raumdeuter:


Govt run refineries will never work, Infact govt run brothels will never work. Govt can sell air or water and still declare losses. Govt should never be into running businesses jst be regulators and tax collector

If you have ever tried to do anything with a govt parastatal vs a Private one you will know that govt should sell those refineries and stop wasting scarce money on any silly revamp whch is just a means of stealing everything

Android17:
Buhari failed for sure however in the townhall organized following the subsidy removal with SLS, NOI, DAM in attendance all of them had predicted that the next president of Nigeria (2015 and beyond) was going to face serious financial problems because of this subsidy. At that time, they did not even factor COVID-19 into their equation. Buhari was simply dealt a bad hand. Granted, he failed while at it but he was still dealt a bad hand.

izzou:


Like i said, your analogy is exonerating him the more.

GEJ wanted to stop it
Buhari protested.
Buhari became president and continued paying it.

So if you are telling there's a cartel, it should be among the person that stopped his bread from being taken away.

Buhari deregistered and re-registered any marketer doesn't change the fact that Nigeria is paying trillions for subsidy, and we are deeply in debt because of it.

Just leave GEJ and Buhari out of this discussion. I was not even referring to them in the first place.

Android17:
I accepted that Buhari himself failed but you are asking why the tree was not planted in his administration and I am showing you why the tree was better planted "20 years ago".

Nigerians protested subsidy removal under Jonathan. My guess is it would have been better accepted under an OBj administration. If you want people to give a child injection knowing it will hurt them, you have to be a nurse they trust.

Segedinho:

Did they factor d calculated daily theft of crudes,money stolen by animals....

All these are just agenda to exonerate d so-called hardened general who swore to be brutal...

How much has he borrowed for infrastructure?what stop him in building refinery to his name from the borrowed bucks

The subsidy is a scam and Bubu has come to realised how much could be moved in a second......reason he became d minister of pet

izzou:


We have seen state government run businesses and it works.

Government can actually do it, if they want

izzou:


I am not talking about the past. I wasn't either. Na una carry GEJ and Buhari come here.

My point initially is that it needs to go. We can't pretend like we can pay it anymore.

That's my own reality.

izzou:


I am not talking about the past. I wasn't either. Na una carry GEJ and Buhari come here.

My point initially is that it needs to go. We can't pretend like we can pay it anymore.

That's my own reality.

izzou:


GEJ did want to remove it. Remember?

It was people in this government that protested. Today, they are there, and they can't remove it.

People in power are the importers. The capital to import 1 million liters of PMS no be beans.

Then imagine government paying 250, while the people pay 200. Which business get this kind assurance?

BlueRayDick:


Please mention the businesses state governments run that are actually profitable .

Android17:
I agree with your underlying point my guy. I am just showing you how complicated it is in the contraption called Nigeria.

izzou:


State governments run secondary and even Universities

They run Waste Management boards

They run Radio and TV stations

They run Vehicle licencing

They run their own hospitals too.

izzou:
And what is even vexing me os how the supposed potentials are just avoiding that talk

Its as if everybody is pretending like its not a big deal

raumdeuter:


You think they are well run? Compare all these side by side with anyone thats privately run and you will see the difference

That was how we thought NITEL was working until private carriers like MTN and Econet came

raumdeuter:


All of them are saying they will remove subsidy, but in reality I doubt they will. Any govt that does will face a massive uprising that might topple it

So they just kick the can down the road and hope someone in the future will carry the mess

Its the difference bwteeen what is right to do and what is realistic given our scenario

GloriousGbola:
Nepa just brought light. They are even trying small now. I had actually put off the gen to reduce petrol use , but someone put it back on.

Petrol is the energy most homes and businessrs run on in Nigeria.

izzou:
Southern candidates need to caution Wike, to be honest


https://www.nairaland.com/7426228/pdp-loyalist-rivers-state-forced

GloriousGbola:


This is a Nigerian story as old as the hills.


They should have cautioned wike on this from the very beginning of his tenure.

But then he was wicked wike serving it hot and wotowoto to the hated opposition. Wike has done all this and more. No be apc guys getting beheaded at one time?

Now it is established as how to deal with your opponent, so here we are

izzou:
Southern candidates need to caution Wike, to be honest


https://www.nairaland.com/7426228/pdp-loyalist-rivers-state-forced

raumdeuter:


This happens in most states. I have seen video of PDP members taken to shrine to swear loyalty to Fayose and they were saying things like

"Ti mo ba dale Oshoko ki gbogbo molebi mi ku" If I betray Oshoko(Fayose) all my family should die a violent death

We saw TA Orji and Ngige butt naked at Okija shrine

Na Lagos politics be playplay, some other places its literally a game of death

I understand when its between two different parties or a battle for loyalty

But this is the same party, with one person telling people not to vote his party's candidate because he's a Northerner

Just yesterday, Ortom apologized because of hos Fulani statement.

Na Wike go be spoiler for both BAT and Obi.

izzou:


I'm not even talking about what he's serving. Its the perception for me.

Very soon, it would be interpreted as the South candidates against Atiku.

Wike would indirectly be pushing Atiku to get more Northern votes, with this nonsense he's doing

GloriousGbola:


i will start off with the fact that i am often paranoid, and in addition, i am an engineer who has worked in oil and gas

the industry trains you to take safety seriously. the problem with safety is that it comes at a cost. both in timeliness and in cash

but the more cash you have , the more you will [if you are intelligent] push that money into making the workplace safe, because if for no other reason, an accident will cause disruption to operations, increased cost, litigation, etc

in 2015 or so, my wife fell down and broke her wrist. she had been standing on a stool that was on a table. after we left the hospital - i immediately went and bought two step ladders. one for upstairs one for downstairs. because i know someone in the house might be like the ladder was too far away so i decided to use a stool . that is the proper response to an incident. also - anyone in safety will tell you - a death NEVER happens in isolation. there were always some incidents or near misses - which present an opportunity to start proper preventive measures. there were other incidents in Davido's house - maybe they were not reported; maybe they said na God's intervention - and so here we are today.

i constantly harangue and harass everyone when i see them doing something that can cause an accident. and i tell them - do you want to spend the next six months in the hospital? that place you don't like?

i bought my wife a car last year, completely unplanned, a major fking dent in finances - because her banger was constantly breaking down and the mechanics were not helping matters. why? because the last thing you want is to be in a car that breaks down at 8pm in orile or oshodi or other parts of Lagos. then a small incident can be multiplied. ask yourself today - have i don all i can to mitigate potential incidents? what are the things i need to do? i know for instance that as soon as some extra cash comes in, i will change the tires on my wifes car. same reason. they are looking worn. rather than wait for an incident.

the poor will always live with risk because safety is about money. so they will enter danfos with inebriated driver, no seatbelt, no brakes, worn tires. but davido is rich. none of these things should be an issue for him. he travels abroad and he sees friends who have fully childproofed their homes

also, this has HAPPENED before. it happened to dbanj. anyone with a modicum of sense would have immediately called an expensive architect to ask - how do i stop this from happening in my own home? but that is for people who are ready to grow up and learn responsibility.

everyone is 'empathizing' with davido, but no one is saying what should be said - THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.

maybe davido will use his platform to push for swimming pool safety going forward. because it is not just him an dbanj. every year youths drown in hotel swimming pools while out partying.

i was arguing with someone else and then i realized the difference between us and the west. because in the west at least one person who is a victim in this kind of thing will become an activist to ensure it does not happen again. over here we will wring our hands, empathize each and every time it happens, but do nothing to prevent a future occurrence.

raumdeuter:

Wike is an unhinged person and no one can reason with him

E get why Atiku and Tinubu have lasted in politics for long, Its because they are relatable to others and they are not vindictive. Can people in Rivers be insulting Wike the way everyone insults Tinubu sometimes to his face

izzou:


Very unhinged, walahi.

If you don't want to support your party, why not do it low key?

This guy go do great disservice to Southern candidates. No wonder Atiku no even talk plenty again.

izzou:


I am not talking about the past. I wasn't either. Na una carry GEJ and Buhari come here.

My point initially is that it needs to go. We can't pretend like we can pay it anymore.

That's my own reality.

izzou:
Southern candidates need to caution Wike, to be honest


https://www.nairaland.com/7426228/pdp-loyalist-rivers-state-forced

raumdeuter:

Wike is an unhinged person and no one can reason with him

E get why Atiku and Tinubu have lasted in politics for long, Its because they are relatable to others and they are not vindictive. Can people in Rivers be insulting Wike the way everyone insults Tinubu sometimes to his face

izzou:


I understand when its between two different parties or a battle for loyalty

But this is the same party, with one person telling people not to vote his party's candidate because he's a Northerner

Just yesterday, Ortom apologized because of hos Fulani statement.

Na Wike go be spoiler for both BAT and Obi.