TenQ:

Your prophet never said that the hadith takes precedence over the Qur'an. Mohammed only prayed to Allah to grant Ibn Abbas wisdom and knowledge of the Qur'an. And the sahabas attests to his deep knowledge of interpreting the Qur'an.




I use mostly the Hadiths and the Qur'an. My use of Tafsirs is not as much but I do use them though. In my last post I used 2 Quranic verses, 6 Hadiths and only 2 Tafsirs.



I'm sure there is no doubt that God is eternal: the question was, Are God's attributes also eternal or not!
Some of the attributes of Allah are found in the 99 names of Allah isn't it? If they are names of Allah, they must be eternal. As an example, The mightyness of Allah did not start later as Allah had ALWAYS been mighty . The knowledge of Allah did not start at a point as he has ALWAYS been perfect in knowledge.

Don't you Muslims say that the Qur'an is the eternal words of Allah kept in heaven!?

The Question is:
Can Allah remain remain Allah without his attributes?

You know the answer: it is impossible!

It is simple logic EXCEPT Allah is not eternal. If Allah has no beginning nor an end, then his attributes have no beginning nor end.
There is no need burying the head like an ostrich!

I don't know why you are so keen to know from me or what my views are about Allah's Attributes being Eternal. Really I don't get it.

If you say Allah is not Eternal, all well and good. That is your opinion. It doesn't make the stop the Sun from coming out and lighting up the Earth.

For those who believe to the contrary, no shaking. The Primary purpose of Creation, your creation, my creation is solely for the worship of God and be good to fellow Creatures. Once I can do that to the best of my ability, it is Allah's business if His Attributes are Eternal or not not mine and discussing such is an effort in futility.

Lukuluku69:


I don't know why you are so keen to know from me or what my views are about Allah's Attributes being Eternal. Really I don't get it.

If you say Allah is not Eternal, all well and good. That is your opinion. It doesn't make the stop the Sun from coming out and lighting up the Earth.

Since you don't know the answer, is it blasphemous to say that Allahs attributes are eternal?

Lukuluku69:

For those who believe to the contrary, no shaking. The Primary purpose of Creation, your creation, my creation is solely for the worship of God and be good to fellow Creatures. Once I can do that to the best of my ability, it is Allah's business if His Attributes are Eternal or not not mine and discussing such is an effort in futility.

This is where we differ again.

To us Christians, it is an insult to God for anyone to claim that the purpose for which God created us is to worship Him.

Since Islam forbid you from reasoning, let me spell it out for you.
1. God does not need us humans for ANYTHING, we are the ones who need things from Him!
2. God is sufficient by Himself not to need anyone for ANYTHING. Before God created ANYTHING, he had been God and after he created everything, He remains God.

Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

Why do you think a good independent parent have children? Is it so that the children every morning, afternoon and night GREET the parents with prostrations and kneeling down?

TenQ:

Since you don't know the answer, is it blasphemous to say that Allahs attributes are eternal?



This is where we differ again.

To us Christians, it is an insult to God for anyone to claim that the purpose for which God created us is to worship Him.

Since Islam forbid you from reasoning, let me spell it out for you.
1. God does not need us humans for ANYTHING, we are the ones who need things from Him!
2. God is sufficient by Himself not to need anyone for ANYTHING. Before God created ANYTHING, he had been God and after he created everything, He remains God.

Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

Why do you think a good independent parent have children? Is it so that the children every morning, afternoon and night GREET the parents with prostrations and kneeling down?

Whether Allah/God Attributes are Eternal really is not my business. I am not Him, He is not Me! I am just His Handiwork. It doesn't change anything if I know or if I don't.

The Purpose of Creation in Islam is to WORSHIP. We worship Him Alone with our Actions, words, Life etc.

"I have not created the jinns and men but to worship Me.” (51:56)

If in Christianity it is not so, no problem. Hold on to that view.

I quoted the Quran on the Purpose of Creation , can you reference the Bible too to support God purpose of beautifying ALL of His Creation?

Your analogy about a Child prostrating every morning, afternoon and Evening makes me laugh really. Worship doesn't stop in posturing alone, it includes obidience to His Laws and ordinances, His Dos and Donts.

And Greeting doesn't mean worship, I do greet Neighbors and my Grandparents with prostrations, does it mean I am worshipping my Grandma?

Lukuluku69:


Like I said, most of your posers/questions are offshoot of Grecian Philosophy. I hope you know that there are many Creation stories in other Scriptures of the world. They are not limited to the Bible and the Quran.

You hold true to what the abible says and others do same for their own Books. If I get you correctly, Be! was spoken and their qas Light and all other stuff but God made man from Dust of the ground and there was never any Be! for Adam to become what he became. That is your own point of view. You and I were never there, so whatever we discussed will just be an Academic excercise.

Of course you ask question/s bit once it is bothering on Nature of God, Islam says refrain (There is an Hadith on this).

God says belief in Me, He does that by appealing to our Intellect, our experiences, our Souls, the Nature around us, out community, our history but I have never seen nor read where it is said find out about my Nature, my Being. If you do the latter, you only open yourself to ridicule by those without Faith.

Jesus says ASK and you shall receive.
SEEK and you'll find
KNOCK and it would be opened unto you.

Only when you seek is WISDOM given unto you

Lukuluku69:

At the bolded, I accepted Prophet Muhammad to be a Prophet of God on so many score.

His Life, his works, his words and the outcome of his preachings. How it touched those who believed in him and how it transformed their Lives.

Not only that, many Scriptures written thousand and hundreds of years apart, from different Cultures and Civilizations affirmed and talked about the Last One. The Last One that will gathered Mankind under one Umbrella of Faith in the One True God The Creator of the Heavens and Earth and all that is in between.

How would a man who
1. His integrity was in question about a certain cloth that got missing after the battle of badr. I can't imagine Peter or John insinuating that Jesus stole a red cloth
2. His integrity is in question by marrying a six year old (something very uncommon even in his time), doing every form of sexual act with her without penetration and then penetrating her at the age of 9 years old.
3. Mohammed's integrity is at stake for recieving the satanic verses and mixed it up with the Qur'an until ridicule made him admit that Shaitan smuggled it into the Qur'an! I thought no one can make a Qur'an! Now we see that Satan made a perfect Qur'an that Mohammed couldn't detect.
4. Is it integrity to be caught sleeping with the slave girl of his wife on her matrimonial bed?
5. Is it integrity to sleep with a woman who you killed the husband less than 24 hours after the killing?
6. Is it integrity that your "son" cannot trust you with his wife except you use your office to take her away from him? (Zaid and Zainab comes to play)
7. Is it integrity of a prophet to be under the spell of black magic for several months of the year?
8. Is it integrity that a prophet says that "satan commands him only to do good!" Is that your prophet? How are you sure that the good in the Qur'an is not from Shaitan?
9. Is it integrity for a prophet to be saved by the Christians from his enemies while he was small and weak ONLY to wage war against these same Christians until they pay Jizya with humiliation?
10. Is it integrity when a prophet gives a law "supposedly from Allah" but he himself is above such laws? Why is Mohammad entitled to any believing woman who offer herself to him? Why is he not limited to four wives like every other good Muslims?
11. Till today, Muslims are confused about the Black stone only because Mohammad made the stone an INTERCESSOR for Muslims by Kissing it?
12. Mohammed is the only prophet I know who demands payment if a person want to enter into him (ask questions or make enquiries).

Why do you think God had to send the Messiah as
1. Holy even from the womb
2. The only partner with Allah in creation of living things
3. The word of Allah himself
4. The spirit of Allah himself
5. Who know what you have in your house
6. Who till today is still alive with Allah and would be coming back again to finish his work.
7. Why is the same person a Trinity of the Word, the Spirit and the Prophet
Of course, because Islam forbid Muslims to think, you'll have no answer.

TenQ:

Jesus says ASK and you shall receive.
SEEK and you'll find
KNOCK and it would be opened unto you.

Only when you seek is WISDOM given unto you






How would a man who
1. His integrity was in question about a certain cloth that got missing after the battle of badr. I can't imagine Peter or John insinuating that Jesus stole a red cloth
2. His integrity is in question by marrying a six year old (something very uncommon even in his time), doing every form of sexual act with her without penetration and then penetrating her at the age of 9 years old.
3. Mohammed's integrity is at stake for recieving the satanic verses and mixed it up with the Qur'an until ridicule made him admit that Shaitan smuggled it into the Qur'an! I thought no one can make a Qur'an! Now we see that Satan made a perfect Qur'an that Mohammed couldn't detect.
4. Is it integrity to be caught sleeping with the slave girl of his wife on her matrimonial bed?
5. Is it integrity to sleep with a woman who you killed the husband less than 24 hours after the killing?
6. Is it integrity that your "son" cannot trust you with his wife except you use your office to take her away from him? (Zaid and Zainab comes to play)
7. Is it integrity of a prophet to be under the spell of black magic for several months of the year?
8. Is it integrity that a prophet says that "satan commands him only to do good!" Is that your prophet? How are you sure that the good in the Qur'an is not from Shaitan?
9. Is it integrity for a prophet to be saved by the Christians from his enemies while he was small and weak ONLY to wage war against these same Christians until they pay Jizya with humiliation?
10. Is it integrity when a prophet gives a law "supposedly from Allah" but he himself is above such laws? Why is Mohammad entitled to any believing woman who offer herself to him? Why is he not limited to four wives like every other good Muslims?
11. Till today, Muslims are confused about the Black stone only because Mohammad made the stone an INTERCESSOR for Muslims by Kissing it?
12. Mohammed is the only prophet I know who demands payment if a person want to enter into him (ask questions or make enquiries).

Why do you think God had to send the Messiah as
1. Holy even from the womb
2. The only partner with Allah in creation of living things
3. The word of Allah himself
4. The spirit of Allah himself
5. Who know what you have in your house
6. Who till today is still alive with Allah and would be coming back again to finish his work.
7. Why is the same person a Trinity of the Word, the Spirit and the Prophet
Of course, because Islam forbid Muslims to think, you'll have no answer.

There is nothing you are saying here that wasn't said by people before. What you have up here is nothing but a rehash of the same old tripe of old.

To start with the Prophet integrity was never for once in doubt. His Arch enemies with worse vitrol than you collectively called him Al- Amin. Meaning the Truthful One. So, whatever you wish to say, no qualms. You own your words.

As for Lady Aisha, she was 9 when her Father gave her hand in marriage. According to the Semitic practice, the marriage is Legal and binding. Even in Europe till date, please find out the Marriageable age of the bride.

As for asking for Payment before seeing the Prophet ( though the verse was abrogated) Jesus too ask for Donation after preaching did he not? Why make fish of one and meqt of the other?

Your Jesus was a Jew, sent to Jews. We have said that many time here and I don't have to start all over again.

Why not let me ask you a question or two too?

Why did you believe in Jesus? What evidence do you have that he was a genuine Prophet of God?

Man was created in God's image (His representative in the physical world)
Gen 1:27:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

We are to be His children here on earth
2Cor 6:18:
"And will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty."
We are created to be LIGHTS in the world
Mat 5:15-16:
"Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Mat 5:16:
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Created to beautify the earth
Mat 5:45:
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

We are created to be perfect in Character and Love for God is Love?
Mat 5:48:
"Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

Lukuluku69:


Whether Allah/God Attributes are Eternal really is not my business. I am not Him, He is not Me! I am just His Handiwork. It doesn't change anything if I know or if I don't.

The Purpose of Creation in Islam is to WORSHIP. We worship Him Alone with our Actions, words, Life etc.

"I have not created the jinns and men but to worship Me.” (51:56)

If in Christianity it is not so, no problem. Hold on to that view.

I quoted the Quran on the Purpose of Creation , can you reference the Bible too to support God purpose of beautifying ALL of His Creation?

You didn't answer my major question.

I said:
For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

And I asked the Question:
Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

Lukuluku69:

Your analogy about a Child prostrating every morning, afternoon and Evening makes me laugh really. Worship doesn't stop in posturing alone, it includes obidience to His Laws and ordinances, His Dos and Donts.

And Greeting doesn't mean worship, I do greet Neighbors and my Grandparents with prostrations, does it mean I am worshipping my Grandma?

I didn't use the word worship. No man should be worshipped. The nearest similarity to worship is greeting and obeying our parents:
And I asked:
How many responsible parent give birth to their children so that they can be greeted every morning, afternoon and night?

TenQ:
Man was created in God's image (His representative in the physical world)
Gen 1:27:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

We are to be His children here on earth
2Cor 6:18:
"And will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty."
We are created to be LIGHTS in the world
Mat 5:15-16:
"Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Mat 5:16:
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

Created to beautify the earth
Mat 5:45:
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

We are created to be perfect in Character and Love for God is Love?
Mat 5:48:
"Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."


You didn't answer my major question.

I said:
For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

And I asked the Question:
Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!



I didn't use the word worship. No man should be worshipped. The nearest similarity to worship is greeting and obeying our parents:
And I asked:
How many responsible parent give birth to their children so that they can be greeted every morning, afternoon and night?

You would do well to not clog your posts will meaningless additions here and there.

Keep it concise and short, you will see me responding but when you keep typing and typing as if a Keyboard resides in you, you will lose my attention.

So, to your question " why does God need us to worship him"? That question is loaded and I am watching Japan Vs Croatia now. I will try and answer it later.

Your analogy is at best laughable. Faith all over the world worship but you said worship is not necessary then what are you guys been doing in your Churches since Christ left?

Lukuluku69:


There is nothing you are saying here that wasn't said by people before. What you have up here is nothing but a rehash of the same old tripe of old.

To start with the Prophet integrity was never for once in doubt. His Arch enemies with worse vitrol than you collectively called him Al- Amin. Meaning the Truthful One. So, whatever you wish to say, no qualms. You own your words.

As for Lady Aisha, she was 9 when her Father gave her hand in marriage. According to the Semitic practice, the marriage is Legal and binding. Even in Europe till date, please find out the Marriageable age of the bride.

Do you want me to start pulling out hadiths that showed that Aisha married Mohammed at the age of six and Muhammad consummated the marriage at 9 years!?

What is pleasant and praiseworthy with collecting the wife of one's son?

What is praiseworthy with sleeping with ones housegirl on our wives matrimonial bed?

No matter how you paint it, these characters are NOT worth EMULATING!

Lukuluku69:

As for asking for Payment before seeing the Prophet ( though the verse was abrogated) Jesus too ask for Donation after preaching did he not? Why make fish of one and meqt of the other?

Who abrogated the law?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?
Evidence please!

Lukuluku69:

Your Jesus was a Jew, sent to Jews. We have said that many time here and I don't have to start all over again.

Mohammed was an Arab and sent to the Arabs. That was why the Qur'an was revealed in 7 Arabic dialects so that every Arab would understand.
(Surat ash-Shura, ayah 7)
Have you read this ayah before
And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, that you may warn the mother city (Makkah) and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire."

You are in Nigeria and not an Arab and not even close to Mecca!

Lukuluku69:

Why not let me ask you a question or two too?

Why did you believe in Jesus? What evidence do you have that he was a genuine Prophet of God?

1. He was backed up with EVIDENCES that He is a Prophet by miracles of Raising the Dead, Healing the Sick and Casting out Demons from People.
2. His character was perfect sinlessness. No single prophet except Him fulfills this
3. He lived what He taught His disciples. Examples, blessing and praying for those who persecuted and hated Him. He washed his disciples feet and taught us to do same to others.
4. The old testament prophets prophesied about Jesus as the Messiah so that we can know Him when the Messiah comes.
5. He guaranteed us Paradise where we'll be like angels neither marrying nor giving in marriage unlike Mohammed who promised a paradise of brothels. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life!
6. He died and rose up from the dead as the old testament prophets wrote about the Messiah!
7. He gives us His children born even 2000 years with His Spirit that we might serve Him. I am a direct witness of this bro!

Lukuluku69:


You would do well to not clog your posts will meaningless additions here and there.

Keep it concise and short, you will see me responding but when you keep typing and typing as if a Keyboard resides in you, you will lose my attention.

So, to your question " why does God need us to worship him"? That question is loaded and I am watching Japan Vs Croatia now. I will try and answer it later.

Your analogy is at best laughable. Faith all over the world worship but you said worship is not necessary then what are you guys been doing in your Churches since Christ left?

I gave you a summary: you said you needed scriptures. I gave you more than enough scriptures you are now asking for a summary.

Okay!
Again I said:
For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

Sons and Daughters of God would inherently worship God but this isn't the reason WHY they were created. Just like, we must all of Necessity eat and breathe but this is NOT the purpose of our creation.


And I asked the Question:
Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

AntiChristian:
Many Christians elevated Jesus to a God-man i.e. 100% God and 100% man at the same time. Jesus, the son of man, never for once call himself "God the son". We read the Phrase "God the father" about 120 times in the New testament only! But never for once can you see "God the son".

So how can Jesus be God and yet Human? This Christians say Jesus had both a divine and human parts. Yet we read:

1. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

From the above we see that only the father is omniscient! Jesus (both his divine and human part) do not know all things! Even the Holy Spirit is not Omniscient!

2. Jesus said " the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
How can the father be greater than Jesus when they are supposed to be co-equal in Trinity? Jesus is 100% human and 100% God remember? How can the father who is 100% God be greater than Jesus?
Makes no sense!

3.For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

This was Timothy speaking calling Jesus a (100%) man not God!

4. In John 1:18, No one has ever seen God....!

What about Jesus? Is he not God anymore?

5. Jesus was protected by his human parents from birth! God had to send an Angel to warn them to flee!
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.”Matthew 2:13

Was God afraid he would be killed by the evil king that he had to warn his parent to protect him?

Jesus christ is not God
He was not a God man either
He was the Son of God
God's firstborn son

Aemmyjah:

Jesus christ is not God
He was not a God man either
He was the Son of God
God's firstborn son

Brother it's a case between two rival groups i'll implore you to let them be!

Aemmyjah:


Jesus christ is not God
He was not a God man either
He was the Son of God
God's firstborn son

Why would God need a son?
A. To Inherit him.
B. To help him when he's old.
C. To send on errands
D. Others....................................

SeraphEl:
Answers to your objections to deity of Yeshua.


Cults and false religions often raise objections against both the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity. In what follows, key objections will be briefly summarized and answered.

Jesus Is the Son of God
Some claim that because Jesus is the Son of God, He must be a lesser God than God the Father. Among the ancients, however, an important meaning of Son of is “one who has the same nature as.” Jesus, as the Son of God, has the very nature of God (John 5:18, 10:30, 19:7). He is thus not a lesser God.

Stop the lies! The definition of "Son" is always a lesser version of the father and not equal.

Son is a boy or man in relation to either or both of his parents.
Son is a male offspring of an animal.
Son is a male descendant.

The Father Is “Greater” Than Jesus
Some cults argue that because Jesus said the Father is “greater” than Him (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God. Biblically, however, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature (John 10:30). He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philippians 2:6–11). Positionally, then, the Father was “greater” than Jesus.

Abeg, bring another lie! The verse you quoted from Philippians was written long after Jesus by Paul who never met Jesus. And even the Christian scholars can even agree on the meaning of the Greek word "Morphe" in your Philippians verse!
As far as i Know, Jesus said his father is greater than him! And his father is greater than all!

That's why he bowed down in worship to him! Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed Matthew 26:39

Jesus Is the Firstborn
Some cults argue that because Jesus is the “firstborn of creation” (Colossians 1:15), He is a created being and hence cannot be truly God. Biblically, however, Christ was not created but is the Creator (Colossians 1:16; John 1:3). The term firstborn, defined biblically, means Christ is “first in rank” and “preeminent” over the creation He brought into being.

Why all these lies? Na only you understand all these terms o! A firstborn is the same as the creator and also the father, also the son! So who is the second born, third born and fourth?

Jesus Is Not All-Knowing
Some cults argue that because Jesus said no one knows the day or hour of His return except the Father (Mark 13:32), Jesus must not be all-knowing, and hence He must not be truly God. In response, Jesus in the Gospels sometimes spoke from the perspective of His divinity and at other times from the perspective of His humanity. In Mark 13:32, Jesus was speaking from the limited perspective of His humanity (see Philippians 2:5–11). Had he been speaking from His divinity, He would not have said He did not know the day or hour. Other verses show that Christ, as God, knows all things (Matthew 17:27; Luke 5:4–6; John 2:25, 16:30, 21:17).

Jesus is not a shape shifter! When he wanted to die i bet he didn't die as God? Trinitarians will always prove he died as a man! When he was waking the dead he prayed to God! Was he praying as God or human? When on the cross he shouted My God My God? God dey call God?
And the Gentile woman who came to meet Jesus! Jesus never saw her faith till she showed it!
Jesus knew nothing of the unseen except as shown him!

Jesus Prayed
Some cults argue that because Jesus prayed to the Father, He could not truly be God. Biblically, however, it was in His humanity that Christ prayed to the Father. Since Christ came as a man—and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore God—it was perfectly proper for Jesus to address the Father in prayer. Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew, and as our High Priest—“in all things He had to be made like His brethren” (Hebrews 2:17)—Jesus could pray to the Father. But this in no way detracts from His intrinsic deity.

1 Timothy 2:5: addressing his humanity as the mediator does NOT take away from HIS divinity.

John 1:18: read the whole chapter for context; it began "in the beginning was the word, the word was with GOD, and the word was God"... The WORD is CHRIST. And if you read further down, it explains HE is the light sent from Heaven, the one who sits beside the throne of GOD (Hebrews 1:3, 12:2, 1 Peter 3:22, Acts 7:55-56). So, cleary, CHRIST HAS SEEN GOD BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

In all these rantings you'll never find Jesus saying he was talking from a humanity part or a divine part of himself! Someone would have to decide that for him!

Mathew 2:13: You could also say if HE is GOD why did HE allow HIMSELF to be crucified? HE could have had angels come and destory all those seeking to kill him. But HE did not. Same reason HE did not do any miracles as a baby or even as a young adult up untill his 30s. It is the same reason HE instead informed HIS parents to flee Egypt rather than destroy Herod or cause him to go blind, or mute or lame. Because, it was meant to fulfil a divine objective. End of Story.
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No! Actually, the Bible was edited not to have the story of Jesus from about a few months to about 12 years missing! Then from then till 30years was missing! Only about five years of Jesus's life is in the New Testament!

They only kept whatever is useful for making Jesus Godlike even when Jesus never called himself one without any ambiguity!

God called himself God everywhere in the old testament without ambiguity! No where was trinity mentioned or three in one Gods mentioned without ambiguity!

God is not the author of confusion!

The Lord our God is one! Jesus didn't expatiate that he was part of the one God!

TenQ:


I gave you a summary: you said you needed scriptures. I gave you more than enough scriptures you are now asking for a summary.

Okay!
Again I said:
For us as Christian, God created us to beautify ALL His creation. In human terms God created us to be like beautiful flowers in His garden. Our duty is to blossom in PURITY, FAITH and LOVE: thus being like our Father in heaven!
This is why we are called "Sons and Daughters of God" and the peak of God's creations!

Sons and Daughters of God would inherently worship God but this isn't the reason WHY they were created. Just like, we must all of Necessity eat and breathe but this is NOT the purpose of our creation.


And I asked the Question:
Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

You will need to ask God why He want us to worship Him.

And I ask you too what have People who gathered in Churches all the World do in Churches when they Sing and chorus " We Worship you?

Even the Bible says when say people should worship God.

TenQ:

Do you want me to start pulling out hadiths that showed that Aisha married Mohammed at the age of six and Muhammad consummated the marriage at 9 years!?

What is pleasant and praiseworthy with collecting the wife of one's son?

What is praiseworthy with sleeping with ones housegirl on our wives matrimonial bed?

No matter how you paint it, these characters are NOT worth EMULATING!




Who abrogated the law?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?
Evidence please!




Mohammed was an Arab and sent to the Arabs. That was why the Qur'an was revealed in 7 Arabic dialects so that every Arab would understand.
(Surat ash-Shura, ayah 7)
Have you read this ayah before
And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, that you may warn the mother city (Makkah) and those around it, and that you may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire."

You are in Nigeria and not an Arab and not even close to Mecca!


1. He was backed up with EVIDENCES that He is a Prophet by miracles of Raising the Dead, Healing the Sick and Casting out Demons from People.
2. His character was perfect sinlessness. No single prophet except Him fulfills this
3. He lived what He taught His disciples. Examples, blessing and praying for those who persecuted and hated Him. He washed his disciples feet and taught us to do same to others.
4. The old testament prophets prophesied about Jesus as the Messiah so that we can know Him when the Messiah comes.
5. He guaranteed us Paradise where we'll be like angels neither marrying nor giving in marriage unlike Mohammed who promised a paradise of brothels. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life!
6. He died and rose up from the dead as the old testament prophets wrote about the Messiah!
7. He gives us His children born even 2000 years with His Spirit that we might serve Him. I am a direct witness of this bro!

Oga, I have an aversion for windy meaningless tirades. All that you have been posting are just concoctions in your head.

I prefer the hard solid facts not your conjectures.

That said, can you give me where in the Old Testament where it is said that Jesus is coming or where his coming was foretold.

Do that and leave all these copy and paste from the internet that you are doing.

Point me to a Chapter or Verses in the Old Testament that foretold the coming of Jesus.

Lukuluku69:


Oga, I have an aversion for windy meaningless tirades. All that you have been posting are just concoctions in your head.

I prefer the hard solid facts not your conjectures.

That said, can you give me where in the Old Testament where it is said that Jesus is coming or where his coming was foretold.

Do that and leave all these copy and paste from the internet that you are doing.

Point me to a Chapter or Verses in the Old Testament that foretold the coming of Jesus.

Among several prophecies about the Messiah
Read
Is 53:1-12
Ps 22:1-31
Is 9:1-7

Does it mean you accept the other points except the fact that Jesus was foretold in the old testament: cause you didn't answer any of my questions?

I answered yours didn't I?
Now , answer mine!

1. You said: the verse on Mohammed getting paid for consultation was abrogated and I asked:

Who abrogated the law?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?
Evidence please!


2. Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

TenQ:

Among several prophecies about the Messiah
Read
Is 53:1-12
Ps 22:1-31
Is 9:1-7

Does it mean you accept the other points except the fact that Jesus was foretold in the old testament: cause you didn't answer any of my questions?

I answered yours didn't I?
Now , answer mine!

1. You said: the verse on Mohammed getting paid for consultation was abrogated and I asked:

Who abrogated the law?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?
Evidence please!


2. Maybe you've not thought about it; Why does God need us to worship Him? (What does it add to God if we worship Him?)
Answering this question will do you good please!

I have read all the Chapter and verses you referenced up there but I didn't not see the name Jesus in any of them.

Also, the people who have been reading those Verses of the Old Testament are still waiting for "their" Messiah.

Who is in the wrong here? You or them considering the fact that you read the same Book but interpret it differently?

As your repeated question about if God want our worship or not, I think you should take your crusade to your fellow brethren "Worship" Centers and tell them that they have been wasting their time all these while. That Jehovah doesn't need their Worship but only need them to beautify creation only and he just want them to be pure, perfect as Him.

Also, make sure that all the references to "Worship" in your Bible are also edited to reflect what you have been telling me.

Lukuluku69:


I have read all the Chapter and verses you referenced up there but I didn't not see the name Jesus in any of them.

Also, the people who have been reading those Verses of the Old Testament are still waiting for "their" Messiah.

Who is in the wrong here? You or them considering the fact that you read the same Book but interpret it differently?

As your repeated question about if God want our worship or not, I think you should take your crusade to your fellow brethren "Worship" Centers and tell them that they have been wasting their time all these while. That Jehovah doesn't need their Worship but only need them to beautify creation only and he just want them to be pure, perfect as Him.

Also, make sure that all the references to "Worship" in your Bible are also edited to reflect what you have been telling me.

LOL!
Same reason why Mohammed's name is not found in the bible! LOL?!

Same reason YOU say Jesus is the Messiah and the Jews disagree! Are you saying that the Jews are correct?

I will agree with you Muslims that your Allah is so insecure to need RE-AFFIRMATION by you Muslims in your worship. Like you are to chant La illah ila lah everyday for Allah to feel secure. If you don't worship Allah five times a day, he would feel belittled and sad. He created you to worship him.


On this , till another time I drop my pen. But I must appreciate you for even the courage to respond partially to the questions! Till now, you haven't explained how
The Messiah is
1. A Human Prophet
2. The Word of Allah
3. The Spirit of Allah all at the same time.

TenQ:

LOL!
Same reason why Mohammed's name is not found in the bible! LOL?!

Same reason YOU say Jesus is the Messiah and the Jews disagree! Are you saying that the Jews are correct?

I will agree with you Muslims that your Allah is so insecure to need RE-AFFIRMATION by you Muslims in your worship. Like you are to chant La illah ila lah everyday for Allah to feel secure. If you don't worship Allah five times a day, he would feel belittled and sad. He created you to worship him.


On this , till another time I drop my pen. But I must appreciate you for even the courage to respond partially to the questions! Till now, you haven't explained how
The Messiah is
1. A Human Prophet
2. The Word of Allah
3. The Spirit of Allah all at the same time.

Lol

You talked about my "courage" in the responses you got from me, my response was never as a result of my "courage". Not at all.

Most of what you think are difficult posers are not, but because you have a preconceived and closed mind mentality, you see them as such. While some are just mere academic excercises that requires no reapenses at but sympathy for the one doing the questioning.

There is nothing you put up that I can't answer.

So, you know Jesus name was never on any of those prophecies yet you believed he was the one that portion of the Bible is talking about? That makes you smart and the Jews who have been reading the same portion but said your Jesus is a fake one Dullards in your own view? Right?

The same way your Jesus was not mentioned by name is the same my Muhammad was not mentioned by name. The same way you read Jesus to the verses you quoted earlier because of his Life is the same way I read Muhammad into some Chapters and verses in the Bible because of the Life he lived and what he achieved with his mission

If only you quit with the abuse and closed mind mentality and she'd some of the hatred you have been fed with at your Seminaries and your Bible studies, I will engage you.

But that is far fetched because doing away with an age long prejudices is really a hard one

The Quran talked about Y'isa ibn Maryam as the Jewish Messiah and not a messiah who will come and die for what he knew not for if he knew he was coming to die, it is unnecessary for him to pray against such death, still cry and wail when the time comes for him to fulfill what his primary mission was.

I will gladly lay down my Life to save the World a zillion times over when I know I have God's assurance that I will rise up three days later! Just THREE DAYS! And he was crying and wailing!

LOL! Future Thief

You never cease to amaze me! Again, I would have taken you to the cleaners on this score. But the problem is - you will lie. You will forge a statement, put it in inverted comma and attribute it to me. Your logic will be shallow without exhibiting rigor or any scintilla of intelligence. You would not stand by your words! Oh my goodness, I wish there can be a public forum where we both will speak - something like a court where I can put you, yhwh and the NT into the witness box. I would so much love this.

TenQ:

LOL!
Same reason why Mohammed's name is not found in the bible! LOL?!

Same reason YOU say Jesus is the Messiah and the Jews disagree! Are you saying that the Jews are correct?

I will agree with you Muslims that your Allah is so insecure to need RE-AFFIRMATION by you Muslims in your worship. Like you are to chant La illah ila lah everyday for Allah to feel secure. If you don't worship Allah five times a day, he would feel belittled and sad. He created you to worship him.


On this , till another time I drop my pen. But I must appreciate you for even the courage to respond partially to the questions! Till now, you haven't explained how
The Messiah is
1. A Human Prophet
2. The Word of Allah
3. The Spirit of Allah all at the same time.

But anyways, that is not the reason why I am here. When the fvckk are you going to forge a new thread for me?? I want you to fire your Russian 'ammunitions' against my Ukraine. You can't be lazy and yhwh will be lazy at the same time. It is grossly unacceptable!

You have 198 more to go, Fire this ammunition, please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lukuluku69:


Lol

You talked about my "courage" in the responses you got from me, my response was never as a result of my "courage". Not at all.

Most of what you think are difficult posers are not, but because you have a preconceived and closed mind mentality, you see them as such. While some are just mere academic excercises that requires no reapenses at but sympathy for the one doing the questioning.

There is nothing you put up that I can't answer.

So, you know Jesus name was never on any of those prophecies yet you believed he was the one that portion of the Bible is talking about? That makes you smart and the Jews who have been reading the same portion but said your Jesus is a fake one Dullards in your own view? Right?

The same way your Jesus was not mentioned by name is the same my Muhammad was not mentioned by name. The same way you read Jesus to the verses you quoted earlier because of his Life is the same way I read Muhammad into some Chapters and verses in the Bible because of the Life he lived and what he achieved with his mission

If only you quit with the abuse and closed mind mentality and she'd some of the hatred you have been fed with at your Seminaries and your Bible studies, I will engage you.

But that is far fetched because doing away with an age long prejudices is really a hard one

The Quran talked about Y'isa ibn Maryam as the Jewish Messiah and not a messiah who will come and die for what he knew not for if he knew he was coming to die, it is unnecessary for him to pray against such death, still cry and wail when the time comes for him to fulfill what his primary mission was.

I will gladly lay down my Life to save the World a zillion times over when I know I have God's assurance that I will rise up three days later! Just THREE DAYS! And he was crying and wailing!

LOL!
Have a nice day!

LegalWolf:
LOL! Future Thief

You never cease to amaze me! Again, I would have taken you to the cleaners on this score. But the problem is - you will lie. You will forge a statement, put it in inverted comma and attribute it to me. Your logic will be shallow without exhibiting rigor or any scintilla of intelligence. You would not stand by your words! Oh my goodness, I wish there can be a public forum where we both will speak - something like a court where I can put you, yhwh and the NT into the witness box. I would so much love this.



But anyways, that is not the reason why I am here. When the fvckk are you going to forge a new thread for me?? I want you to fire your Russian 'ammunitions' against my Ukraine. You can't be lazy and yhwh will be lazy at the same time. It is grossly unacceptable!

You have 198 more to go, Fire this ammunition, please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here above is the BARK of a TOOTHLESS Dog!
LOL!

TenQ:

Here above is the BARK of a TOOTHLESS Dog!
LOL!

Hehehehe future thief