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Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by LegalWolf: 1:54am On Dec 13, 2022 |
LOL! advocatejare:I asked three core questions with none answered! What I deemed irrelevant from the outset is what you decided to dwell on. Interesting. That shows how extremely smart and brilliant you are, doesn't it? advocatejare:(underlined mine) I said the oldest Manuscript of the Torah is in Israel. Logically speaking, how does that contradict what AC is saying? Is the oldest extant manuscript the 'original'? Like I asked again, where on earth am I to start from when discussing with people like you? You see why you are not credentialed to talk where we are talking? Thankfully, I made the right judgment call and it is just best to leave you where I took you from. Strikethrough and delete button all the way! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by haekymbahd(m): 6:16am On Dec 13, 2022 |
advocatejare:Who questioned? advocatejare:But do you will agree with me that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew God as Yahwe rather they knew him as EL Shaddai (God Almighty).. Exodus 6 3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but My name Lord I was not known to them. Question: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob never knew God as Yahwe hence Yahwe wasn't the God of Abraham. If we were to be in the era of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and we ask them who their God was they will never mention YHWH since it would be alien to them.. No where in the Quran did Allah made the claim that he is YHWH or not so this thread of yours is only based on assumptions.. If from your assumption you claim Almighty God is not YHWH. I will also make my own assumption that YHWH is not El Shaddai. Do you agree that El is a Canaanite God or not? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 6:42am On Dec 13, 2022 |
LegalWolf:Go back and read slowly. Your volumes of nonsense don't mean anything. I've ALREADY predicted how you will react. Please Watch how LegalWolf would respond with volumes of meaningless rants to hide his shallowness! When someone's ignorance is beyond measure he posts volumes in ignorance. El is a Semitic word which means DEITY! Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are all Semitic languages. Examples: El-Shaddai El-ohim El-Elyon Are all names of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Sometimes, the El (Hebrew) or Al (Arabic) is replaced with THE to emphasize the uniqueness of the Deity. In Arabic: Al replaces El Examples: The three Daughters of Allah Al-Manat = god Manat Al-Lat. = god Lat Al-Uzza. = god Uzza AND the Islamic God himself Al-Lah. = god Lah This is why you Muslims will say Alhamdudi-Lah INSTEAD of Alhamdudi-Allah AND Bismil-Lah INSTEAD of Bismil-Allah Even your prophet's father's name is Abdul-Lah= Servant of Lah INSTEAD of Abdul-Allah Please keep quiet when you are not learned about a FACT! 1 Like |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 6:54am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: We have tried our best to correct this your "LAH" lies but you won't hear! You can tell lies o! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 7:15am On Dec 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Correction with examples from your Qur'an! Your narratives are lame, very lame. DO YOU KNOW WHAT SEMITIC MEANS? El is a Semitic word which means DEITY! Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are all Semitic languages. Examples: El-Shaddai El-ohim El-Elyon Are all names of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Sometimes, the El (Hebrew) or Al (Arabic) is replaced with THE to emphasize the uniqueness of the Deity. In Arabic: Al replaces El Examples: The three Daughters of Allah Al-Manat = god Manat Al-Lat. = god Lat Al-Uzza. = god Uzza AND the Islamic God himself Al-Lah. = god Lah This is why you Muslims will say Alhamdudi-Lah INSTEAD of Alhamdudi-Allah AND Bismil-Lah INSTEAD of Bismil-Allah Even your prophet's father's name is Abdul-Lah= Servant of Lah INSTEAD of Abdul-Allah Tell me! Why is it in WRITING your Shahada the name ALLAH instead of LAH is mentioned and the pronunciation of the Allah is LAH? You write: I testify that there is no deity except ALLAH INSTEAD of I testify that there is no deity except LAH Don't you pronounce the Allah as Lah? Why is the writing different? Is it because there is difference between LAH and ALLAH? The Question still Remain: Who is LAH? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by haekymbahd(m): 7:44am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ:Tell us who do you think LAH is? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 8:01am On Dec 13, 2022 |
haekymbahd:I am sure you didn't read this TenQ:Unfortunately, it STILL doesn't solve your problem! Allah then means "THE LAH": still very consistent with SEMITIC use of language (even in Hebrew)! You say, who do I think LAH is? haekymbahd:-LAH is the deity of Abdullah -LAH is the father of his three daughters Al-Lat, Al-Manat, Al-Uzza -LAH is the deity of the Muslims. I have stated clearly who I think LAH is: Now to you: Who is LAH? Who is LAH? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 8:04am On Dec 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian:I am sure you didn't read this TenQ:Unfortunately, it STILL doesn't solve your problem! Allah then means "THE LAH": still very consistent with SEMITIC use of language (even in Hebrew)! You say, who do I think LAH is? haekymbahd:-LAH is the deity of Abdullah -LAH is the father of his three daughters Al-Lat, Al-Manat, Al-Uzza -LAH is the deity of the Muslims. I have stated clearly who I think LAH is: Now to you: Who is LAH? Who is LAH? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by haekymbahd(m): 8:18am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ:so what is God/Eloah in Arabic.. You once claim Allah is a proper name of the Muslim God. How did the Arab christians and Jews derive this name for God since they used it before Islam... |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 8:45am On Dec 13, 2022 |
haekymbahd:1. You Muslims use Allah both as a proper name and a generic name for your deity. 2. The Jews and Christians use Yahweh as the proper name of their Deity and El/Eloha/El-ohim as a generic name for their Deity. 3. El/Eloha/El-ohim is simply means DEITY: and the context determine which deity they refer to. Examples: -When Muslims say God, they mean Allah -When Christians say God, they mean Yahweh -When Jews say God, they mean Yahweh -When an Idol worshiper say God he means his main Deity Why: the Word God means DEITY! Is Allah NOT your ONLY Deity? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by haekymbahd(m): 8:50am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ:I repeat Arab christians and Jews refer to God as Allah before Islam how did they derive this name... To christians and Jews What does this generic name "ALLAH" mean? Allah of the Muslims and Jews has no son he is solely one, while the Allah of the christians has a son and the pagan Allah has daughters? YHWH himself claim he appeared to Abraham as God Almighty and wasn't know by YHWH. Why would he respond to such name if it isn't his name? Also Allah of Jews is YHWH while Allah of christians is JESUS + YHWH+ HOLYSPIRIT so even though Jews and Christians call upon Allah they still will not worship the same God b is YHWH of christians has a son. If that will be the case why do you claim Allah of the Muslims which has no son or daughters is the same as pagan Allah with daughters... |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 9:05am On Dec 13, 2022 |
haekymbahd:Allah mean DEITY! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by haekymbahd(m): 9:11am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ:if YHWH of Jews which have no son is not the same with YHWH of christians with a son. Why do you claim Allah of Muslims with no son/daughter is the same with pagan Allah with daughters? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 9:19am On Dec 13, 2022 |
haekymbahd:To Christians and Jews, Allah mean DEITY! Is Yahweh NOT the Deity of the Jews and Christians? If you concur that the Allah of pagan Arabs have pagan daughters: doesn't common sense tell you that Allah simply mean DEITY and even though the deities share a common title, they in fact are TOTALLY Different! Exo 6:3: "And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name YAHWEH was I not known to them." Check the attachment! Abraham, Isaac and Jacob called their Creator EL. Just like all children call their Father Daddy: but every child has his own daddy!
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Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 9:20am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: Let me try maybe you'll realise your error that you've been on falsehood for months on this "Lah" things! First and foremost, Arabic Alphabets are divided in to Sun and moon letters. This classification affects how a word is pronounced when it is followed by the definite article "Al". The Moon letters have no effect while the Sun letters affect the "L" by making it silent. Examples: Al-Qamar (The Moon) vs Ash-Shams (The Sun). The Sun may be written as Al-Shams but will be pronounced Ash-Shams! How is this related to your "Lah" error? 'Allah" as an Arabic word starts with Hamzah al wasl. This Hamzah is pronounced when it starts a sentence. Example is when Allah starts Ayat al Kurisiy in Qur'an 2:255. Here, the Hamzah is pronounced. But this is different when Allah appears after a vowelised letter! For example, Wa+ Allah = Wallah and not Waallah! Li+Allah= Lillah Abdul-Allah= Abdullah Al-Qamar - Walqamar Ash-Shams - Wash-shams (this makes the "Shin" letter have a Shaddah! Just like the name "Allah" the "lam" having a Shaddah. Thus dropping the "Hamzat al Wasl is established in Arabic grammar And it affects the Sun letters (Hurufush- Shamsiyyah). |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 9:22am On Dec 13, 2022 |
haekymbahd:Doesn't the Yahweh of the Jews ascribe several sons to himself of different categories? LOL! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 9:22am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: How do you write Servant of the Sun in Arabic? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 9:26am On Dec 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian:I don't know what you mean as "The Sun" in Arabic is الشمس And I don't know in the Qur'an where anyone is called servant of the sun. You could as well ask me to translate "Servant of the Chairman" into Arabic. It proves nothing! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by LegalWolf: 9:27am On Dec 13, 2022 |
The Wolf would always devour the lamb! LegalWolf 2022 TenQ: Lol! It’s your own mass of nonsense that makes sense, right? LW: Simple question: where is your source that Al ever meant god in Arabic? ? (Commentary: this question is apposite as you claimed “Al” replaces “El” in Hebrew!) TenQ: Bula Ba Baba Blue Shri ejxgej jrnksvxhe Chen In essence: just pure vibes and cruise without sense. LW: (Simple Question): Was El, who the Jews derived ELOAH or its plural variant Elohim, a Canaanite god I or not? TenQ: ……. LW: Do you know that quite a lot of biblical scholars (I’ll want to express the opinion that they are almost unanimous) are of the view that yhwh was originally a son of EL/ELYON/ELOAH ? TenQ: …….. LW: And if you do not know this, do you know that the original version of Deut 32: 8 - 9 originally read “ according to the number of the children of El” and not Israel? TenQ: ……. Lol! You “learned” about a fact? Contrary to the facade u put up, I have never seen you to be a smart person. Nah! Just pure vibes and nzogbu nzogbu Iberiberism styled intellectualism. When you are able to answer those four questions logically, come back to me. If not, I’ll return to the silence mode. In the meantime, ask yourself this soul searching questions: 1. Am I for the truth or here to win an argument? 2. Does my faith have to be blind? Cheers to a beautiful morning! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 9:27am On Dec 13, 2022 |
advocatejare: Alright! I will then start reporting you again! I know what to do! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 9:29am On Dec 13, 2022 |
advocatejare: As long as the report button is still available then i'll keep reporting you! Mod sef go find something do to your account! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 9:41am On Dec 13, 2022 |
oteneaaron: Did i mention him on the threads i created? Oh, you are interested in what exactly? There was nothing like "Yahweh" or Jehovah during the time of Our Prophet! It is a capitalized YHWH and this is not even a name! However some people decided to add vowels to make it pronounceable! They gave their God a name! That's why till today some Christians still used YHVH/YHWH as it is. And the supreme being is one! He never dies nor become human! So as usual, he is promoting falsehood! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 9:41am On Dec 13, 2022 |
Since you are slow in learning and you can understand my previous post, I will distil it as a single question for you. LegalWolf:I've been waiting for you as your ignorance reeks of foul odour! This is exactly why You are so dumb and ignorant. You insinuate that the God of the Christians and Jews is EL even when I established that EL is a semitic language where Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic stem from. Like a kindergarten student , I walked you though it. But like the Arabian Donkey that doesn't listen unless you flog it, you still insist that EL is the cananite god. Please answer these Questions Jubril and Ismail are meaningful Hebrew names in the Qur'an. What do they mean! I await your stupid EVASIVE answer as usual!? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by AntiChristian: 9:50am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: Translate it first! Just the way you did Allah! The Sun is Al-Shams pronounced Ash-Shams! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by LegalWolf: 9:51am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: Lol, since my answer is going to be evasive and stupid, why await it ehn Mr Prosecution TenQ? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 10:00am On Dec 13, 2022 |
LegalWolf:Please answer these Questions Jubril and Ismail are meaningful Hebrew names in the Qur'an. What do they mean!? I await your "smart" answer as usual!? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by TenQ: 10:02am On Dec 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Just tell me that you are comparing Allah with the sun and I will gladly translate it for you! |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by haekymbahd(m): 10:29am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ:exactly that is the point but christians claim Jesus is the only begotten son right a co equal to God. Whereas the God of the Jews had no co equal. Whereas the Jew call those sons servants of God even Jehovah witnesses sees Jesus as a high rank angel/servant of God which means y'all not worshipping the same God. Which leads me to ask you why did you say Allah of the Muslims with no daughters is the same being with pagan Allah with daughters? If I claim trinitarians and Unitarian christians are worshipping the same God you will reject it yet you are doing the same to Muslims. |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by LegalWolf: 10:34am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: I don’t and don’t claim to know. But what I do know is as follows: 1. Canaanite is a catch all phrase for people living in the land of Canaan. These includes Phoenicians, Moabites, philistines etc. 2. That El is the Supreme deity of the Canaanite pantheon. 3. That Hebrew language (just like Arabic) is relatively younger than Canaanite languages and is a probably derivative. 4. That El, understood as God in Hebrew, is traceable to the Canaanite El. For these propositions, I recommended a research article to you on the origin of Canaanite religion yesterday. Have you read it? |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by advocatejare(m): 10:38am On Dec 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian:No wahala, keep on with it. I will keep exposing you |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by advocatejare(m): 10:39am On Dec 13, 2022 |
AntiChristian:You think the Mods here are like the ones you control on the Islamic section? Keep reporting, you’ll tell me when mentioning someone is illegal on nairaland |
Re: Allah, A God That Named His Prophets After Another God by HisSplendor: 10:40am On Dec 13, 2022 |
TenQ: My beloved Muslim friends, especially, Legalwolf, Antichristian and Lukuluku69, I think these two names are eye opening names if we look at their meanings. Jubril means strength from Yahweh or Yahweh is my strength. That means Angel Jubril's God is not Allah but Yahweh. Ismael also means Yahweh will hear or Yahweh hears me. This means Abraham who gave Ismael his name was a worshiper of Yahweh and not Allah. How then can Abraham be a Muslim? Could someone who didn't name his son after Allah really build a mosque to him? I think it's getting clearer to you guys. You may have a different opinion actually. I'll be glad to hear it. Also, if all the prophets Islam venerates have Yahweh reverently attached to their names as evidently shown, it means Yahweh is the God of the prophets and not Allah. The name issue is the big Truth that the lies of the Arabs could not cover. Please note that the dearh and resurrection of Christ is what brought us victory over Satan. Satan created Islam to use it as a weapon for blocking people from having access to that victory which Christ purchased with His blood. You can't understand this just in few sentences. If you study the Bible well, all the questions arising in your heart about Christ's death and resurrection would be answered. Please ask yourself this? Of what use is it for anyone to peddle lies that his Saviour bled and died on a criminal cross? It's not logical at all. The earliest Christians know it looks foolish but there's nothing they could do about it because it is the truth, and it carries much power. That's why Paul said "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation..." This people all laid down their lives for this truth even though the truth looks foolish. They were all matyred. They died gladly because they knew they were dying for the truth. They rejected all inducements and gave up their lives for the truth. I tell you, even Mohammed couldn't die for Islam. He took up weapons to defend his life. They earliest Christians gave up their lives for the Christianity that we today enjoy. Please think about this. Please let's be loyal to our souls. Our individual souls and its eternal home is what matters. Loyalty to a religion or prophet does not make sense. My beloved brothers in Christ Jesus, Advocatejare, TenQ, Sixfiguresmart and Speaklove, this is the biggest truth of the century. This is the most potent weapon for opening the eyes of our beloved Muslim brothers and sisters. I plead with you in Christ's name to meditate on this and make a complete compilation of names and meanings which coupled with your deep knowledge of Islam, could be maximised to help Muslims see the truth. 2 Likes |
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