TenQ:

Since Gods presence is EVERYWHERE and by your JW doctrine the Throne is NOT literal, where did you come up with the idea that only the 144,000 will be (specifically) in heaven?

TenQ:

I can understand that your god's prescience is not everywhere. That is why I asked you the very simple question

Is the throne of God in Heaven or On Earth According to Rev 4 and Rev 16?

MaxInDHouse:




I will like others to learn from the highlighted!

In the beginning God created Adam and Eve but this two as a couple needs their privacy so God doesn't pay attention to them always after all they've been given FREEWILL that's why God could ask Cain "where is your brother?" {Genesis 4:9} after man's rebellion God's attention was taken away from mankind in general because their deeds saddens Him each day {Genesis 6:5-6} our happy God {1Timothy 1:11} can't withstand the evil done by humans to their neighbours {Habakkuk 1:13} that's why He empowered some angels with spiritual eyes all over their bodies {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones reporting to Him when a person decides to make a U-turn and start doing what is good, so when people are doing evil things don't think my God is present there it's only His eyes (angels serving as investigators) that are moving everywhere to report back to Him when man's evil deeds is getting out of hand! Genesis 18:20-21


But when all evildoers has been exterminated God will be present both in heaven with Jesus and his 144,000 co-rulers as well as on earth with the great crowd worshiping Him night and day.
As at that time if anyone choose to be wicked our God will permit him or her to taste life in Paradise for just a hundred years and they will die as youths! Isaiah 65:20

God's throne in that context means God's PRESENCE!

emerged01:
Is it misconception to believe that all the people who believe in Jesus Christ will make Heaven?
According to JW,God selects a limited number of faithful Christians who, after their death, will be resurrected to life in heaven. (1 Peter 1:3, 4) Once they have been chosen, they must continue to maintain a Christian standard of faith and conduct in order not to be disqualified from receiving their heavenly inheritance.—Ephesians 5:5; Philippians 3:12-14.

MrPRevailer:
■The 144,000 Jews are the chosen remanants that God will hide in the wilderness from the Antichrist in the time of the Great Tribulation or Jacob's trouble.
■JW, Romans Catholism, Mormonism are false/counterfeit Christian religions

TenQ:

I know that you are completely brainwashed: that was why the question was phrased as such, knowing that you will go tangent as usual.

MrPRevailer:

The 144,000 Jews are the chosen remanants that God will hide in the wilderness from the Antichrist in the time of the Great Tribulation or Jacob's trouble.
JW, Romans Catholism, Mormonism are false/counterfeit Christian religions

MaxInDHouse:


Why not go and associate with those who are not brainwashed?
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have spoken so it's either you take it or leave it there's no force in faith!

TenQ:

When people twist the clear scripture to say what humans will to say, we can at best show them the scripture even when we know that they wouldn't listen because they are already in the cage of Satan!

TenQ:

Exactly like Muslim You never cease to amuse me by your evasive manoeuvres.


Can you confirm that according to Rev7:9-11 that the THRONE here is on EARTH?

And therefore,
1. The LAMB was here on EARTH and
2. The Angels were here on EARTH and
3. The Elders were here on EARTH and
4. The Four Beasts were here on EARTH


Where is the LOCATION of this THRONE according to Rev7:9-11

The location of God's throne is in heaven, the Very throne king Solomon sits ,1 Chronicles 29:23.


You are desperate to claim the multitude were in heaven but 1 Chronicles 29:23 burst your delusion.


For the same reason that Psalm 95:6 & Ephesians 3:14 burst your delusion.

Do you agree that Paul was in heaven bowing to the Father?
Or David was in heaven bowing down and worship Jehovah?


Max was right to explain to you that "standing before the throne" meaning in God's presence because @ Revelation 21:3 God himself will be with men (residing in the new earth ) because they are in His presence not seeing God face to face .

@ Revelation 21:3-5 Is God dwelling on earth when God removes sickness, mourning and pain?

This screenshot here says it all.

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for the other, but both 144,000 and the multitude stood before God's throne right here on earth — none of them were in heaven at the time described by John in Revelations 7, and yes, at the time of the resurrection, God's throne will be visible from right here on earth. John reveals that He will be worshipped from right here on earth, day and night by the multitude.

MrPRevailer:

The 144,000 Jews are the chosen remanants that God will hide in the wilderness from the Antichrist in the time of the Great Tribulation or Jacob's trouble.

JW, Romans Catholism, Mormonism are false/counterfeit Christian religions

MaxInDHouse:




I will like others to learn from the highlighted!

In the beginning God created Adam and Eve but this two as a couple needs their privacy so God doesn't pay attention to them always after all they've been given FREEWILL that's why God could ask Cain "where is your brother?" {Genesis 4:9} after man's rebellion God's attention was taken away from mankind in general because their deeds saddens Him each day {Genesis 6:5-6} our happy God {1Timothy 1:11} can't withstand the evil done by humans to their neighbours {Habakkuk 1:13} that's why He empowered some angels with spiritual eyes all over their bodies {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones reporting to Him when a person decides to make a U-turn and start doing what is good, so when people are doing evil things don't think my God is present there it's only His eyes (angels serving as investigators) that are moving everywhere to report back to Him when man's evil deeds is getting out of hand! Genesis 18:20-21


But when all evildoers has been exterminated God will be present both in heaven with Jesus and his 144,000 co-rulers as well as on earth with the great crowd worshiping Him night and day.
As at that time if anyone choose to be wicked our God will permit him or her to taste life in Paradise for just a hundred years and they will die as youths! Isaiah 65:20

God's throne in that context means God's PRESENCE!

Janosky:
1 Chronicles 29:23 was God's throne visible on earth when King Solomon sat on it?

21 The next day the people offered sacrifices and burnt offerings to the Lord—1000 bulls, 1000 rams, 1000 lambs, and the drink offerings that go with them. They offered these and many other sacrifices to the Lord for all the Israelites.
22 That day the people were very happy as they ate and drank there together with the Lord. And they made David’s son Solomon king the second time. They anointed Solomon to be king, and they anointed Zadok to be priest. They did this in the place where the Lord was.
23 Then Solomon sat on the Lord’s throne as king. Solomon took his father’s place. He was very successful. All the Israelites obeyed him.
24 All the leaders, soldiers, and all of King David’s sons accepted Solomon as king and obeyed him.
25 The Lord made Solomon very great. All the Israelites knew that the Lord was making him great. He gave Solomon the honor that a king should have. No king in Israel before Solomon had such honor. - 1 Chronicle 29 vs 21 - 25

TenQ:


Don't twist scriptures my dear!
Isaiah 66 vs 1 - 2 is still saying the same thing: the THRONE of God is in Heaven not here on earth.

All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven.

As a reference again,


Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."


Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done."


Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"


Speaking about the New Jerusalem on earth

Rev 21:22:
"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

No temple here

Everyone on earth,as it were, are "standing before God's throne".

A throne is always on elevated platform above all other objects, and seats or persons around it, that's the imagery Isaiah 66:1-2.

Revelation 7:9-10 says the Multitude are "of all nations, kindred and languages."

Is this truth not simple and straightforward for your grasp?

Techobeys:


Dear friend, stop being unreasonable, Revelation 14:4 is pretty clear. Don’t add your own religious doctrines to it so you don't perish at the end.

Jesus had already said that saying is not for everyone bc some will not marry bc of heaven. The 144000 didn’t marry for heaven’s sake and they’re not everyone. They’re different.

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Techobeys:

Save your soul from the shackle of religious indoctrination so you might see clearly.

Please, remove the rafters in your eyes.

If Jesus gospel of Matthew 11:11 and John 3:13 is "indoctrination" in your eyes, please stick to your delusion.

FxMasterz:


If there are 'First fruits', then, there'll be a second. You're the one saying what the Bible didn't say. Don't you know the meaning of firstfruits? Perhaps, you may ask a farmer. Remember that the terminology in Revelation is all about harvest. 'Thrust in thy sickle, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.'
Also, to what purpose is the everlasting gospel in verse 6?

Revelation 21:1-5 = Matthew 5:3,5.
Oga, go and delete Revelation chapter 21:1-5 nau

Kobojunkie:
This is what God said through His prophet.
Now, try to picture what it could mean for it to be possible to be standing right here on earth and be in front of the throne of God's in Heaven.

TenQ:
■Don't twist scriptures my dear! Isaiah 66 vs 1 - 2 is still saying the same thing: the THRONE of God is in Heaven not here on earth.
■All the references to the throne of God in His temple are in heaven. As a reference again,Rev 4:2:
"And immediately I was in the Spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."
Rev 16:17:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Rev 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:"

17 The Lord says, “These are the people who wash themselves and make themselves pure so that they can go into their special gardens[b] to worship their idols. They follow each other into the gardens to eat meat from pigs, rats, and other dirty things. But they will all be destroyed together.
18 “They have evil thoughts and do evil things, so I am coming to punish them. I will gather all nations and all people. Everyone will be gathered together to see my Glory.
19 I will put a mark on some of the people. I will send some of these saved people to the nations of Tarshish, Libya,[d] Lud[e] (the land of archers), Tubal,[f] Greece, and all the faraway lands. Those people have never heard my teachings. They have never seen my Glory. So the saved people will tell the nations about my glory.
20 And they will bring all your brothers and sisters from those other nations to my holy mountain Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord. Your brothers and sisters will ride on horses, mules, camels, and in chariots and wagons. They will be like the gifts that the Israelites bring on clean plates to the Temple of the Lord.
21 I will also choose some of these people to be priests and Levites.” The Lord himself said this. - Isaiah 66 vs 18 - 21

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, conveniently omitting/ignoring all references that clearly tell a different story from that which you wish to perpetuate is the same as twisting scripture.
Above, the passage from the book of Isaiah references the same group of people written about in John's Revelation 7. The Specially marked people are the 144,000 that were sealed by God to go gather back to His holy mountain in Jerusalem, their brothers and sisters from every tribe, every tongue, and every nation of the earth — the multitude dressed in white. And as you can clearly see from the above passage, they will be brought to God's Holy temple in Jerusalem.

2. The Throne of God in Heaven is not in His temple in Heaven. I believe it is written somewhere in the Old Covenant that God designed His temple on earth as a replica of the one in Heaven. And if you clearly read through Isaiah, you will find that God speaks at length of restoring His Holy Jerusalem here on earth in order to clear His name. The restoration of Jerusalem has always been tied with the restoration of the temple in Jerusalem, God's Holy temple here on earth.

By the way, even the throne in Jerusalem belongs to the King of the Jews, and you can guess who that is. However, the throne has been placed inside the temple. Not here on earth and certainly not in Heaven.

Janosky:


Did your own Bible begin at Revelation 7 verse 9 & ended in verse 11?
No !

Sitting on throne signify rulership? Yes
Did your Bible say the Multitudes were in heaven?
No !

Did your Bible says the Multitude were sitting on the throne?
No!
Jesus said the 144000 were his co-rulers,, Priests &kings, Revelation 5:10 & Revelation 1:5-6.


You desperately cleave to Revelation 7:9-11 to base your doctrine whereas 1 Chronicles 29:23 and Revelation 7:9-11 is strictly about the same throne of God.

King Solomon sitting on God's throne is strong evidence that the Multitudes "standing before the throne" does NOT IN ANYWAY validate your claim about Revelation 7:9-11.

TenQ:

When people twist the clear scripture to say what humans will to say, we can at best show them the scripture even when we know that they wouldn't listen because they are already in the cage of Satan!

MaxInDHouse:


Is that not why i told you to leave those in Satan's cage so you can go and worship with those in your god's cage?

Janosky:


Everyone on earth,as it were, are "standing before God's throne".

A throne is always on elevated platform above all other objects, and seats or persons around it, that's the imagery Isaiah 66:1-2.

Revelation 7:9-10 says the Multitude are "of all nations, kindred and languages."

Is this truth not simple and straightforward for your grasp?

Ken4Christ:
■ The scripture is so simple but you make it look complicated because you don't want to accept anything that contradicts your opinions. The kingdom of heaven is for every Believers in Christ. It's not limited to 144,000.
■ The 144,000 are the elect Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24. They will not be affected by the the great tribulation that will befall the Jews. They will be raptured before the second coming of Christ.
■ The present church has two badges that will make heaven. The first badge are the four beast before the throne of God. The second badge which could not be numbered are the ones that will go through great tribulation. These are the ones John saw in Revelation 7.9-17.

TenQ:

SMH!
Go find Christ while He's still near!

MaxInDHouse:
There are many Christs {Matthew 24:24} and i have chosen mine go and choose yours!

TenQ:

...And everyone is standing beside the four BEASTS and the 24 Elders and before the THRONE!

I shake my head in amazement : what has Satan given you to eat!?

The issue with you is your love for arguments and tantrums when Bible truth is shown to you.

Revelation 4:1-3,6,10 CURES YOUR TANTRUMS.. .
The 24 elders are spirits in heaven.
Therefore, Isaiah 66:1-2 very correct, we on earth are ,as it were, "standing before God's throne".

Revelation 4:1-3,6,10 ,Oga read your Bible.
Note the highlighted points therein.
1After this I looked and saw a door standing open in heaven

Janosky:


The issue with you is your love for arguments and tantrums when Bible truth is shown to you.

Revelation 4:1-3,6,10 CURES YOUR TANTRUMS.. .
The 24 elders are spirits in heaven.
Therefore, Isaiah 66:1-2 very correct, we on earth are ,as it were, "standing before God's throne".

Revelation 4:1-3,6,10 ,Oga read your Bible.
Note the highlighted points therein.
1After this I looked and saw a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had previously heard speak to me like a trumpet was saying, “Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.”

2At once I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne standing in heaven, with someone seated on it. 3The One seated there looked like jasper and carnelian, and a rainbow that gleamed like an emerald encircled the throne. 4Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and on these thrones sat twenty-four elders dressed in white, with golden crowns on their heads.


5From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder. Before the throne burned seven torches of fire. These are the seven Spirits of God. 6And before the throne was something like a sea of glass, as clear as crystal.


In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, covered with eyes in front and back.

10the twenty-four elders fall down before the One seated on the throne, and they worship Him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying:

TenQ:

I knew it: You chose your own Christ which is unfortunate.
The Lord Jesus Christ chose me Himself for Himself. It's a pity we are different in that respect.
2Ths 2:13:
"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brothers beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry i choose my own!
Many are awaiting another Christ but i chose Jesus of Nazareth as Christ.
So go worship with your fellow worshipers chosen by your Christ!

TenQ:

You and I know that you chose an angel Michael as your own Jesus of Nazareth. It doesn't change anything though as you are free to choose even your governor as him.
Too bad for you