Steep:
What does it mean to say that Jehovah is the only true God?

According to colossians 2vv 9 new world translation
The fullness of the divine quality is in christ.

Colossians 2 vv 9
because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.

The qualities of God includes love, wisdom, faithfulness, Almightiness, righteousness, etc

According to col 2 :9 new world translation Jesus has all these qualities in full.

Meaning Jesus possesses the quality
of Almightiness just like Jehovah in the old testament.
So if Jesus possesses the full nature of Jehovah doesn't that make Jesus the truly God?

Barristter07:



You are correct, I don't think anyone dispute that Jesus is God. So far, even humans are God's.

The issue is in verse 10

" and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority"

We have been brought to fullness because we are God's too, but you would agree with me that we are not in the same category with Jesus ? He is the head of every power and authority we may possess.

In the same way , Jesus is lower in rank to his Father. His Father is his head hence the Bible said God is the head of Christ.

Jesus have a God, that's why His Father is called the only true God . the Father doesn't have a God

Steep:

Thanks for your time,

Vv4 said " you are full in him" which is different from having the fullness of God's divine quality .

Barristter07:


it only highlight that without Christ we won't have such fullness. Likewise without the Father Christ won't have that divine quality too

" For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him" Colosian 1:19

It's by the permission of the Father.

Yes, Christ is Lord, Yes Christ is powerful but it's disingenuous to not accept the Fact that everything he has was given to him by a Supreme being.

Steep:

You seems to be conflicting the fulness that Christian has in Christ with the fulness that Christ embodies which is that of divine essence.

The difference is col 2 vv 9 Cleary stated that Christ fullness is one of diety but th complete of that of Christians is not one of diety.

I don't see how col 1 vv 19 help your case because it says God is pleased with the fact that all fulness dwell in christ

colossians 1 vv 19 said the father is pleased to have all fulness dwells in christ, what fullness?

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The fullness is the fact that
Jesus is the creator of all things, he is the reason creation exist. He is the head/ ruler of all creation, and he is the saviour also.

Christ created, governs all things and the saviour of the church.
So the father is pleased all these fulness should be in Christ. [/s]
Colossians 2 vv 9 is very express that the fulness of the very quality of God is in Christ.

Aemmyjah:
Why did you say it is for Jehovah's Witnesses as if we establish our own teaching? What does the Bible say?

Let's read Jesus Christ words at John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

From that verse, Jesus says we must come to know two distinct persons. The only true God and the one whom he sent. The reward then is everlasting life

Jehovah is the only true God and Jesus Christ was the one that the true God sent into the world... Simple as ABC

Barristter07:

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Are you aware Christians also have that very same divine essence ? That proves verse 10 is saying the same divine quality fullness exist in Christians.

" By these He has given us very great and precious promises, so that through them you may share in the divine nature "
2Pet 1:4

The blue part of your post is a scam. since Someone with God's nature is a deity.

The big question remains : Does this mean Christians are equal to God the Father since they have his very nature ? Whatever your answer applies to Jesus

Steep:

Non of you has addressed question raised by op.
If Jesus embodies the full divine quality doesn't this make his truly God also?
And also what does " only true God" mean?

Steep:

And also what does " only true God" mean?

MaxInDHouse:


The only one deserving our worship!

From Abel down to Jesus and down to our day all of us are worshipers of the same God, that's why Jesus said to one of his fellow worshipers:

"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God". John 20:17

Steep:
The difference is that Christ has the fullness of the God nature while Christians just partake or share in it.

And the context

Aemmyjah:

Matthew 4:10
John 4:24

Steep:

Non of you has addressed question raised by op.
If Jesus embodies the full divine quality doesn't this make his truly God also?
And also what does " only true God" mean?

Barristter07:


Since Christians have full divine quality, do you accept they are truly God's too ?

Barristter07:




The Bible said humans are sharers of flesh and blood. It means you have full flesh and blood. ( heb 2:14) share in that context only means there are others with flesh and blood too, not just a person.

Christians becoming sharers of divine nature means they have that exact fullness , just as Col 2:10 said. Alongside Jesus.

The point you are not admitting is Jesus was given that nature , just as other Christians. Only the Father wasn't given what he has, that is why he alone is the only true God.

Steep:
@ bolded If Jesus possesses the fulness of the father's nature it means he has all that the father has otherwise it is no longer full.
Words are read in context
Peter said Christians share in the divine nature, the preceeding statement said that through his promises that is the key to what Peter met.

What divine nature was Peter talking about?
The divine nature is his life, virtue and glory.

That is the context of Peter was speaking.
Read from vv 3

Barristter07:

You are doing too much mental gymnastics to distance Christians from the divine nature.
" That you may be filled with all the fullness of God . " Ephesians 3:19
Anyone who partakes of the divine nature embodies the Fullness of God.
Verse 10 I repeat said Christians have the same Fullness as Christ.
I am glad you are learning some new things

Barristter07:


You are doing too much mental gymnastics to distance Christians from the divine nature.

" That you may be filled with all the fullness of God . " Ephesians 3:19

Anyone who partakes of the divine nature embodies the Fullness of God.

Verse 10 I repeat said Christians have the same Fullness as Christ.

I am glad you are learning some new things

Barristter07:


You are doing too much mental gymnastics to distance Christians from the divine nature.

" That you may be filled with all the fullness of God . " Ephesians 3:19

Anyone who partakes of the divine nature embodies the Fullness of God.

Verse 10 I repeat said Christians have the same Fullness as Christ.

I am glad you are learning some new things

Barristter07:




The Bible said humans are sharers of flesh and blood. It means you have full flesh and blood. ( heb 2:14) share in that context only means there are others with flesh and blood too, not just a person.

Christians becoming sharers of divine nature means they have that exact fullness , just as Col 2:10 said. Alongside Jesus.

The point you are not admitting is Jesus was given that nature , just as other Christians. Only the Father wasn't given what he has, that is why he alone is the only true God.

You strike the bull's eye, mehn!

Steep:
It is no metal gymnastics, it is simple read scriptures according to context. Peter was simply talking about life christians recieve, virtue and glory.

you are jumping up and down taking scriptures out of context.

Do you even know that the Greek word used for God in Ephsians is theou but the one used in
Colossians 2 vv 9 is theotetes, which describes the very essential nature of God.
These two Greek forms have different functions.

Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

The fulness of God here simply means the fulness that belongs to God he is not talking of theotetes

In fact the Greek word used in 2 Peter 1vv 4 is theias which means divinely but when the very essential nature of God is referred to it is theotetes.

Janosky:

John 17:7,24=2 Peter 1:4=Colossians 2:9-10.
Did Your Bible says God his Father given divine nature to Jesus and to the disciples?
John 17:7, ESV: "Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you."
Case closed!

Janosky:

John 17:7,24=2 Peter 1:4=Colossians 2:9-10.
Did Your Bible says God his Father given divine nature to Jesus and to the disciples?

John 17:7, ESV: "Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you."


Case closed!

Steep:

So where was it written that the father gave him divine nature?

MaxInDHouse:


"All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.” Luke 10:22

Everything he has was given to him by his father!