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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 10:33am On Jan 26, 2023 |
emerged01:It's okay then. The JW organisation is prone to misrepresenting the scriptures to suit their doctrines. Their doctrines break down when you slow them down to look into the scripture rather than what they have memorised. Thanks for bringing this subject up 3 Likes |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by emerged01(m): 10:38am On Jan 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:That was the sole reason I raised the thread. I said " according to JW.... it was a quote from JW Journal. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Kobojunkie: 10:42am On Jan 26, 2023 |
emerged01:What does your own Churchian group -- your pastors and mogs -- tell you about the same subject? I notice one thing with you folks is you pretend your denomination of choice is better than the others when in fact the one thing Jesus Christ said you all trade in is lies which are all against Him. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by emerged01(m): 11:07am On Jan 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Lol! I no dey go church. That's a silly thing to do. I didnt raised the thread to mock any denomination but to see Christians view on the topic. Not even recent,it was 2017. I'm not a religious person. One of the threads I raised you answered my question which I appreciate and you even encouraged me. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Kobojunkie: 11:10am On Jan 26, 2023 |
emerged01:Ok. Just that we get a lot of Churchians come through here attacking the doctrines and traditions of other denominations as a way to score some point for their implementation of the Religion of Churchianism, a religion with a foundation steeped in lies. 1 Like |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:08pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Why is it that you don't want to talk about the account of the original twelve tribes of Israel as found at Exodus 1:1-5? TenQ:The throne of God means God's presence. Revelations 22:1-2 So if God is with them {Revelations 21:3 compare to Ezekiel 37:27} then anywhere they're standing whether in heaven or on earth is God's presence! Exodus 3:5 |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 12:35pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God. Here again are the 144,000 before the THRONE Rev 14:1-3: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." Here is the Multitudes ALSO before the THRONE. Rev 7:9-11: "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God," Are these TWO different THRONEs? 2 Likes |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 12:35pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God. Here again are the 144,000 before the THRONE Rev 14:1-3: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." Here is the Multitudes ALSO before the THRONE. Rev 7:9-11: "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God," Are these TWO different THRONEs? 2 Likes |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:22pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
TenQ:Well the 144,000 aren't literal Israelites but faithful people who has never been strongly attached to politics (virgins) they are decisive always (males) The throne here signifies God's presence but the 144,000 will be in the same place with the four living creatures (heaven) If you feel like having another meaning it's OK that's just the understanding of the entire JW worldwide. Thanks! |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 2:48pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Deliberately I am not focusing on the 144,000, my focus is on the Multitudes. Are they before the THRONE of God or not the same with the 144,000? Where is this THRONE, on the earth? Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God. The scripture is too clear on this sir. More than 144,000 will be in heaven contrary to your doctrine 1 Like |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:07pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
TenQ: Unlike the great crowd who practiced what he (Jesus) taught the 144,000 were bought from the earth {Revelations 14:3} that's why it's clear that they are not on earth but as for the rest they are on planet earth worshiping God with the little flock {Luke 12:32} the rest are the other sheep belonging to the same Master! John 10:16 It's OK if you're not convinced you can find another interpretation and apply it with your fellow worshipers, that's the understanding of God's organization! |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by oteneaaron(m): 4:26pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Hahahahaha See him beating around the bush ๐๐ He cannot answer TenQ. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:47pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Mr Courz (Oteneaaron) you don't have to start following from thread to thread if you feel TenQ is correct go and worship with him! oteneaaron: |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by oteneaaron(m): 5:10pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Hahahahaha Such a shame. 2 Likes
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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:13pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. You go and worship with your kind! oteneaaron:
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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 6:27pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:My thesis is NOT about the 144,000, it is about the Multitude. Why are you dodging the dilemma it has put your doctrine. Are the Multitude before the THRONE of God or NOT? 1 Like |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 6:36pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Why are you mute with respect to the multitude? You didn't memorise anything about them? Is the Multitude also before the THRONE of God with the 144,000? It is a simple question sir! 2 Likes |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:54pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
I've told you that the multitude are on planet earth! I gave you several verses showing that the throne of God simply means God's presence but you said it's not so that's why i said you can find any other meaning to it because only 144,000 are going to rule with Christ while the rest will live forever on planet earth. So if you have another meaning take that with you and your fellow worshipers we have our own interpretation and it's God's presence not a literal throne! TenQ: TenQ: |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 8:16pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Did I not show you that the THRONE is the same for both the 144,000 and the Multitudes? TenQ: Of course you don't read! Your memory verse has blocked your comprehension: why didn't you answer the preceding questions? Can you show that the TWO THRONES quoted here (Rev 14:1-3: and Rev 7:9-11) are different? |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:24pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
TenQ:You don't have to like JWs or what JWs believe. But,desist from making FALSE claims , like you just did without proof. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:29pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Matthew 24:37-39, is Noah a servant of Jehovah God with his family? Acts 3:13, whose servant is Jesus Christ, Isaac, Abraham and Jacob? 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, will Jesus Christ save those who rejected his Father's worship? Sifia pained WAILERS |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:32pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
oteneaaron: 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, will Jesus Christ save Oteneaaron? Deluded Trinitarians and atheists WAILING in sifia pains. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:36pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkiee: Mount Zion is the place where Jehovah (the God of His servants) dwells,Isaiah 8:18; Psalm 74:2. The 144,000 are in heaven to rule with Christ. Deluded WAILER |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:38pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
oteneaaron: Revelation 14:1-4 is in the Bible inspired of God. Atheist, continue WAILING. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:41pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
emerged01: Revelation 14:1-3 &. Revelation 21:1-5 are biblical truth. That's your sifia pains, continue WAILING |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:47pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
tctrills:Revelation 14:1-4, Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6, sifia pains to WAILERS. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by tctrills: 8:48pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Janosky:What do the verses say oga. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 8:50pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Techobeys: Revelation 14:1-4, Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6, sifia pains to WAILERS. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 9:15pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Janosky:Is it a false claim by me that JW believe that ONLY 144,000 people will go to heaven? |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 9:16pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
tctrills:Oga,consult your Bible, open to Revelation 14:1-4, Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6, to find out. |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 9:19pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
TenQ:Was this question in your post I responded to @8:24pm? |
Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by tctrills: 9:26pm On Jan 26, 2023 |
Janosky:Well if you are ready copy and paste. I always copy and paste in my conversation with you. It's not bad if you return the courtesy or what do you say? |
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