Kobojunkie:
Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and Matthew 19 vs 28 - 30 & Matthew 24 vs 36 - 46 tell you exactly that. Not all those who receive salvation --- are saved from God's Old Covenant- from Jesus Christ according to John 3 vs 16 - 21 - will end up in Heaven as some will end up in Hellfire. .

■ Well, the redeemed referenced in Revelation 7 of which the discussion you came in on was about, are those who are saved from God's Old Covenant Law of Moses , those who were bought by the blood of Jesus. They are those saved from God's Old Law, but they are not saved in the Kingdom of God since saving comes only after judgment day --- that is when you know those who are saved in the Kingdom of God from those who are not.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, God dwelled in the temple here on earth before He destroyed the temple. And God will restore His dwelling place when He makes His Jerusalem a holy city. This is written right there in scripture for those who have eyes to see and understand.

EMILO2STAY:
stop making unecessary arguemunt. the scriptures you put up did not say some will go to heaven and some earth. you are wrong mr

Janosky:


1 Chronicles 29:23, King Solomon sits on God's throne.
Oga,Where is the location of this throne ?

You are desperate to cleave to your TWISTING of holy scriptures.

EMILO2STAY:
the truth of the matter here is that all who are saved will inherit the renewed earth not heaven. so leave all this throne this throne that

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the throne is not literal so it means God's presence just as an angel told Moses that he is standing on holy ground, when Jesus was referred to as LAMB in the same book why not conclude that Jesus was a domestic pet?

TenQ:


1. If the THRONE according to Rev7:9-11 is NOT literal according to Maximus and JW organisation, is the throne in Rev 14:1-3 also not literal?
2. If your claim is that the THRONE is not literal, can you confirm that the THRONE doesn't exist (either on earth and in heaven)?
3. How can we trust that heaven is a literal place (since the THRONE and the 4 beasts and the 24 Elders and the Lamb are fictitious)?

MaxInDHouse:
No they're not fictitious unless you just want to create a kind of confusion because you don't know where else to go and find your answers.

In the spirit realms things there aren't like what we have here so for us to know how the spirit world operates Jesus use what we know to explain but it's not as we have here!

TenQ:

No sir.
When the scripture is twisted by a group of people, those who know should correct them.

Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven.

My claim is that in addition to the 144,000 a multitude of people from every tribe and tongue saved during the tribulation are also with the 144,000.

The issue is NOT about who inherits the new earth. The issue is the ERROR that ONLY 144,000 will be in heaven.

Now,

Can you confirm that according to Rev7:9-11 that the THRONE here is on EARTH?

And therefore,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH



Where is the LOCATION of this THRONE according to Rev7:9-11

Why is this question difficult for you to answer? Isn't it obvious that your organisation is WRONG on this?

TenQ:

You were the one who said that "the throne is not literal", therefore

1. If the THRONE according to Rev7:9-11 is NOT literal according to Maximus and JW organisation, is the throne in Rev 14:1-3 also not literal?
2. If your claim is that the THRONE is not literal, can you confirm that the THRONE doesn't exist (either on earth and in heaven)?
3. How can we trust that heaven is a literal place?
Note: I have removed the offending word

Janosky:


Matthew 5:3,5 Jesus Christ teaching

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means God's Presence!

EMILO2STAY:
check very well ,I never claimed that 144,000 will go to heaven. my stance on this is that the saved will inherit the new earth

TenQ:

Everyone knows that.

People will live on the NEW earth.
Rev 21:23-24:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it."

However, a false organisation also teach that only 144,000 of humans will be in heaven. My job is to expose such deceit.

The Multitudes saved during the period of Tribulation will ALSO be present before the THRONE of God in heaven.

EMILO2STAY:
wrong mr, not every one knows that. check the arguemnts on the thread and see that my reason for commenting in the first place was because someone said that some will go to heaven and some will inherit the earth

TenQ:

Let me ask you a direct question and I hope you will speak the Truth about your own true Belief.

Is it TRUE that according to the book of Revelation only the 144,000 humans will be in heaven?


It is a simple question sir

EMILO2STAY:
THE ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION IS AN EMPHATIC NO!!!.

EMILO2STAY:
stop making unecessary arguemunt. the scriptures you put up did not say some will go to heaven and some earth. you are wrong mr

EMILO2STAY:
check very well ,I never claimed that 144,000 will go to heaven. my stance on this is that the saved will inherit the new earth

Kobojunkie:
Is it that you need glasses or something?
I mean Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear in His Gospel that some of those in the Kingdom of God -the goats - will end up in Hellfire whereas others - the sheep - will inherit Heaven - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Or do you not believe Jesus Christ at all.

EMILO2STAY:
abeg I am not here for jokes

Kobojunkie:
So, the Words of Jesus Christ are a joke to you?

EMILO2STAY:
oga don't mention me again pls

ictplotter:

Stop misleading yourself and people, it was clearly stated in the book of Revelation chapter 14, that it's only 144,000 that will make heaven.
This present colonial Masters imposed Bible on us is a trash n fallacy.

TenQ:

You decided not to answer the questions as usual; very typical of Muslims. Perhaps you are from the same exact stock! Okay, it is now Gods presence and His throne doesn't exist.
Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is
Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."
Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

EMILO2STAY:

you don't understand the bible. the phrase kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God sometimes called the kingdom of light mentioned over 80 times in the bible is talking of the same thing( Mathew 19:23, Mathew 19:24) and that is the renewed earth where God rules sovereign and Christ is king.

The Kingdom of God can be summarized as the
everlasting realm where God is sovereign and Jesus
Christ rules forever. not only or necessarily heaven the throne of God

The concept of a Kingdom of God is not primarily one of space, territory,. or politics, as in a national kingdom,
but rather one of kingly rule, reign, and sovereign control.

John the Baptist began his ministry announcing that the kingdom of
heaven was at hand (Mathew 3:2 ). Then Jesus took over: “From that
time Jesus began to preach, saying, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of is at hand. Mathew 4:17

this indicates that there is a coming system of rule to the earth where Christ will be king and God will reign everlasting.

Jesus urged his followers to pray for the coming of theKingdom: “Pray then like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your
name. YOUR KINGDOM COME, YOUR WILL BE DONE, ON EARTH AS IT IS INHEAVEN.’ ” (Matthew 6:-10,)

lastly every saved soul will gain entrance throw the gates of the new Jerusalem which came down from heaven to the EARTH. (revelation 21.)

EMILO2STAY:
stop making unecessary arguemunt. the scriptures you put up did not say some will go to heaven and some earth. you are wrong mr

FxMasterz:


Verse 4 of the scripture you screenshot says the 144,000 are the firstfruits to God, not the only fruits. In verse 6, the same scripture says an angel was seen proclaiming the everlasting gospel to men. The everlasting gospel was meant to receive more people into heaven. If you don't seek knowledge, you'll be responsible for wherever your ignorance leads you in the hereafter.

Janosky:


Oga, you don't want to agree with Jesus Christ teaching on Matthew 5:5, "the meek shall inherit the earth" whereas you are quoted Matthew 6:9 buttressing Jesus teaching of Matthew 5:5.

You claimed that everyone good goes to heaven.
My question to you is::
According to Matthew 6:9-10 you quoted,Who will do God's will on earth ?

Janosky:

Oga, you don't want to agree with Jesus Christ teaching on Matthew 5:5, "the meek shall inherit the earth" whereas you are quoted Matthew 6:9 buttressing Jesus teaching of Matthew 5:5.
You claimed that everyone good goes to heaven.
My question to you is::
According to Matthew 6:9-10 you quoted,Who will do God's will on earth ?

TenQ:

Why are you tongue tied and evasive. We are looking SPECIFICALLY at Rev 7:9-11


Can you confirm that according to Rev7:9-11 that the THRONE here is on EARTH?

And therefore,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH


Where is the LOCATION of this THRONE according to Rev7:9-11

EMILO2STAY:
seems like you lack comprehensive ability. read what I wrote again and you will realize that my point is that the kingdom of God talked about in the entire bible is not talking of heaven the throne of God but the earth. a renewed earth where God reigns sovereign just like he is reigning in heaven now and that is the essence of Mathew 6:10.

EMILO2STAY
I never said any one is going to heaven [/b]your error is thinking the kingdom of heaven mentioned in the scriptures i is talking of heaven the throne of God.


[b]EMILO2STAY:
check very well ,I never claimed that 144,000 will go to heaven. my stance on this is that the saved will inherit the new earth

My Brother, MaxInDHouse shebi you are seeing something in the highlighted from this Emilo posts.



The same man wey say JWs no understand Bible he can't fathom that Jesus Christ at Matthew 5:5 referenced the renewed earth as the inheritance of the righteous meek , Revelation 21:1-5 & Psalm 37:29

Janosky:


My Brother, MaxInDHouse shebi you are seeing something in the highlighted from this Emilo posts.



The same man wey say JWs no understand Bible he can't fathom that Jesus Christ at Matthew 5:5 referenced the renewed earth as the inheritance of the righteous meek , Revelation 21:1-5 & Psalm 37:29