Jameseddi1:
[s]You also said on his way returning from Benin to Lagos.

No history account has it that awori enter Benin city from 16 15 century if there is any account or eyewitness you can bring it here.[/s]

[s]The only history account was Benin who always go to Eko to trade.

In Eko it was Awori/Ado or Edo citizen. As Awori begin to form superior that was when Oba of Benin send his War general Ashipa to go coordinate them. History never said awori crossed to Benin it was always Benin who went from their town to there.

So how did Yoruba now just wake up one morning and turn everything around?

In today Eko they are still some white chife cap and old Edo citizen in there before descendant now that only speak Yoruba ok because they speak Yoruba now they are now Yoruba origin?[/s]

TAO11:


“Some little time after the Olofin's death there began the peaceful penetration into Lagos of settlers from Benin. The Binis probably realised that they would not be able to occupy Lagos by force, as they had already been so decisively beaten in their attacks on Iddo, … permission was asked of the Lagos people for them [Binis] to land. This permission was granted, probably with no very good grace, although at that time Lagos island was very sparsely inhabited and there must have been room for many more settlers. … Some time after, the Binis began to attack the people on the mainland, and the leader of one of their marauding parties dying at Isheri, his remains were conveyed to Benin by one of the Isheri chiefs named Ashipa, …” ~ Sir A. C. Burns, (1929), p. 43.

All of these have been trashed in the preceding comment — a link to which is embedded below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/17#109687702

Cheers.

samuk:
[s]It has already been established by European eyewitness that visited Lagos in 1603 that the Oba of Benin own Lagos.[/s]

[s]Everyone that matters in Lagos from the Oba to his Chiefs acknowledged the Oba of Benin as their father.[/s]

[s]At the installation if every Lagos Chief, they perform a traditional salute to the Oba Benin.[/s]

[s]There are countless historical documents dating to the 1800s were the British were repeatedly reminded by various waring Lagos princes that the Oba of Benin had the final say on who becomes the Oba of Lagos[/s].

[s]Benin didn't just packed up and leave Lagos, like every other Benin garrison towns, the Benin ruling elites acquired the culture of the locals and blend in as centuries went by[/s].

[s]Benin arrived Lagos in the 1500s and was still very active in Lagos royal affairs till the 1800s, some faceless Nairalanders wants all to believe that all Benin people in Lagos died out and went extinct.[/s]

[s]How do you uproot a people that have owned and lived in a place for over 300 years.[/s]

[s]The views of these faceless Nairalanders doesn't count. Some of these guys from unknown part of yoruba villages likes to pretend they know the history of Lagos more than real Lagosians and the oba of Benin who European eyewitness told us owned the land in 1603.[/s]

samuk:


Hear from the real owners of Lagos.

The indigenous people of Lagos remained the Benins who the Aworis paid tributes to in Lagos according to Erelu of Lagos.

Aworis are still fighting for recognition.

Benin people ‘owned’ Lagos, Aworis paid royalties to them —Erelu Abiola Dosunmu - Vanguard News - https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:



Samuk

The funniest thing is that in the OTA War of 1942 when the Yorubas fought for Control of the Awori Owned Lagos Coast and Mainland Lagos

the Kingdom of Benin and was a Complete no show

By the way the Egbas of Abeokuta won the War and along with the Ijebu were in Complete Control of Mainland Lagos

samuk:


You have heard from Erelu of Lagos. If you chooses to believe TAO11 over Erelu Abiola Dosunmu of Lagos and others on the documentary, it's your right to believe what you want. Believing what you want is different from what is established truth.

According to the documentary which had Lagos royalty and government officials, Aworis are still fighting for recognition.

Aworis are not officially recognised as indigines or owners of Lagos, it's the Benin descendants led by the Oba of Lagos that are recognised.

You can see why I said earlier that your views here on Nairaland doesn't matter.

Benin empire ended in 1897, but left Benin people in their various garrison town to rule over those places as the elite ruling classes and senior chiefs.

samuk:


You have heard from Erelu of Lagos. If you chooses to believe TAO11 over Erelu Abiola Dosunmu of Lagos and others on the documentary, it's your right to believe what you want. Believing what you want is different from what is established truth.

According to the documentary which had Lagos royalty and government officials, Aworis are still fighting for recognition.


Aworis are not officially recognised as indigines or owners of Lagos, it's the Benin descendants led by the Oba of Lagos that are recognised.

You can see why I said earlier that your views here on Nairaland doesn't matter.

Benin empire ended in 1897, but left Benin people in their various garrison towns such as Lagos to rule over those places as the elite ruling classes and senior chiefs.

Why will Benin fight in Yoruba War of 1942.

samuk:
[s]You have heard from Erelu of Lagos. If you chooses to believe TAO11 over Erelu Abiola Dosunmu of Lagos and others on the documentary, it's your right to believe what you want. Believing what you want is different from what is established truth.
According to the documentary which had Lagos royalty and government officials, Aworis are still fighting for recognition.
are not officially recognised as indigines or owners of Lagos, it's the Benin descendants led by the Oba of Lagos that are recognised.
You can see why I said earlier that your views here on Nairaland doesn't matter.
Benin empire ended in 1897, but left Benin people in their various garrison towns such as Lagos to rule over those places as the elite ruling classes and senior chiefs.
Why will Benin fight in Yoruba War of 1942[/s]

samuk:
[s]Hear from the real owners of Lagos.

The indigenous people of Lagos remained the Benins who the Aworis paid tributes to in Lagos according to Erelu of Lagos.[/s]

[s]Aworis are still fighting for recognition[/s]

[s]Benin people ‘owned’ Lagos, Aworis paid royalties to them —Erelu Abiola Dosunmu - Vanguard News - https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ[/s]

christistruth01:




Ok listen to the Oba of Lagos Himself

At 25 mins of the Video below what exactly did the oba of lagos mean when he Said
"i am a yoruba monarch" ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0IK0SL9s0&t=1740s

samuk:
[s]The point is Aworis and others are not officially recognised as indigines of Lagos. It's Benin descendant that are recognised, everyone else are not.

The Lagos state government have not officially recognised the Aworis as indigines of Lagos. They are still fighting to be recognised. Didn't you hear this part of the documentary.

An Awori TAO11 is not officially recognised by Lagos state government as an indigine of Lagos, only Benin descendants are recognised as the indigines of Lagos.[/s]

samuk:


The point is Aworis and others are not officially recognised as indigines of Lagos. It's Benin descendant that are recognised, everyone else are not.

The Lagos state government have not officially recognised the Aworis as indigines of Lagos. They are still fighting to be recognised. Didn't you hear this part of the documentary.

An Awori TAO11 is not officially recognised by Lagos state government as an indigine of Lagos, only Benin descendants are recognised as the indigines of Lagos.

christistruth01:




Listen very Carefully


For the one thousandth time oba of lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of lagos”





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno


The link will take you to the Video on YouTube

samuk:
[s]There is difference between Benin owning Lagos as of today and Benin owning Lagos in the past which Benin descendants inherited.[/s]

[s]Benin as an empire ended in 1897. Benin arrived Lagos in 1500s. There is European eyewitness accounts that confirmed the oba of Benin was the owner of Lagos in 1603.[/s]

[s]The descendants of Benin who have been living and multiplying in Lagos since the 1500s didn't return to Benin after the empire ended in 1897, they stayed behind and inherited Lagos, in addition they blend into the yoruba culture which became the dominant culture as people from neighbouring yoruba towns moved into Lagos in large numbers.

However and as you must have heard from the documentary in which both Lagos governments officials and Lagos royalty contributed, the Aworis have been fighting to be officially recognised as indigines of Lagos.

Benin descendant are the only ones recognised as indigines of Lagos.

Even though the Benin descendants could be argued to now be culturally yoruba but they are still preventing others such as the Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas etc from being recognised as original Lagos indigines.

They may all be culturally yoruba, but the difference is still very clear between the Benin ruling class and their Yoruba Aworis, etc subjects.

The British Royal family is of German descents. Does Germany own Britain. The British people remain subjects to their German descendant Royal family.

The British Royal family are now culturally British just as the Lagos Benin Royal family are now culturally yoruba.[/s]

samuk:


There is difference between Benin owning Lagos as of today and Benin owning Lagos in the past which Benin descendants inherited.

Benin as an empire ended in 1897. Benin arrived Lagos in 1500s. There is European eyewitness accounts that confirmed the oba of Benin was the owner of Lagos in 1603.

The descendants of Benin who have been living and multiplying in Lagos since the 1500s didn't return to Benin after the empire ended in 1897, they stayed behind and inherited Lagos, in addition they blend into the yoruba culture which became the dominant culture as people from neighbouring yoruba towns moved into Lagos in large numbers.

However and as you must have heard from the documentary in which both Lagos governments officials and Lagos royalty contributed, the Aworis have been fighting to be officially recognised as indigines of Lagos.

Benin descendant are the only ones recognised as indigines of Lagos.

Even though the Benin descendants could be argued to now be culturally yoruba but they are still preventing others such as the Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas etc from being recognised as original Lagos indigines.

They may all be culturally yoruba, but the difference is still very clear between the Benin ruling class and their Yoruba Aworis, etc subjects.

The British Royal family is of German descents. Does Germany own Britain. The British people remain subjects to their German descendant Royal family.

The British Royal family are now culturally British just as the Lagos Benin Royal family are now culturally yoruba.

TAO11:


Firstly, we Yorubas know that our kings & chiefs do not automatically become historians by virtue of coronation.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:




Yoruba Aworis are from Ile Ife those with any Benin links are at most 5%


Even the first Oba of Lagos was Awori of Isheri Origin, it was his mother that was a Princess from Benin

TAO11:
Well, sorry it never did at any point in time.

You want to know where Benin owns?

Benin own Benin city. Yeah I know it’s a trashy place.

The eyewitness report never used the word “Lagos” to even start with.

The most it mentions is a town “Lago”. And it indicates this “Lago” as:

(a) A town on the island, (b) occupying a piece of that island, (c) while other towns occupy same island.

As such, Lagos as it is known is not what is referred to in that 1603-1604 report as “Lago”.

Moreover, the means/right of ownership of that town “Lago” by the Binis is not specified in the report.

It took the Lagos account to clarify that the ownershi is by conferment. The native Yorùbá owners conferre the right of that piece of the island to the Binis

Benin never owned Lagos at any point in time.

Otherwise, Aworis won’t be the owner of all the land.

Kisses

samuk:
[s]And yet the Aworis are still fighting to be officially recognised as Lagos indigines or you didn’t listen to the documentary. Listen again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ[/s]

samuk:
[s]The reality on ground is the Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas and even the returned Brazilian whose ancestors returned in 1830s are all still struggling to be officially recognised as indigines of Lagos. The Benin descendants have that monopoly.[/s]

christistruth01:
Is it the Benin that are fighting Itsekiri over Ologbo a Town the Itsekiri have lived in for over 5 Centuries and Benin that is fighting Ijaw for Gelegele that Ijaws have lived in for Centuries too,,is it that Benin that will Conquer and Subdue a Place and not immediately Seize all the Land

Impossible Benin ain't that Generous

samuk:


The reality on ground is the Aworis, Ijebus, Egbas and even the returned Brazilian whose ancestors returned in 1830s are all still struggling to be officially recognised as indigines of Lagos. The Benin descendants have that monopoly.

christistruth01:



Is it the Benin that are fighting Itsekiri over Ologbo a Town the Itsekiri have lived in for over 5 Centuries and Benin that is fighting Ijaw for Gelegele that Ijaws have lived in for Centuries too,,is it that Benin that will Conquer a Place and not immediately Seize all the Land

Impossible

samuk:
[s]The beauty of a forum like this is that it's not only yoruba people that read these stuffs, other with good ears, eyes and brains also come here to read.

The reality according to Lagos state, historians, government officials and royalty is Aworis are still fighting to be officially recognised as indigines.

It doesn't matter what any yoruba says here. The only officially recognised indigines of Lagos are Benin descendant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ[/s]

TAO11:
Sorry, we are the indigene.

From Badagry on the west, to Lekki on the east. From V.I. on the south to Ikorodu on the north.

You wanna guess who is recognized by the State (even as depicted by the “coat of arms”)??

Yes, it is the Yoruba owners. See attached.

You wanna guess who does not have a land to point to as their own (even a plot)??

Guess. Just take a wild guess.

Cheers.

Cc: Christistruth01

samuk:
[s]In your dreams, you are only a Lagos indigine in your dreams, not according to Lagos state government, royalty and historians.

Aunt Erelu, please talk to this imposter Lagos wannabe indigine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyELCBM6ORQ[/s]

christistruth01:




Awori don't need any official Recognition because they are the owners of Lagos

They are the ones that Award Recognition

samuk:
[s]Really? Aworis own lands, yet not officially recognised by the Lagos state government and royalty.

The way some yoruba people hide behind we are Lagosians to insults others, you will think they themselves are officially recognised as Lagos indigines by the Lagos state government and royalty.

We now know that most yoruba claims to Lagos as indigines are illegitimate and not recognised by the government. They may all speak yoruba but the Benin descendants amongst them are very shrewd. Looking at the Erelu of Lagos, it's easy to see that Benin blood flowing through her veins.

How is TAO11 going to sleep tonight with this kind of monumental revelations.[/s]

SirNewtonNG:


Omo, no mercy le lei o. I'm starting to believe the bini boys assertion you are transgender

samuk:


In the face of the revelation that TAO11 Awori people are not officially recognised as Lagos indigines. Do you still see her now as transgender AKA bobrisky of nairaland?

TAO11:
Well sorry.

Oba Akiolu and Lagos State Government are superior to that Erelu.

Oba Akiolu said (on camera) that Eko was not owned by Benin.

Lagos State Government recognize Awori even on its coat of arms.

Not a single recognition was accorded by the Govt for Benin in this coat of arms.

See attachment for:

(1) The white cap

(2) The Akoko leaves.

(3) Awori traditional occupation, etc.

---

Not one atom of recognition was accorded to Benin.

Cry yourself to sleep as always. Or be contented with your backwater in Edo state. Thief.

Cheers.

Cc: Christistruth01

Christistruth00:
Tao11

Watch this O !

The Ooni Of Ife In 1903 in Lagos and in the Prescence of the British Colonial Governor listing the names of the 21 Obas under him that derive their Crowns from Ile Ife, Benin is among them O !!

And there was no record of Benin Protesting about it O!!!