Thinktwicemybro:

Like I said your claim is misleading.
1. I have watched the videos of the man of God past Chris and what you are saying now is not the point.

2. What he said is that those gospel singers has turned gospel music into a money career, which was not how he raised them.
how did he raise them? singing for the church and not being appreciated? how many of them are being appreciated ministrying to the church?

3. He said the go from church to church, crusade to crusade all for money without having allegence to any particular church.
all for money? did you forget they go to minister to people in these crusades not only for the money?
all of them have their allegiance to the church CE and remember, pastor Chris used to give them cash gifts annually showing they are part of CE

4. He said on Sunday some of them are too tired to attend church service.
5. According to him this is the last days and if these gospel singers continue this way, they could miss it.
so that's the reason he termed their songs worldy?

6. He advised they should pay aligence to a particular church and if they won't do that, they should not join the church choir.
7. Incase you don't know some of them have quit their music career and focus on church ministry as instructed.
music is a calling, you cannot quit it and church ministry done without fund is annoying, you cannot be a pastor without funds

8. Those who do not obey are winding down because you cannot prosper in disobedience.
like who? pls stop this talk, which disobedience?
the same way a pastor gets paid for the work he does, so should the music minsters
even the new choir is being funded, clothed and managed by the pastor and probably being paid

9. Making money from Gospel music is like selling evangelism and those who did it in the past are no longer heard of.
like who?
so what of the pastors, are they sellers of evangelism?


personally for me I don't think a gospel musician should rate themselves above their churches. that's all I can say, attend church or watch the video on YouTube yourself.

some vital info you have no idea of underground is responsible for this sudden turn around
how many CE churches worldwide can afford to raise a choir like the hq.
so many things to say but i rest my case

Image123:


Oga open your own church and don't invite them, they don't need your invitation to be who they are for God. Pastor Kumuyi and other pastors will invite them. You and yourself cannot block the road for others.

You don't even know me. For your information, I pastor a church.
You don't sound to me as someone who is truly saved and sanctified.
It is obvious from the way you responded to me.
God bless you as you give your life to Jesus today.
Shalom.

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my brother/sister, you need a change of heart truly

I'm a brother.
So you want me to have a chance of heart from good and godly to bad and worldly?
I understand you are a female.
Your gender is the problem of the church.
Remove females from the church and all the churches will dress alike, we won't know Deeper Life apart from Christ Embassy.
Anywhere your gender goes they bring their worldliness with them.
Is it godly for a supposed Christian female to wear tight fitting clothes, laps-revealing skirt, cleavage-exposing tops?
The problem your female ancestor Eve caused in Eden the whole world is still suffering from it till tomorrow.
And, like the agent of Satan that you people are you're advising me to have a change of heart from loving and seeking holiness to tolerating worldliness.
Repent.
Shalom.

nzeobi:


Oga I didn't hear from you again or should I mail you.

yeah boss mail or you drop your WhatsApp number.

xeju:

But you Christians claim it's the Bible and holy spirit that direct your lives, so how are doctrines manmade? The church led by Jesus has manmade doctrines to guide it? Do yo know what you're typing about sef?

Christianity is an individual race. Carry your cross and follow Jesus.
The gathering of the brethren is for encouragement of one another.
Any doctrine that's subject to modern adaptation is not holy spirit inspired. The Bible say test the spirit to know which one is true.
Simple.

SIRTee15:
Christianity is an individual race. Carry your cross and follow Jesus.
The gathering of the brethren is for encouragement of one another.
Any doctrine that's subject to modern adaptation is not holy spirit inspired. The Bible say test the spirit to know which one is true.
Simple.

Wrong! Instead any doctrine and tradition that is in any way different from that taught or commanded by Jesus Christ Himself is not of God but of men(and their churches) - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. And these doctrines and traditions of men, which Jesus Christ proclaimed are nothing but lies , are born of the lying tongues of men like your mogs.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Instead any doctrine and tradition that is in any way different from that taught or commanded by Jesus Christ Himself is not of God but of men(and their churches) - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. And these doctrines and traditions of men, which Jesus Christ proclaimed are nothing but lies , are born of the lying tongues of men like your mogs.

It's the same. The teaching and commandment of Jesus is eternal. It not at the mercy of some modern way of thinking or new age theory.
Any doctrine or belief that's been modified over time to fit into modern lifestyle is not from Jesus Christ. They were created by men.
Or do you know of any commandment from Jesus that's been recodified from it's original intent to meet modern way of thinking standard?

TechSpecialist:
yeah boss mail or you drop your WhatsApp number.

+63 965 761 3773 am expecting your message

daughters13:
The anti-indecency campaigner and deeper life member, Prince Dele Banjo has staged a peaceful protest at the Deeper Life Headquarters at Gbagada, Lagos.

The protest is in connection with the introduction of unconventional music to Deeper Life.

Prince Dele Banjo stated:

"We are surprised about the introduction of unconventional music as well as the invitation of Gospel rock stars to Deeper Life. We are also surprised about the invitation of local Christian musicians that are not advocates of modesty to deeper life.

We are surprised because pastor Kumuyi who is our father in the Lord did not raise us his children with such music. Instead, he raised us with modesty, holiness and the belief that we should worship God with our book of hymns alone using low toned and humble songs.

Pastor Kumuyi was the one that taught us all we know about modesty and holiness, so we are surprised that our teacher is changing direction and he is inviting international Gospel rock stars and local musicians that are not advocates of modesty to come and sing at deeper life.

We strongly believe that as a holiness church, deeper life ought to stick with our choir and our God given hymn book alone. We don't need unnecessary noise from these American gospel rockstars and these local Christian musicians.

Our God given and humble choir at deeper life that consists of those lovely teenagers, keyboardists and trumpeters is enough for us at deeper life.

Since he is our father in the Lord, we hereby request an explanation from him; we want to our dear father in the Lord to defend the invitation of rockstars and local Christian musicians that are not advocates of modesty.

We hold in our hands the book of hymns in order to prove to everyone that all we need in deeper life is our God given book of hymns.


Thank you very much"

Who composeed the hymns ? What makes songs from Dunsin,Nathaniel Bassey,Don moen less spiritual ?

Kobojunkie:
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I have personally not baptized anyone in the last 3 years.

Could it mean that you have dropped a direct command from Christ?

Mat 28:19:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"


Most of the times baptism is done in our various denominations by the clergy. But that is not what the command states. Every disciple aught to baptise converts. It's not only you, it applies to almost all of us.

The tradition of the clergy alone doing baptism is a MAN MADE TRADITION!

TenQ:

Could it mean that you have dropped a direct command from Christ?

Mat 28:19:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Most of the times baptism is done in our various denominations by the clergy. But that is not what the command states. Every disciple aught to baptise converts. It's not only you, it applies to almost all of us.

The tradition of the clergy alone doing baptism is a MAN MADE TRADITION!

my reason for not having baptized anyone in the last 3 years has nothing to do with some clergymen and there misguided beliefs where God is concerned. Instead, the reason is simply that I haven't met anyone who believes and wants to be baptized in order to be saved - Mark 16 vs 15 - 18.

Kobojunkie:
my reason for not having baptized anyone in the last 3 years has nothing to do with some clergymen and there misguided beliefs where God is concerned. Instead, the reason is simply that I haven't met anyone who believes and wants to be baptized in order to be saved - Mark 16 vs 15 - 18.

Not one person in three years?

That's not a good report card sir!

TenQ:
Not one person in three years?

That's not a good report card sir!

A good report card for whom? Man or God? If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, how is that a bad thing?

Kobojunkie:
A good report card for whom? Man or God? If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, how is that a bad thing?

Making disciples for Christ come before baptising them.

Not a single person in three years IF YOU DONT KNOW sir is a sign of spiritual inactivity!

Gospel2Day:


You don't even know me. For your information, I pastor a church.
You don't sound to me as someone who is truly saved and sanctified.
It is obvious from the way you responded to me.
God bless you as you give your life to Jesus today.
Shalom.

Good for you, at least you don't have the editing rights to the book of life.
Oga pastor, don't invite them, they don't need your invitation to be who they are for God. Pastor Kumuyi and other pastors will invite them. You and yourself cannot block the road for others.

TenQ:

Making disciples for Christ come before baptising them.

Not a single person in three years IF YOU DONT KNOW sir is a sign of spiritual inactivity!

You didn't answer my question though.

A good report card for whom? Man or God? If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, how is that a bad thing?

We are not sent out to force discipleship on people but to instead teach the Truth of God and baptize those who believe. Unless a soul is receptive, there is nothing you can do about it. Our job is to plant the Word of God where God leads us to doing so, and allow it grow as it will.

Gospel2Day:

my brother/sister, you need a change of heart truly

I'm a brother.
So you want me to have a chance of heart from good and godly to bad and worldly?
I understand you are a female.
Your gender is the problem of the church.
Remove females from the church and all the churches will dress alike, we won't know Deeper Life apart from Christ Embassy.
Anywhere your gender goes they bring their worldliness with them.
Is it godly for a supposed Christian female to wear tight fitting clothes, laps-revealing skirt, cleavage-exposing tops?
The problem your female ancestor Eve caused in Eden the whole world is still suffering from it till tomorrow.
And, like the agent of Satan that you people are you're advising me to have a change of heart from loving and seeking holiness to tolerating worldliness.
Repent.
Shalom.

Wow, as in wow squared. Oga pastor, you are so blind. Being a misogynist is a sickness, treat it early sir.

Gospel2Day:


I have no problem with the both of Brothers Dunsin and Nathaniel.
The issue about them is that they do not publicly denounce worldliness and promote modesty. I love and listen to their songs, but I can't invite them to come and sing in my church because they will bring their female backups who are worldly in their appearance.
As per the Scriptural references, check 1 Timothy 2 : 9.

I read in context of that scripture.
I think the issue you have with their female backups is that they don't dress the way you are expect them to stress.

Your clothes don't have to be overtly long or oversized to show that you are spiritual.
As long as you don't expose sensitive parts of your body nor dress too flashily, you are good to go.

The central idea behind this scripture you quoted is modesty and motive behind women's dressing.

Modesty has variations due to background, knowledge of the scripture, personal relationship with God etc. But one thing common to all is-Modest dressing is done to honour God, not exposing the body nor driving too much attention to your dressing du to its flashy state.

Kobojunkie:
You didn't answer my question though.

A good report card for whom? Man or God? If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, how is that a bad thing?

We are not sent out to force discipleship on people but to instead teach the Truth of God and baptize those who believe. Unless a soul is receptive, there is nothing you can do about it. Our job is to plant the Word of God where God leads us to doing so, and allow it grow as it will.

And in three years you bore no fruit!?
Who is it to blame?

Maybe your real life is not like the Christ of whose message you are required to preach!

TenQ:
1. And in three years you bore no fruit!?
Who is it to blame?

Maybe your real life is not like the Christ of whose message you are required to preach!

1. I never said I have no fruits, so what do you mean? Or are you assuming that fruits implies number of souls won or something, an idea popular among you churchians?

2. Again, If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said, and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, why do you see that as a bad thing?

Kobojunkie:
1. I never said I have no fruits, so what do you mean? Or are you assuming that fruits implies number of souls won or something, an idea popular among you churchians?

You want to despise a direct commandment?
Make Disciples and baptise them. When you do this, you are bearing fruit for Christ.

Kobojunkie:

2. Again, If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said, and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, why do you see that as a bad thing?

You are to go into all the world and preach not to selected creations
Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation

TenQ:
1. You want to despise a direct commandment?
Make Disciples and baptise them. When you do this, you are bearing fruit for Christ.

2. You are to go into all the world and preach not to selected creations
Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation

1. I have absolutely against God's commandment, this since I have been obeying it regularly for a while now. What I have a problem with is your twist on it.

Where exactly did Jesus Christ tell you that it is in making disciples that you bear fruits as a branch on the vine that is He?

2. Yet when Jesus Christ sent His followers into the World, they were, each of them, led by the Spirit of God to specific places and individuals?

Kobojunkie:
1. I have absolutely against God's commandment, this since I have been obeying it regularly for a while now. What I have a problem with is your twist on it.

Where exactly did Jesus Christ tell you that it is in making disciples that you bear fruits as a branch on the vine that is He?

2. Yet when Jesus Christ sent His followers into the World, they were, each of them, led by the Spirit of God to specific places and individuals?

Remember the parable of the sower!
The word of God should be broadcast.
Amongst the growths will be those on the good soil.

Except you chose concrete as your broadcast arena, I'll be surprised that in three years, not one seed fell on the good soil!

TenQ:

Remember the parable of the sower!
The word of God should be broadcast.
Amongst the growths will be those on the good soil.

Except you chose concrete as your broadcast arena, I'll be surprised that in three years, not one seed fell on the good soil!

You didn't answer my questions to you...

Again....

1. Where exactly did Jesus Christ tell you that it is in making disciples that you bear fruits as a branch on the vine that is He?

2. Yet when Jesus Christ sent His followers into the World, they were, each of them, led by the Spirit of God to specific places and individuals?

3. Also, If God is the one to lead me as Jesus Christ said, and He has yet to lead me to a one needing to be baptized in all 3 years, why do you see that as a bad thing?

Kobojunkie:
You didn't answer my questions to you...

Again....

1. I have absolutely nothing against God's commandment, this since I have been obeying it regularly for a while now. What I have a problem with is your twist on it.

Where exactly did Jesus Christ tell you that it is in making disciples that you bear fruits as a branch on the vine that is He?

Where did Jesus say that making disciples is NOT bearing fruit?

Bearing fruit is obeying the direct command of Christ, isn't it?
Matthew 13:23
And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”

I have decided to speak to you on obeying a direct commandment because obedience causes us to bear fruit.

Kobojunkie:

2. Yet when Jesus Christ sent His followers into the World, they were, each of them, led by the Spirit of God to specific places and individuals ?

I don't know where you got the highlighted?

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead you to anyone in three full years?

TenQ:
1. Where did Jesus say that making disciples is NOT bearing fruit?

Bearing fruit is obeying the direct command of Christ, isn't it?
Matthew 13:23
And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”

2. I have decided to speak to you on obeying a direct commandment because obedience causes us to bear fruit.

3. I don't know where you got the highlighted?

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead you to anyone in three full years?

1. Recall Jesus Christ taught us that " By their fruits, you shall know them...", this in regards to identifying those who belong to Him from those who don't, this in Matthew 7 vs 15 -23. So I am certain Jesus Christ didn't mean those who belong to Him are those who "win souls" or have baptized souls.

2. Indeed obedience of Jesus Christ's commandments causes us to bear fruits of obedience but the identity of said fruits is is question here since you seem to assume it means one particular thing here were Jesus Christ never even indicated that was of importance.

Do I preach the gospel in obedience to Jesus Christ commandment? Absolutely, so I suggesting that my not having baptized is a sign of disobedience is something serous and i would appreciate to explaining where you get this idea from and why.

3. The disciples were in Jerusalem because Jesus Christ directed them to remain there until the Spirit of God arrived. After the Spirit arrived, He then sent them to different locations and to individuals as well. Eg. Peter's mission to the house of Cornelius.

God has indeed led me to several places for several reasons in the last 3 years but still I have not baptized anyone in that time. Are you suggesting God hasn't been doing a good enough job at leading me because I have yet to baptize anyone in all that time?

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall Jesus Christ taught us that " By their fruits, you shall know them...", this in regards to identifying those who belong to Him from those who don't, this in Matthew 7 vs 15 -23. So I am certain Jesus Christ didn't mean those who belong to Him are those who "win souls" or have baptized souls.

2. Indeed obedience of Jesus Christ's commandments causes us to bear fruits of obedience but the identity of said fruits is is question here since you seem to assume it means one particular thing here were Jesus Christ never even indicated that was of importance.

Do I preach the gospel in obedience to Jesus Christ commandment? Absolutely, so I suggesting that my not having baptized is a sign of disobedience is something serous and i would appreciate to explaining where you get this idea from and why.

3. The disciples were in Jerusalem because Jesus Christ directed them to remain there until the Spirit of God arrived. After the Spirit arrived, He then sent them to different locations and to individuals as well. Eg. Peter's mission to the house of Cornelius.

God has indeed led me to several places for several reasons in the last 3 years but still I have not baptized anyone in that time. Are you suggesting God hasn't been doing a good enough job at leading me because I have yet to baptize anyone in all that time?

A direct command must be obeyed. Anyone who obeys the direct command of Christ is bearing fruit.

Its a challenge to work harder to all of us.

TenQ:

A direct command must be obeyed. Anyone who obeys the direct command of Christ is bearing fruit.

Its a challenge to work harder to all of us.

Work harder at what exactly?

Kobojunkie:
Work harder at what exactly?

At obeying fully all Christ's direct commands!

TenQ:

At obeying fully all Christ's direct commands!

Again, if I have so far been obeying His command to teach His Gospel to those in the world, yet none of those I have taught have seen fit to repent and be baptized by me to be saved, for instance, what exactly are my to work harder at?

BennyDGreat:


I read in context of that scripture.
I think the issue you have with their female backups is that they don't dress the way you are expect them to stress.

Your clothes don't have to be overtly long or oversized to show that you are spiritual.
As long as you don't expose sensitive parts of your body nor dress too flashily, you are good to go.

The central idea behind this scripture you quoted is modesty and motive behind women's dressing.

Modesty has variations due to background, knowledge of the scripture, personal relationship with God etc. But one thing common to all is-Modest dressing is done to honour God, not exposing the body nor driving too much attention to your dressing du to its flashy state.

Google to see how godly women dressed a century ago and compare it with today.
You will notice that we're sliding into nudity even as Christians.
You don't get to define what is modest or immodest. Since time immemorial, a modest outfit covers from the neck to the ankle with sufficient space and room to hide not only sensitive body parts, but also body shape and outline.
If the Holy Spirit we claim to have now does not make us dress as modest as those He indwelt a century ago, then what indwells us is NOT the same Holy Spirit but a strange demonic religious spirit.
Shalom.

Image123:


Wow, as in wow squared. Oga pastor, you are so blind. Being a misogynist is a sickness, treat it early sir.

Contradict what I said above.
Are you females not the reason Muslims call Christianity the religion of nudity and indecency?
You have brought nothing but reproach and disgrace to the Faith Jesus shed His blood for.
Tell me how a supposed godly person will wear body-hugging, skin-tight, boobs-flaunting, thighs-revealing outfit.
You people need help seriously.
We are tired of the bad name and image your gender is giving to Christianity.
Change or leave the church for those who will shun worldly appearance.
Did Mary the mother of Jesus fix and paint her nails, did she wear fake hair, did she paint her face and lips, did she wear skirts that accentuate her butts?
You people want to claim you're Christians, but dress like Jezebel.
Repent. Hell fire awaits all of you, unless you quit your addiction to worldly fashion.
Shalom.