CAPdan21:

Even the Bible says "where there is no law, there's no transgression"...You can't fault people for not complying to non-existent laws

Exactly. Where there's no law, there's no sin.

Why should one call someone Paedophile for what wasnt in existence then

donjazet1:


There lies your answer. Yes that is literally the definition of what he did. Ignorant or not. That doesn't mean I'm judging the action. We're literally describing the action.

Nobody is saying the action is not bad.

The name calling is what is bad. That's why calling that ignorant kid a thief is wrong

Jodera:
Exactly. Where there's no law, there's no sin.

Why should one call someone Paedophile for what wasnt in existence then

This point isn't logical. That something has not been named doesn't mean it's not bad or good. At this point, you're literally arguing about terms and definitions. Surely you see how awkward that is.

Jodera:
I'm comparing the reasoning and ignorance.

It's science and education that made us know what is puberty and maturity that brought rise to paedophile being bad. What happens to our fathers who are ignorant? Do you insult them?

Jodera it does not matter the age and time for me, a child is a child. A menstruating 9 year old is still a child, I don't need education for this one, common sense is enough.

donjazet1:


This has been my next angle all along when a Muslim answered. you've spilled the beans.

I wanted to use the morality part for them seeing as he's an infallible figure to them. Why wouldn't the Allah's prophet know that fvcking kids was an abhorrent and despicable thing to do?
Why does he still let it happen?

Those images are disgusting

raumdeuter:


That is your own belief and your own religion too I am sure there are many who can pick holes and make snide remarks about it.

Some can say they wont follow a man hanging around with 12 dudes and one of them had to kiss him. Or how will their savior be someone who cannot save himself from the cross like the Jews asked him on the cross

You see that trying to throw back handed comments at any belief can always come back to haunt you. Its better you leave people to their belief and hold onto yours as long as its legal

This is what you're comparing with someone who slept with a 9 year old?

And I can't remember saying I was a Christian

Itsrm:


Those images are disgusting

Very! It breaks my heart whenever I see them, which is why I'm frustrated that allies here are hijacking my narrative and diverting it to something else.

donjazet1:


But surely you can see how stupid this take is!
Your first post literally says, "it is proven scientifically that indomie causes cancer". This literally means, there is NO doubt that indomie causes cancer.
So you will now begrudge the person who decides to create an awareness about a dangerous fact??

Are you saying it's better to leave people to keep eating the cancerous food?
This just reminds me of the women who died of cancer many decades ago because they didn't know how harmful uranium was. They were playing with uranium, some using as makeup because it glows in the night.
Right now, you are castigating the person who was raising the alarm then, telling them that playing with uranium was a very bad idea.

So let me get this straight, you are criticizing my activism, even if it's for verifiable and worthy causes??
This thread funny die.

I used proven scientifically to prove a point...Most of your absurd takes don't have any scientific backings or proofs just your opinions concerning what is moral or not...Take your agenda concerning Roman and Ukraine, did you have any proof that he supported Putin to invade Ukraine before you came out with your emotional takes...You only claim to be rational or a critical thinker when it suits your agenda..

Joezinho:


How can you wish such for a 23year old that gives his all for the club you claim to support?

The way you hate one of your best players is amazing and should be studied...

I don’t hate him but my thoughts on him have been extensively shared here

donjazet1:


This point isn't logical. That something has not been named doesn't mean it's not bad or good. At this point, you're literally arguing about terms and definitions. Surely you see how awkward that is.

It's not awkward. Some people believe killing of animals is bad while others don't. It's all about term and definition. You termed a prophet a Paedophile and you're always hitting on that term and you're telling me about terms and definitions? It's funny nao

If enough exposure is made, most people might be termed cannibal. Will you now call your relative or friend a cannibal for eating meat 5yrs ago?

Ibime:


I believe Aisha was consummated after menses which was the tradition of the day and the principle of baligh set in the Quran. The issue that makes DonJ complaints relevant is the practice of pedophilia continues today due to strict Wahabi interpretation of the prophets words. If your absolute model can marry young, why wouldn't you, but that doesn't factor in the norms and mortality rates of the time.

Islam is due a reformation and did have a reformation during the golden age, but the Salafists had to drag it back to strict literal interpretation for reasons of attaining and keeping power. Vast majority of Jews have abandoned the Torah which has almost the same laws and punishments as the Quran. It is simply not compatible in the modern age. The likes of Amoto are really medieval people living among us, and they will even admit it is impossible to enact and prosecute the laws strictly in any Islamic country today. The only ones that did it word for word is ISIS. That said, I don't begrudge anyone their worship as long as human rights are respected. Capital punishment for blasphemy, sodomy et al is a red line that cannot be tolerated.

The advantage of Christianity is Jesus set no laws except Love your neighbour as yourself which makes it adaptable to any era or age. That sermon is the single most fundamental teaching to the spread of Christianity because bros J was pressed to give laws and only gave two laws which can be very liberally interpreted.

The thing about religion is that you can go into the book and choose your own interpretation the way you want it or pick a side that you feel supports your view

The same bible is what you read and saw love your neighbor, but when the crusaders read it they didn't see that, when those killing witches read it they didnt see that, when Mommy GO read it she didn't see it, when Kumuyi, read it he saw an interprtation where you have to dress a certain way and throw away your TVs, Mormons read it and saw they can marry sister wives

What you called liberal transformation and reformation is what some people will refer you to the Book of Revelation where curses were laid on those who "add or remove" from this words. Basically only a literal translation will do

In Jesus time they used to fetch water from wells and rode donkeys then Amish will tell you there you go!!

Its the same bible that Catholics used to justify drinking alcohol and anti abortion while other sects read and say God is against abortion

Its a tough ask translating literal a book based on the customs 2000 yrs ago into todays world just like it would be impossible to use the words of todays words 2000yrs from now

After all the twisting and turning, I'm still asking the moslems here;

What constitutes blasphemy. Who determines what blasphemy is?

All of us who mean well for our country should take these 2 questions very important.
Dayo says we can only regard our own laws, that means, crusading to rectify the laws which we know to be wrong and inconsistent with our fundamental human rights.

It's not right that people are killed over century old, archaic, despotic laws.
We are lucky to be born in an information era, one where a wide range of information is at our finger tips. Let's all Join hands together and maximize that power collectively. Lest shape our society to become better.

Itsrm:


This is what you're comparing with someone who slept with a 9 year old?

And I can't remember saying I was a Christian

2000 years ago sleeping with a 9yr old menstruating female was acceptable

Ellexy:
Jodera it does not matter the age and time for me, a child is a child. A menstruating 9 year old is still a child, I don't need education for this one, common sense is enough.

You can say this because you're educated. It's easy for you to say.

Perhaps, You don't know how education really changed us for the better and helps also to reason things easily. Don't underrate education boss

CAPdan21:

DonJ problem is this:
If it is proved scientifically that indomie causes cancer
Propagnda DonJ: Indomie causes cancer, no one should eat Indomie, they have to stop producing Indomie everywhere

Me: I have been eating Indomie since and I don't have cancer neither did my father have cancer, so it's probably not that bad

Extremist DonJ: You're a shameless Indomie eater, don't u have conscience, where is your morals, this thing is killing people but you're eating it, you have to copy me by writing a 2 page essay on Nairaland on the dangers of eating Indomie or you're supporting those killer Indomie making companies...

Replace Indomie and cancer with whatever and you'll get DonJ

GloriousGbola:


Yep, but this is the thing - the Quran regularly calls out unbelievers. It is simply because the Quran is recited in arabic

Imagine a mosque beside you home blaring in English God is one. God does not beget. God is not begotten

This is from Surah Iklas. One of the most popular surahs esp for lazy people who want to say their prayera sharp sharp

That's why the whole blasphemy and violence thing is really double standards.

Every religion calls out unbelievers.

Wait I dont know about every religion but I will say Christians especially Pentecostal Christians too call out unbelievers even call out fellow Christians who dont worship their way

Have you heard Pentecostals talk about Catholics and viceversa? even within Pentecostals have you heard what Deeper say about RCCG etc?

raumdeuter:


Every religion calls out unbelievers.

Wait I dont know about every religion but I will say Christians especially Pentecostal Christians too call out unbelievers even call out fellow Christians who dont worship their way

Have you heard Pentecostals talk about Catholics and viceversa? even within Pentecostals have you heard what Deeper say about RCCG etc?

Precisely. But that's where it ends. Protestants accuse Catholics of idolatry. Do catholics respond with violence? I have seen Catholics on this platform te protestants to Sharap. Before you people were even an idea, we were defending the existence of christen dom. No one is threatening Seun because other denominations or atheists are calling them out.

Now imagine a Christian with a loudspeaker saying Jesus is Lord up north. Several have been killed for that.

I can call you out no big deal because my religion is the REAL thing. But YOU call me out, and next thing is bloodletting

All these people with their black and white perspective

Ellexy:
Jodera it does not matter the age and time for me, a child is a child. A menstruating 9 year old is still a child, I don't need education for this one, common sense is enough.

Well, you didn't walk their shoes so you can't judge them based on what is obtainable now.

Ellexy:
Jodera it does not matter the age and time for me, a child is a child. A menstruating 9 year old is still a child, I don't need education for this one, common sense is enough.

A 9yr old, still playing with teddy bear, na she their preeks dey shoot out for. Awon agbaya.

Jodera:
It's not awkward. Some people believe killing of animals is bad while others don't. It's all about term and definition. You termed a prophet a Paedophile and you're always hitting on that term and you're telling me about terms and definitions? It's funny nao

If enough exposure is made, most people might be termed cannibal. Will you now call your relative or friend a cannibal for eating meat 5yrs ago?

This is the problem. This happened centuries ago. But Muslims today use it to justify marrying children. If marrying children was not a sadly conspicuous part of Islamic culture, particularly in backward countries no one would be shouting Muhammed was xxxx.


But right in Nigeria we have sitting governors (yerima) marrying 10 year olds and citing Prophet Muhammad

Christians have it lucky. They were not obsessed with proudly documenting everything for posterity. Las Las they will say, it was allegorical.

GloriousGbola:


Precisely. But that's where it ends. Protestants accuse Catholics of idolatry. Do catholics respond with violence? I have seen Catholics on this platform te protestants to Sharap. Before you people were even an idea, we were defending the existence of christen dom. No one is threatening Seun because other denominations or atheists are calling them out.

Now imagine a Christian with a loudspeaker saying Jesus is Lord up north. Several have been killed for that.

I can call you out no big deal because my religion is the REAL thing. But YOU call me out, and next thing is bloodletting

Though in Northern Ireland their issue is more political, but their religious divide also contributed to it. Within Islam Sunni and Shiite dey change am for themselves regularly

But you guys can see how my point is emphasized.

Amoto94 reported my post to the mod. The foolish mod read this post and deemed it an offense.

There was no personal insult in my post so why the ban.
I had to go and start retrieving password of an account I lost so many years ago.

Should we continue to live in a world where our free speech is stifled? Where we can't criticize a system that enables the murder of innocent citizens daily?? Nigerians we really have to open our eyes to the oligopoly of the north, else we're really at the risk of being totally subdued under the north, this is not a hyperbole.

What a shame!.

donjazet1:
But you guys can see how my point is emphasized.

Amoto94 reported my post to the mod. The foolish mod read this post and deemed it an offense.

There was no personal insult in my post so why the ban.
I had to go and start retrieving password of an account I lost so many years ago.

Should we continue to live in a world where our free speech is stifled? Where we can't criticize a system that enables the murder of innocent citizens daily?? Nigerians we really have to open our eyes to the oligopoly of the north, else we're really at the risk of being totally subdued under the north, this is not a hyperbole.

What a shame!.

You done collect am hot hot

The highlighted part below can be interpreted as "don't pour sand in my business"

If you no like, go patronise someone else. Nobody pay Seun to enter Nairaland. Na only mumu dey click advert.

Kuje!!

donjazet1:


I didn't term Mohammed a pedophile.
Wikipedia did. Oxford English dictionary did. Merriem webster dictionary did. This your Amala turning no be here. :

The act of having sex with a 9 year old is called pedophilia or child molesting or rape, seeing as the infant is incapable of giving consent.
Argue with the dictionary.

As for your point about cannibalism, I know I'm not a cannibal because the literal definition of that is eating another human beings meat and I sure as hell don't do that.

What I know I am is an omnivore, I eat both plants and meat of other animals. If being an omnivore which is a basic biological trait, not a social construct, is viewed as negatively in the future with new information out of our reach now, (which is very very unlikely seeing as biology has been constant for centuries), then I guess we were very wrong in being omnivores. That is what it is. That is the basic principle of idealism. A constant progressive push to make the world a better place.

Lol.. you call him Paedophile because dictionary says so. And that's the problem.

You're using today's dictionary to condemn ancient people for that.

I remember when I was young, the word "gay" means bright or light hearted. You can conveniently use it to compliment then, but now you can't and dictionary will back you up.

You're an omnivore today but we just need a change of extremist acceptance worldwide and it'll derided just as gay is

Ibime:


You done collect am hot hot

The highlighted part below can be interpreted as "don't pour sand in my business"

If you no like, go patronise someone else. Nobody pay Seun to enter Nairaland. Na only mumu dey click advert.

walahi, the thing dey pain. Seun is acquiescing to these moslems too much. I feel he has been threatened. If you see his posts on Twitter, you see a hardcore atheist, but the way he's running nairaland, with the swearing of oaths and undeserved bans like these, you get the feel this guy has been threatened for his life.

GloriousGbola:


This is the problem. This happened centuries ago. But Muslims today use it to justify marrying children. If marrying children was not a sadly conspicuous part of Islamic culture, particularly in backward countries no one would be shouting Muhammed was xxxx.


But right in Nigeria we have sitting governors (yerima) marrying 10 year olds and citing Prophet Muhammad

Christians have it lucky. They were not obsessed with proudly documenting everything for posterity. Las Las they will say, it was allegorical.

Muslims today practicing Paedophile are at fault. .

That doesn't mean that Mohammed is a Paedophile according to his time. They are enlightened and should know better

Jesus Christ did not marry. That doesn't mean we Christianity shouldn't do so

Jodera:
Lol.. you call him Paedophile because dictionary says so. And that's the problem.

You're using today's dictionary to condemn ancient people for that.

I remember when I was young, the word "gay" means bright or light hearted. You can conveniently use it to compliment then, but now you can't and dictionary will back you up

You're an omnivore today but we just need a change of extremist acceptance worldwide and it'll derided just as gay is

This is false, the British still use the word gay to describe a happy or bright person. A word can mean different things. And English has its variations, American English, British, Australian etc..
That a Nigerian or American might be offended by being referred to as gay doesn't mean a British man would.

Jodera:
Muslims today practicing Paedophile are at fault. .

That doesn't mean that Mohammed is a Paedophile according to his time. They are enlightened and should know better

Jesus Christ did not marry. That doesn't mean we Christianity shouldn't do so

Christian males are supposed to be in a squad of 12 bros just hanging out on road trips . Like a boy band with wild eyed fans washing the lead.singers feet with tears

_{I am just shit posting}

Jodera:
Muslims today practicing Paedophile are at fault. .

That doesn't mean that Mohammed is a Paedophile according to his time. They are enlightened and should know better

Jesus Christ did not marry. That doesn't mean we Christianity shouldn't do so

You surely can see how you're wrapping yourself up in an entanglement of illogical webs. You are literally arguing against dictionary meanings. So if there wasn't a word for infanticide years ago, it means our forefathers didn't commit infanticide right?