Janosky:


1 Corinthians7:1-2 & Matthew 19:4-6,Did God forbid marriage?
No !

But,James 4:4, Jeremiah 2:2 ,Ezekiel 16:32, did God equate idolatry, defilement with the world as sexual immorality?
Yes !
In that sense, the 144000 are virgins.

James 4:4
"Adulterers and adultresses , do you not know that friendship with the world is enemity with God?"

Jeremiah 2:2
"Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: 'I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown.

Ezekiel 16:32
"You adulterous wife! You receive strangers instead of your own husband"


Revelation 14:1-4 is saying that the 144000 have NOT defiled themselves with women (sexual immorality with women they are not married to ) & spiritual defilement with the scarlet colour Woman riding atop the wild beast nor the world's political system, John 17:16.

Dear friend, stop being unreasonable, Revelation 14:4 is pretty clear. Don’t add your own religious doctrines to it so you don't perish at the end.

Jesus had already said that saying is not for everyone bc some will not marry bc of heaven. The 144000 didn’t marry for heaven’s sake and they’re not everyone. They’re different.

Save your soul from the shackle of religious indoctrination so you might see clearly.

MaxInDHouse:
Faithless miscreant, those are illustrations not literal words!

If you want to know the meaning all you need to do is ask for a free home Bible study with JWs and we will TEACH you.

If they (JW) are all like you; unrefined like you, then I’d never listen to JW member in my life. In fact if you’re a true example of JW, with your unpolished language, I’d rather be an unbeliever than join your organization.

However, what you’re saying shows a lack of understanding dear friend. Whether you accept it or not is your decision but the fact is evident.

Techobeys:
Has it ever crossed your mind that JW might be totally wrong on the subject?

Ọmọ it's not by force to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses nobody is compelled to worship our God all we have to do is search for our kind out there and bring them in {Matthew 10:6} so if the organization is not appealing to you go and worship elsewhere!

Techobeys:

If they (JW) are all like you; unrefined like you, then I’d never listen to JW member in my life. In fact if you’re a true example of JW, with your unpolished language, I’d rather be an unbeliever than join your organization. However, what you’re saying shows a lack of understanding dear friend. Whether you accept it or not is your decision but the fact is evident.

Janosky:

My Brother, MaxInDHouse shebi you are seeing something in the highlighted from this Emilo posts.

The same man wey say JWs no understand Bible he can't fathom that Jesus Christ at Matthew 5:5 referenced the renewed earth as the inheritance of the righteous meek , Revelation 21:1-5 & Psalm 37:29

What really amuses me is how they're troubled at the mention of JWs yet they won't walk away, there are thousands of religions out there claiming they're the only true religion but because they people knew there's nothing tangible in their teachings they don't bother questioning them, it's Jehovah's Witnesses they want at all cost and their brains isn't telling them that if they're always thinking about JWs something is wrong somewhere! Matthew 5:14-16

Janosky:


Did your own Bible begin at Revelation 7 verse 9 & ended in verse 11?
No !

Sitting on throne signify rulership? Yes
Did your Bible say the Multitudes were in heaven?
No !

Did your Bible says the Multitude were sitting on the throne?
No!
Jesus said the 144000 were his co-rulers,, Priests &kings, Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6.


You desperately cleave to Revelation 7:9-11 to base your doctrine whereas 1 Chronicles 29:23 and Revelation 7:9-11 is strictly about the same throne of God.

King Solomon sitting on God's throne is strong evidence that the Multitudes "standing before the throne" does NOT IN ANYWAY validate your claim about Revelation 7:9-11.

Exactly like Muslim You never cease to amuse me by your evasive manoeuvres.


Can you confirm that according to Rev7:9-11 that the THRONE here is on EARTH?

And therefore,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH


Where is the LOCATION of this THRONE according to Rev7:9-11

MaxInDHouse:
This your childish stuff always amuses me!
If you don't agree with what someone says why not find others who may agree with you?

Ọmọ God's throne in that context simply means God's presence so whether you like it or not the interpretation is that the 144,000 will rule with the Christ in heaven while all their subjects will live on planet earth.

So it's either you BOW to our teaching or go and find those that will tell you what you want to hear, jWs have spoken!

You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?


Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

TenQ:
■ Exactly like Muslim You never cease to amuse me by your evasive manoeuvres.
Can you confirm that according to Rev7:9-11 that the THRONE here is on EARTH?

And therefore,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH

Where is the LOCATION of this THRONE according to Rev7:9-11

Not trying to hold brief for the other, but both 144,000 and the multitude stood before God's throne right here on earth — none of them were in heaven at the time described by John in Revelations 7, and yes, at the time of the resurrection, God's throne will be visible from right here on earth. John reveals that He will be worshipped from right here on earth, day and night by the multitude.

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for the other, but both 144,000 and the multitude stood before God's throne right here on earth — none of them were in heaven at the time described by John in Revelations 7, and yes, at the time of the resurrection, God's throne will be visible from right here on earth. John reveals that He will be worshipped from right here on earth, day and night by the multitude.

Can you therefore confirm and concur that around this throne,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH

It think the book Bible was clear on the location of the throne

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

TenQ:
Can you therefore confirm and concur that around this throne,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH

Well, can you at least explain why you assume all 4 have to be on earth because they were written as standing around the throne of God given that the throne itself is not on earth?

Kobojunkie:
Well, can you at least explain why you assume all 4 have to be on earth because they were written as standing around the throne of God given that the throne itself is not on earth?

I never assumed that the throne is on earth o. It's the JW followers who want to reinterpret scriptures to fit their doctrines .

It think the Bible was clear on the location of the throne

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."

TenQ:
■ It think the Bible was clear on the location of the throne
■ Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."■

1. OK. So can you please respond to my question then?

2. Revelations 15 should provide you with the answer you need to this.

Kobojunkie:
1. OK. So can you please respond to my question then?

2. Revelations 15 should provide you with the answer you need to this.

Are you discarding the statements of both scriptures below about the location of the throne?

Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."



Revelation 15 also concur that the throne is in heaven

Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Nowhere was the earth referenced in Rev 15

TenQ:
■ Are you discarding the statements of both scriptures below about the location of the throne?
Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."
Revelation 15 also concur that the throne is in heaven
Rev 15:1 "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"
Nowhere was the earth referenced in Rev 15

The reason why John described one temple as being in heaven while he made no such reference of the kind as far as the other is probably because the one is the temple here on earth which God intends to have rebuilt during the resurrection whereas the other, the temple in Heaven is a reference to another temple which is located in heaven.

Kobojunkie:
The reason why John described one temple as being in heaven while he made no such reference of the kind as far as the other is probably because the one is the temple here on earth which God intends to have rebuilt during the resurrection whereas the other, the temple in Heaven is a reference to another temple which is located in heaven.

Why is it difficult to adopt exactly what the scriptures say clearly. All I see is you trying to fit the bible into your doctrine.

The book of John had been consistent that both the temple and the throne are in heaven.

Moreover, the final nail on this coffin

Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

No temple sir

TenQ:
■ Why is it difficult to adopt exactly what the scriptures say clearly. All I see is you trying to fit the bible into your doctrine.
■ The book of John had been consistent that both the temple and the throne are in heaven. Moreover, the final nail on this coffin
Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth Rev 21:22: "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." No temple sir

1. I am afraid I don't follow.

2. John never said that. You are the one assuming that every mention of the word temple in the book of Revelation is a reference to the temple in heaven when instead, John makes a concerted effort to set apart the temple in Heaven from the other references to a temple in his book. For example, the first couple of references to the temple in Revelation 11 does not mention them as being in heaven. However, later on in the chapter, John introduces the temple in heaven, as though a different temple from the one he had been caused to measure earlier on in that same chapter.

1. Then I was given a measuring rod as long as a walking stick. I was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the people worshiping there.
2 But don’t measure the yard outside the temple. Leave it alone. It has been given to those who are not God’s people. They will show their power over the holy city for 42 months.
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses. And they will prophesy for 1260 days. They will be dressed in sackcloth.” - Revelation 11 vs 1 - 3

The temple written of above is definitely not in Heaven. I do hope you can see this.

19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened. The Box of the Agreement[b] could be seen in his temple. Then there were flashes of lightning, noises, thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm. - Revelations 11 vs 19

This is from the same chapter indicating that this particular temple is in heaven.

Janosky:

Yes, the 144000 are the first fruits, according to the holy Bible.
Did your own Bible says other fruits went to heaven?
Oga, show that chapter and verse.

Otherwise, you are adding to the holy scriptures.

If there are 'First fruits', then, there'll be a second. You're the one saying what the Bible didn't say. Don't you know the meaning of firstfruits? Perhaps, you may ask a farmer. Remember that the terminology in Revelation is all about harvest. 'Thrust in thy sickle, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.'
Also, to what purpose is the everlasting gospel in verse 6?

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid I don't follow.

2. John never said that. You are the one assuming that every mention of the word temple in the book of Revelation is a reference to the temple in heaven when instead, John makes a concerted effort to set apart the temple in Heaven from the other references to a temple in his book. For example, the first couple of references to the temple in Revelation 11 does not mention them as being in heaven. However, later on in the chapter, John introduces the temple in heaven, as though a different temple from the one he had been caused to measure earlier on in that same chapter.

I think by the scriptures I've made my case.

The new Jerusalem contain no temple whatsoever. All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

No temple sir

TenQ:
I think by the scriptures I've made my case. The new Jerusalem contain no temple whatsoever. All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven. As a reference again,
Rev 4:2: "And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"

I believe it is indeed very wrong to only pick verses that seem to support your idea while abandoning those that prove otherwise...

Again, John never said that. You are the one assuming that every mention of the word temple in the book of Revelation is a reference to the temple in heaven when instead, John makes a concerted effort to set apart the temple in Heaven from the other references to a temple in his book. For example, the first couple of references to the temple in Revelation 11 does not mention them as being in heaven. However, later on in the chapter, John introduces the temple in heaven, as though a different temple from the one he had been caused to measure earlier on in that same chapter.

1. Then I was given a measuring rod as long as a walking stick. I was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the people worshiping there.
2 But don’t measure the yard outside the temple. Leave it alone. It has been given to those who are not God’s people. They will show their power over the holy city for 42 months.
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses. And they will prophesy for 1260 days. They will be dressed in sackcloth.” - Revelation 11 vs 1 - 3

The temple written of above is definitely not in Heaven. I do hope you can see this.

19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened. The Box of the Agreement[b] could be seen in his temple. Then there were flashes of lightning, noises, thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm. - Revelations 11 vs 19

This is from the same chapter indicating that this particular temple is in heaven.

The reference to the temple in Revelations 7 does not in fact indicate that the temple in question is in heaven, so it is wrong to assume that it is simply because some verses reference to a temple of God in heaven.

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for the other, but both 144,000 and the multitude stood before God's throne right here on earth — none of them were in heaven at the time described by John in Revelations 7, and yes, at the time of the resurrection, God's throne will be visible from right here on earth. John reveals that He will be worshipped from right here on earth, day and night by the multitude.

Hahahaha!

So, you read the Book of Revelation too? Wonders shall never end. Wolf in sheep clothing who says he doesn't believe other parts of the new testament except the gosepels.

Kobojunkie:
I believe it is indeed very wrong to only pick verses that seem to support your idea while abandoning those that prove otherwise...

Again, John never said that. You are the one assuming that every mention of the word temple in the book of Revelation is a reference to the temple in heaven when instead, John makes a concerted effort to set apart the temple in Heaven from the other references to a temple in his book. For example, the first couple of references to the temple in Revelation 11 does not mention them as being in heaven. However, later on in the chapter, John introduces the temple in heaven, as though a different temple from the one he had been caused to measure earlier on in that same chapter.
The temple written of above is definitely not in Heaven. I do hope you can see this.
This is from the same chapter indicating that this particular temple is in heaven.

The reference to the temple in Revelations 7 does not in fact indicate that the temple in question is in heaven, so it is wrong to assume that it is simply because some verses reference to a temple of God in heaven.

The temple in Rev 11 is definitely on earth before the end of the tribulation period. I am sure you'll agree with me that this temple is NOT the one surrounded by the Four BEASTS, the 24 Elders, the 144,000 and the Multitudes. If you think it is, be my guest by proving it.

All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

No temple here

TenQ:
■ The temple in Rev 11 is definitely on earth before the end of the tribulation period.
■ I am sure you'll agree with me that this temple is NOT the one surrounded by the Four BEASTS, the 24 Elders, the 144,000 and the Multitudes. If you think it is, be my guest by proving it.

1. Most every reference to the heavenly temple has it referenced as the temple in heaven meaning the other references that do not include such specification are more than likely to the other temple where is down here on earth.

2. A temple surrounded by 4 beasts, 24 elders, and the 144,000 and the multitudes? Where is this written?

emerged01:
Is it misconception to believe that all the people who believe in Jesus Christ will make Heaven?
According to JW,God selects a limited number of faithful Christians who, after their death, will be resurrected to life in heaven. (1 Peter 1:3, 4) Once they have been chosen, they must continue to maintain a Christian standard of faith and conduct in order not to be disqualified from receiving their heavenly inheritance.—Ephesians 5:5; Philippians 3:12-14.

Those who will make heaven cannot be numbered. And it's available for everyone who believes in Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

But more people will go to hell.

OtemSapien:
No, millions, if not billions will make heaven except if they don't want to be their due to its boredom.

There is no boredom in heaven. Heaven is full of life and excitement. It's the best place to be.

capitalzero:


no. billions will live forever on Earth because Earth not heaven has been given to sons of men.

One of the lies of Jehovah Witness organization designed to lure people away from the truth of God's word.

obinna58:
Bible is just a fabrication lies and history
No one is going to hell or heaven after death

You will believe when you get to hell. But it will be too late for you to repent.

akeensbussy:
Heaven and Hell : either Everybody is going there or nobody is going there...but one thing I no be say na hell sure pass for everybody....According to the bible.

Our righteousness is like a filthy Rag before him (God).

Our sins have been washed in the blood of the lamb of God. You are living in the past. Receive Jesus and get washed in his blood.

Kobojunkie:
1. Most every reference to the heavenly temple has it referenced as the temple in heaven meaning the other references that do not include such specification are more than likely to the other temple where is down here on earth.

2. A temple surrounded by 4 beasts, 24 elders, and the 144,000 and the multitudes? Where is this written?

Not temple but throne in the temple

TenQ:

Not temple but throne in the temple

This is what God said through His prophet.

1. This is what the Lord says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is where I rest my feet. So do you think you can build a house for me? Do I need a place to rest?
2 I am the one who made all things. They are all here because I made them,” says the Lord. “These are the people I care for: the poor, humble people who obey my commands. - Isaiah 66 vs 1 - 2

Now, try to picture what it could mean for it to be possible to be standing right here on earth and be in front of the throne of God's in Heaven.

TenQ:

You fake doctrine cannot withstand any iota of inquisition or questioning: can you see how simple bible truths turn you into jellyfish?
Doesn't the scripture tell us exactly where this THRONE is
Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."
Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."
Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

Ọmọ for now God's presence is not everywhere!
It's after all evildoers are exterminated that Jehovah will be present everywhere.

As for your opinion it doesn't count on this matter if you don't agree with JWs go and find a better performing group to TEACH you what you want to hear! 2Timothy 4:3-4

Ken4Christ:


You will believe when you get to hell. But it will be too late for you to repent.

I have my hell too and you’re going there when you die

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ for now God's presence is not everywhere!
It's after all evildoers are exterminated that Jehovah will be present everywhere.

As for your opinion it doesn't count on this matter if you don't agree with JWs go and find a better performing group to TEACH you what you want to hear! 2Timothy 4:3-4

I can understand that your god's prescience is not everywhere. That is why I asked you the very simple question

Is the throne of God in Heaven or On Earth According to Rev 4 and Rev 16?

Kobojunkie:
This is what God said through His prophet.
Now, try to picture what it could mean for it to be possible to be standing right here on earth and be in front of the throne of God's in Heaven.

Don't twist scriptures my dear!
Isaiah 66 vs 1 - 2 is still saying the same thing: the THRONE of God is in Heaven not here on earth.

All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

No temple here