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Lee Strobel, omo ogbon

“True evolution” you read in a forged book?

I’d love to see you prove with Evidence that “Jesus Christ” existed, and also the origins of Yahweh before israelite discover it.

OLAADEGBU:
Good Science vs Bad Science

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Ahhh, good science like how only 2 ants gave birth to all the ant species we see today? That type of good science? LMAO.

Laws Of Logic
Ken Ham

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OLAADEGBU:
Laws Of Logic
Ken Ham

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LoLz! So why were the laws of logic not described in the bible? Why didn't Jesus talk about them? Bwahahahahaha!

The Human Heart - Fearfully And Wonderfully Made

The human heart stripped of fat and muscle, with just the angel veins exposed. Evolution didn't do this!

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LordReed:


LoLz! So why were the laws of logic not described in the bible? Why didn't Jesus talk about them? Bwahahahahaha!

It is only the Christian worldview that is ultimately and consistently logical. If you want to know how Jesus used logic in answering questions, then read Mark 11:29-33. The evolutionary worldview cannot account for the laws of logic.

OLAADEGBU:


It is only the Christian worldview that is ultimately and consistently logical. If you want to know how Jesus used logic in answering questions, then read Mark 11:29-33. The evolutionary worldview cannot account for the laws of logic.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it still make a noise? Yes it does. Logic exists because the universe exists even if we weren't here to describe Logic it would still exist therefore evolution doesn't need to account for logic.

LoLz @ Jesus used logic. Anybody can use logic but not everyone can describe the laws of logic and Jesus definitely didn't nor does any book of the Bible. If logic was so important to your god how come he never teaches anybody logic from Genesis to Revelation? I mean it meant a lot to your so called god to teach about how to own slaves but not a peep about logic. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:


If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it still make a noise? Yes it does. Logic exists because the universe exists even if we weren't here to describe Logic it would still exist therefore evolution doesn't need to account for logic.

You believe the universe exists, does your worldview explain the ultimate cause of the universe? How do you account for the existence and properties of logic. Do you believe that the laws of logic are universal, if not why not?

LordReed:


LoLz @ Jesus used logic. Anybody can use logic but not everyone can describe the laws of logic and Jesus definitely didn't nor does any book of the Bible. If logic was so important to your god how come he never teaches anybody logic from Genesis to Revelation? I mean it meant a lot to your so called god to teach about how to own slaves but not a peep about logic. Bwahahahahaha!

Why do we all believe the laws of logic does not change even though they are not material?. When people use the laws of logic, they have confidence in something they cannot observe with their senses and this is a type of faith. If you atheists use the laws of logic you are borrowing from the Christian worldview which is based on faith and reason.

The Bible And Science Go Together

I will say this, and post it to the top of the page for all to see, whether believer or non-believer.

There is not ONE issue, not ONE problem, not ONE conflict between the Bible and science, and every single false claim by those who say otherwise has been rebutted and answered.

Thousands of scientists who affirm to a Biblical Christian worldview who take the Bible at face value, work to come up with these answers based on their own studies, and studies of Scripture. If anyone is ever in doubt that this is true, you are welcome to visit the link provided to see just how many of these scientists hold to a Biblical Christian worldview.

https://creation.com/creation-scientists

Again, nothing is at odds with the Bible and science. All has been addressed and explained.
We just reiterate here what they've taught us already

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The Fibonacci spiral is a mathematical sequence pattern found throughout God's Creation. How can this be explained without a Creator? It took intelligence to put this sequence into place. We also call this the Golden Ratio.
https://creation.com/golden-numbers

Petrified Trees...Evidence For Noah's Flood And A Young Earth! (Polystrate Fossils)

In rock "layers" to a secular scientist, one centimeter dated per thousand years is typical. One look is all it takes to be able to date the rocks, according to the evolutionary time-frame of millions of years. It's an invalid assumption most often used, but finds like this are what we as Bible believing Christians would expect: petrified trees jutting through several "layers" of rock. It shows that something washed the trees into place at the same time, and argues against multiple layers totaling millions of years. These fossils, also called polystrate fossils, are found all over the world, and they speak volumes for the truth and validity of the Bible. It should also be noted that tree fossils are not the only fossils standing up through many "layers." Once, an entire whale fossil skeleton was discovered in California going straight up through tons of rock as well!

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OLAADEGBU:


You believe the universe exists, does your worldview explain the ultimate cause of the universe? How do you account for the existence and properties of logic. Do you believe that the laws of logic are universal, if not why not?

My worldview doesn't need to explain how the universe came about. It's not even an important question to my worldview since it affects nothing in my life.

The existence of logic and its properties are an offshoot of the existence of the universe. Its like asking me to account for the existence of a toenail on my feet, its a part of my human body, it comes with the territory.

As far as we know the laws of logic are universal. A contradiction will remain a contradiction even if you move to Jupiter.

Why do we all believe the laws of logic does not change even though they are not material?. When people use the laws of logic, they have confidence in something they cannot observe with their senses and this is a type of faith. If you atheists use the laws of logic you are borrowing from the Christian worldview which is based on faith and reason.

We don't need to believe it doesn't change because we can demonstrate that it doesn't change. Like I just said even on Jupiter a contradiction is still a contradiction.

The laws of logic were not formulated by Christians so I dunno where you get this idea that we borrow it from the Christian worldview. Nor does it require faith, it can be demonstrated reliably over and over again.

LordReed:


My worldview doesn't need to explain how the universe came about. It's not even an important question to my worldview since it affects nothing in my life.

If you are logical it will follow that you will have a foundation. Your worldview is a materialistic one and the laws of logic cannot be experienced with your senses. That is a contradiction of some sorts.

LordReed:


The existence of logic and its properties are an offshoot of the existence of the universe. Its like asking me to account for the existence of a toenail on my feet, its a part of my human body, it comes with the territory.

Your worldview cannot account for the ultimate cause of the universe neither can it explain the origin of life, just as it can't account for the laws of logic and yet you borrow from the Christian worldview that defines faith as having confidence in something that we have not perceived with our senses.

LordReed:


As far as we know the laws of logic are universal. A contradiction will remain a contradiction even if you move to Jupiter.

The evolutionary worldview is contradictory because you do not follow it in everyday living.

LordReed:


We don't need to believe it doesn't change because we can demonstrate that it doesn't change. Like I just said even on Jupiter a contradiction is still a contradiction.

Whenever we have confidence in things we cannot observe with our 5 senses we are acting on a type of faith. Saying that you do not need to believe that the laws of logic doesn't change is a contradiction to your ideology. You can demonstrate that it doesn't change because you believe so. What stops you from believing that the laws of logic will be the same tomorrow as they are today, have you experienced tomorrow?

LordReed:


The laws of logic were not formulated by Christians so I dunno where you get this idea that we borrow it from the Christian worldview. Nor does it require faith, it can be demonstrated reliably over and over again.

Like I said earlier, when you have confidence in things that you cannot see, smell, hear, touch or taste, is a type of faith even though you contradict yourself by demonstrating it.

When you have confidence that the universe will function in the future just as it has done in the past, you are exercising faith either you admit it or not.

Creationist creating a confused thread

Doll Like Figure Found Deep In The Earth

During the drilling of a well in Nampa Idaho in 1889 a tiny figurine made of baked-clay was brought up in amongst the debris churned out by the huge drill bit. The object is a one inch long figure of a man with one leg broken off at the knee, possibly from coming into contact with the drill bit. The possibility of the object being a hoax is extremely doubtful as it was extracted from a depth of about 300 feet making the possibility of someone planting it there highly unlikely.

The level of Earth the object was found in would suggest that the object existed "millions of years" ago before man was suggested to have evolved Earth (according to evolution). Just more proof that evolution is wrong, and the Earth's processes such as coal forming do not take millions of years.

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OLAADEGBU:


If you are logical it will follow that you will have a foundation. Your worldview is a materialistic one and the laws of logic cannot be experienced with your senses. That is a contradiction of some sorts.

This is funny. There is no other way to express the laws of logic but physically. The laws of logic are concepts that are not themselves physical but by necessity can only be expressed by physical means. Only brains can think of them, only eyes can read them written down, only hands can write them. There is no contradiction.

Your worldview cannot account for the ultimate cause of the universe neither can it explain the origin of life, just as it can't account for the laws of logic and yet you borrow from the Christian worldview that defines faith as having confidence in something that we have not perceived with out senses.

Please tell us the Christian that formulated the laws of logic or just retire this claim.

The evolutionary worldview is contradictory because you do not follow it in everyday living.

LoLz! Where does the theory propose any sort of life style?

Whenever we have confidence in things we cannot observe with our 5 senses we are acting on a type of faith. Saying that you do not need to believe that the laws of logic doesn't change is a contradiction to your ideology. You can demonstrate that it doesn't change because you believe so. What stops you from believing that the laws of logic will be the same tomorrow as they are today, have you experienced tomorrow?

In all the years we have been observing the world they have never deviated so there is every reason to believe it will be the same tomorrow. You on the other habd are the one who believes in a god that can do anything even turn the laws of logical on their head yet cannot produce such evidence of any of the fundamental laws of the universe been displaced by your god.

Like I said earlier, when you have confidence in things that you cannot see, smell, hear, touch or taste, is a type of faith even though you contradict yourself by demonstrating it.

LoLz! Please point to where I said the only things that exist are the things that I can see, smell, hear, touch or taste.

When you have confidence that the universe will function in the future just as it has done in the past, you are exercising faith either you admit it or not.

LoLz! Ok lets say it is faith, I have all the evidence for it while you have none.

OLAADEGBU:
Doll Like Figure Found Deep In The Earth

During the drilling of a well in Nampa Idaho in 1889 a tiny figurine made of baked-clay was brought up in amongst the debris churned out by the huge drill bit. The object is a one inch long figure of a man with one leg broken off at the knee, possibly from coming into contact with the drill bit. The possibility of the object being a hoax is extremely doubtful as it was extracted from a depth of about 300 feet making the possibility of someone planting it there highly unlikely.

The level of Earth the object was found in would suggest that the object existed "millions of years" ago before man was suggested to have evolved Earth (according to evolution). Just more proof that evolution is wrong, and the Earth's processes such as coal forming do not take millions of years.

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Facebook science. LoLz.

There Is Just 5000 Years Of History...

According to evolutionists, Stone Age Homo sapiens existed for 190,000 years before beginning to make written records about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago. Prehistoric man built megalithic monuments, made beautiful cave paintings, and kept records of lunar phases. Why would he wait two thousand centuries before using the same skills to record history? The Biblical time scale is much more likely.

It is also worth noting that at the same time writing appeared, there were 5 major groups that appeared almost out of nowhere with fully sophisticated architecture, writing, and intelligence, that even rivals our own today! Right within the Biblical timeframe, validating the flood event, and Babel thereafter.

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LordReed:


This is funny. There is no other way to express the laws of logic but physically. The laws of logic are concepts that are not themselves physical but by necessity can only be expressed by physical means. Only brains can think of them, only eyes can read them written down, only hands can write them. There is no contradiction.

It is impossible to have A and not A at the simultaneously and in a relationship otherwise, when you erase the sentence, the law of logic would cease to exist. The sentence is only a physical representation of the law of logic, not the law itself. That is why I said when we use the law of logic, we do have trust in something we cannot observe with our senses.

LordReed:


Please tell us the Christian that formulated the laws of logic or just retire this claim.

God who is timeless has promised us that He would uphold the universe in a consistent way (Genesis 8:22) and as a result of this in our Christian worldview, we have a good foundation for our belief in the uniformity of nature. This is not only logical, it is rational and reasonable.

LordReed:


LoLz! Where does the theory propose any sort of life style?

You need to be consistent with your worldview. Your worldview insists on only acting on what is materialistic and yet you go ahead to demonstrate what you have not observed with your senses. If this is not contradictory then tell me what it is.

LordReed:


In all the years we have been observing the world they have never deviated so there is every reason to believe it will be the same tomorrow. You on the other habd are the one who believes in a god that can do anything even turn the laws of logical on their head yet cannot produce such evidence of any of the fundamental laws of the universe been displaced by your god.

That's where your matra of seeing is believing goes out of the window. You now admit that you believe the world would be the same tomorrow because of what has happened today, that is the contradiction I am referring to. Why don't you wait to see the future before you believe it? The Christian faith is not a blind faith but a faith that is rationally and logically defensible. It is logical and self consistent unlike the evolutionary worldview. The Christian faith can make sense of what we experience in the world. Most importantly, the Christian has a moral obligation to think logically because we are to be imitators of God (Ephesians 5:1) patterning our thinking after His revelation (Isaiah 55:7-8; Psalm 36:9.

LordReed:

LoLz! Please point to where I said the only things that exist are the things that I can see, smell, hear, touch or taste.

That is what your worldview teaches unless you've not been paying attention.

LordReed:


LoLz! Ok lets say it is faith, I have all the evidence for it while you have none.

Rather, your faith is blind faith because you've got no foundation to work from unless you steal from the Christian worldview.

Common Structures Disprove Common Descent...

Why would there be common structures such as pyramids on every continent? Man had a common human lineage, starting from Noah's family.

It makes no sense to say primitive man migrated to each continent and evolved to build these without having some common knowledge.

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Dinosaurs Did Not Have Feathers!

Contrary to the belief that dinosaurs were feathered and turned into birds, this is just another evolutionist lie. There is NO evidence that dinosaurs had feathers. Rather, what they are looking at is collagen fibres. Not the same thing.

https://www.icr.org/article/did-dinosaurs-come-with-or-without-feathers

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OLAADEGBU:


It is impossible to have A and not A at the simultaneously and in a relationship otherwise, when you erase the sentence, the law of logic would cease to exist. The sentence is only a physical representation of the law of logic, not the law itself. That is why I said when we use the law of logic, we do have trust in something we cannot observe with our senses.

LoLz. The laws of logic are a description of the relationships we see in the universe, we observe them in action every second.

God who is timeless has promised us that He would uphold the universe in a consistent way (Genesis 8:22) and as a result of this in our Christian worldview, we have a good foundation for our belief in the uniformity of nature. This is not only logical, it is rational and reasonable.

Not really. You believe the god can do anything so the contradiction is yours since you cannot evidence your god going against any of the natural laws including logic. Your bible says a person commanded the sun to stand still and it purportedly did yet no believer has been able to recreate it or even do something similar like walk on water.

You need to be consistent with your worldview. Your worldview insists on only acting on what is materialistic and yet you go ahead to demonstrate what you have not observed with your senses. If this is not contradictory then tell me what it is.

You demonstrate that you don't know what my worldview is. Kindly quote anywhere that I said we only act on what is materialistic.

That's where your matra of seeing is believing goes out of the window. You now admit that you believe the world would be the same tomorrow because of what has happened today, that is the contradiction I am referring to. Why don't you wait to see the future before you believe it? The Christian faith is not a blind faith but a faith that is rationally and logically defensible. It is logical and self consistent unlike the evolutionary worldview. The Christian faith can make sense of what we experience in the world. Most importantly, the Christian has a moral obligation to think logically because we are to be imitators of God (Ephesians 5:1) patterning our thinking after His revelation (Isaiah 55:7-8; Psalm 36:9.

Again quote anywhere I used the mantra seeing is believing. On the other hand you are the one contradicting yourself. You insist that the god has ordered the universe according to laws but same you believes in miracles, same you cannot produce evidence of the said miracles.

That is what your worldview teaches unless you've not been paying attention.

You don't know what my worldview is, stop pretending you do.

Rather, your faith is blind faith because you've got no foundation to work from unless you steal from the Christian worldview.

LoLz! How can it be blind when the sun rose today just like it did yesterday? Please command the sun to stand still according to your bible.

OLAADEGBU:
Common Structures Disprove Common Descent...

Why would there be common structures such as pyramids on every continent? Man had a common human lineage, starting from Noah's family.

It makes no sense to say primitive man migrated to each continent and evolved to build these without having some common knowledge.

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LoLz! Because a pyramid is one of the most stable 3d shapes that can achieve high self supporting heights. There are no support columns inside the Egyptian pyramids for example yet they dwarf even some modern buildings like the Statue of Liberty.

It is not surprising that multiple civilizations would discover this simple fact. Are you not the one insisting that the world was made to follow order? How are you now against such a simple thing being discovered by multiple people?

Here is a 20,000 year old written document from Western Australia.
https://artark.com.au/pages/early-aboriginal-art

LordReed:


LoLz. The laws of logic are a description of the relationships we see in the universe, we observe them in action every second.

Your case is as a man who comes across a magnificent domicile in the middle of a desert and then thinks that since he met no one in and around the house, he must be the first person to discover the house and then argues that no one built the house that it got there by chance over millions of years.

You observe the laws of logic but you cannot account for it.

LordReed:


Not really. You believe the god can do anything so the contradiction is yours since you cannot evidence your god going against any of the natural laws including logic. Your bible says a person commanded the sun to stand still and it purportedly did yet no believer has been able to recreate it or even do something similar like walk on water.

Even though the example you gave above goes our everyday experiences, it does not in any way contradict the laws of logic and who says that natural laws are the limit of what is possible? Our God is not bound by natural laws and there is no problem in God reversing the direction of the planets. An infinitely powerful, all-knowing God can do all things that is logically possible.

LordReed:


You demonstrate that you don't know what my worldview is. Kindly quote anywhere that I said we only act on what is materialistic.

Your worldview is the atheistic evolutionary worldview. You can't think crooked and walk straight. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck.

LordReed:


Again quote anywhere I used the mantra seeing is believing. On the other hand you are the one contradicting yourself. You insist that the god has ordered the universe according to laws but same you believes in miracles, same you cannot produce evidence of the said miracles.

Do you believe before you see? You are being illogical when you dismiss the claims of the Bible as I elucidated above.

LordReed:


You don't know what my worldview is, stop pretending you do.

LoLz! How can it be blind when the sun rose today just like it did yesterday? Please command the sun to stand still according to your bible.

The Bible's claim may not appeal to your personal, subjective sense of what is possible which is illogical, irrational and unreasonable. You are committing the logical fallacy known as "begging the question."

OLAADEGBU:


Your case is as a man who comes across a magnificent domicile in the middle of a desert and then thinks that since he met no one in and around the house, he must be the first person to discover the house and then argues that no one built the house that it got there by chance over millions of years.

You observe the laws of logic but you cannot account for it.



Even though the example you gave above goes our everyday experiences, it does not in any way contradict the laws of logic and who says that natural laws are the limit of what is possible? Our God is not bound by natural laws and there is no problem in God reversing the direction of the planets. An infinitely powerful, all-knowing God can do all things that is logically possible.



Your worldview is the atheistic evolutionary worldview. You can't think crooked and walk straight. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck.



Do you believe before you see? You are being illogical when you dismiss the claims of the Bible as I elucidated above.



The Bible's claim may not appeal to your personal, subjective sense of what is possible which is illogical, irrational and unreasonable. You are committing the logical fallacy known as "begging the question."

LMFAO! Projection at its finest. You are the one begging the question since you can provide no support for anything you are saying here. You conclude that your god made the laws of logic where is the evidence? Where is the evidence your god made anything? None that you have presented and here you are accusing me of begging the question, projection buddy.

LordReed:


LMFAO! Projection at its finest. You are the one begging the question since you can provide no support for anything you are saying here. You conclude that your god made the laws of logic where is the evidence? Where is the evidence your god made anything? None that you have presented and here you are accusing me of begging the question, projection buddy.

You need the Optometrist.

Spiritual Blindness

Fossils Of Giant Oysters Discovered 2.5 Miles Above Sea Level...

High in the Andes mountains over 40 unopened giant oysters were found. This can't be explained logically by millions of years. The mountains rose QUICKLY during Noah's flood, which is also why we see fossils on top of them. They also open when they die, which means they died quickly!

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OLAADEGBU:


You need the Optometrist.

Spiritual Blindness

There we go, back to the memes. LMFAO!