being pestered. Jesus simplified things by giving them a summary of the whole laws!

achorladey:

Do I have to find such teachings or doctrines in a religious denominations or organisation?
A. Yes
B. No

YES! Matthew 16:6

achorladey:

Do I look like a lawless person or must I submit to the rules of religious organization or denominations before I get called a lawful person?

YES!
Because at baptism a candidate signified with his action that he's prepared to start a new life living by the rules and regulations of the group that baptized him just as baptismal certificates approaching John knows fully well that they're prepared to surrender willingly to all the laws binding on fellow Jews.
So when Peter said "get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" {Act 2:38} he is implying that his listeners must surrender to all the rules binding on Christ's followers {John 15:13} and anyone found disobeying be EXCOMMUNICATED! 1Corinthians 5:8-13

achorladey:

When people leave the religious organization you belong following their policies to stop associations with them are such persons lawless or carrying out lawlessness?

YES! God's word says we must not greet them again {Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11} because they've proved to be unfaithful after knowing what is good and vowing to live for the rest of their life in harmony with what they've learned {Ecclesiastes 5:4} their turning makes them worthless from the viewpoint of our Master Lord and King! Luke 9:62

achorladey:

Answer and let your words hit you back following your numerous antecedents here.

I have answered using God's word as the basis for what i believe. Can you also do the same instead of talking about what i believe?
Please present what you believe using God's word to substantiate for us to know why your submission is of God!

Thanks bro.
You know my aim is to get someone to the Truth, so one has to be cool, patient and that.
But I'll still like to know what the complete teaching is and the church you belong to. That'll be fair since you know im a JW to be.

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tctrills:
I must commend you though, you are one of the few good men here. You have not been disrespectful even when we disagree. I hope it continues like that because I am sure we would disagree much more in the future.

When i ignore you it's because there is no one around that needs to distinguish between true believers (sheep) and disguised unbelievers (goats).
But today i will respond to all your posts because of the interested one (Cornelboy)
Matthew 18:6

achorladey:

MaxInDHouse and his usual narratives
Just like you claim to believe in God and Christ
That's why their worship to that supreme being is in spirit and in truth
Reality says many submit to that supreme being and criteria for submitting to that being does not require setting up a church and orgnized religious denominations scattered all over the world.
Dedicated religious members of the Catholic Church are united in thought regarding right and wrong. Do you then regard their supreme being as AUTHENTIC? . You go run now.

This is a LIE!
Catholics in one country often carried weapons to KILL fellow Catholics in another country, this shows they are NOT UNITED in thought regarding right and wrong!

achorladey:

The last time I checked MaxInDHouse is not Jesus he goes about peddling lawlessness and calling others workers of LAWLESSNESS based on nothing or simply they do not dance to his tune.
Full mode of operation Awon workers of LAWLESSNESS peddler.

Workers of lawlessness needs to be exposed!
If you're not one of them please present a group of people or religious organization with which you're bound to the same line of thought regarding right and wrong!

How is that a foolish question bro? It's a simple question and you might choose not to tell me.
Well you obviously know i believe and practice the JW doctrine and I'm currently studying with them.

achorladey:




Will it sit well with you to call it a foolish question?



It is not like you see me asking for yours. Correct?

Lawless men hiding behind Satan's system in the name of DENOMINATIONS!

Jesus Christ is one man and he prayed fervently to his father for all his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so whatever opens a door for contradictions is of Satan the Devil, that's why lawless men love that system where they'll switch freely from one doctrine to another depending on whatever soothes their liken {Matthew 7:13-14} but at the same time they want to claim they're still worshipers of the same God with the religion they disowned!

Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

tctrills:

I come to nairaland as an individual. I do not represent any church here.
I am not one of those that come here to defend a particular church even when the church is obviously wrong. You can scroll through my past comments to verify.
But as for the blood issue, only my JW brothers know where they got that one from.
Hopefully they would change their position with time

I'll like to go and read about Apostates.
It's not their modulus operandi, just that we all are different from each other.
Everyone should learn to be cool.
But the fact is the truth of God should be one, not different beliefs out there in Christianity.

achorladey:


You mean you created one with the same moniker? Make I check am. Whatever the case, trinity discussion no dey end. It is alway a case of leaving to continue another day



Of what importance is that to who I am? Maximus also said I am mad, insane, asiere, asinwin, demon, Satan e.t.c another one said I be hobnockers. Wetin e add or remove from who I be?

Na their mode of operation be that when you don't dance to their tune.

We were both contending that remains the fact. I said it's this but you said it's not. Abeg let's be straightforward now.
Its not like i was fighting you and you cross your arm.

achorladey:


Good for you.



I am bringing that verse once again to your notice a verse you read and put no cognisance. Now you say its hypocritic to exempt myself. What you forgot is that you brought the law of blood in the first place. I am only reasoning along in order see the sense behind your CONTENTION. You should already know that you should not be contending about the law. That should have been the base knowledge for you before your continuous emphasis on what you shouldn't strive about in the first place.

cornelboy:
I'll like to go and read about Apostates.
It's not their modulus operandi, just that we all are different from each other.
Everyone should learn to be cool.
But the fact is the truth of God should be one, not different beliefs out there in Christianity.

The highlighted is the bone of contention.
Different sects claiming denominations in Christianity with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines doesn't mean anything to them as long as all the different religions lay low underG but against the group standing tall above all {Matthew 5:14-16} they are battle prepared to criticize with all their vigor.
What really baffles me is the way they hide under the none-denominations stuff yet they're out to criticize doctrines.
To illustrate, let's take the countries in the world as examples of different sects and their constitutions as doctrines.
If you ask any of these lawless men to speak of the country of their choice they will spend the whole day telling you how one country's policy is fair to all concerned but when it's time to talk about God they don't want to hear anything call rules.
How can someone say he doesn't belong to any country yet he wants to criticize countries punishing offenders for going against their constitution!

cornelboy:
Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

Do you think I learnt that meat contains blood in church?

cornelboy:
Thanks bro.
You know my aim is to get someone to the Truth, so one has to be cool, patient and that.
But I'll still like to know what the complete teaching is and the church you belong to. That'll be fair since you know im a JW to be.

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Sorry bro, I don't discuss my personal religion here. I only discuss doctrines and principles. And I don't think the JW is the worst church. They have their good points.
I do not want to see this forum as a place for marketing any particular church. So, my brother, you may not want to bring up your church here but if you do, you should be ready to hear from me. I would be using the bible to question your opinions.

cornelboy:
Okay but don't you have a church? At least their doctrines would have influenced your opinion here.

I noticed one of your JW brothers asking you to be careful of me and I laugh. He might be right though. I would always tell you my opinion even when it's against your religion.
I would ask you questions and if you are a fanatic, you would end up hating me like that your brother.
I would continually ask you to prove your point from the Bible.
I see you after a few debates getting to hate me like that your brother.

see, this is very simple. when you come out and tell others that they are false and only you have a monopoly of the truth, I guess they are entitled to ask you questions. And you don't end up hating them when you cant answer.
Let me give you an example. One of your people openly called the catholic church the church of the devil. I then reminded him that the bible he uses and believes was put together by the Catholics and the devil is not capable of any good thing so If you call the Catholics to question, you also have to call their bible to question. Your brother went totally crazy because of this. i had to leave him alone for his own good.

tctrills:
I noticed one of your JW brothers asking you to be careful of me and I laugh. He might be right though. I would always tell you my opinion even when it's saint your religion.
I would ask you questions and if you are a fanatic, you would end up hating me like that your brother.
I would continually ask you to prove your point from the Bible.
I see you after a few debates getting to hate me like that your brother.

I don't hate righteousness, what i detest is when lawlessness joins hands with hypocrisy! If you're here to criticize God's word as an atheist i'll welcome you with open arms since you don't uphold any form of teaching, but when you come in to criticize organized form of worship yet claiming you also believe in God and you're not ready to present a better option then i will call you "an agent of Satan" because that's the only Bible character who wants everyone to be independent of organized form of worship! John 8:44 compare to Genesis 3:4-5

tctrills:
I One of your people openly called the catholic church the church of the devil. I then reminded him that the bible he uses and believes was put together by the Catholics and the devil is not capable of any good thing so If you call the Catholics to question, you also have to call their bible to question. Your brother went totally crazy because of this. i had to leave him alone for his own good.

You see there's difference in composing the Bible and compiling it. The Catholic didn't write the bible. There was a time they hid the bible from the masses and they were able to spread their lies.

If you don't believe in Trinity, you can't believe Mary as the mother of God.
They have done more harm than good to Christianity.
The first apostles and early church didn't believe in hell fire as a place of suffering after death. Paul, Peter and others didn't preach and warn people about hell.

tctrills:
I noticed one of your JW brothers asking you to be careful of me and I laugh. He might be right though. I would always tell you my opinion even when it's against your religion.

What's your religion, are you a Muslim or a Catholic? And what's the complete teaching?

cornelboy:




You see there's difference in composing the Bible and compiling it. The Catholic didn't write the bible. There was a time they hid the bible from the masses and they were able to spread their lies.

If you don't believe in Trinity, you can't believe Mary as the mother of God.
They have done more harm than good to Christianity.
The first apostles and early church didn't believe in hell fire as a place of suffering after death. Paul, Peter and others didn't preach and warn people about hell.

You are right, they did not write the bible but they decided what books should be in the bible as we know it today. Remember, there were so many books but the Catholics decided to bring some together and give us the bible as we know it now.
And I would love to have this discussion with you about hell

Who appointed you as the moderator? Lol.
You can use the Bible to prove Trinity without using ideas outside it? We will see in my next post about Trinity.

tctrills:

Sorry bro, I don't discuss my personal religion here. I only discuss doctrines and principles. And I don't think the JW is the worst church. They have their good points.
I do not want to see this forum as a place for marketing any particular church. So, my brother, you may not want to bring up your church here but if you do, you should be ready to hear from me. I would be using the bible to question your opinions.

cornelboy:
We were both contending that remains the fact. I said it's this but you said it's not. Abeg let's be straightforward now.
Its not like i was fighting you and you cross your arm.

Simple as it is, do you see me quote the law on blood in the first place? Who brought the law of blood into the discussion in the first place?

Its not like i was fighting you and you cross your arm.

I am not in an armament race with you make una learn to read and understand.

Do you know Martin Luther? I respect him a lot for what he did to make the bible available for everyone.
Catholicism can't be that same religion the early church practice

tctrills:
You are right, they did not write the bible but they decided what books should be in the bible as we know it today. Remember, there were so many books but the Catholics decided to bring some together and give us the bible as we know it now.
And I would love to have this discussion with you about hell

MaxInDHouse:


I don't hate righteousness, what i detest is when lawlessness joins hands with hypocrisy! If you're here to criticize God's word as an atheist i'll welcome you with open arms since you don't uphold any form of teaching, but when you come in to criticize organized form of worship yet claiming you also believe in God and you're not ready to present a better option then i will call you "an agent of Satan" because that's the only Bible character who wants everyone to be independent of organized form of worship! John 8:44 compare to Genesis 3:4-5

That's what happens when you keep placing unnecessary remarks and embargo on. People, you have to keep watching your back and suspicious and suspicion everywhere

Na your problem o cos i didn't invite you, everyone was giving his own opinion and i was supporting mine.
Nobody was contending with anybody.
Biko

achorladey:


Simple as it is, do you see me quote the law on blood in the first place? Who brought the law of blood into the discussion in the first place?



I am not in an armament race with you make una learn to read and understand.

cornelboy:
Do you know Martin Luther? I respect him a lot for what he did to make the bible available for everyone.
Catholicism can't be that same religion the early church practice

Which came first, Catholicism or Martin Luther?

Do you respect the Catholic too for their works regarding the Bible too?

cornelboy:
Na your problem o cos i didn't invite you, everyone was giving his own opinion and i was supporting mine.
Nobody was contending with anybody.
Biko

It is a a forum, nairaland forum. Understand what it is. You don't have to invite me.

I have only brought a scripture cited into close examination. Learn.

cornelboy:
Do you know Martin Luther? I respect him a lot for what he did to make the bible available for everyone.
Catholicism can't be that same religion the early church practice

That's the point. Let's assume you are right. Yet the bible as we know it was collected and abridged by them. The Catholics decided what got into the bible. they decided to make the new testament 27 books even though many more books were written by the apostles. So if you think they are really of the devil how come you are comfortable believing their bible.
That's the point I am making. We criticize the Catholics but we somehow believe they did right with the bible. Somehow, you believe the Catholics were right in omitting so many books from the bible