TheGoodJoe:


I have made my points. You have posted data. Make your point. Do not not tell me the data. Show how your data makes the point.

You are literally still hanging.

What are you trying to say?

Are you saying the data supports that the MRI helps prevent overage players from making the cut or it does not.

I need to know your stance.

benji93:
Do you see why I say you are not serious? All you do is deflect. I ask you one question, you answer a different question, and you ask a question quite distant from my question. I suspect this is intentional. What is this? Again, what did I say that you believe is far from accurate? Or you did not mean to say that? Take your time, It's not that hard to copy and paste.

benji93:
1st point: Skeletal maturity differs from one race to another. The article in question, which apparently FIFA based their decision to adopt the MRI on suggested this in the first picture, in which case they were referring to a study in Malawi. They didn ot ocnduct studies of their own in the Sub-Sahara. They only sampled Algeria in North Africa. Scientific American suggested FIFA based their decision on this study, and they are very likely correct, because at least the first author on that paper Jiri Dvorak was on Fifa's medical team.

In one of your later posts you suggested that FIFA considered every race, but how do you know this? The most important study that informed their decision didn't sample and Sub Saharan country. For a decision as important as this by a governing body such as FIFA, you better be sure you have colelcted data across board. Besides the sample size although reasonable, is quite small, reasonable becos the correlations are not that different from those published by the studies they referenced.

The only way to account for the delay in maturity observed in a sample of Sub-Saharan African countres is to use different standards for Europeans and Subsaharan Africans. Nothing shows that this is the case. FIFA is clearly applying the European standard to Sub-saharan Africans.

Figure 2 shows the average age for each grade, Grade VI being complete fusion. Even for their small sample size they recorded a mean of 18.3 for complete fusion. This is based on their study on 4 countries, none of which is in Sub-sahara African. If complete Fusion is over 18(Standard deviaiton of approximately 1) for these countries, anyone who can do some statistical analysis and knows that skeletal development is delayed in Sub-saharan would guess that the mean for Sub-saharan Africans would be around 20. It's not so hard.

So it's quite easy to conclude that Sub-saharan players around 20/21 would most probably pass the test. The study across Algeria, Malaysia, Algeria, Switzerland is not accurate, not to talk of Sub-saharan Africans with delayed skeletal maturity.

A further study published in the South African Journal of Sports Medicine concluded that there's no correlation between chronological age and grade of fusion for a sample of Ghanaian players(3rd Figure), meanwhile the study FIFA depended on reported correlation for the countries they sampled. Very interesting. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dear-fifa-there-is-no-scientific-test-to-prevent-age-fraud/

Meanwhile the sample size across board although reasonable is quite small honestly.

Is the method reasonable, yes. Is it able to identify players who are about 20 and above? most probably yes. You are overestimating the accuracy of the MRI test. Before you conclude that FIFA considered everything, ask for the bases of their decision to use. You don't seem to have any idea.

So even though i hate that Scientific American used a picture of one of our youth teams as cover, i don't disagree with them, as in the third picture. it's not foolproof.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dear-fifa-there-is-no-scientific-test-to-prevent-age-fraud/

benji93:
Do you see why I say you are not serious? All you do is deflect. I ask you one question, you answer a different question, and you ask a question quite distant from my question. I suspect this is intentional. What is this? Again, what did I say that you believe is far from accurate? Or you did not mean to say that? Take your time, It's not that hard to copy and paste.

komekn:


One bottle of rare and very expensive Dom Pérignon : Rosé Vintage Coffret Gold 2000 champagne to for you.

You have presented a well thought out referenced paper that's clearly substantive and objective . You articulated my view that I have expressed for several years .

You have had one like , quite often many hear will prefer sentiment based unsubstantiated outright disinformation over OBJECTIVE FACTS.

You have taken time out to research and present peer reviewed facts and you get one like so far from me. That tells you the pervading mentality here.

Nonetheless, I commend you , let's see what TheGoodJoe and others with a preference for sentiment over facts will say.

Samueltemi337:
Iheanacho scores


The FA cup king

komekn:


One bottle of rare and very expensive Dom Pérignon : Rosé Vintage Coffret Gold 2000 champagne to for you.

You have presented a well thought out referenced paper that's clearly substantive and objective . You articulated my view that I have expressed for several years .

You have had one like , quite often many hear will prefer sentiment based unsubstantiated outright disinformation over OBJECTIVE FACTS.

You have taken time out to research and present peer reviewed facts and you get one like so far from me. That tells you the pervading mentality here.

Nonetheless, I commend you , let's see what TheGoodJoe and others with a preference for sentiment over facts will say.

komekn:


Do you know why football analyst tend to not take note of goals scored in the FA Cup, particularly against low level competition because it gives a false impression.

Gillingham play in league two and Liecester are struggling to beat them 1-0. And KC the outstanding excellent clinical finisher scored only one goal. It's not Commendation but Condemnation

In my opinion nothing to celebrate its shameful, if KC got a hat trick there would still be nothing of substance to celebrate. And you say the FA Cup King now some of you will say HATE. I simply don't celebrate MEDIOCRITY.

It's league two opposition , Gillingham as they stand will be beaten by Non league clubs they are on the bottom of the league two table , they have won two games all season. They are already relegated effectively.

TheGoodJoe:


Not so fast. Actually, the article he posted, clearly contradicts the assumptions he is making. They are pure assumptions. Not facts.

The article he is referencing is about 14 and 15 years old failing the test, which is complete fusion. Not the opposite and clearly contradicts your claim.

komekn:


Do you know why football analyst tend to not take note of goals scored in the FA Cup, particularly against low level competition because it gives a false impression.

Gillingham play in league two and Liecester are struggling to beat them 1-0. And KC the outstanding excellent clinical finisher scored only one goal. It's not Commendation but Condemnation

In my opinion nothing to celebrate its shameful, if KC got a hat trick there would still be nothing of substance to celebrate. And you say the FA Cup King now some of you will say HATE. I simply don't celebrate MEDIOCRITY.

It's league two opposition , Gillingham as they stand will be beaten by Non league clubs they are on the bottom of the league two table , they have won two games all season. They are already relegated effectively.

komekn:


You are beyond redemption go and read it properly and it's not one article but a peer reviewed extracts.

komekn:


You are beyond redemption go and read it properly and it's not one article but a peer reviewed extracts.

Samueltemi337:
Emmanuel Dennis starts

TheGoodJoe:


Coming from the same person that tried to sell to us how competitive the teams from English lower leagues are. Chai, there is God O!!!

oloriooko:
Most useless player i know, dude seems to have lost will to push up the ladder, looks unserious to me

oloriooko:
Most useless player i know, dude seems to have lost will to push up the ladder, looks unserious to me

TheGoodJoe:


Sorry. Do not vex.

Let us start again.

What is your stance?

benji93:
Ok. I will start again. And pls pay attention.
This is my submission.

Many 20/21-year-old Sub-saharan African players will pass the MRI test.

Is this far from accurate?

komekn:


Can you say the context in which I said that .

Recently and continuously the Championship remain the most competitive, most expensive and high valued second tier league in Europe.

Recently I substantiated my claim that no EPL 21academy team will beat a Championship team indeed no EPL U21 team can even beat a League one team.

So be specific not assumptive from your self birthed notion and perceptions, when did I specifically talk about English league two. I have said that Midfield maestro Nwakali would struggle in league two and that the middle to lower percentile Segunda division is on par or lower than English league two.

So back to you tell me what context I spoke about English league two please specifically without EVASION.

TheGoodJoe:


I disagree. So what is the specific article you referenced this idea from?

BascoVanVeli:



The coach is set on Gibbs-White and Johnson, that is no fault of Dennis.

benji93:
Great. Now let's get into it. This article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465138/ entails a study(examination protocol) of a number of players between 14 and 19 in 4 countries Switzerland, Malaysia, Algeria, and Argentina as shown in the figure.

Is that correct?