charlesemeka85:
imaging where you are referring to, 1996? The same reason that made many believe that since we won Brazil and Argentina then that we should beat them silly anytime we meet them

Oga football done evolve so get rid of this ur 1960 mentality. The nff tapping to a practice that is common in world football today even amongst the best in the continent and world football I see nothing wrong with that

The aim is to have a group of talented, exposed and tactically disciplined players that can withstand the best from the continent or the world on general

Atlanta 1996 na wey u carry em matter come for 2022, imagine the gap self

TheGoodJoe:


You are just talking story. There is a point to it and you are not talking about the point. The point is simple. With dedication, teamwork, and passion, you can beat a top side with better talents. You can go far in the competition.

This is not the 1996 analogy. It is a fact about football. It has happened over and over again in the past. It will keep happening tomorrow and in years to come.

What is the use of tactically disciplined players if their minds are not with the team?

charlesemeka85:
you are not the one to determine who is dedicated when invited if you are not the coach

Ademola lookman once turned us down and kept us waiting for almost 4 years before switching to us does that mean he is not dedicated to the teams course?

No one is forcing any player to switch to us and before any will make up their mind to play for us their mind must hv been made up for the task ahead and whatever it entails to rep us

If u like gather 23 dedicated carpenters who lacks common footballing knowledge,technique and tactical awareness their dedication can’t take them anywhere in world football

Moreover the Atlanta 96 team u made reference to had 80% of the team playing for decent and top clubs in Europe then

Amuneke was with sporting Lisbon

Kanu just won the ucl with Ajax

Babayaro was balling hard at anderlecht

Jay jay was in the bundesliga with Frankfurt

Olise was in reggiana abi fc koln

West was with auxerre in ligue 1 which was one of France top teams then

Mobi oparaku was in Belgium

Babaginda was in Holland

Ikpeba was lighting the French league with goals in the colors of Monaco under the tutelage of arsenal wenger

Okechukwu was a top performer for Turkish giants fenebahche

Amokachi was with Everton

So tell me how this talented bunch mention above were just all about dedication?

charlesemeka85:
you are not the one to determine who is dedicated when invited if you are not the coach

Ademola lookman once turned us down and kept us waiting for almost 4 years before switching to us does that mean he is not dedicated to the teams course?

No one is forcing any player to switch to us and before any will make up their mind to play for us their mind must hv been made up for the task ahead and whatever it entails to rep us

If u like gather 23 dedicated carpenters who lacks common footballing knowledge,technique and tactical awareness their dedication can’t take them anywhere in world football

Moreover the Atlanta 96 team u made reference to had 80% of the team playing for decent and top clubs in Europe then

Amuneke was with sporting Lisbon

Kanu just won the ucl with Ajax

Babayaro was balling hard at anderlecht

Jay jay was in the bundesliga with Frankfurt

Olise was in reggiana abi fc koln

West was with auxerre in ligue 1 which was one of France top teams then

Mobi oparaku was in Belgium

Babaginda was in Holland

Ikpeba was lighting the French league with goals in the colors of Monaco under the tutelage of arsenal wenger

Okechukwu was a top performer for Turkish giants fenebahche

Amokachi was with Everton

So tell me how this talented bunch mention above were just all about dedication?

TheGoodJoe:


Can you compare Amunike, Kanu, Okocha, Oliseh to the likes of Ronaldo De Lima, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Juninho, Bebeto, Dunga etc. Chill, I beg, Brazil had a gulf in class of players above us.

Also, stop painting a false picture. Our players are not carpenters. So we are not dropping these big head players for carpenters. As long as these players are bigger than the team, they should stay bigger than the team.

TheGoodJoe:


Can you compare Amunike, Kanu, Okocha, Oliseh to the likes of Ronaldo De Lima, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Juninho, Bebeto, Dunga etc. Chill, I beg, Brazil had a gulf in class of players above us.

Also, stop painting a false picture. Our players are not carpenters. So we are not dropping these big head players for carpenters. As long as these players are bigger than the team, they should stay bigger than the team.

Eizzy003:
I just da laugh most of wanna for this thread, they sentiments and double standard wer wanna da practice ehhh, I remember last week most of you guys here wer bashing and insulting Hudson Odoi simply because he said he was only going to play for Ghana after the world cup qualifiers, most of you here insulted him and called him glory hunter, that if he were to be a Nigerian you guys will never allow him into the team, cos he doesn't want to suffer with the team during qualifiers but he wants to enjoy in the world cup.
Now Olise has said the same thing (that he is going to play for the SE after the qualifiers)
and you guys are here praising him for making a right decision, for accepting to switch blah blah blah.
Mak wanna remember sa what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

elyte89:



Well....even though dts his intention too,to rep us at d world cup if we qualify... However juxtaposing the two comments..odoi said point blank DT he would only switch "if" Ghana qualifies(dts a conditional statement ,his switching hinges on Ghana's qualification, however for oliseh statement he said,"after" d Ghana's games..meaning he would be willing to join us once we are through with d Ghana fixture's whether we qualify or not

So oliseh choice of words is d difference here ,although deep down we sabi say oliseh dey eye any country wey go qualify btw us and Algeria

charlesemeka85:
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charlesemeka85:


I never told you jay jay and his mates were better than ronaldo,rivaldo,Ortega,crespo etc but we’re already doing well in top and decent clubs in Europe then which implies their talent and exposure were never in doubt so the chances of creating such upset against almighty Brazil and Argentina was possible no matter how slim the chance was

The same almighty Brazil cameroon knocked them out with 2 men down in Sydney 2000 enroute to wining gold

humility33:


Just say you want Equeavon to keep inviting Nwakali likes

Just say it

U see Prof. Me I am tired of watching those kind of players put on the GwG
Nothing wrong in the NFF reaching out to this lads

Currently Nigeria is not attractive- football wise

Had it been we won the afcon this guys won't have hesitate pitch tenth with us...so I won't blame them especially Olise

humility33:


Just say you want Equeavon to keep inviting Nwakali likes

Just say it

U see Prof. Me I am tired of watching those kind of players put on the GwG
Nothing wrong in the NFF reaching out to this lads

Currently Nigeria is not attractive- football wise

Had it been we won the afcon this guys won't have hesitate pitch tenth with us...so I won't blame them especially Olise

mostob:
He will...with a two page thesis though, totally deviating from the main point.

TheGoodJoe:


That is the point. So what are we humiliating ourselves begging these pre-Madonnas. Let us have a reach out to us policy and keep building ourselves. The better we becomes, we will have these players chasing us.

Let us prioritize our youth system. Even at club levels and keep raising talents. We can grow. Even with our current group of players, we can go places.

Let us have an open door policy for players to reach to us when they are ready.

jihday:
that’s his style, he either ignore or type totally unrelated gibberish, to counter am sef go tire you

TheGoodJoe:


I want us to have the best players in every role willing and passionate to play for the team. I do not have preferred names but better players. I always like competition and the team improving. I already pointed out I want us focused on youth development. Meaning, I want every role challenged continuously.

So leave that Nwakali talk.

The most important team is the team should have players passionate to play for us and we should stop this red carpet treatment.

JohnBullMySon:
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World cup is in December and not April. We have an entire AFCON qualifier to play between that. So stop making it sound like he's just coming to play World Cup.

charlesemeka85:
that Cameroon Olympic made the core of the team that dominated Africa for so many years so they were no flash on the pan

13large:


Dennis didn’t say no, the NFF did not meet his deadline invitations

TheGoodJoe:


That is the point. You do not need the best players in the world to make an impact. With the right group of quality players, you can create havoc.

The Brazilian team had better talents than Cameroon, but Cameroon gave them hell.

Let us stop making it look that without the very best Nigerians, we can not excel. We should wish Adarabioyo, Oliseh, Eze, and co the best. Keep working on developing ourselves.

Change this begging policy and run an open door policy. Let them have a channel to reach out to the NFF if they are interested. Until then, stop trying to convince players to play for us.

charlesemeka85:
if you want us to have the best you won’t discourage the process of tapping kids from the diaspora that has links with us

Getting good home bred players mixed with few we can grab from Europe will only make the team stronger to compete with the best in the world

charlesemeka85:
oga in all ramifications of life or profession if you don’t hv the best u ain’t going no where

This your dedication Yeyeye is just emotional and sentimentally based

If you like gather carpenters from Lobi,Kano pillars,Enugu rangers,heartland fc,plateau United,enyimba etc you won’t do shit against the best in the world in terms of football

TheGoodJoe:


That should stop. We should have a policy that they reach out to us. We should focus more on youth development. We can raise a mean squad if we channel much effort to keep raising high-grade players from the youth level. We raised Ndidi, Iheanacho, Osimhen, Omeruo, Awoniyi, Isaac Success, Chidera Ejuke, etc from the youth grade system. If we channel funds and groom our coaches to make our scouting and development at this level proper, we can keep raising quality players.

Coupled with any foreign-born with the passion to reach out t o us.

As for any homegrown player that wants to focus on his career, we should give him full support by allowing him to focus on his club footie.

Our focus should lie on those that want to play for us. Whether foreign, or home grown.

We need the likes of Osimhen that was ready to defy odds with his club to play for us. Mikel went against Conte to join the Olympic teams. These are players with passion.

Enough of all these red carpet treatment.

TheGoodJoe:


Cameroon without the best went somewhere. Nigeria without the best went somewhere. You are the one hiding from Reality.

Stop making false statement. No one in this thread talked about gathering carpenters. You are just trying to make stuff up to sound cool.

TheGoodJoe:


That should stop. We should have a policy that they reach out to us. We should focus more on youth development. We can raise a mean squad if we channel much effort to keep raising high-grade players from the youth level. We raised Ndidi, Iheanacho, Osimhen, Omeruo, Awoniyi, Isaac Success, Chidera Ejuke, etc from the youth grade system. If we channel funds and groom our coaches to make our scouting and development at this level proper, we can keep raising quality players.

Coupled with any foreign-born with the passion to reach out t o us.

As for any homegrown player that wants to focus on his career, we should give him full support by allowing him to focus on his club footie.

Our focus should lie on those that want to play for us. Whether foreign, or home grown.

We need the likes of Osimhen that was ready to defy odds with his club to play for us. Mikel went against Conte to join the Olympic teams. These are players with passion.

Enough of all these red carpet treatment.

charlesemeka85:
I keep on asking if better footballing countries like England,Italy,Germany,France etc are gaining from poaching players that has links to them what’s wrong with us doing same?

Currently Poland just poached Aston villa’s English right bank who’s mom is polish just to fortify their team, does it mean they can’t find a decent right back in the polish league? They did that because they need better quality in the team

Algeria is after olise and doesn’t seem they will ever give up does it mean they can’t get wingers/AM from their league which is among the best in Africa or through their diaspora kids scattered mostly in France?

What about the likes of Tunisia,Morocco that hv a better rated league than ours aren’t they trying to lure players of their heritage born in Europe? Even I heard the Moroccan FA lure these kids with huge financial incentives which make them attractive and the reason why these kids hardly turns them down

What about the current afcon champions Senegal? Abi dem Dey stupid to lure the likes of koulibaily, the Bayern and psg players in their ranks now?

kingphilip:

Can you please show me where thegoodjoe said we shouldn't poach players?

fabyom:
Are you saying Conte or Ole can read the game better than Pep? Or Cisse is the best coach in Africa? Read the game all you like without quality players nothing will happen.

charlesemeka85:
he didn’t say it verbatim but his post made it clear that he is not sold out on begging this players to rep us when we can get dedicated ones here

TheGoodJoe:


Other teams can belittle themselves. That means nothing to me. We have loads of players to fight and do well. We should only seek those with passion to play for us. It is meaningless if the players do not have the passion to play for us.

I repeat, in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, Argentina and Brazil had far better players than us. Great talents from that later went to some of the best clubs in the world. With passion and dedication, we won that competition. Football is not only about talents. With teamwork, passion and dedication, we can move mountains.

If these guys are too big, let them go.

TheGoodJoe:


That is the point. You do not need the best players in the world to make an impact. With the right group of quality players, you can create havoc.

The Brazilian team had better talents than Cameroon, but Cameroon gave them hell.

Let us stop making it look that without the very best Nigerians, we can not excel. We should wish Adarabioyo, Oliseh, Eze, and co the best. Keep working on developing ourselves.

Change this begging policy and run an open door policy. Let them have a channel to reach out to the NFF if they are interested. Until then, stop trying to convince players to play for us.

kingphilip:

I'm really with him on that.

We don't actually need to go over and over to plead with them.

The countries I saw you mentioning earlier, I'm sure they didn't send their FA president together with the senior coaches to go and poach the players over and over again.

It is fine if they are approached once and then they give feedback when they are ready if they feel they are not ready now.