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ltspccn:



My brother, may the Almighty God save and deliver you from the shackles of that wicked demon.

I need to tell you the truth, I have been in your shoes for the past nine years of my life, being tormented by this sexual demon as a result of my sin.

Nothing has been working in my life, all my mates have gone ahead, living in the west, they are now managers and working with big multinationals like Google, Wikepedia, Goldmansach and the likes, even those that are far behind me had left me on a spot and have gone ahead.

It has been failure upon failure, shame, disgrace, hatred, no destiny helper, no open doors, no job, pains, sickness, weakness, I kept using malaria drugs all the time to make myself healthy and this demon will not leave me alone

The truth of the matter is that, people that experience this kind of problem, right from the womb, the hand and the mark of God is upon them, that is why the devil makes them a point of attack so as not to fulfilled their God given destiny and to keep them in bondage all the time and anytime they want to be free or forsake their sinful life, the devil will intensify the torment.

I have been to so many places for delieverance but this demon keeps proving so sturborn not until I met the God of Elijah, the God of servant Victor.

Within few days that I met this man of God, he just gave me some instruction to follow and since then, I have been seeing tremendous changes in my life.

My brother, the devil will not want you to be delivered but trust me If you are ready to take a step, forsake your sinful ways, believe and have faith in the God of Elijah, you will be delievered totally

Below is one of the delieverance clip of the of the servant of God, pls download it and listen to it and use it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNpEhya3WkY

And if you want his personal line, you can drop your email or phone number, I will send his number to you, so you can talk to him

God bless
Shalom

GreatVocalist:

It's not about the yearning, it's about the drawing. That's my emphasis. You did not start obeying simply because you chose to. You couldn't have started obeying all by yourself, it's impossible. All that comes through faith, which is given by the Father.

Again, whatever you want to call it or however you chose to twist it. The fact remains that where God is concerned, obedience is the key. This is what was taught by John the Baptist and also by Jesus Christ.

As for your claim that it us impossible for me to have obeyed God, it is this reason why the would thinks Christians are foolish beings. The same way you obey your boss at work, is the same way you can choose to obey Jesus Christ rather than disobey Him. There is nothing unnatural about these things. Even atheists make this choice every moment of their lives.

GreatVocalist:

That's not true.

The basic reason anyone would obey their boss is simply because he/she is their boss. There's a foundational obligation to do that. If you don't obey your boss, you'll be fired. So obeying your boss is not basically a matter of choice, it's a matter of obligation.

But you are the one not making any sense here.

The basic reason you are to obey God is because you adopt Him as your master/boss and if you do not obey Him, you will not receive from Him, your Master, that which is promised. So it is also an obligation on your part to obey Him in order to receive from Him. If you chose to live according to Jesus Christ, you are obligated by God to obey Jesus Christ. If you don't do so, you will never receive that which God promised only to those who obey Jesus Christ.

If you, like those who chose to live in disobedience refuse to obey Him, you will not receive from God that which God has promised only to those who obey His teachings and commandments. This is simple even a child can grasp it. Why you refuse Him is beyond me..

GreatVocalist:

Why I refuse him? This is quite laughable.

Brother man, we are not robots. God did not give us the gift of freewill for nothing. Our obedience to God is not a function of our obligation (even if we're meant to obey him as his creations). But he wants more than obligation, he wants something more than a duty-influenced obedience. He wants love, he wants us to love him and his ways. John 14:23 talks about love as the prerequisite to obedience. You can obey him out of obligation or duty, and yet not love him. Such form of obedience does not please God, and that is called lip service (Matthew 15:.

A person who obeys a boss, mother or father is not a robot but a person who obeys God is a robot?

LoL.... you folks are funny.

GreatVocalist:
Again, if your obedience is not motivated by love for God stirred up by the Holy spirit, you're merely being self-righteous and such righteousness is filthy. Think again, why are you really obeying?

My obedience is motivated by love for God? Problem is you lot have it all so twisted that you don't even know your backsides from your front.

I told you that I chose to obey God because I wanted answers and had a need in my life that only God to meet. There was no "love for God" that motivated my obedience. God does not require you first have this "love for God" before you can obey Him. In fact, God instead said that the only way you can express love for Him is by obeying His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 20 - 25. So, if you don't first obey Him, how can you claim to be motivated by "love for Him"? Of what meaning is this "love for God" which you claim if you have yet to in fact obey Him to begin with?

So no, I wasn't motivated by a "love for God" but instead by my desire to find answers to my own problems. That God says that I show love for Him when I obey Him is God telling me He approves of my obedience of Him ...

GreatVocalist:

Robots function according to how their programmed. A person naturally obeys his boss does so because it's an obligation, he doesn't want to be fired. As such, when he quits that job or eventually gets fired, then he can act the way he wants because there's no employer-employee relationship between them. This is not the relationship God wants with us, he wants something more than that. That's why he gave us the ability to choose.

God programmed man from His beginning to choose either obedience or disobedience. God's relationship with man, beginning with Adam has been based on man's choice of either obedience or disobedience of God's commands. In much the same way man choose to honor his relationship with a boss, a parent or even a doctor, man is meant to honor the relationship He chooses to form with God.

But somehow a relationship with God that requires obedience of the terms and conditions of the relationship amounts to man living as if a robot?

GreatVocalist:
1. Why are you contradicting yourself? How can you express what you don't have? If you do not have love for God, how then will you be able to express the love by obeying his commandments?

2. You sought God because you had some unmet needs that you needed him to help you sought out. That means your “love” is conditional, not genuine. God wants us to love him and as such prove this love by doing what he asks us to do.

3. Yes, God wants to meet our needs but the meeting of this needs is not an end in itself, it's a means to an end: the end is recognizing that he loves you and he cares for you. It is this recognition that leads us to discovering who we really are and why we need to love him.

4. If your obedience is not driven by love, then you're merely being self-righteous because that righteousness does not come from God.

1. I am your confusion is yours and not mine.

First of all, how does God define this love for Him? God said to love Him means to submit to and obey His teachings and commandments. If you don't obey God, you don't have love for God.

2. My love is conditional? Am I supposed to be better than God whose love for me in Jesus Christ is conditioned on what is submission and obedience of His teachings and commandments - John 15 vs 9 - 11 & John 13 vs 1.

Since God's love for us in Jesus Christ is conditional love, does that also mean Jesus Christ's love is not genuine?

3. Now you are simply spewing meaningless soundbites that are typical with those who don't obey the teachings and commandments of God but are quick to speak out in their silliness.

Look, having your needs continously met by God through continuous submission and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - life of faith - is a different life than the one you were born into. It requires continued obedience until the end for the reality to be maintained since the more you live it the more faith you acquire in the process.

4. You don't even understand the meaning of the term self-righteous, do you?

Look, what God wants from you is obedience. The "love for God" soundbite is not what He asked for - He never said "you must first love me before you can obey me..." God never said that. So I don't know where you get your ideas from because it is not of God..

ltspccn:



My brother, may the Almighty God save and deliver you from the shackles of that wicked demon.

I need to tell you the truth, I have been in your shoes for the past nine years of my life, being tormented by this sexual demon as a result of my sin.

Nothing has been working in my life, all my mates have gone ahead, living in the west, they are now managers and working with big multinationals like Google, Wikepedia, Goldmansach and the likes, even those that are far behind me had left me on a spot and have gone ahead.

It has been failure upon failure, shame, disgrace, hatred, no destiny helper, no open doors, no job, pains, sickness, weakness, I kept using malaria drugs all the time to make myself healthy and this demon will not leave me alone

The truth of the matter is that, people that experience this kind of problem, right from the womb, the hand and the mark of God is upon them, that is why the devil makes them a point of attack so as not to fulfilled their God given destiny and to keep them in bondage all the time and anytime they want to be free or forsake their sinful life, the devil will intensify the torment.

I have been to so many places for delieverance but this demon keeps proving so sturborn not until I met the God of Elijah, the God of servant Victor.

Within few days that I met this man of God, he just gave me some instruction to follow and since then, I have been seeing tremendous changes in my life.

My brother, the devil will not want you to be delivered but trust me If you are ready to take a step, forsake your sinful ways, believe and have faith in the God of Elijah, you will be delievered totally

Below is one of the delieverance clip of the of the servant of God, pls download it and listen to it and use it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNpEhya3WkY

And if you want his personal line, you can drop your email or phone number, I will send his number to you, so you can talk to him

God bless
Shalom

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GreatVocalist:

Such obedience depicts God as an imposing and overtly bossy tyrant king who doesn't give his people a chance to make their choices. That is not who God is. He's an all-powerful and sovereign God, but he's also humble.

You folks are funny.

So in your other relationships, obedience is not a sign of tyranny but the moment God demands your obedience in your relationship with Him, you term it so?

LOL..

GreatVocalist:
q. God's love for you or mankind is never conditional.

2. He loves because it is in his NATURE to love (1st John 4: , not because we love him.

3. If God's love was conditional, then he wouldn't be called LOVE.

1. So are you saying Jesus Christ who told you that God's love is Him is conditioned on obedience- John 3 vs 16 and John 15 vs 9 - 11 lied?

2. You say it is in God's nature to love then surely you will agree that even when God buried about 14,000 Israelites in the ground for disobeying Him, that was love in action, right?

3. Really? From the time of Adam, God's love has been conditioned on obedience. Obedience is met with reward whereas disobedience of God's commandments met with punishment. It was so during Adam’s time and so even today. So at what point in time do you pretend to have experienced this which you consider unconditional love?

GreatVocalist:

You clearly do not have understanding, guy. God demands obedience, but he doesn't want an obligation-motivated obedience alone. He wants a love-motivated obedience. How is this difficult to grasp? You keep attaching a Bible reference that explains that, yet you're saying something else.

Do you playback your own thoughts at least to be certain of its soundness?

God demands yet He doesn't want obligation? It is these sort of screwed-up soundbites that leave many Churchians confused about who God is and what He really wants.

Your pastors and mogs are the ones who fill your heads with this nonsense abeg.

Look, God is a King and He demands obedience from His sons and His subjects. If you don't like being ruled over by a king or being a servant to a master, then you have absolutely no business engaging God to begin with. Sadly you will easily serve another human being but find it utterly revolting to serve God in the same manner- in obedience - that is what makes this utterly sad.

Kobojunkie:
So, you mean these teachings of God and Jesus Christ are gibberish to you?

kobo apparently u are a pervert,and all stated by u here and now in contrary to that of jesus.

GreatVocalist:

The fact that God demands obedience as a kingdom principle and yet doesn't want that obedience to be based on obligation, is actually what makes Him an amazing king and father.

This is why I hate soundbite Christianity as it is nothing but lies.

The same amazing King and Father promises to throw all those who claim to believe in Him but refuse to obey His teachings and commandments in to the place of eternal damnation - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. So does that not sound to you like obedience is an obligation for all those who claim to believe in Jesus Christ?

Or are you trying here to rewrite even the dictionary meaning of the word in your refusal to obey Jesus Christ?

GreatVocalist:

1. John 3:16 says nothing about God's love being conditional. It simply expresses the extent and depth of God's love. Man deserves condemnation for rebelling against God. When man sinned in the garden of Eden, he was in essence saying “We can do without you, God. We can live our lives the way we want and cope really fine”. For this reason, God let man be on his own, and as such he no longer became a citizen of God's kingdom. Man literally gained “independence” from God.

John 3 vs 16 tells you that eternal life is only available to those who obey God's commandment to obey Jesus Christ, does it not? Meaning the offer of love is conditional .

GreatVocalist:

2. Now you seem to be at war with yourself with respect to the power of God's love. You're indirectly saying you don't even believe that God's love could be so deep that man could become so awed. It noteworthy that God's standards of righteousness, goodness and love are infinitely higher than ours. We cannot use our moral restrictions to judge his actions. He is the sovereign king, and he chooses actions for his own purposes. Every action he made right from the moment of the fall of man was ultimately orchestrated for the arrival of Christ to redeem man, and it doesn't matter who stood in his way. God would do anything to save his children, and his actions could not be judged by man.

3. If God's love for you was conditional, do you think you'd even have the guts to call him Father today?

2. Stop spewing meaningless soundbites and try to think for yourself in this.

2. Again, You say it is in God's nature to love then surely you will agree that even when God buried about 14,000 Israelites in the ground for disobeying Him, that was love in action, right?

3. YES! I call Him Father today not because I make myself to but He because He wants me to as one who obeys Him.

GreatVocalist:
1. I don't know how my comments here have shown that I do not obey, or want to obey Christ. How do you think sef?

2. Let me ask you a question. Why do you obey God's commandments? Is it because you love his commandments or simply because he asked you to do obey?

1. Jesus Christ said "by their fruits, you shall know them....". Do you know what those fruits are born of? They are born of obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. You can't fake the fruits born of obedience.

2. When I first started, I obeyed because that was what He wanted of us who wanted to reach Him. Now, I love His commandments because they make absolutely sense to me. I can't even imagine myself living my life and other way. Plus, having God as my one and only Master, as opposed to having to obey my bosses, doctors, teachers, parents.... is so much simpler and easier.

GreatVocalist:

So that means God's offer for salvation is for a select few? Have you read Luke 5:32 and Mark 2:17? You reek of self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

Well duh!

Jesus Christ told you that to enter into the Kingdom of God there are two gates... a Broad Gate which many will find that leads to destruction at the end and a Narrow gate which only a few will find that leads to True Life - John 3 vs 5 - 8 & Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 28

The same Jesus Christ also taught that only those who stand faithful - living their life on continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - will be saved - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13.

So tell me, does this also mean you believe Jesus Christ reeks of self-righteousness and hypocrisy?

GreatVocalist:
1. And how have my comments shown that obedience is not a fruit of the Spirit? I have been here making you try to see that your obedience to God should not be solely obligatory, but your love for him will enable you fulfill these obligations without struggle. Yet, you keep misconstruing my words.

2. Now do you obey because of that love for his commandments or because to you, it's just a duty?

1. First is simple. No one who obeys God will argue against obedience of God's teachings and commandments the way you have done even to this point.

2. I have already given you the reasons why I obey.