Sarcastic101:

Notice I said natural explanation,
If we can't give a natural explanation for an occurrence then it's supernatural,
Everything thing that makes up life is based on things that can't be explained naturally, from the rise of life from non living matter,to the materialise g of matter from nothing,to the complex design of the universe,it's willful ignorance to say that a supernatural intelligence isn't behind your reality

So when we couldn't get a natural explanation for thunder and lightning it was supernatural but we could explain it naturally it was no longer supernatural?

LordReed:


So when we couldn't get a natural explanation for thunder and lightning it was supernatural but we could explain it naturally it was no longer supernatural?

God didn't claim to be the God of thunder or lightening but the creator of the universe and life, which is presently unexplainable as an explanation would require us to either perform such act ourselves or show it happening without God,if life arose unguided and by chance without the need for God why don't we see new life arising?

Sarcastic101:

God didn't claim to be the God of thunder or lightening but the creator of the universe and life, which is presently unexplainable as an explanation would require us to either perform such act ourselves or show it happening without God,if life arose unguided and by chance without the need for God why don't we see new life arising?

I asked you for what supernatural means, you haven't explained what it is. I asked you to clarify can you do that first before we discuss any other thing?

OLAADEGBU:

Here is scientific evidence of how this present universe came to be if your atheist mind can comprehend it.
There are only three possibilities from where the universe can come from. By way of the elimination we will arrive at the scientific evidence of the origin of the universe which took just 6 days.
(1). The universe created itself;
(2). The universe has always existed, or
(3). The universe was created.

1. The universe created itself:
Can something create itself? Can nothing create something? The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something. From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning [i]"from nothing, nothing comes." It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause. The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself. That leaves us with options 2 and 3.

2. The univese has always existed
Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. The universe as a whole is losing energy. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air. This leaves us with only one possiblility based on science. Which is that:

3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

Science confirms the Bible. Simples.

see this yeye brainwashed person writing rubbish online....bwaaaaaaaah so the above is your proof that your god exist?!?!? really?!?!? i will say AGAIN, give me one evidence that your god exist....all the above gibberish smokescreen nonsense is worthless useless garbage!

Sarcastic101:

Dumb athiest,
What would you take as an evidence,?
If you answer this question,I'd give you evidence,
Just tell me what you'd take as evidence that my God (a supernatural being) exists

go ask your yeye maker what will be good as evidence that it exist....

LordReed:


I asked you for what supernatural means, you haven't explained what it is. I asked you to clarify can you do that first before we discuss any other thing?

didn't I tell you that supernatural things are things with no natural explanation,or
Let me say things that can't be done by natural means,you can use a dictionary,
Is the word supernatural hard for you to understand?

MrBrownJay1:


see this yeye brainwashed person writing rubbish online....bwaaaaaaaah so the above is your proof that your god exist?!?!? really?!?!? i will say AGAIN, give me one evidence that your god exist....all the above gibberish smokescreen nonsense is worthless useless garbage!



go ask your yeye maker what will be good as evidence that it exist....

Stupid fool,
Athiesm has blinded you that you have ruled out evidence for God in advance,and then you come here to ask for evidence,I know you can't answer that question .many of you can't, which brings me closer to fact that most of you aren't athiest because of there's no evidence, you're athiest because you don't just want to believe
Hell was created to serve as evidence for people like you

Sarcastic101:
didn't I tell you that supernatural things are things with no natural explanation,or
Let me say things that can't be done by natural means,you can use a dictionary,
Is the word supernatural hard for you to understand?

It isn't hard to understand but if I use a dictionary meaning you might take issue with because that has been my experience, when I use an available definition believers quarrel about it so best I get the definition you are using. If supernatural just means things without natural explanation that means when something later gets a natural explanation it means it is no longer supernatural for example was lightning supernatural when it had no natural explanation or if we we discover a natural explanation for how life began it will no longer be supernatural? Clarify if you will.

MrBrownJay1:


see this yeye brainwashed person writing rubbish online....bwaaaaaaaah so the above is your proof that your god exist?!?!? really?!?!? i will say AGAIN, give me one evidence that your god exist....all the above gibberish smokescreen nonsense is worthless useless garbage!

I'm sure these answers scares the hell out of you atheists.

OLAADEGBU:


I'm sure these answers scares the hell out of you atheists.

No it doesn't scare me, why do you think it would?

LordReed:


It isn't hard to understand but if I use a dictionary meaning you might take issue with because that has been my experience, when I use an available definition believers quarrel about it so best I get the definition you are using. If supernatural just means things without natural explanation that means when something later gets a natural explanation it means it is no longer supernatural for example was lightning supernatural when it had no natural explanation or if we we discover a natural explanation for how life began it will no longer be supernatural? Clarify if you will.

You see,it's impossible to get a natural explanation for the beginning of nature,
Nature can't be explained with nature when we deduce everything
We'd keep going around,it's just like using the word "impossible" to explain the word "impossible"
Chemicals can explain the use and composition of chemicals,but Chemicals can't explain chemicals,
Therefore nature can't explain nature
It is presently impossible to create life from non living matter,but if scientists do so in the future,our faith would become stronger why,
Because they made the mistake of "creating"the life, showing us that life was created and didn't come about by chance through unguided processes,
But God is wise,he doesn't call himself the God of thunder or lightening or water or sun,
But the creator of all things

LordReed:


It isn't hard to understand but if I use a dictionary meaning you might take issue with because that has been my experience, when I use an available definition believers quarrel about it so best I get the definition you are using. If supernatural just means things without natural explanation that means when something later gets a natural explanation it means it is no longer supernatural for example was lightning supernatural when it had no natural explanation or if we we discover a natural explanation for how life began it will no longer be supernatural? Clarify if you will.

when I say supernatural I mean unnatural things, when an unnatural thing happens it's said to be supernatural, example of this is when matter came out of nothing in the beginning, what scientists refer to as the big bang, nothing was before the big bang it has no natural explanation,
So the supernatural explains the first cause,the start of all natural things, however things like consciousness, emotions and existence of a mind and intelligence can't be explained naturally

LordReed:


No it doesn't scare me, why do you think it would?

Are you an atheist? I see you as the devil's advocate.

OLAADEGBU:


Are you an atheist? I see you as the devil's advocate.

Yes I am. Do you mean figuratively since I don't believe in a devil either.

Sarcastic101:
when I say supernatural I mean unnatural things, when an unnatural thing happens it's said to be supernatural, example of this is when matter came out of nothing in the beginning, what scientists refer to as the big bang, nothing was before the big bang it has no natural explanation,
So the supernatural explains the first cause,the start of all natural things, however things like consciousness, emotions and existence of a mind and intelligence can't be explained naturally

Incorrect. Scientists don't say there was nothing before the big bang, scientists don't know what was before the big bang since our current knowledge of physics can't describe it. So my question persists, is it your conclusion that until we find a natural explanation for a phenomenon we should consider it supernatural but when we find a natural explanation it is no longer supernatural? Do you think disease is supernatural?

LordReed:


Incorrect. Scientists don't say there was nothing before the big bang, scientists don't know what was before the big bang since our current knowledge of physics can't describe it. So my question persists, is it your conclusion that until we find a natural explanation for a phenomenon we should consider it supernatural but when we find a natural explanation it is no longer supernatural? Do you think disease is supernatural?

Incorrect,there was simply nothing before the big bang,no thing,it was the start of time space and matter, there's is nothing that can be known about what happened before the big bang,as it is incomprehensible,it's like trying to know where you where before you we're born,
As to your question,any thing that happens which isn't natural is supernatural, diseases are natural so it can't be supernatural, however, someone rising from the dead is supernatural as no natural explanation can be given for such,a talking donkey is supernatural as no explanation can be given for such,also, creating a football out of. Nothing is supernatural,as no natural explanation can be given for such.
In essence, anything that we refer to as impossible but it actually happened is supernatural,we shouldn't take a disease to be supernatural because it's a disease,and diseases are natural,but is it a coincidence that almost all diseases that can be cured are cured by drugs,produced from raw materials that God created,no scientist ever created a drug out of nothing but already available raw material,and the fact that these drugs are specific in action shows that it didn't come about by chance,but we're created for those purposes, however to an inquiring mind,a planet that balances itself all by itself,with various laws,and regular occurrences would not be taken as a mere occurrence, there's no single machine that created itself,and we shouldn't for other desires deny that there's an intelligent being behind everything here,
Another question for you is that,if there's no God,then why is there something instead of nothing,why is there life, matter, existence if there's nothing out there?

Sarcastic101:

Incorrect,there was simply nothing before the big bang,no thing,it was the start of time space and matter, there's is nothing that can be known about what happened before the big bang,as it is incomprehensible,it's like trying to know where you where before you we're born,
As to your question,any thing that happens which isn't natural is supernatural, diseases are natural so it can't be supernatural, however, someone rising from the dead is supernatural as no natural explanation can be given for such,a talking donkey is supernatural as no explanation can be given for such,also, creating a football out of. Nothing is supernatural,as no natural explanation can be given for such.
In essence, anything that we refer to as impossible but it actually happened is supernatural,we shouldn't take a disease to be supernatural because it's a disease,and diseases are natural,but is it a coincidence that almost all diseases that can be cured are cured by drugs,produced from raw materials that God created,no scientist ever created a drug out of nothing but already available raw material,and the fact that these drugs are specific in action shows that it didn't come about by chance,but we're created for those purposes, however to an inquiring mind,a planet that balances itself all by itself,with various laws,and regular occurrences would not be taken as a mere occurrence, there's no single machine that created itself,and we shouldn't for other desires deny that there's an intelligent being behind everything here,
Another question for you is that,if there's no God,then why is there something instead of nothing,why is there life, matter, existence if there's nothing out there?

You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.

LordReed:


You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.

Nothing is to much for him to do,he created a universe out of thing air, what's a football that he can't create a football out of thin air,
If you say that replicating the sun standing still is enough evidence,
Picture this,
Imagine he made the sun stand still tomorrow, and you told your athiest friends, wouldn't some say it's a hallucination,if you all saw it, wouldn't you sa

LordReed:


You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.

he created the world and life out of nothing,a football is to small , however if he made the sun stand still wouldn't you tell yourself that it's a hallucination,or wouldn't you say that it's a phenomenon that can be explained naturally and doesn't need us to invoke God into it?,if the creation of life, existence,the planet,and all other form of organisations couldn't convince you, would a standing sun convince you?, would it convince other staunch athiests?, wouldn't it be said that there's an explanation for it but it's definitely not God?

LordReed:


You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.

no matter how advanced we become, science cannot give us what happened before we were here,it can only give predictions, science can only determine definitely present happenings,we can't study matter to know what happened before matter came about,
Secondly what does this singularity consist of, where did it come from?,we know fully well that the proposition of an existing singularity before the big bang is a theory, there's nothing that scientists can trace the bang from other than a singularity,

Sarcastic101:

Nothing is to much for him to do,he created a universe out of thing air, what's a football that he can't create a football out of thin air,
If you say that replicating the sun standing still is enough evidence,
Picture this,
Imagine he made the sun stand still tomorrow, and you told your athiest friends, wouldn't some say it's a hallucination,if you all saw it, wouldn't you sahe created the world and life out of nothing,a football is to small , however if he made the sun stand still wouldn't you tell yourself that it's a hallucination,or wouldn't you say that it's a phenomenon that can be explained naturally and doesn't need us to invoke God into it?,if the creation of life, existence,the planet,and all other form of organisations couldn't convince you, would a standing sun convince you?, would it convince other staunch athiests?, wouldn't it be said that there's an explanation for it but it's definitely not God?

Pointing to the universe as evidence for a god won't convince me because just like me you don't have any details other than we both agree that the universe exists.

On the otherhand I can accept the sun standing still because such an experience will not be subjective, contrary to your scenario were you say people won't believe me, the sun standing still will be a phenomenon all the world will see and be able to record. So when can you ask your god to do it?

Sarcastic101:
no matter how advanced we become, science cannot give us what happened before we were here,it can only give predictions, science can only determine definitely present happenings,we can't study matter to know what happened before matter came about,
Secondly what does this singularity consist of, where did it come from?,we know fully well that the proposition of an existing singularity before the big bang is a theory, there's nothing that scientists can trace the bang from other than a singularity,

That is what I said, we don't know what was before the big bang but it wasn't nothing. It doesn't even seem like nothing is a possible state

LordReed:


Yes I am. Do you mean figuratively since I don't believe in a devil either.

You are in the best position to answer the question.

LordReed:


Pointing to the universe as evidence for a god won't convince me because just like me you don't have any details other than we both agree that the universe exists.

On the otherhand I can accept the sun standing still because such an experience will not be subjective, contrary to your scenario were you say people won't believe me, the sun standing still will be a phenomenon all the world will see and be able to record. So when can you ask your god to do it?

and I say that if the world sees such, our athiest scientists would say it's a natural occurrence that demands a natural explanation (which they're working on),they've said the same for every evidence, even if it'll convince you it wouldn't convince them,and about asking my God to do anything,
My God doesn't perform miracles to convert people,or make them believe
Miracles don't make people believe in God, people believe what they're willing to believe,the word of God is all he gave,
God has constructed the evidence in a way that Will be overwhelming to one who likes the idea of a God existing,or be overlooked by one who hates the idea of God existing ,if you read the bible you won't ever come across a place where someone asked God to perform a magic to convince people,God can't be ordered

LordReed:


That is what I said, we don't know what was before the big bang but it wasn't nothing. It doesn't even seem like nothing is a possible state

the big bang marks the beginning of time,space and matter,
Please can anything exist independent of time space and matter?

OLAADEGBU:


You are in the best position to answer the question.

Well then it is the only way it makes sense to me. So back to the question why would what was depicted in your pix make me afraid?

Sarcastic101:
the big bang marks the beginning of time,space and matter,
Please can anything exist independent of time space and matter?

Well probably in a way we can't understand yet.

Sarcastic101:
and I say that if the world sees such, our athiest scientists would say it's a natural occurrence that demands a natural explanation (which they're working on),they've said the same for every evidence, even if it'll convince you it wouldn't convince them,and about asking my God to do anything,
My God doesn't perform miracles to convert people,or make them believe
Miracles don't make people believe in God, people believe what they're willing to believe,the word of God is all he gave,
God has constructed the evidence in a way that Will be overwhelming to one who likes the idea of a God existing,or be overlooked by one who hates the idea of God existing ,if you read the bible you won't ever come across a place where someone asked God to perform a magic to convince people,God can't be ordered

You asked for the kind of evidence I would accept and I have told you, too bad if your god can't be obliged.

LordReed:


You asked for the kind of evidence I would accept and I have told you, too bad if your god can't be obliged.

Luke 11:29
There'd be no evidence for you.atleast not now, that's why he created hell,if his creation won't convince us,his destruction will do the job

OLAADEGBU:
I'm sure these answers scares the hell out of you atheists.

you people can bring all the nonsense you desire on this thread, but until you bring ANY EVIDENCE that your god exists, all you type is just smkescreen BS

Sarcastic101:

Stupid fool,
Athiesm has blinded you that you have ruled out evidence for God in advance,and then you come here to ask for evidence,I know you can't answer that question .many of you can't, which brings me closer to fact that most of you aren't athiest because of there's no evidence, you're athiest because you don't just want to believe
Hell was created to serve as evidence for people like you

again, the day you brainwashed retaarded people show me ANY evidence of your god, then i can change my mind, until then, you guys keep being the deluded zombies that you are and keep handing your money away to these fraudsters in robe who drive away in Rolls Royce and private jets while you mumus suffer in silence (hoping for MIRACLES IN THE SKY)!

LordReed:


Well probably in a way we can't understand yet.

you'd use this same phrase if the sun was made to stand still,you'd say"well this is natural and we should bring God into it,"
And I'd ask how so?
You'd say,"it's just happened'probably in a way we don't understand yet'"

MrBrownJay1:


you people can bring all the nonsense you desire on this thread, but until you bring ANY EVIDENCE that your god exists, all you type is just smkescreen BS



again, the day you brainwashed retaarded people show me ANY evidence of your god, then i can change my mind, until then, you guys keep being the deluded zombies that you are and keep handing your money away to these fraudsters in robe who drive away in Rolls Royce and private jets while you mumus suffer in silence (hoping for MIRACLES IN THE SKY)!

Our deluded Christianity gave us rolls Royce and private jets, athiesm can't even give you anything (apart from masturbating and feeling good about it) though,
On the day you drop dead you'd see the evidence for God, very blazing hot evidence my friend

Sarcastic101:

Our deluded Christianity gave us rolls Royce and private jets, athiesm can't even give you anything (apart from masturbating and feeling good about it) though,
On the day you drop dead you'd see the evidence for God, very blazing hot evidence my friend

lol see how you brainwashed people are fooling yourselves.... xtianity gave "YOUR FRAUDSTER IN ROBE" Rolls Royces and private jets, you deluded people are still living in poverty (financial/mental)....as if you even knew how a Rolls Royce smells, lol!

you and your bastard fraudster in robe and/or your bastard god should get a life.
***spit on floor***

Sarcastic101:
you'd use this same phrase if the sun was made to stand still,you'd say"well this is natural and we should bring God into it,"
And I'd ask how so?
You'd say,"it's just happened'probably in a way we don't understand yet'"

That's why I had to just stick with your definition of supernatural. You said your god won't oblige but your god should know what would convince me wouldn't he?