LordReed:


The simple request I made you could not fulfil. Nay bro, thanks, the convo is over.

No problems: you can take your leave!

budaatum:

First, we are discussing complex things, so however clear you attempt to be will likely hit against my own fallibility. Accept my apologies. I am honoured that you try to make yourself clear.


The method of using the senses properly might have been constructed and taught and rigorously trained, triple, but the sense (the eye, for instance, and its ability to be used to see) itself is not a human construct, and it is the use of the senses that they have rigorously trained under this method so they can use it properly. The tautology is intended.

The methodology is a "human construct" that evolved out of the ignorant misuse of the human senses into what it has become today and which we can witness by the numerous human achievements, and destructions I dare add, that are before us.


No one is claiming that the scientific method, which is purely a method of using one's human senses, is perfect. Afterall if my eye itself is dim, no amount of method can make me see clearly. However, that same scientific method is what would make me consider the dimness of my eye and find a way to overcome my deficiency of "don't know everything about the world we live" and continuously test my interpretations. The intention after all is to learn about the world, which I would not be doing if I already knew everything about the world. Perhaps I should first use my senses to realise that I should show some humility because I don't know everything about my own little village, not to talk of my state or my country, and the world is big!


I do not understand what you've said there. Who is arriving at what conclusion, triple, and what content is being "interpreted by our senses", and what other method or tool would you like to be used, and what the heck is it that "we believe it to be so"?

Personally, I can't see how I can come to a conclusion about the road I am about to cross if I do not interpret its content with my own senses, despite my limitations, because of the scientific method with which I have experimented to determine the best and safest way to cross roads. And I do not merely believe it to be so, for experience as perceived by my very own senses have shown me that it is so such that I can safely say I know how to cross roads safely, despite the limitations of my senses and my ability to use them, I dare add.

I am afraid you have brought in a red herring to distract and confuse me.

I just woke from it now .Your subjective definition of science and what means to be a trained scientist is what has brought us here.

Using one's sense of judgement alone (your definition of what it means be a trained scientist) to make sense of the impression coming through your five physical senses ( sense of smell, taste and so on) ,which is actually what I was referring to will not make you an expert in the sciences.

Your brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements.

I understand from a lay man point of view , we all can be scientists, but those in the main body of the sciences see it differently.

So, my buda, you're not a scientists just because you can make use of your sense of judgement to interpret the world around you.

My argument is not focused on what it means to be a scientist

@Lordreed, I have seen all your replies. I will respond tomorrow as I am very tired now after today's hectic time in the office.

LordReed:


No I don't believe in the existence of spirit or soul, body is the only well established fact.

Okay, no problem. Lol, just scanning through your continued posts and even thread on souls, i say make i wonder. Enjoy.

TenQ:

No problems: you can take your leave!

Leave the thread I created? LoLz, you must be high on expired weed. Bwahahahahaha!

triplechoice:
@Lordreed, I have seen all your replies. I will respond tomorrow as I am very tired now after today's hectic time in the office.

Ok, take your time.

LordReed:


Leave the thread I created? LoLz, you must be high on expired weed. Bwahahahahaha!

You disappoint me with this!
What happened to you!?

TenQ:

You disappoint me with this!
What happened to you!?

Huh? Like who are you, why would I care if you are disappointed in me? You want to act the fool and still claim moral high ground? LoLz!

triplechoice:
@Lordreed, I have seen all your replies. I will respond tomorrow as I am very tired now after today's hectic time in the office.

Also read through this article:

https://news.osu.edu/brain-scans-remarkably-good-at-predicting-political-ideology/

TenQ:
Animals have their minds (a subset of their soul) independent from their bodies although without the body the soul is like a software without a hardware.

A software without a hardware is useless: as a soul without the body is useless.
A hardware without the software is also useless: as a body without the software is useless.

Though animals were not created in the image of the Godhead and neither created according to the likeness of the Godhead, they are known to display seemingly faint certain defining characteristics of the Godhead

TenQ:
Death of animals occur when their soul disconnect from their body

Physical death occurs when the ruach aka life-force expires in its host, whether animal or human. The souls goes to a holding place

LordReed:
So according to you what happens to the souls of animals when they die?

The soul of animals end up in the same place human souls end up at, call it Sheol if you like

TenQ:
The soul expires (becomes non-existent) because a soul need a host body to manifest.

The soul expires, as in when ruach, aka breath of God aka life-force leaves the body, the ruach returns to its owner God, the body returns to dust while the soul from this side of eternity, takes leave and crosses over to a lounge or waiting area as it were, awaiting judgment day verdict that indicates where its final destination will be.

LordReed:
Leave the thread I created? LoLz, you must be high on expired weed. Bwahahahahaha!

Take leave of him, as in free him, not take leave the thread

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

triplechoice:


I am afraid you have brought in a red herring to distract and confuse me.

I just woke from it now .Your subjective definition of science and what means to be a trained scientist is what has brought us here.

Using one's sense of judgement alone (your definition of what it means be a trained scientist) to make sense of the impression coming through your five physical senses ( sense of smell, taste and so on) ,which is actually what I was referring to will not make you an expert in the sciences.

Your brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements.

I understand from a lay man point of view , we all can be scientists, but those in the main body of the sciences see it differently.

So, my buda, you're not a scientists just because you can make use of your sense of judgement to interpret the world around you.

My argument is not focused on what it means to be a scientist.

You've noticed my red herring definition of science. I'm glad. Note I neither said "trained scientist" nor "expert in the sciences". I red herringed scientist Jesus too.

We humans have no other tools than our senses with which to receive data about the world, and our minds are what we use to make sense of the data that we receive, so I can't think of any other way to learn about the world than to use one's senses to receive data and interpret it with one's mind is my point, and a'scientist' red herringed by me as one who has gone through the rigorous training to use one's senses properly, should be more competent at least in their specific sphere of inquiry at so doing. I mean, see as you disqualified lay person me, lol.

Yes, my "brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements", a fallibility I already admitted to, but the rigour of experimentation learned by a 'scientist' would make one ask and knock and seek so one can separate the wheat from the chaff.

I am not trying to "distract and confuse" you. I'm engaging with your intelligent mind.

NNTR:
Though animals were not created in the image of the Godhead and neither created according to the likeness of the Godhead, they are known to display seemingly faint certain defining characteristics of the Godhead

Physical death occurs when the ruach aka life-force expires in its host, whether animal or human. The souls goes to a holding place

The soul of animals end up in the same place human souls end up at, call it Sheol if you like

The soul expires, as in when ruach, aka breath of God aka life-force leaves the body, the ruach returns to its owner God, the body returns to dust while the soul from this side of eternity, takes leave and crosses over to a lounge or waiting area as it were, awaiting judgment day verdict that indicates where its final destination will be.

Take leave of him, as in free him, not take leave the thread

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I think you make a fundamental error here.
Ruach in a proper sense does mean SPIRIT and sometimes used as breath. The breath here does not mean breathing but life or existence.

For instance, Ruach Elohim means the Spirit of God. In many references in the Old Testament, the Ruach Elohim comes upon an individual and allows him to speak for the Lord.

The flat definition of Ruach falls apart in the context above.

Secondly, the Old Testament often use the words soul and spirit synonymously.

1. If God is a SPIRIT, what did he breath into man in Genesis 2:7 to make man a LIVING SOUL?
2. Did God ALSO breath this breath into Animals he had created?

NNTR:

The soul of animals end up in the same place human souls end up at, call it Sheol if you like

State the verse in the Bible that supports this.

Take leave of him, as in free him, not take leave the thread

Already said the conversation was over so either he was too stubborn to take a hint or he was baked on something potent, I chose the latter.

LordReed:
State the verse in the Bible that supports this.




Already said the conversation was over so either he was too stubborn to take a hint or he was baked on something potent, I chose the latter.

Psalm 49:13
'12But man, with all his [self] honor and pomp, will not endure;
He is like the beasts that perish.
13This is the fate of those who are foolishly confident,
And of those after them who approve [and are influenced by] their words. Selah.
14Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead);
Death will be their shepherd;
And the upright shall rule over them in the morning,
And their form and beauty shall [a]be for Sheol to consume,
So that they have no dwelling [on earth].
15But God will redeem my life from the power of Sheol,
For He will receive me. Selah.'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Surah Yunus [10:94]
'But if you are in doubt, as to what we have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.'
فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكَ لَقَدْ جَاءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ

Humble yourself, my dear beloved Muslim brother, using the AntiChristian moniker, you are among brethren, sisters, believers, friends here, unlearn where the Islamic believe that the Spirit = Soul, and learn from us, who read the Book, that man is, tripartite, meaning is soul spirit and body

Isaiah 26:9
'In the night my soul longs for You [O LORD], Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently;
For [only] when Your judgments are experienced on the earth Will the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.'

Note that, the soul is, you and vice versa. The soul is yours to belong to, as for the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God, it came off from God and so is to God, its to belong to.

It is the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God, that comes off from God that brought Adam to life. Remember that you're soul, well Adam became a living soul the moment, the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God, that came off from God hit his heart.

What the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God, that comes off from God did, was literally, jump-start Adam' heart and subsequently, the soul, Adam, became a living soul

Its your soul, you, that the devil wants, that the devil is after. The devil wants your soul, which is you, be equally damned, as he knows he already is damned, hence the reason why the devil kills the spirit, the spirit inside you, and its because, just as the blood is the life of the flesh aka body, so inversely is the spirit the life of the soul.

The soul gets gingered up by the spirit, hence you hear the phrase, being high in the spirit or be drunk in the spirit et cetera. Those particular mode of expressions aren't vice versa used for the soul and rightly not, because they are two distinct things, just as Hebrews 4:12 reveals

Once the spirit man is killed, you, the soul, become dead meat, dead man walking, easy prey for the devil to randomly pick away at

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

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TenQ:
I think you make a fundamental error here.
Ruach in a proper sense does mean SPIRIT and sometimes used as breath. The breath here does not mean breathing but life or existence.

For instance, Ruach Elohim means the Spirit of God. In many references in the Old Testament, the Ruach Elohim comes upon an individual and allows him to speak for the Lord.

The flat definition of Ruach falls apart in the context above.

Secondly, the Old Testament often use the words soul and spirit synonymously.

1. If God is a SPIRIT, what did he breath into man in Genesis 2:7 to make man a LIVING SOUL?
2. Did God ALSO breath this breath into Animals he had created?

Hebrews 4:12
'For the word of God is living and active and full of power
[making it operative, energizing, and effective].
It is sharper than any two-edged sword,
penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person],
and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature],
exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart.'

God, brought Adam into existence, out of moulding him from earth.

Adam, the soul is created out, that which is not visible, the soul is unable to be physically touched or felt. It has a physical presence proxy by the flesh or body. The soul, meaning in essence, you, came from thing(s) not seen. The body, your flesh, is just a dirt suit made up of dust, hence why when the spirit, the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God expires in you, you die, you slump and drop dead, then at the end, your body or flesh returns back to earth

You are soul, you are the soul. You, the soul, was made out of things not seen with the naked eyes. Your dirt suit, the body or flesh is not you, but your soul, is you, you are soul. You, your soul will give account of yourself on Judgment Day

After death, meaning after transiting from the land of the living, you, meaning you the soul, go to a waiting area, similarly to the lounge seating areas in airport. You stay there, awaiting Judgment Day, then upon giving a verdict, you get to board a flight to an appropriate destination

You're soul. The soul is you, and vice versa, meaning what you are is soul, you are the soul.

Essentially, you are a soul, housed in a body made up from dust and made animated with a life-force, which is ruach aka spirit aka pneuma or also known as, the breath of God. So, in short, your beingness, you, are a soul

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:

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God brought Adam into existence out of moulding him from earth.

Adam, the soul is created out that which is not visible, the soul is unable to be physically touched or felt. It has a physical presence proxy by the flesh or body. The soul, meaning in essence, you, came from thing(s) not seen. The body, your flesh, is just a dirt suit made up of dust, hence why when the spirit, the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God expires in you, you die, you slump and drop dead, then at the end, your body or flesh returns back to earth

You are soul, you are the soul. You, the soul, was made out of things not seen with the naked eyes. Your dirt suit, the body or flesh is not you, but your soul, is you, you are soul. You, your soul will give account of yourself on Judgment Day

After death, meaning after transiting from the land of the living, you, meaning you the soul, go to a waiting area, similarly to the lounge seating areas in airport. You stay there, awaiting Judgment Day, then upon giving a verdict, you get to board a flight to an appropriate destination

You're soul. The soul is you, and vice versa, meaning what you are is soul, you are the soul.

Essentially, you are a soul, housed in a body made up from dust and made animated with a life-force, which is ruach aka spirit aka pneuma or also known as, the breath of God. So, in short, your beingness, you, are a soul

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Look at the scripture
Isa 26:9:
"With my soul have I desired you in the night; yes, with my spirit within me will I seek you early: for when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness."

What exactly did God breath into man in Genesis 2? What made Adam a living being?

No one disputes that the Soul is the core of the being of a living being.


Look at this second scripture
Gen 1:24:
"Then God said, "Let the earth bring into being living things after their kind: Cattle and things that move upon the ground, and wild animals of the earth after their kind." And it was so."

Just as man, every other creature was made from the earth with no record of God "jump-starting" their heart/lungs with air. What then differentiate humans from animals?


Summary:
Essentially, you are a soul, housed in a body made up from dust and
a spirit body which is the image of God.

Your spirit is by which God relate to you as human. Your spirit is through which God relate with you. Your spirit center Of your conscience and longing for God.

TenQ:
Look at the scripture
Isa 26:9:
"With my soul have I desired you in the night; yes, with my spirit within me will I seek you early: for when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness."

What exactly did God breath into man in Genesis 2? What made Adam a living being?

No one disputes that the Soul is the core of the being of a living being.

Look at this second scripture
Gen 1:24:
"Then God said, "Let the earth bring into being living things after their kind: Cattle and things that move upon the ground, and wild animals of the earth after their kind." And it was so."

Just as man, every other creature was made from the earth with no record of God "jump-starting" their heart/lungs with air. What then differentiate humans from animals?

Summary:
Essentially, you are a soul, housed in a body made up from dust and
a spirit body which is the image of God.

Your spirit is by which God relate to you as human. Your spirit is through which God relate with you. Your spirit center Of your conscience and longing for God.

You are echoing everything I have shared up above there bar acknowledge that ruach aka, the breath of God is a life-force

Hebrews 4:12 up there, lets us know that there is difference between the soul and spirit (i.e. spirit of man aka ruach aka the breath of life aka the life force), in fact, Hebrews 4:12 above, aside being instructive, is self-explanatory in spelling out that the soul and spirit are distinct from each other.

God is not just only a Spirit, that is not made at all, as He is the Maker, but God is incorporeal, meaning, God has no physical body, whereas man, taking into consideration the fact that man is tripartite, is made up with, a soul, spirit and body, as created by the Maker, God.

Unlike the body, that is physical, the soul and spirit, are not physical. The soul and spirit constitute an immaterial part of a whole person or being, whether human or animal.

Now dwelling further on man, the soul, is the animate life, and actually, is that humanity side of man, the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from.

In fact, the word, soul, even is used to refer to the whole person, whether alive on earth (i.e. land of the living) and/or after dead and transited in the afterlife (i.e. land of dead)

Wrapping up, the soul is the essence of what a human being is. The soul, is you, it is who you are. No surprises then, that, it is the soul that faces judgment, not the spirit and neither, not the body that stands before God, to give account for all the thoughts, deeds, words and actions did while the soul and spirit were housed in the body.

Focusing on the spirit, the spirit actually and appropriately, is ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force. Now, at this juncture, it is necessary, to note that, though humans and animals have spirit, (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) they however are not spirits nor Spirit (i.e. God)

The spirit (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the breath of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) in relation to humans, is the element in humanity that gives us the ability to have, not just only a connection with God, but also used to form an intimate relationship with God through it. Essentially, meaning that, part of what the spirit is used for, is to connect to God with, who Himself is Spirit, the life-force, and giver of ruach, otherwise known as, the wind or breath of God

When the soul is the seat, where our emotions, senses, desires, affections, appetites, character etc all emanates out from, Proverbs 20:27, lets us know that, the spirit of man (i.e. talking of conscience here, and where as it happens, conscience, is one of the faculties of the spirit), is the lamp of the LORD, searching and examining all the innermost parts of his being, while 1 Corinthians 2:11, complementing, says, no one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. You see, the spirit, doubles up also as a witness. It knows everything about the person, and this because of the 'record' it logs

The soul is you, yours, but the spirit is God's, hence upon expiry inside you, it returns back to God, its Owner

Let me ask you a question, explain how Adam became a living soul, give intricate details how, thats if you can manage. What triggered Adam to life and how did it happen?

You can ten q me later

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Psalm 49:13
'12But man, with all his [self] honor and pomp, will not endure;
He is like the beasts that perish.
13This is the fate of those who are foolishly confident,
And of those after them who approve [and are influenced by] their words. Selah.
14Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead);
Death will be their shepherd;
And the upright shall rule over them in the morning,
And their form and beauty shall [a]be for Sheol to consume,
So that they have no dwelling [on earth].
15But God will redeem my life from the power of Sheol,
For He will receive me. Selah.'

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So you take this as literal rather than a figure of speech?

LordReed:
So you take this as literal rather than a figure of speech?

Actually, both.
Sheol is where all end up at, after the expiration of the ruach, otherwise known as, wind or the breath of God, even life-force

Would interest you to know, its Jesus who further exposed what Sheol really is and whats its like

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
Actually, both.
Sheol is where all end up at, after the expiration of the ruach, otherwise known as, wind or the breath of God, even life-force

Would interest you to know, its Jesus who further exposed what Sheol really is and whats its like

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Jesus' version doesn't have animals in it. But really a place with all the billions of animals that have died would be hell anyway. LoLz.

budaatum:


You've noticed my red herring definition of science. I'm glad. Note I neither said "trained scientist" nor "expert in the sciences". I red herringed scientist Jesus too.

We humans have no other tools than our senses with which to receive data about the world, and our minds are what we use to make sense of the data that we receive, so I can't think of any other way to learn about the world than to use one's senses to receive data and interpret it with one's mind is my point, and a'scientist' red herringed by me as one who has gone through the rigorous training to use one's senses properly, should be more competent at least in their specific sphere of inquiry at so doing. I mean, see as you disqualified lay person me, lol.

Yes, my "brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements", a fallibility I already admitted to, but the rigour of experimentation learned by a 'scientist' would make one ask and knock and seek so one can separate the wheat from the chaff.

I am not trying to "distract and confuse" you. I'm engaging with your intelligent mind.

You guys can as well have sex on the road.

LordReed:


Leave the thread I created? LoLz, you must be high on expired weed. Bwahahahahaha!

Could we discuss outside here?

HellVictorinho4:




Could we discuss outside here?

Yeah send me an email.

NNTR:


Isaiah 26:9
'In the night my soul longs for You [O LORD], Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently;
For [only] when Your judgments are experienced on the earth Will the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.'

The word translated as Soul is nap̄·šî (Nafsi in Arabic) and it could mean a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

Spirit is translated from rū·ḥî (Ruh in Arabic) and could mean wind, breath, exhalation, life, anger, unsubstantiality, a region of the sky, spirit

Check out these Bible translations of Isaiah 26:9 that never mentioned Soul together with Spirit!

New Living Translation
In the night I search for you; in the morning I earnestly seek you. For only when you come to judge the earth will people learn what is right.

Christian Standard Bible
I long for you in the night; yes, my spirit within me diligently seeks you, for when your judgments are in the land, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I long for You in the night; yes, my spirit within me diligently seeks You, for when Your judgments are in the land, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Good News Translation
At night I long for you with all my heart; when you judge the earth and its people, they will all learn what justice is.

NET Bible
I look for you during the night, my spirit within me seeks you at dawn, for when your judgments come upon the earth, those who live in the world learn about justice.

I still believe that Soul = Spirit.

I am a spirit body. A spirit body is the body of angels and demons residing in the Gargantuan Realm of Dreams situated near the River of Forgetfulness and the Plains of Necessity. The body is composed of sublime alcoholic (No, not that type of alcohol, but the “spiritual” kind) vapors that morph into different shapes.
Spirit bodies form the skeleton of every human and houses the soul. However, you have to be able to perform astral projections to view spirit bodies. After death, the spirit body comes out of the meat body and takes the soul to Holding. When it gets to Holding, the spirit body morphs into a Book of Life and the Council of Divine Simians render judgement based on what’s written in the book. Then the soul is weighed on the Spirit Scales of Justice to determine how heavy it is with sin.

I know this because I ass-tral traveled to the Pleiades and viewed the future of TenQ. That retard is headed for Tartarus after he dies where he will be subjected to headstands for 7,000 years.

LordReed:


Leave the thread I created? LoLz, you must be high on expired weed. Bwahahahahaha!

Never blame God’s own plant for the arrant stupidity displayed on this site. I’m a prophet when it comes to the Divine Weed and I reject your insinuation . These people are just r3tarded.

KnownUnknown:


Never blame God’s own plant for the arrant stupidity displayed on this site. I’m a prophet when it comes to the Divine Weed and I reject your insinuation . These people are just r3tarded.

Forgive me, it was youthful exuberance. LoLz.

LordReed:


Forgive me, it was youthful exuberance. LoLz.

I will roll a blunt and smoke in your honor my good sir.

KnownUnknown:
I am a spirit body. A spirit body is the body of angels and demons residing in the Gargantuan Realm of Dreams situated near the River of Forgetfulness and the Plains of Necessity. The body is composed of sublime alcoholic (No, not that type of alcohol, but the “spiritual” kind) vapors that morph into different shapes.
Spirit bodies form the skeleton of every human and houses the soul. However, you have to be able to perform astral projections to view spirit bodies. After death, the spirit body comes out of the meat body and takes the soul to Holding. When it gets to Holding, the spirit body morphs into a Book of Life and the Council of Divine Simians render judgement based on what’s written in the book. Then the soul is weighed on the Spirit Scales of Justice to determine how heavy it is with sin.

I know this because I ass-tral traveled to the Pleiades and viewed the future of TenQ. That retard is headed for Tartarus after he dies where he will be subjected to headstands for 7,000 years.

He(Ten....Q) refuses to ask , seek and knock towards understanding .....he doesn't have an effective understanding of these matters .....the writing in the Bible is not being effectively understood by him ... I think he should ask Buda who knows the intention of the writers of the Bible.....Buda even knows what the writers wrote mistakenly..... MaXin D House can invite members of the Jehovah's witnesses to testify to these things.



That's for them.


As for you,I think you should never have done certain things some time ago.

LordReed:


Forgive me, it was youthful exuberance. LoLz.

I've sent an email.

budaatum:


You've noticed my red herring definition of science. I'm glad. Note I neither said "trained scientist" nor "expert in the sciences". I red herringed scientist Jesus too.

We humans have no other tools than our senses with which to receive data about the world, and our minds are what we use to make sense of the data that we receive, so I can't think of any other way to learn about the world than to use one's senses to receive data and interpret it with one's mind is my point, and a'scientist' red herringed by me as one who has gone through the rigorous training to use one's senses properly, should be more competent at least in their specific sphere of inquiry at so doing. I mean, see as you disqualified lay person me, lol.

Yes, my "brain can throw illusions at you, and deceive you into making wrong judgements", a fallibility I already admitted to, but the rigour of experimentation learned by a 'scientist' would make one ask and knock and seek so one can separate the wheat from the chaff.

I am not trying to "distract and confuse" you. I'm engaging with your intelligent mind.

Please cut the crap buda . Your not a scientist in any way, whether trained or not.

My first presentation which has led to this, was not to lecture the public on what it means to be a scientist or what the scientific method means

I only tried to highlight the limitations of the scientific method to support my argument that there are things in life science will never make us know or understand.

Anyone who has taken their time to read the other parts of what I wrote, would have understood that by mentioning science and the scientific method, I was talking of how it is understood by expert scientists, and not your subjective understanding of it which you brought in to make me look stupid; that I don't know the meaning of science and the scientific method, and that you, a non scientist, know it more than me ,so you want to lecture me.

This is exactly what you're doing and I believe others following would have noticed it too.

So ,please cut the crap, and state the facts as you know and understand it concerning my main presentation just like Lordreed and others have done

If you have nothing to say no problem. I already mentioned in my introduction that I am not forcing anything on any one. You're free to reject and accept whatever I have posted.

You're also free to announce your subjective definition of science to the world, but to force it on me without highlighting the standard definition to show the difference, means you consider me a stupid person who doesn't know the difference.

HellVictorinho4:




He(Ten....Q) refuses to ask , seek and knock towards understanding .....he doesn't have an effective understanding of these matters .....the writing in the Bible is not being effectively understood by him ... I think he should ask Buda who knows the intention of the writers of the Bible.....Buda even knows what the writers wrote mistakenly..... MaXin D House can invite members of the Jehovah's witnesses to testify to these things.



That's for them.


As for you,I think you should never have done certain things some time ago.

As for you, I think you should have departed this world by now. Are you still scamming? Lol