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| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AllenforGOD(m): 2:44pm On Aug 18, 2022 |
[quote author=AntiChristian post=115663109]QUESTION 1 I find it hard believing a merciful, forgiving and loving God would crucify His beloved son for any reason! Why does the Christian God have to kill his beloved son to forgive sin? Is it that He couldn't forgive sins without shedding blood cos i hear what God cannot do does not exist! What kind of God parameter is the death of the innocent? QUESTION 2 Who Died on the Cross, Jesus God or Jesus Man? QUESTION 3 As a Christian do you believe in three Gods or just one God? Expatiate? QUESTION 4 Mention one Bible verse each that best proves Jesus to be God from the Old and new Testament? QUESTION 5 Of what nature is Jesus, is he divine or human or humanodivine? Give verses to prove thiS.jesus said in revelatiom that he's "i'm he who is alive and was dead and who is to come"ZEALOUS GOD |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 6:29am On Aug 20, 2022 |
[quote author=AllenforGOD post=115822736][/quote] AllenforGOD Type well in between your codes! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:44am On Aug 20, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Heaven or Earth where did God create the first human couple? Why so much suffering? Why the injustice? Why must people have to die? Where are our dead loved ones? What happens when we die? These are life's most important questions any book or religion supposed to provide answers, if your religion fail to do this it simply means you're just one of the misinformed religionists going about arguing blindly.  |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by HisSplendor: 1:12pm On Aug 20, 2022 |
AntiChristian: No. God never killed His Son, He gave His Son because of His love for mankind. God has set laws and ordinances that make the world work. One of those important ordinances is that "Without blood, sins cannot be cleansed." Just as without soap, dirty clothes cannot be neat. This is established truth. Everything in the physical world has its spiritual counterpart. Sin is the spiritual counterpart of dirt. Now, you can forgive your 2yr old for wallowing in the mud and getting himself dirty. By forgiving him, you would not give him any punishment, but out of love and compassion, you'll still take him to the bathroom for a thorough wash. The blood of Jesus provides the thorough wash for a life dirtied by wallowing in the mud of sin. Don't take the love of God for granted. Sin can be forgiven without blood, but cannot be cleansed without it. Hence, if you're not bloodwashed, no matter what you do, your sins remain. Blood is the soap of the spirit realm. Let that sink. Anyone who says you don't need this cleansing is deceiving you. You must be washed even after you're forgiven. God sent His Son to wash away sins. Let this sink. All Spiritual atonements are performed with blood because of this law. But, the blood of Christ is the only instrument that cleanses eternally. Is Jesus man or God? Jesus never declared Himself to be God because of His humility. He actually wanted people to see that by revelation. However, if you want to know, He demonstrated His Godship in His lifetime. Jesus is God in His Spirit but man in His body. In Jesus, God put on man. It was God's Spirit in Mary's womb that got covered with flesh to become the Man Jesus. For all other men, man's spirit is covered with man's flesh. In Jesus, God's Spirit was covered with man's flesh. He's both human and divine. Today, those who walk with Christ become men who put on God. This you cannot understand. They don't become God for putting on God because they're man in their spirit. The spirit of man is the real man. Man is man because he's man in his spirit. Christ is God, because He's God in His Spirit. The Spirit is the real deal. The body is just a clothing. There are spiritual things you can only understand in your spirit. The spirit realm is not a realm of logic. Logic is only meant for the physical world. Or, how would you explain a situation where you had a 10 seconds dream that takes you a whole hour to narrate? Spiritual people can only try hard to explain spiritual concepts, but the language of man has very limited vocabulary to explain spiritual truths. Hence, the revelation of the Holy Spirit is needed. If you can realise today that sin is spiritual dirt very visible to spiritual eyes, just as dirty clothes are visible to physical eyes, you'll be one step closer to salvation. You see, a goat never knows that your son who wallowed in the dirt is dirty. Only you can see that because you're human. Right now, you don't know you're spiritually dirty because of sin, only God, angels, demons and Satan can see that because they're spirits. |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 3:35pm On Aug 20, 2022 |
HisSplendor: I didn't need to finish your false write up! God didn't kill his son but sent his son to die.... All na lie! We believe your God is unable to forgive sins without blood! And that's why the vicarious atonement ritual sacrifice of his only son! Allah forgives without blood sacrifice! He even does not need having sons or heirs to function in his dominion! Alhamdulillah for being a Muslim! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by HisSplendor: 12:33pm On Aug 23, 2022 |
AntiChristian: You seem to see my mentions as attacks. If that's the way they appear, I apologise. But, honestly, all I'm saying is the truth, and I'm saying them with love for your soul in hope that you'll be able to discover the falsehood in what you're holding. Please read my last mention to you to the end, which I have reposted below. It contains some deep spiritual truths. I also included an observation about Islam which I earnestly wanted you to comment on. ************ No. God never killed His Son, He gave His Son because of His love for mankind. God has set laws and ordinances that make the world work. One of those important ordinances is that "Without blood, sins cannot be cleansed." Just as without soap, dirty clothes cannot be neat. This is established truth. Everything in the physical world has its spiritual counterpart. Sin is the spiritual counterpart of dirt. Now, you can forgive your 2yr old for wallowing in the mud and getting himself dirty. By forgiving him, you would not give him any punishment, but out of love and compassion, you'll still take him to the bathroom for a thorough wash. The blood of Jesus provides the thorough wash for a life dirtied by wallowing in the mud of sin. Don't take the love of God for granted. Sin can be forgiven without blood, but cannot be cleansed without it. Hence, if you're not bloodwashed, no matter what you do, your sins remain. Blood is the soap of the spirit realm. Let that sink. Anyone who says you don't need this cleansing is deceiving you. You must be washed even after you're forgiven. God sent His Son to wash away sins. Let this sink. All Spiritual atonements are performed with blood because of this law. But, the blood of Christ is the only instrument that cleanses eternally. Is Jesus man or God? Jesus never declared Himself to be God because of His humility. He actually wanted people to see that by revelation. However, if you want to know, He demonstrated His Godship in His lifetime. Jesus is God in His Spirit but man in His body. In Jesus, God put on man. It was God's Spirit in Mary's womb that got covered with flesh to become the Man Jesus. For all other men, man's spirit is covered with man's flesh. In Jesus, God's Spirit was covered with man's flesh. He's both human and divine. Today, those who walk with Christ become men who put on God. This you cannot understand. They don't become God for putting on God because they're man in their spirit. The spirit of man is the real man. Man is man because he's man in his spirit. Christ is God, because He's God in His Spirit. The Spirit is the real deal. The body is just a clothing. There are spiritual things you can only understand in your spirit. The spirit realm is not a realm of logic. Logic is only meant for the physical world. Or, how would you explain a situation where you had a 10 seconds dream that takes you a whole hour to narrate? Spiritual people can only try hard to explain spiritual concepts, but the language of man has very limited vocabulary to explain spiritual truths. Hence, the revelation of the Holy Spirit is needed. If you can realise today that sin is spiritual dirt very visible to spiritual eyes, just as dirty clothes are visible to physical eyes, you'll be one step closer to salvation. You see, a goat never knows that your son who wallowed in the dirt is dirty. Only you can see that because you're human. Right now, you don't know you're spiritually dirty because of sin, only God, angels, demons and Satan can see that because they're spirits. |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:45pm On Aug 23, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Worshiper of a god who can't separate it's true adherents from false. A god represented by an Arabian whose lifestyle is nothing to write home about. A god that failed to make love and peace reign in the midst of it's adherents. I'm sorry for you! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 8:40am On Aug 25, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Grandpa, i pity you more! Ending your life as a JW won't be cool! And God need not separate us here on earth! That's for the Judgement day! And we have love among our adherent even if it's still a WIP. And if our Prophet was as bad as you claimed many Christians and non-Muslims won't have spoken well of him. Only people like you with sight but no insight will say such about him. I am sorry for you too sir!  |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:39am On Aug 25, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Present the students that has learned from your prophet so the whole world can evaluate his authenticity through what is happening among those adhering to his teachings! Matthew 7:16 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 5:28am On Aug 26, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You need to first show us the evidence that your Jesus came back in 1914 to create Jehovah witness. Don't wait for watchtower materials before you answer! 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:59am On Aug 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Ọmọ i don't need the Watchtower material before i can address this! Before 1914 Which of all the religions claiming Christians are preaching from house to house and door to door just as Jesus commanded his disciples? Matthew 10:11-13 Which of them is baptizing them and teaching them to continue living according to Jesus' teachings? Matthew 28:18-20 Which of them successfully erased racism and military services from their hearts {Matthew 26:52} so as to make them love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to love their fellow believers just as Jesus loves them? John 13:34-35 Which of them is free from protesting against the authorities? Mark 12:13-17 Which of them is able to gather people from all races throughout the earth and making them one family with the same line of thought? John 17:20-23 There is countless evidence pointing to the JWs claims that a mighty spirit King has been around gathering his subjects from one corner of the earth to the extremity of the planet! Matthew 13:30 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 8:14am On Aug 26, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So all those who lived from 0AD - 1913 were largely unguided by your 1914 Jesus till he came? This is misguidance! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:58am On Aug 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian:After the death of all his first century disciples true Christianity disappeared not until his return in 1914! After considering how Satan, demons and their human agents will mix up {Matthew 13:25} with the Christians, Jesus said: "when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8 Well what everyone can see before and after 1914 is evidence that the answer to the above question is NO! It was after his return in 1914 that Christianity was restored! 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 10:13am On Aug 26, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: What's the context of that verse you erroneously quoted? |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:41am On Aug 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Before talking about erroneous quotation that is out of context, do you believe that Jesus said something like that? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 11:48am On Aug 26, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Wetin be the context first? |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:58am On Aug 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Don't complicate issues for yourself, if you believe that Jesus said something like that then we can now talk about the context. This is not Islam where you have your WEAK and STRONG Hadiths!  |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 4:51pm On Aug 26, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Of Cos the Bible is comparable only to fabricated Hadiths! It has no reliable Isnad. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:02pm On Aug 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Good! So if i view your Qu'ran as worthless and you also view my Bible the same way then there's no reason for you and i quoting or arguing with each other over what is written in those book. The only thing we can do to justify what is written in our books is a presentation of the result of what we have learned so far in those books. That's why i keep asking for a worthy group of the adherents of your Qu'ran so we can compare them to Jehovah's Witnesses. Your usual argument that JWs are banned in some countries is childish since all sorts of people like gays, lesbians, bestialists, crossdressers and many more are accepted as members of the society in most countries. So if a group is under attack just because of their beliefs which has no negative impact on the welfare of any society then something is wrong somewhere! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 4:11pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I once asked you a question which you were unable to answer or you rather answered sheepishly as usual probably since there was no watchtower command for you to copy n paste. How did your version of Bible get their own translation? 1Samuel 13:1 - Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman Evangelists, Pastors, Missionaries, and Bishops will not stop telling us that the Bible is the word of God. When we study the Bible carefully, we will discover that this is the greatest blasphemy of all time. The book of 1Samuel 13:1 and its translation in versions of the Bible has caused a great embarrassment for Christian apologists: 1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years. 2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel. 3. KING JAMES BIBLE Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel 4. NET BIBLE Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years. 5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977 Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel. 6. JPS TANAKH 1917 Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel. 7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel 8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel The bible is far from being the word of God and as David Cross puts it, ” Back when the bible was written, then edited, then rewritten, rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, then re-re-re- re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally 30 to 90 years after they happened, to people who did not how to write...so..." Any seeker of truth should not find it difficult to disregard the bible being the complete word of God rather it is a book that contains the words of God, Historians, Poets, Kings, etc... From the book, 'Truth for the Truth Seekers - (A total demystification of the Bible and Christianity (Revised Edition) Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:25pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: You've forgotten that i'm no longer a Muslim were you guys are fed with worthless stories of no practical benefits. What concerns me with how a book was translated after i have seen it's benefits? Ọmọ i'm not worshiping a foreign God because of the books rather i'm worshiping the God my ancestors never knew because i'm seeing the practical benefits of what this God does. So if it's about stories of how books got to you go and ask those who brought your Qu'ran and how it was preached to your ancestors!  1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 4:49pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Just the typical nonsense you typed back then! If your Books can't be translated accurately despite the claim in 2 Tim 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" so wetin come remain? Na to just use style divert attention! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:58pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: That's why your Islam is all about bowing and kissing the black stone in Mecca! Intelligent people know that when different persons are called forward to translate what someone said and their translations doesn't bring out the same meaning then the next step to take is put them all to test by practicing what they teach. The one that produced the expected result is the CORRECT translation! But in the case where none could produce the expected result then it means none of them is correct. JEHOVAH has declared through Isaiah and repeated it through Micah what His worshipers will be doing during the endtime! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 Of all the religions on this planet only one made it: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES So their translation has been CORRECT all allow! 1 Like |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by SlayerofSatan: 2:58am On Aug 28, 2022 |
Imagine the stupidity of this headslammer who is obsessed with Christianity while his own garbage religion is full of lies and stupidity. Religion founded by an illiterate criminal. AntiChristian: 1 Like
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| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 7:23am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Even your Jesus of 1914 can't correct this blunder before he left again! What a misnomer of catastrophic proportion! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by AntiChristian: 7:30am On Aug 28, 2022 |
SlayerofSatan: I no dey give much hoot about diversions from ninnies. |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:01am On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian:This is where WISDOM comes in! Jesus returned in 1914 according to a group of people and from what we all know Jesus was a teacher of righteousness which you also agree with so if the group lied regarding this teacher certainly it's by continuous assessment that we can know a tree doesn't grow and yield fruit swiftly it takes time! Matthew 7:16-18 So if over the years from 1914 till today JWs have successfully gathered people throughout the earth in millions {Micah 4:1} used what Jesus corrected to teach this millions {Micah 4:2} to erased politics, racism and military services from their hearts so that they've diverted their resources into the production of food and information materials, and finally all their members vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again {Micah 4:3} certainly Jesus has been working with them because that's exactly what the scriptures said he will achieve with his teachings! |
| Re: Why Does God Have To Kill His Son (or A Part Of Himself)? by SlayerofSatan: 1:11pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
Of course because the stupidity of your koran and useless nature of allah when it comes to protecting the koran makes you ashamed! Every Christian here has answered your question, but you refuse to answer the question about your useless copy copy manuscript  Why did "prophet" Sex Award Winner (SAW) make animal noises when he was revealing the ikuran? AntiChristian:
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